Focusing on the art of Lesbian Seduction 12 Posts 6/20
Posted - Jun 20 2020 : 11:52PM
Hey everyone!
This is the official thread to discuss the new lesbian Brand She Seduced Me. This site is by the same director who created Girlsway and GirlGirl.
Focusing on the "art" of lesbian seduction, these unique new scenes are a co-production and collaboration between the individual models and veteran GG director Alan-X. True fans will love our weekly, stunning, 4K updates featuring some of the most beautiful models online playing out scenarios of seduction and reluctance for your pleasure... and theirs.
Has promise, and nice to see some girls who don't do much G/G like Alica Williams, Dakota Skye, Kyler Quinn. I hope some ladies come up with some really outside the box ideas.
Happy to get some new g/g content during this industry dead time. The casting has been for the most part 2nd rate, but that can be easily remedied in the future. I am assuming here that there is a porn future.
Milana Ricci gave Cherie Deville a couple good facial blasts in My Girls First Time Squirting!!
I hope she does the same with Gia Dimarco in Squirting Exchange Student. I'd love to see Gia's gorgeous face drenched and glistening with Milanas squirt!!
Would love to see Sunny Lane get squirt blasted, she's not afraid. Her makeup got wrecked by Deauxma in Lesbian Seductions 7. Would love to see Sunny take on Adriana Chechik and get drenched!!
Focusing on the art of Lesbian Seduction 12 Posts 6/20
Posted - Jun 24 2020 : 5:37AM
What do you think about our concept in terms of how we empower models as content owners?
https://www.sheseducedme.com/pages.php?id=about
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Posted - Jun 24 2020 : 10:39AM
Suggestions
More alt girl on alt girl scenes
More scenes with girls who have body contrasts-height, body type (would loooove to see a curvy performer like arabelle raphael w/ a shredded one like Nicole Aniston) 'natural' performers w/ 'enhanced' performers etc
Def more scenes of younger performers 'seducing' older ones. Also what about younger scenarios but casting older performers? Like a college cheerleaders scene w/ Cherie Deville and Alexis Fawx? etc
speaking of squirt facials, can we please get some focus on girls drinking squirt too?
would love to see a girl like Milana squatting down over another girl's mouth, squirting into it and watching the girl swallow rather than the usual squirt across their face/chin
Focusing on the art of Lesbian Seduction 12 Posts 6/20
Posted - Jul 6 2020 : 9:10AM
We are shooting our first scene back today. We also have updated through august. So it looks like our Weekly release schedule will be maintained through this pandemic.
Please for the love of God change your twitter site, I'm really pleased people are buying your material but we don't need to know every time somebody does, please leave it for important/interesting updates, trailers, new material release because it's utterly impenetrable at the moment and driving people, including myself, away from visiting it which is surely counterproductive
After a promising beginning it's disappointing to see the recent "mom daughter" scenes are as lame as anything GW have been knocking out for two years, Alan said he was looking to make it edgier and push the envelope a little like early MG material but what do we get today, my stepmom can't find out I'm pregnant"...not even the merest pretence of taboo.
^^ that's so incredibly annoying, akin to performers who do a couple dozen retweets a day.
^ at the end of the day, he has to play by the rules of his payment processor. And I doubt there are any meaningful differences between what adulttime and sheseducedme are allowed to do. Now if only he could use a different location from time to time.
According to Adult Time they have to have three-mentions of step-relatedness to satisfy their legal department and the requirements of the CC companies, after which you can dispense with the "step" business. I've been continually disappointed with their state of family roleplay, across brands, especially Mommy's Girl as of late. A real lack of Mommy Talk with no real reason for it, as the stated requirements leave it wide open for them to give plenty, just after the three mentions of step-relatedness are out of the way. The AT team says they are "...listening to our members about ongoing issues regarding the brand and are actively planning solutions at the moment."
Here's hoping.
Bummer to hear y'all are dealing with it too over here, on She Seduced Me.
