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kicker_f1
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7/04
Posted - Aug 25 2005 : 1:20AM
Does anybody know what are the differences between a SATA and a IDE Hard Drive also known as IDE hard drives. I understand the physical differences (SATA with a serial cable) but what about performance? why is SATA so popular today?

Anybody in here has a SATA drive?

Thanks for reading.

CG_Gurl80
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Posted - Aug 25 2005 : 4:23AM
SATA hard drives are superior to ATA drives for numerous reasons.

For one, they are easier to install and draw less power. They have several performance benefits as well. For example, ATA drives data transfer rate is capped at 133 MB/sec whereas SATA drives can kick in at over 300 MB/sec.

Another performance benefit found on SATA drives is their built-in hot-swap capabilities. SATA drives can be brought on and offline without shutting down the computer system, providing a serious benefit to those who can’t afford downtime, or who want to move drives in and out of operation quickly. The higher number of wires in the power connection is partially explained by this, as six of the fifteen wires are dedicated to allowing the hot-swap feature.

Comparing ATA drives to SATA drives can be tricky given all of the variables, but in general it is the case that SATA drives will still cost just a bit more than a comparable ATA drive. The gap is closing rapidly though, and as SATA drives gain in popularity and availability a distinct shift in prices can be expected. Considering the benefits of SATA over ATA, the potential difference of a few dollars can easily be justified when considering an upgrade.

The current SATA standard provides significant benefits over ATA in terms of convenience, power consumption and, most importantly, performance. The main thing ATA has going for it right now is history, as it has been the standard for so long that it will not likely disappear any time soon. The future of SATA will be even more interesting as speed increases will help hard drive development keep pace with other key system components.

I have a SATA drive and it absolutely outperforms other comps that I work on that have ATA.

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Posted - Aug 25 2005 : 4:29AM
I bought one to record music data onto, as high transfer rates are absolutely critical when recording and playing back large WAV files.

My Gigabyte motherboard had no problem recognizing it.

Hurrab
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Posted - Aug 25 2005 : 4:35AM
So... anybody into SCSI anymore?

licker
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Posted - Aug 25 2005 : 6:21AM
F*@# @#$#$@ing SCSI! Spit, puke, fume!
 
oatmeal
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Posted - Aug 25 2005 : 7:14AM
Do I have to point out that SCSI is a four letter word?
Hurrab
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Posted - Aug 25 2005 : 7:37AM
Just for the "fun" of it, I looked up SCSI, and it turns out that there are multiple SCSI standards.. I only knew about a few of them:

SCSI-1, SCSI-2, Wide SCSI, Fast SCSI, Fast Wide SCSI, Ultra SCSI, SCSI-3 (aka Ultra Wide SCSI), Ultra2 SCSI and Wide Ultra2 SCSI.

Drew Black
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Posted - Aug 25 2005 : 9:56AM
I do. All of the servers we have run SCSI hardware RAID. The database server has two U320 arrays on it. I wonder how they compare to SATA?
GaySatyr
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Posted - Aug 25 2005 : 10:01AM
Actually, with SATA-150 and IDE-100/133, there is little to no difference in performance or power consumption. The differences are more individual drive characteristics than interface parameters. However, as the SATA standard evolves, it is becoming significantly better in terms of performance. SATA-300, the most up-to-date version, represents a 25-30% improvement over both the earlier standards. Power consumption depends on drive motor, platters, etc, and is not significantly different when comparing drives of similar size and capacity.

~ GaySatyr (ABB)

GaySatyr
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Posted - Aug 25 2005 : 10:04AM
Drew, current SATA models are not built to handle the "abuse" thrown at SCSI drives; however, as SATA-300 v2.5 is implemented, that will change.

~ GaySatyr (ABB)

jamesn
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Cambridge, MA
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1/04
Posted - Aug 25 2005 : 10:12AM
you won't notice much of a benefit from stuff like NCQ, even if your motherboard supports it, the nice part is you don't have to deal with jumpers.

the downside is the fucking cables are hard to keep connected.

they don't make a sata drive to the quality specs of most of the scsi's--they're still consumer products in terms of mtbf, etc.

licker
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Posted - Aug 25 2005 : 10:16AM
Considering how reliable ADT has been since I joined, I'm really impressed.
Drew Black
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Posted - Aug 25 2005 : 10:48AM
We learned early in ADT's life that hard drives are cheaper than downtime. All of our servers have hardware RAID arrays with hot spares installed. We would have to have three drives fail in an array before the server would go offline.
EL_
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Posted - Aug 25 2005 : 2:46PM
get a sataII drive so you are future proof for a little bit.
kicker_f1
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7/04
Posted - Aug 25 2005 : 9:28PM
Ok guys I have 3 choices here, please help me decide.

