The word 'should' is used as a suggestion not an assertion, so your question, necroman, is a perfectly legitimate one, and no, it doesn't also have to be politically correct. I would base my response more on the fairness aspect than the popularity or the supposedly degrading, erotic or uninhibited nature of the act etc. Here, one also has to consider that the sole act of watching porn is no longer kinky in itself (so the examples of classic era porn are irrelevant) and in large parts of the world, society's attitude to a naked body is unrelated to the gender it belongs to. In this context, I believe female talents in porn get paid much more than the male talent while doing a lot lesser, i.e. if you consider simple B-G scenes with vaginal sex and oral sex (excluding swallow) and which do not also fall into the realms of gangbangs, extra-large sized cocks etc. The stud has to remain hard (if he takes pills, he screws up his body) without fluffers, perform a workload equivalent of two-hundred push-loads, cum on cue or command, etc, etc. and I'm sure you know all this. The girl basically just lays there, pretend-moans and gets it. Neither of them are the Strasbergs or Stella Adlers of acting, so I can concede that aspect, but I’d like to see the girl sweat out a bit more to earn her keep and stripes as otherwise, I feel filched (perhaps unfairly, but why should I care if my emotions are legitimate when we’re talking of something as complex as the surrogacy of desire?) and feel there’s no value for my time and money because the girl isn’t as invested in the porno as I am. Anal is a good barometer to test the girls. By nature of the act itself, unless someone is born with a sphincter with the tensile strength of rubber, it calls for a certain level of preparation and practice and in my opinion, not only makes the ‘deal’ fairer but also makes me take the girl more seriously in terms of her porn avatar and her willingness to please others (ultimately, the viewer) even at the cost of her personal preference makes her more titillating, personally. In fact, I think the ‘personal preferences’ argument (as though porn can be or is supposed to be for the actors’ enjoyment over or more than ours) is just an excuse for girls to justify their sloth (and their fans to seem chivalrous as they indulge them) while making money. The propensity of most female newbies (more American than European) to delay or refuse anal scenes has unnecessarily puts that act on a pedestal or made it feel like a taboo, but it’s neither, it’s just a little harder and maybe that’s what so off-putting in the first place. I don’t think swallowing is the same though. I don’t see the big deal in that, it’s an artificially created test-tube category shoved down our throats (pun unintended) but doesn’t require any rigor on the part of the performer, so I am ambivalent towards the act.
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Posted - May 10 2016 : 1:23AM
^ Man, that sure was a lot of words for "they all should because I said so." Granted it was more effort than most people put into it so I guess that should be applauded, but your argument still holds no water. Just because you've arbitrarily decided anal is some sort of indicator for a performer's willingness to please her fans, doesn't mean that everyone should do it. A pornstar is under no more obligation to take a dick in her ass at work than you are, nor should she be. You're making the same mistake that so many others around here do... you're looking at it from a myopic, self-centered perspective. It's not enough that you get your way (women who perform anal, etc) you want to force your way on all the rest of us, and that's not cool.
Murdock, there's nothing wrong or illegitimate about looking at things from a self-centered perspective especially as the discussion I'm getting into places me as a viewer/consumer and so this is as much about my choice as that of the others and by the way, at no place am I advocating that anyone unwilling or unable to do anal should be made to do so (that'd be illegal as well as unwatchable) but I'm saying that there's an argument wherein they ought to be made unemployable. The fanaticism in my argument is probably on par with a vegan activist's but that's alright. It isn't arbitrary either. The very act of anal makes the performer more invested in the film and this makes both her and the film more appealing to me. This whole anal as a tease or no-no rigmarole is tiresome, uncool, manipulative and lopsided in modern porn and just because you've written a lot of posts doesn't make your argument better than mine, but only different to it.
I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV 911 Posts 4/06
Posted - May 10 2016 : 3:15AM
^ Looking out for your own interests as a consumer is fine, but that's not what you're doing. You're advocating making people that don't do what you want, unemployable. And that effects everyone who consumes porn. And yes, your criteria for doing so is very much arbitrary. You state they'll be more "invested" in the film if they are performing anal, but there is no sound reasoning behind that. Would you be more invested in your job with a dick in your ass? No, it just means you'd like your job less unless you prefer dicks in the ass which sorta defeats the purpose doesn't it?
Yes, I am advocating anal as a sort of deal-breaker for girls in porn, however (and therefore), I'm only a counsel, not the jury, so it's fine for me to make an activist argument and for you to take a vigilante's stand. Ultimately, porn will evolve on its own, unbeknownst to both of us. At the moment, the porn industry for the most part works inside-out, i.e. it keeps the preferences of the performer first (especially the female) and the viewer second and feeds us too many rules of their own. Not many industries work like that. I see no reason why it can't be the other way around as long as safe, consensual sex is involved at all times.