Well, originally that was my intention. I actually didn't make them say step at all for the first couple scenes. I figured "hey, nobody is around to tell me what to do" ... until I stared getting TOS violations galore from visa, Pornhub, ManyVids etc. suddenly I realized the rules where real, and they where even stricter than what I was doing back in the day at MG because the platforms have all stiffened their TOS guidelines since those days. I actually had to go back and re-edit a lot of the initial content to bring it into compliance. The whole taboo stepmom thing feels Like it's at a crossroads.
My goal moving forward is to still make taboo, engaging, lesbian movies for this audience while working inside of modern Visa and Pornhub standards. Now I have no issue making scenes with a lot of "mommy talk," after all I did it for years and everyone loved it. However, I'm not sure how to get those scenes out to you guys without the content getting flagged. So... what to do? How to incorporate "mommy talk" when we can't say "mommy?"
In the spirit of collaboration I would like to pose 4 questions to any fan of taboo lesbian content who cares to respond:
Question 1: can "mommy talk" just become "step mommy talk?" they want me to have the performers use the full term "stepmom" or "stepdaughter" every time not just once at the beginning of the scene like we used to do. Is that a deal breaker? If they are constantly saying "step-this" and "step-that" because I have no problem making those movies If that's what people want to watch?
Question 2: is it not enough that they are engaging in a taboo encounter without having to constantly repeat certain words? Is it not enough that the stepmom seduced the stepdaughter who is afraid of what will happen if the dad finds out? (To boil it down to the simplest version). Is that scenario not erotic enough without the "mommy talk" during sex?
Question 3: what do you think is the best way to make a taboo movie without ever directly establishing a blood relation? How can the story and dialogue be engaging and sufficiently taboo without crossing this (constantly changing) line?
Question 4: how much consideration should be given to "future proofing" content to account for future stiffening of TOS policies in regards to taboo content?
Well, originally that was my intention. I actually didn't make them say step at all for the first couple scenes. I figured "hey, nobody is around to tell me what to do" ... until I stared getting TOS violations galore from visa, Pornhub, ManyVids etc. suddenly I realized the rules where real, and they where even stricter than what I was doing back in the day at MG because the platforms have all stiffened their TOS guidelines since those days. The whole taboo stepmom thing feels Like it's at a crossroads.
My goal moving forward is to still make taboo, engaging, lesbian movies for this audience while working inside of modern Visa and Pornhub standards. Now I have no issue making scenes with a lot of "mommy talk," after all I did it for years and everyone loved it. However, I'm not sure how to get those scenes out to you guys without the content getting flagged. So... what to do? How to incorporate "mommy talk" when we can't say "mommy?"
In the spirit of collaboration I would like to pose 4 questions to any fan of taboo lesbian content who cares to respond:
Question 1: can "mommy talk" just become "step mommy talk?" they want me to have the performers use the full term "stepmom" or "stepdaughter" every time not just once at the beginning of the scene like we used to do. Is that a deal breaker? If they are constantly saying "step-this" and "step-that" because I have no problem making those movies If that's what people want to watch?
Question 2: is it not enough that they are engaging in a taboo encounter without having to constantly repeat certain words? Is it not enough that the stepmom seduced the stepdaughter who is afraid of what will happen if the dad finds out? (To boil it down to the simplest version). Is that scenario not erotic enough without the "mommy talk" during sex?
Question 3: what do you think is the best way to make a taboo movie without ever directly establishing a blood relation? How can the story and dialogue be engaging and sufficiently taboo without crossing this (constantly changing) line?
Question 4: how much consideration should be given to "future proofing" content to account for future stiffening of TOS policies in regards to taboo content?
This is something that is truly close to my heart, and I'm really pleased to see this discussion being brought up here. See, what you are describing is a continual problem for me at Adult Time and their family roleplay offerings, especially Mommy's Girl. Big time family roleplay fan here and it is just being watered down to the point of non enjoyment.
Here's how I understand it, having talked to Frank and being a very active member of at Adult Time - three mentions of step-relation to satisfy the legal department requirements and credit card companies after which you can dispense with the step-relation terms and use straight familial terms. If Adult Time is allowed to do this why aren't you? As using just three step-mentions early and then switching to straight familial terms would be 100% sufficient and amazing.
The problem is, Adult Time isn't even following through on their own stated rules that they say they have to play by. Going on to answer your questions.