1 - Serial ATA Hard Drive
8.9ms Seek Time, 7200 rpm
8MB Buffer, 150MB/SEC
250 GB
WD2500JDRTL 250

139.99+11.55 taxes = 151.54 - 50 Mail-in-rebate = 101.54

2 - Ultra DMA100 Retail Kit
Hard Drive, 8MG Buffer;
7200 rpm, ST32008xxA
200 GB

99.99+8.25 taxes = 108.24 - 50 MIB = 58.24

3 - Ultra DMA/100 Hard Drive
8.9MS Seek Time, 7200 rpm
8MB Buffer, Retail Kit
WD2500JBRTL 250 GB

119.99+9.9 Taxes = 129.89 - 50 MIB = 79.89

Please help me decide.

I have a 200 GB Seagate already on my computer and a 80 GB too but I want to get rid of the 80 and swap in either a 200 or 250 from the choices above. I have money for the Sata but I wouldn't get it if the improvements are minimal. So please advice me because my life depends on it :D

 
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Posted - Aug 25 2005 : 10:30PM
You haven't told us what you're going to use the drive for yet. If whatever it is doesn't tax the hard drive then there's no point spending the extra money for speed.
kicker_f1
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USA
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7/04
Posted - Aug 26 2005 : 12:38AM
I don't do anything to excessive. Just a little bit of gaming, lots of downloading (mp3, movies, etc), a whole lot of web browsing, video/mp3/dvd movies playback every now and then, some office work, and that's about it basically.

You think think I should save get the IDE instead of the Sata and save that money on memory chips? coz I'm planning on upgrading my memory from pc2100 to pc3200.

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Posted - Aug 26 2005 : 1:01AM
If you're satisfied with the way the drive you have now performs and just want more capacity, then I don't see why you should spend extra for better performance.
cv
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Posted - Aug 26 2005 : 1:15AM
Hardware's right. It sounds like you're not going to be doing anything that demands great disk performance.

Of the three you listed, I'd pick the Seagate, mostly because of my personal experiences with the major drive brands.

Take the money saved and sink it into more memory. You can never really have too much RAM.

kicker_f1
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USA
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7/04
Posted - Aug 26 2005 : 1:28AM
Thank you guys I think I would get the 250 GB WD and return the other twos :) they're in top shape believe me! I haven't even opened them.
kicker_f1
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USA
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Posted - Aug 26 2005 : 1:37AM
Giving more thoughts about it I think I might even return them all tomorrow, considering how prices have dropped down in the past several weeks/months.

I just checked my computer and I have enough juice to survive a couple of months say 3-5 months maybe more. I still have 121.9 GB available out of the 268.26 GB. I could have more free space if I were not running GoBack and I think that's taking quite a bit of space.

So I would probably wait a couple of months and see how low the 300-400 GB Hard drives would be :)

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Posted - Aug 26 2005 : 2:00AM
Unless you're keeping a whole lot of backup versions in GoBack I don't expect it's taking up very much of your hard drive. It doesn't make a copy of everything you have when it makes a backup, it just flags what's changed. Most files never do.
Drew Black
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Posted - Aug 26 2005 : 8:28AM
Does your motherboard actually change the memory access timing if you change modules?

How fast is your processor? If it's not screaming fast then I seriously doubt you'll notice any difference in performance between the two memory types when taking into consideration how you use your computer. If you were authoring DVDs or processing video files it might be a different story.

kicker_f1
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USA
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7/04
Posted - Aug 26 2005 : 3:34PM
I am planning on getting the a couple of XS corsair 1 GB (512 x 2) dual channel for my A7N8X motherboard. I'm running Athlon XP 2500+ and 768 MB of Pc2100 RAM. I always use a lot of programs at once and that's the main reason I wanna get more and faster memory and thus increased stability. My motherboard supports up to 400 MHz FSB.
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Posted - Aug 26 2005 : 6:36PM
More memory will help if you find that you're using all of your system's 768MB. However don't pay a huge premium for the faster RAM.
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