Why anal? Well, it's one barometer for hard work for the female performer purely in terms of time it takes to prepare for the act and to perform it well and I happen to find that erotic and fairer on so many levels. Now, if viewers are prepared to lower the conventional expectations from the porn stud or from porn itself, then that'd change the debate for sure. While we're at it, let's debunk your 'dick in the ass' argument. I'm not a pornstar. Who am I? Let's say I'm a high school teacher with requisite qualifications. Tomorrow, a regulation comes in that requires all teachers of my grade to pass an additional test since 'they' find it ultimately gives pupils what they want. As a teacher, I have two options--either I take the test (even if I find it unfair) or I find and train myself for employment in another line. Neither option is life-threatening, you're thinking too much. As much as I've enjoyed it, I'll now return to this conversation only when I'm sufficiently unemployed. LOL. Edited by - Elan Nuks on 5/10/2016 4:40:29 AM
Most of the people commenting on this while I've been asleep have made my points (thanks Canadian Cindy for being twice as articulate as me!). Those who use their own sexual experiences to express what the norm perhaps need to be reminded that there are about 4 billion women on the planet and to find out what most of them are comfortable doing in their sex lives is impossible (and by the way, not all men enjoy anal, let alone women). My angst was caused by the stereotyping of women - some like what I do, so they all should. Bullshit. Should all mainstream actresses do nude or sex scenes? Of course not, but they can still be superstars. Porn has many genres; some are repugnant to many people, both in terms of the viewer and the performer. Do we want them all to do scat, because a few do? There is plenty out there for everyone and personally I admire those girls who refuse to conform to the almost fanatic clamour for more and more extreme acts. I watch porn to get turned on, not out of some strange compulsion to see who will go the furthest.
I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV 911 Posts 4/06
Posted - May 10 2016 : 11:21AM
^^ Haha! It's nice that you point out that porn is driven somewhat by performer preferences and limitations unlike other professions, then you seem to conveniently forget that moments later when you say that my "dick in the ass" argument is invalid because you have a different profession. The reason that porn is different is because it involves sex, and the moment you you don't respect performers boundaries you are advocating rape. And yes, your decision to use anal as the barometer is absolutely arbitrary. One could use any sex act and establish the same thing. But just like every other guy around here that wants to draw a line in the sand, you conveniently decided to do it in line with your preferences. Big shocker. As mentioned above, you can't possibly watch all of the porn so why are you trying to change all of the porn? To what end is this going to make things better for you?
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Posted - May 10 2016 : 3:21PM
As has been pointed out many times on this forum many top performers like Gianna, Sunny Lane and Lexi Belle had/have long careers without doing anal. Alexis Texas had a very good career without any anal until quite late and her recent comeback. So it is neither as required or 'inevitable' as you seem to think.
No they shouldn't all do anal and swallowing and it has nothing to do with their willingness to please. I don't watch anal so no porn star is pleasing me by doing it. This is just you wanting the world to revolve around you(doesn't everyone though?) and what you want. Problem is I and many others(not to mention some of the performers) don't want it. P.s. I do agree though it should be less about what they want and more about what the consumers want(since it is their body but it's also a job, lots of people do things they don't want to but do it anyway because it's their job). BUT, as long as some performers are doing whatever you prefer I don't see the issue(unless it's eating shit from a dogbowl while being gangbanged and pissed on or something.)
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Posted - May 10 2016 : 5:02PM
By your line of thinking... you shouldnt want/hope/expect your NBA team to ever win a game! How dare you lol! Im quite happy that pussy-only action is enjoyable for you... why are you so against me from enjoying anal action too? Why should porn conform to your likes and not mine? There is nothing stopping a pornchick making pussy porn for guys like you... and anal porn for guys like me. If she chooses not to, then that is her right for sure... but its also quite reasonable for me to be disappointed.
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Posted - May 10 2016 : 5:21PM
MOD: Read the forum etiquette Edited by - flash on 5/11/2016 8:38:01 AM
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Posted - May 10 2016 : 5:35PM
Surprised you didnt mention Jenna Jameson, perhaps the most successful pornstar ever... who never spread her butt-cheeks (at least not on camera!) The names who make it big without doing anal are few and far between - and usually are just holding back on anal... so they can cash in when they finally do! Anal most certainly will become "inevitable" as the years go by - a decade or two from now, I doubt any girl will get hired by a studio if she refuses. Those girls will look back to the days of Jenna and Gianna and wonder how it was possible! The anal-isation of porn is an unstoppable force - eventually pussy-only sex will be seen as quaint... if not almost absurd!
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Posted - May 10 2016 : 9:52PM
At the end of the day, people like this Aitch fellow..... are really a scourge to society. They live in a belief that their way is the only way, everything else is wrong, bad, worthless, etc...... and try to bend everyone to this view...... here it is being applied to violating people's rights to film the porn they want with their bodies... and other peoples interests are all disgusting. There is no journey of learning, growth, etc with people like that. They are really the dirt worst of society. As for me, I can not be part of a community that encourages this kind of person to be throwing out disgraceful comments and disgusting remarks towards women and our performers at large. Time for a break for me from posting comments. Back to doing what is fun about porn, enjoying what we like and letting everyone enjoy what they want without bullying them or putting them down! Bye bye for a while...