Question One: Nope. I don't. Zero interest in the "steps", their use is only perfunctory, to allow satisfaction of both the legal department and the credit card companies requirements. Step mentions are not what fans of family roleplay want to hear. Any time they continue to be used after the initial required three, it's a bummer. A let down. Lost it's edge, the taboo-ness of the encounter.
Question Two: Nope, not enough at all. Far far from it. The scenario, without hearing the direct use of the familial terms, during sex mind, it's not taboo any longer, it's not a family roleplay scene any longer and it's something I want to go away, as it's helping to further dilute the genre than continue to be being made. Routinely at Mommy's Girl, or the other family roleplay channels, we get a couple of milquetoast "steps" to start with, then just as soon as the sex starts? It's over, it becomes a normative lesbian scene and my interest quickly wanes. (Any and all talk in family roleplay about "X person finding out" always falls flat for me, does nothing to add to the heat, passion, excitement or taboo nature of the scene. All to often it winds up being a cop out, used to pass off as if we're watching family roleplay when all we're really looking is for them to use dirty talk during sex with familial terms tacked on. If I never hear another "But what if Dad finds out" in my life I'll be a happy person.)
Question Three: Look to the big companies, like Adult Time, and verify that they aren't bullshitting about the three required mentions of step-ness and that after you can dispense with the step-mentions and go straight familial terms. Find out, truly, what you can and can't get away with. Because to my limited understanding, but being the big family roleplay fan I am, there's zero reason not to be producing great family roleplay content by just bonking us over the head with steps before going straight to the real, taboo dirty talk fans of family roleplay are yearning for.
If they are not allowed, familial terms one day, I dunno how you'd accomplish it. I think you'd need to go way deeper with establishing long term relationships; none of this, "I married your Dad a couple years ago" stuff. Nope. Super weak. In order to set the taboo table without being about to use "Mommy Talk" for instance you need to display their close, real, familial bond, her having raised her from a child, and referencing those little "taboo" instances that might have made one or the other think "Hmm" over those years. That deepens the taboo.
Question Four: That's a tough one, as there's nothing I hate more as a perceptive viewer than noticing just that - future proofing. That's what the brief mentions of step at the beginning and at the end are doing, being positioned just so, so that in the future the footage can be repurposed, recycled and resold on a different platform or medium. It cheapen the feel of the product the member is paying for, investing in. Nothing worse than a feeling of insult, a feeling of disrespect, from management towards it's members, and hedging ones content in this manner feels exactly as such. Fans are far more perceptive that what I think industry insiders routinely give us credit for.
Over in the Team Skeet thread, when I posted my recommendations on Family Roleplay, here's what they had to say: "Thank you for the amazing feedback! We truly appreciate you. TeamSkeet's tapping into family role play this year more than ever."
Well - what's the story? They really going to do what? Fans in their thread are routinely talking about Daughter Swap, no steps being used, and then the daughters sucking their own dads dicks and other things in it as the series continues to deepen it's taboo nature. If Team Skeet can do it, if they can produce stuff that will meet the CC companies requirements, what's the hold up?
A lot of times I feel that the "hold ups" aren't as such, and that it's more a company directive, they just don't want to produce this or that sort of content and rather than buck up and tell the fans, "No, we aren't interested in producing that kind of content, it's not in line with our vision", no, they'll dance around it with PR speak and say things along the lines of "It's out of our hands, it's the credit card companies/out of our hands, it's obscenity laws and we still ship DVDs so we cant" (neverminding they could just market and release it as web only, but don't? Why? Back to respecting your members intelligence and perception - the reason for not doing that is it eliminates a revenue stream for them, not having the option to market and sell the DVD itself. Evil Angel and watersports, for example. Too often we get fed PR and Company Speak instead of just leveling with us, the consumers. Or at a minimum it feels that way.
Here's my take on Family Roleplay and what I want to see, how I want to see it done.
Family Roleplay, the kind that after you have satisfied your legal department's requirements due to credit card companies pressuring you dispense with the "step" and simply use direct familial relation terms. Further, that when the sex starts, these terms aren't dropped, that the scene doesn't become a normative adult entertainment scene instead of a family roleplay scene. Many times in other places I run into this and it's always a supreme frustration. To me, the keys to a super hot family roleplay scene are as follows:
1. Get the required mentions of step-relatedness out of the way, quickly and never use "step" anything the rest of the scene.
