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dac
David Aaron Clark

Just another WKW wannabe
574 Posts
2/04
Posted - Nov 12 2005 : 11:20AM
How about "two wrongs don't make a right"?
TonyC
Comstock Films

2523 Posts
8/03
Posted - Nov 12 2005 : 12:21PM
Of course not, but as Ernest points out, when dealing with special populations, issues of "right" and "wrong" are not as important as education and effectiveness. Drug addicts shouldn't shoot drugs, but they do; in light of that, it might be more effective to talk about needle exchanges than "right" and "wrong". Bathhouse patrons shouldn't have anonymous, unprotected sex, but they do; so outreach focuses on moving from unprotected to protected.

Porn performers shouldn't do anything outside of the tested talent pool that puts them at risk for contracting HIV but they do. So now what? Looking at this one instance and saying "Shane shouldn't do that" just doesn't seem very meaningful in light of what sort of behavior is considered, if not reasonable and customary, at least commonplace.

(Now a confession of shocking naivete')

Back in the late nineties, I actually believed that once a performer was tested and entered the talent pool, he or she regarded that as some sort of sacred covenant. It was beyond my capacity to imagine that once a person had entered this 'circle of trust' (sorry, we watched Meet the Fockers last night) that they would do anything that might potentially put their fellow performers at risk. (You can stop sniggering.)

I have since been disabused of that misapprehension.

Whether or not adult performers are more or less likely than the public at large to engage in risky behavior, I can't say for certain. I can say that they most certainly are not a "sacred covenant", and throwing around nebulous terms like "right" and "wrong" when talking about off set or outside of the tested talent pool behavior is about as meaningful as theocons saying we shouldn't give out condoms because it encourages people to do things they "shouldn't" do. I'm sure it makes the theocons feel righteous to say it, but it doesn't save anybody.


Edited by - TonyC on 11/12/2005 4:10:43 PM

SpongeWorthy
Member

pacific NW
410 Posts
5/04
Posted - Nov 12 2005 : 4:22PM
So, performers want Shane to inform them that he has a relationship with an HIV+ woman but shouldn't the actresses who just worked with Shane tell their co-stars the next day they just shot a scene with him? And then etc, etc, etc. Where does it end?
Tyler Knight
Member

139 Posts
3/05
Posted - Nov 12 2005 : 4:30PM
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"So, performers want Shane to inform them that he has a relationship with an HIV+ woman but shouldn't the actresses who just worked with Shane tell their co-stars the next day they just shot a scene with him? And then etc, etc, etc. Where does it end?"

It ends quite easily with only one person taking himself out of the equation, and not performing.

 
jrv
Senior Member

1266 Posts
2/03
Posted - Nov 12 2005 : 5:14PM
I think we're trying to agree.

The industry still has guys of uncertain sexual orientation, and performers who travel to Eastern Europe to work bareback with others of uncertain (to them) testing.

On the other hand if Shane Diesel is monogamous with Jessica Dee, doesn't engage in any other risky behavior, and Jessica is being successfully treated, and they're using condoms – all very plausible – Shane may be a much safer bet than someone just off the plane back from Brazil or elsewhere.

It's unfortunate Shane didn't discuss this ahead of time, but I would not be at all surprised should the other talent conclude that if Shane is in a stable relationship with Jessica, and precautions and circumstances agree, he's a much safer bet than some other guy in an unstable relationship with whoever he shoots up with that night.

PS. The one scientific estimate of risk of “insertive” vs. “receptive” anal sex I've seen gives a eight times higher risk for the bottom than the top: Estimated per-act relative risk for a personal without HIV acquiring HIV based on sex act and condom use

Edited by - jrv on 11/12/2005 5:15:27 PM

Edited by - jrv on 11/12/2005 5:21:34 PM

SpongeWorthy
Member

pacific NW
410 Posts
5/04
Posted - Nov 12 2005 : 5:26PM
Yes, I agree with you but will he?
TonyC
Comstock Films

2523 Posts
8/03
Posted - Nov 12 2005 : 5:28PM
TonyC
Comstock Films

2523 Posts
8/03
Posted - Nov 12 2005 : 5:38PM
And what if Shane put out a statement giving his assurance that he is not engaged in any activities with Jessica that put him at a meaninfully heightened risk of HIV. No intercourse, gloves, etc.

What if his statement went on to say that without the earning power that working in front of the camera allows him, he and Jessica will no long be able to afford the medication that currently keeps her viral load at undetectable levels, and extends her life.

Would you place your trust in Shane and Jessica to act a way that respects their obligations to the health and welfare of their fellow performers?

If yes, wouldl this trust be based on some special understanding of Shane and Jessica's integrity?

If not, why do you regard Shane and Jessica's case as any different from other performers to whom you extend your trust every time you do a scene with them?

picman
Senior Member

Nothing says I love you so much as a tongue in the ass.
2884 Posts
1/03
Posted - Nov 12 2005 : 5:45PM
The women hired to work with Shane should not have to make the decision as to whether they should or shouldn't based on how safe he says he is. If he's having sex with someone who's HIV+ he's taking a greater risk than he should and passing it on to others. It's his right to take a risk for himself. It's not his right to make others less safe. Whatever unsafe practices go on in the industry doesn't have any bearing on this. As Tyler Knight stated, he's walked off sets for less. Any performer who feels their safety is being threatened should do the same. And they should get backing from their agents. Let the directors decide whether the employment of their friends is more important than shooting the top talent of the day. Maybe Shane is just the tip of the iceberg but you have to make a stand somewhere, and this looks like a good place to start.
Right after my post there was a thread started by Shane with his statement.

Edited by - picman on 11/12/2005 5:49:33 PM

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