Edited by - Canadian_Cindy on 5/10/2016 9:56:05 PM
I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV 911 Posts 4/06
Posted - May 10 2016 : 11:19PM
Strawman Alert! I never suggested you shouldn't enjoy whatever porn you like, nor have I suggested that there be any less of it for you to enjoy. That is the difference between what I'm saying and what you're saying. You are suggesting that all porn conform to your liking, and by proxy all consumers should enjoy what you enjoy. If you can't see what's wrong with that, then we have nothing further to discuss. But I will say that all performers should make a reasonable effort to please their target audience. Since you seem to have no interest in girl/girl porn (due to a lack of anal) you are not the target audience of performers who shoot girl/girl porn and thus they are under no obligation to try and suit you, no matter how badly you want to see her take it in the can.
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Posted - May 11 2016 : 7:41AM
MOD: Read the forum etiquette Edited by - flash on 5/11/2016 8:36:49 AM
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Posted - May 11 2016 : 7:48AM
Putting words in to my mouth destroys your credibility, not mine bro! Your whole argument is so silly that I cant stop laughing! So if I think that all popstars should be able to play musical instruments (like the late and great Prince!) I am somehow trying to get music and its consumers, to conform to my liking, by proxy lol! Or if I think that DiCaprio should win the Oscar... oh wait, he did, go Leo! Anyway, once again, I shall repeat my opinion (which we are all entitled to as its a free country!) I would love it if all pornstars did anal - and fully expect that they should as we now live in an anal-centric era Obviously this way of thinking is illegal... and I should be put in prison immediately lol! (Where apparently everybody loves anal lol!)
You're one person and you don't get to say what someone else must do just because you said so. Sorry but you're wrong. I would love it if all pornstars did ir but they don't and I would rather see girls who do it willingly than because they have to anyway. That's just the way it is.
Aitch, Read the forum etiquette, stop harassing people, and start behaving.
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Posted - May 11 2016 : 8:45AM
I am an employer and I tell my staff what they must do all the time - dont worry though, I dont force them to take dick in the butt lol! I agree, nobody should be forced to do anything - and porn scenes are only good if the girl is willing and enjoying it However anal is becoming a basic requirement now - so if a girl wants to work in porn, she should be ready to spread her cheeks In the same way that if she wanted to join the army - she would have to pass basic training!
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Posted - May 11 2016 : 8:50AM
Are you a Mod? Did you not notice who started harassing first?
MOD: Aitch, you broke the forum etiquette by deciding that Canadian_Cindy was a male announcing that and then referring to her as dude since. You clearly have not read the forum etiquette you keep being pointed to since that also explains to you the recourse for you if you don't agree with moderation. Trolls don't last here long. I will now suggest for the final time that you read the forum etiquette.
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Posted - May 11 2016 : 11:14AM
MOD: Putting she in quotes is yet again carrying on your pattern of harassment. I don't know why you feel that you must vindicate the OP, unless this is an alternate account of the OP, and that supposed harassment of the OP is part of your reason for your attacks. Good bye.
that is silly. The point of professional sports is to win. Porn has no such one dimensional, focused goal. There are many goals in porn and there are many ways to get there.
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Posted - May 15 2016 : 9:11PM
I enjoy watching pretty girls swallow cum...and anal is my number interest when it comes to porn. However, to the OP - to each their own. :)
[/quote] Bottom line: I'm wondering if anyone else's porn tastes have changed over time and become more extreme or fetish oriented (anal, swallowing, piss, bondage, etc.)? If so, is "vanilla" porn less interesting to you now? Thanks Cindy! Kind Regards, Necro [/quote] My tastes have definitely changed. Before, what was most important was that the starlet wore stockings and heels. Not anymore. I still love seeing a starlet in stockings and heels, but what's most important now is, she does anal. When I rank my favorite starlets, THE most-important factor is her number of anal credits. Close behind is her number of swallowing credits. I have no problem with starlets who don't do either, but I prefer my favorites do both.
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Posted - May 20 2016 : 1:24AM
If you need a girl to do anal to watch great.... the vast majority of the porn I purchase has some anal it it. I think anal and swallowing is awesome stuff. HOWEVER What is appalling in this thread (and others on ADT) are the number of people who think the following: A) It is an outrage if some company makes porn and it does not include what I like, even though there are plenty of companies that do make what I like B)Any girl who enters porn and does not do what I like, should immediately quit the business and nobody should ever allow someone like that in again C) Any star who decides to stop doing a certain act, is an abomination and should be thrown out of the business D) All the porn buyers out there that like porn that does not include my interests, should never be allowed to buy porn that does not suit my interests E) Even though I only have time to watch 100 scenes of porn; the other 500 made that do not suit my interest are an outrage and should be burned at the stake F) Even if 70% of porn women do my sex act, and that fills up all of my waking hours, the 30% that do not (who I do not have time to watch) should be fired.
Edited by - Canadian_Cindy on 5/20/2016 1:25:21 AM
And probably feel the same way about; 1. Music; 2. Art; 3.Films/ TV programmes; 4. Clothes; 5. etc etc. Is there a word to describe those who want the world to revolve around themselves? (Not the words I'm thinking of, but a dictionary definition.)
In the BTS of one of the CSW films, director Francesca Le yells out: if you can't swallow, you should get the fuck outta porn. But then says she's only joking.