2. Have the females, if it's a B/G (not much of a concern here in GG), perform the overwhelming majority of the family roleplay. (And by family roleplay, what do I mean? See below) I don't want to hear the male do all of it, or be the one to do the majority of the talking; just the opposite.
3. All the dirty talk that the females normally do during a given scene should include, tacked on if you will, this mention of direct familial relation (again, after the legal department has been satisfied in Step #1.) If it's a step-dad and step-daughter scene, instead of the step-daughter saying, "Oh baby, your dick is filling me up so good!" she would instead say, "Oh daddy, your dick is filling me up so good!" Note the key difference. One is family roleplay. The other is the sort of dirty talk you find everywhere, in regular adult entertainment scenes.
4. This family roleplay talk, performed by the females mainly, doesn't stop when sex starts, and stays up in frequency, ideally averaging about one mention of familial relation a minute or so, give or take, with her dirty talk. If it's a step-mother and step-daughter scene, after the legalities are satisfied instead of her saying, "I never knew my step-mom knew how to eat ass like that!" she would instead say, "Mommy! I never would have guessed you knew how to eat an asshole like that!" Note the key difference. Family roleplay fans are tuning in to hear the latter, not the former. And the females, in this GG scene, or in B/G or B/G/G scenes, would keep this up, aiming for an average of about 1/minute.
^ That's a hot as hell family roleplay scene if pulled off.
Just the same as you were interested in hearing our feedback on this, I am super keen on hearing your feedback as well. This is a genre that I'm truly passionate about and it's getting harder and harder seemingly to find anything truly taboo, anything that fits the bill. I am hoping very much for some quality family roleplay one way or another to come about soon. If it's at She Seduced Me? Member for life. (By the by, different subject entirely but if I ever come across a G/G foot fetish site or one that gives plenty of uploads of it? Also a member for life.)
Not sure I could have articulated it better myself, you've covered the answers I would have given in much better detail so I'll leave Alan's response to your post. What I will say to Alan is I appreciate the response and the explanation you have given, if indeed the presssure is being applied at an ever greater level from the various companies and authorities I feel sorry for you, ultimately I can see "proper" family taboo being pushed ever closer to the margins such as the likes of ManyVids and Clips4u where they will insert step into the titles and synopses but step isn't included in the actual content.
It's a shame that the companies and producers like yourself who are wanting to produce the higher quality content with the best looking/popular stars will increasingly step away (no pun intended) from the true taboo stuff we enjoyed in the past with the likes of filly films
Thank you got talking your time to respond to my questions. I want you to know I read your answer in it’s entirety and you have given me some food for thought.
What I mainly got out of your answer is that you liked the old content that was made before the TOS (terms of Sevice) of a lot of the platforms and visa changed and you would like more content like that. I suspected as much but I’m just not sure how to act on your recommendations. It seems foolish to keep making the same movies that got rejected expecting a different result.
Here is literally the response I got from my PH rep in regards to my initial content several months ago:
“ The main things your content got flagged for were depictions of real incest, non-consent, abuse of power, or hostage situations. While I understand this is fantasy and simply a depiction of the scenario, our Terms of Service is now a lot stricter. For example, a scene with a step-relation where they are only using "mom" or "dad" or "daughter" would no longer be considered compliant.
If you're able to make edits to the scenes to remove where someone says that, you can reupload those scenes or provide me with the edited scene and I can replace the source file for you so you can retain the views/ratings/comments.”
Here is what I am going to do: I’m going to verify with my rep what, exactly, the rules are at this time. He had told me “step every time” earlier but I brought up your “3 steps and then go” understanding of the rules (I said another producer told me that and asked him to verify).
More importantly I’m going to see what the rules are exactly with different platforms. Maybe the visa TOS are less stringent than the PH TOS. Maybe ManyVids/clips4sale or xvideos have different TOS than PH or Visa. Maybe it makes financial sense to have scenes that have more taboo content on some platforms and just not put those scenes on PH, even though PH is a major source of traffic. At the end of the day the membership site has to comply with the VIsa TOS but I am going to verify exactly what those are. I’ll get back to you guys with what I find out.
Whatever they are I have to follow the TOS RuLes of the platforms i monetize the content on but there seems to be some confusion as to exactly what those are. Understand I have no personal agenda past making the content that my customers want to see.
In the meantime while I hunt down the answers for us, I would still be interested in other people’s responses to the four questions I posed earlier in the thread. Let’s keep the dialogue going and see if we can’t figure out something that works for everyone like we used to.
Good to hear! In that effort about continued discussion on the four questions and how to do taboo family roleplay without familial terms. Or with just a few steps and then none, familial or step after.
"My goal moving forward is to still make taboo, engaging, lesbian movies for this audience while working inside of modern Visa and Pornhub standards. How to incorporate "mommy talk" when we can't say "mommy?"
Hmm, if you can't say Mom, Mommy, Mother, Ma (but step versions are a-ok with them, right, the Pornhhubs and such)? It makes it way tougher, I don't think I'm telling you anything you don't already know. But I'm going to spitball some ideas here (I truly am a fan of the genre, anything I can do here at She Seduced Me and to help you bring it to us, or anything fans can riff off of or other industry insiders here can pick up on, I'm all for it, as you can likely tell with the way in which I write, it's one of my favorite genres):
I'd made brief mention of it before, but, if it has to be either "Mommy/et al" free or even step-free, no step-versions, you've got to clearly display the long-term relationship. It's not enough to just title it a certain way, or to use the steps if you can get away with it. It's key to display that long-term relationship, that this step-mom is only a step-mom in name, that she well and truly played the role of mother to her step-daughter, regardless of the lack of blood relation.
This is a psychological aspect to the taboo - I think there is more to the taboo, at the heart of it here, when you really start to unpack and examine it, to deconstruct it, than there even is in the blood relation, if played right, if written right. Not only that, you'll need to really work with your actresses to pull those sorts of performances out of them.
I have a couple of examples from the latest MG with Ryan Keely and Freya Parker, the first of a close but no cigar, in terms of what it is that I'm trying to drive at, give examples of.
"You're gonna be working this summer in my coffee shop. My little girl." - Ryan
"I mean, I'm not that little. You've only seen me grow for like, two years, since you married my dad, so it's not too much." - Freya
"But since then, you are just, no offense but an adorably gangly, awkward teenager when I met you just like a little Bambi colt. And now you're just this blossoming young woman and that's how you're gonna make tips." - Ryan
It's getting close, Ryan's use of "my little girl", and Freya's reply is where it went off the rails, where it lost it's balls, as this could have been, and almost is, a Hall of Fame exchange. What do I mean?
Freya plays down their relationship. Saying she's only known her for two years, since she's married her dad, and that she hadn't seen her grow up for long. That's passion draining, that takes the taboo they'd been building up and pops a hole in that balloon, deflating all the heat that was building. Ryan's reply? Perfection. Let's examine a possible alternative here to this dialogue that (as long as "my little girl" is all right) would be taboo but not have to use Mommy, etc.
"You're gonna be working this summer in my coffee shop. My little girl." - Ryan
"I mean, I'm not that little anymore. Really! I'm not. I know you've watched me grow up and all since you married my dad, but I'm not that little girl anymore." - Freya
"Back then Freya, no offense, but you were an adorably gangly, awkward teenager when I met you just like a little Bambi colt. And now you're just this blossoming young woman and that's how you're gonna make tips." - Ryan
I mean, is that not world's different in terms of the kink, the taboo, the fetish, the bent, that fans of family roleplay want, and if we have to be clever to play by the rules can maybe possibly still deliver without having to use those familial terms?
Let's look at another example from that same scene, during the set up, this one MUCH better, very taboo, but still room for improvement, and it doesn't use the familial terms at all:
"I've never really never really . I've never really like gone down that road or anything like that so I wouldn't . I wouldn't know." - Freya
"You've never... wait. What do you mean by going down that road?" Ryan
"I don't know, I've...Like, I've never experimented with girls or anything, so." - Freya
"You are kidding me. You haven't? You had sleepovers practically every weekend with your girlfriends." - Ryan
"Yeah, but we were just like, you know, painting nails and stuff like that." - Freya
"You guys weren't fooling around?" - Ryan
"No."
"That's what you're supposed to be doing on sleepovers. [laughing] Why do you think I totally left you guys completely alone and went to the other side of the house with, like, a glass of wine?"
"I had no idea, I guess." - Freya
"So you're sooo innocent." - Ryan
See how this shows, especially combined with the changed first bit of dialogue the deepened levels of taboo, the long-term relationships, establishing a well and true familial bond despite their not being blood related. Very taboo but for us fans of family roleplay, taboo family roleplay, pretty hot. Does a nice job of building that heat. I was actually surprised to get this bit of dialogue on MG, not that it has the Mommy Talk I want, just that if felt quite taboo. I complemented them in the comment section on using clever dialogue to deepen the taboo but in turn made note of the lack of Mommy Talk too - as I'm still under their statement of "three step-mentions to set the scene and then familial terms are good after that." I mean, it's not their produced content but there are some superlative B/G spankmonster episodes on AT where the female alone does over 90 bits of straight familial relation dirty talk (brother in one and dad in the other). And that's within the past few months. Anyhow, I digress, point being, I thought the above was an example of doing taboo family roleplay without having to use direct familial terms.
Thanks for your time and it's going to be interesting hearing about the developments of your outreach and TOS scourings, to see just what they'll let you get away with and not. And then? Then it's time to toe the line just as close as humanly possible! Lol Here's to you, and us, also, getting some good news from them!
Thanks for clearing things up for us taboo-lovers. Somehow it seems taboo for porncompanies to give a honest answer to our questions about the use of the step-word
Here the answers to your questions:
Question 1: No.. it can't become stepmommytalk for the die hard taboolovers. This is a dealbreaker. We can live with 1, 2 or 3 step-mentions in the beginning or perhaps after the climax. Stepmomtalk during the sex is fast forward and stop.
Question 2 The whole thing we perverts love and miss in most of todays taboo-stuff is the taboo talk during the sex. Without talk it just becomes a lesbian scene. And there are alot of lesbian scenes out there so why bother watching / buying your productions?
By the way: Taboo talk is more then constantly whispering mommy this and mommy that. A good scene can have boring sex but hot talk. You have me with using sentences like: "fuck me with you little tongue... your dad fucked me an hour ago.. can you taste your fathers cum" "kiss me and fuck me with your fingers... do you want to play with your aunty too? We can do a 3-some and you can lick her asshole while I probe her pussy...would you like that? ...yes mommy"
Question 3 There is no way to make a taboo movie without taboo... thats the whole point about taboo...
Question 4
LEGALPORNO produces alot of piss-scenes latelty. But they make 2 edits. A dry edit and a wet edit. You could make a taboo edit and a nontaboo edit for dvd's or other sales??
Maybe ask legalporno how they cope with creditcardcompanies. They make the dirtiest sex with piss etc. There also is a website called https://perversefamily.com/. Its about a family doing dirty things. They also have scat in their library nowadays. No mention of the step-word. But its not my cup of tea. I like your stuff (if it contains taboo)
Why can they make and sell this and you get problems with a bit of mommytalk?
Isn't there any other way to transfer money to a company other then credit card? Is bitcoin something to pass the creditcardcompanies?
Dear Alan.. If you aren't able to make good taboo scenes and build your own website under your conditions I would advise you to shoot for the mainstream companies. Your work is excelent. I iwsh you all the best and hope for a good taboo ending.
new mommysgirl scene tonight with jessica ryan and laney grey had mommy and dirty talk all the way through, jessica mentions step a few times before the sex starts but afterwards its mommy talk.
So they seem to be allowed mommy talk after the initial stepmom setup, i would think you would also be allowed but either way Alan i wish you all the best as your mommysgirl, girlgirl and sheseducedme mom and daughter scenes are classics that i never get bored of revisting.
mckenzie lee and gabriella lopex threesome scene for teamskeet also has plenty of mommy/daddy talk, other companies seem to be ok unless these scenes were shot before the tougher restrictions you were told about came into play.
I agree with the other posters about preferring non step mommy talk but i still enjoy the step taboo talk if it's done with great performers who are in to it and get creative like cherie deville, alexis fawx,sarah vandella serene siren, chanel preston, elexis monroe, india summer etc but they are great with the non step mommy talk. also massively agree about the stepmom and daughter having a long and motherly/daughter history, i don't get the companies who do the "you are not my mom, only been my stepmom for 2 weeks or years", it takes away the familial bond and long time sexual tension, always better when the characters see each other as real mom and daughter regardless of the stepmom tag.
-I also find it a big turn on if there is a setup where a girl and a milf pretend they are mother / daughter and during their sex fantasise about their own mother / daughter.. (because they can't have them) -And an other fantasy would be mom and daughter watching mother daughter sex on a TV-screen while have sex (and talk about what they see on the screen)
But those setups are just my personal fantasy ;-) My guess is this is too personal
^Sounds good, pretty sure mommysgirl has a few silmilar similar to your milf and teen pretend to be mom and daughter, india summer and megan rain, cherie deville and chloe cherry, elexis monroe and gia paige, serene siren,lilly lit and lexi lore , scenes where the characters are not playing stepmom and daughter but one of the characters has a mom and daughter fantasy.
The jessica ryan and laney grey scene from mommysgirl tonight had zero step talk during the sex, really fun scene and proves that companies can still shoot mommy talk in scenes without step being included.
As a MASSIVE fan of the taboo lesbian genre, I greatly appreciate, not only your fantastic body of work in this genre, but caring so much about your fans opinions.
I've always voted with my wallet. I was a happy member of Mommy's Girl for the first few years, and I was super excited to see you start She Seduced Me. I especially loved "Mother of The Bride" (with Alison Rey, Krissy Lynn, & Kyler Quinn) and "Mommy's Recipe" (with Alicia Williams, Scarlett Sage, & Serene Siren.) I have a strong feeling that these are two of the scenes you had to go back and edit and add "step" to, because beyond those references, the scenes are played out like legit mother/daughter relations.
Now to answer the questions you posted:
Question 1: can "mommy talk" just become "step mommy talk?.....
Not for me. Once I hear "step" in a scene, the taboo is gone. While I understand that there are some restrictions that require establishing a step-relationship, most companies seem to make it work by getting these requirements out of the way very early on in their scenes. (That is if you're still allowed to..based on the info you provided earlier). I once recommended on the Girlsway forum a way to "Skip a Step." This being simply including timestamps in the video's description indicating when the term step is used. This simple step (lol) I think would be a really clever workaround. As gooch wrote "1. Get the required mentions of step-relatedness out of the way, quickly and never use "step" anything the rest of the scene."
Question 2: is it not enough that they are engaging in a taboo encounter without having to constantly repeat certain words?
I absolutely prefer taboo dirty talk. I prefer the terms "mom" or "mother" over "Mommy", which I feel has kind of lost it's taboo after being used so often in scenes with no actual taboo vibe..but that may just be me. BUT MOST IMPORTANT is establishing a life-long parental bond. This is absolutely key for me. "You've grown so much." "You remind me of my mom (your grandma), or aunt when she was younger," etc.)
Question 3: what do you think is the best way to make a taboo movie without ever directly establishing a blood relation?
It's really hard, but not impossible. Girlfriend's Films had some strong examples of this in their early releases. The scene between Nicole Moore & Tara Lynn Foxx from Lesbian Seductions Older/Younger Vol. 30 is a brilliant example of never using direct family terms, but still making it work. But at the end of the day, I absolutely prefer taboo dirty talk.
Question 4: how much consideration should be given to "future proofing" content to account for future stiffening of TOS policies in regards to taboo content?
I would hope none. Because, who knows, things might become more lenient. But also take into account that Kirby Stevens' Taboo series, especially the first 5 which clearly established blood relations, is still sold on every major Adult Video platform. Also, all those Filly Films video clips have been repurposed over the last few years on multiple platforms.
In another post you pondered "Maybe ManyVids/clips4sale or xvideos have different TOS than PH or Visa. Maybe it makes financial sense to have scenes that have more taboo content on some platforms and just not put those scenes on PH, even though PH is a major source of traffic." I think this might be the case. About a year ago clipsforsale started having to include "Step" in the title and description of their taboo videos, BUT not in the actual videos themselves. It's a work around that every major taboo studio on the site has successfully used to this very day.
As tintintin mentioned "You could make a taboo edit and a nontaboo edit for dvd's or other sales?? - I love the idea of Director's Cut (No Steps) versions you could post exclusively on clip sites like ClipsforSale and Myvids. I would be more than happy to shell out a little extra for high quality lesbian highly taboo content.
I do have scenarios I would love to see you use, but of course that depends on the restrictions you have going forward.
I very much look forward to any updates you can provide and thank you for all the years of amazing content.
I just wanted to check back in with everyone here and read some of the newest replies. Thank you all so much for your feedback and impassioned answers. They where very informative. And I see where the nostalgia for the older content stems from.
In terms of research I did find a lot of daylight between the TOS of the various parties. While I have to respect the visa rules to the letter it is also feasible to have some scenes that don't make it onto some of the stricter platforms, and that's ok. So I have recalibrated my recent mommy scenes accordingly, it will be a while before they come out but by this summer I think you still see the updated content. Let me know what you think of the more taboo scenes!
Let's keep the conversation going here and let's see if we can't get back to a place where the mommy fans are the core of the member base over at SSM. We where all on the same page once, there is no reason we cannot be agin.
For the record this totally happened in multiply scenes. Milana is an INSANE squirter. And don't get me started on Vina. The squirt fans have A LOT to be excited about this summer at She Seduced Me!
For the record I did ask around on this to various reps and you are the only one who seems to have this idea. Most likely it was an older policy that they had at the time you had the conversation with him that has since been updated to reflect changes in their partners TOS. Thats just my guess as I was unable to verify the "three mention rule" sorry. All the TOS I read either it has to be established that they are step OR they can only ever be step. Nothing in between.
^^^^ okay, that sounds nice. Looking forward to it. While we are on the subject of squirting, I really liked the last squirting scene you did for girlgirl, featuring Chloe Cherry and Aiden Ashley. Basically it all but dropped the pretense of what was actually happening, and I was a big fan of that.
^^^^^ what does this mean for paying customers? Will some subscribers miss out on scenes, will there be different edits, and is there going to be some info, so they can change their payment to get the version they want?
And while I'm already writing this much, are you going to shoot anal content, preferably anal and squirting together? Because as far as I have noticed, there's yet to appear a scene with anal on your website. If there's a chance, I've a casting suggestion. Serena Blair, who you've shot a bunch of anal scenes, has started to squirt regularly, for companies, but mostly for her onlyfans.
And for my final question, are you planning on doing more updates per week, or at least shorten the time span between updates, once the pandemic is hopefully over?
Glad you liked the GG.com scene with chloe and Aiden. Squirting scenes with both models have been shot and are in the can for she seduced me. Aiden squirted with Emily Willis and chloe squirted with Cherie deville and Milana Ricci.
Nope. Subscribers will Not miss out on any scenes. Just not all the scenes will make it to every platform. But the subscribers to the actual site will see everything.
I am willing to shoot anal content and I have some scheduled. But it hasn't been traditionally the most popular content on any of the sites I have done. That being said if members want anal then they shall have anal. Btw check out the one released anal scene so far starring Dakota Skye on the site.
As of may 1st we will be releasing 4 updates per month and we will stick to that through the end of 2021 or until our member base increases. At the end of the day scenes cost money to produce and its money in, money out.
Let me know if you have any additional questions and I hope to see you in the she seduced me forums soon.
^ yep, sadly that's what I've noticed about GG anal content. Girlstryanal was a nice channel, but wasn't too popular. I guess the only way to make it viable to produce would be in the context of a fauxcest scene, since those still seem to be what brings in the most views. Can't blame the producers, if it doesn't make enough money, just sucks for us fans of those scenes.
The previews for the scenes featuring squirting look really nice, especially the one with Cherry, Cherie and Milana. Also looking forward to the see what Aiden and Emily did.