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Tom Byron
Evolution Erotica

344 Posts
9/02
Posted - Nov 14 2003 : 4:21AM
Has anyone realized the companies that have garnered the most attention and success the last coupla years have had, in some way or another, some connection with Elegant Angel and Patrick Collins?

Examples: Dion - RLD - worked as General Manager and director for some time.
Alex Ladd - DVSX - Partner in Ground Zero Ent., which produced movies for Arch Angel, an Elegant subsidiary.
Greg Alves and Mike Quasar - Zero Tolerance - Greg was GM and Quaze was cameraman for Ground Zero.
Andre Madness - Rosebud - started at Elegant, was GM and director.
Mason - PXP - Made her bones at Elegant.
And of course,
Tom Byron - Evolution
Rob Black - Extreme

O.K. , eight degrees.(Nine if you count Mike Stefano (PXP) who more or less spawned from Extreme.)

So I think we owe a big debt of gratitude to Mr. Collins for providing a launching pad for some pretty outstanding porn. I know we've said some harsh things to each other, but you gotta respect what the man has done.

Best of luck to Patrick and Elegant Angel!

SyberScott
Senior Member

1462 Posts
1/03
Posted - Nov 14 2003 : 4:38AM
Yes Mr. Collins has given many of the
Industry's top current & successful
Pros their starting chances.

It's a shame his products went down
on popularity as the talent left.

Ramsey
Senior Member

Trina Michaels fan
10332 Posts
10/02
Posted - Nov 14 2003 : 4:42AM
It's funny, everyone around him went uphill while he only went downhill ;-)

I personally wish Evil Angel would take over Elegant Angel, I'm sure Elegant could be on top again if Stagliano would run it and bring in some new directors starting with Max Hardcore :-)

dion
Combat Zone

438 Posts
7/02
Posted - Nov 14 2003 : 12:10PM
I agree Tommy,Patrick helped out allot of us, and I'm truely gratiful to him for helping me get started,But damn Tommy you don't have to do such a great job,your stuff truely looks awesome,I'm so happy for you.

Dion Giarrusso
President
Red Light District.

Tom Byron
Evolution Erotica

344 Posts
9/02
Posted - Nov 14 2003 : 5:39PM
Thanks D., but I DO have to do a great job just to keep up, as the fine quality of RLD, PXP and others have raised the bar for all of us to be successful!

Hard work for us - Good news for porn fans!

 
rogrtipe
RogReviews.com

1103 Posts
11/99
Posted - Nov 14 2003 : 11:22PM
Don't forget David Stanley who has made decent stuff over at Vivid and of course Van Damage/Tiffany Mynx of Pagan Pictures.

David Luger from RLD (Cookieman at Elegant, shot Haven's second scene.)

Dale and Corey Jordan of...all kinds of people.

Nick Starks of Darkside..(Yo Nick you still out there?)

Sean Michaels?

Pat Myne shot Teen Angels for Patrick, now working for Metro. (last I heard)

And if we are going to include Stefano and other Collins grand-children by way of Extreme....

Thomas Zupko (Though Stagliano did have him first.)

David Aaron Clark now at Video Team

and of course......

WANKER WANG!!!!!!!

Late
Rog

Tom Byron
Evolution Erotica

344 Posts
9/02
Posted - Nov 15 2003 : 1:23AM
I forgot Mark Kulkis - Kick Ass Pictures - Did P.R. for Elegant and Extreme, as well as directing Barefoot Confidential for Extreme.
julesjordanvideo
JulesJordan.com

Professional Perverts
1003 Posts
9/01
Posted - Nov 15 2003 : 2:40AM
dont forget Jules Jordan: Sodomania 22 (second scene I ever shot), SMUT 15 and Cumback Pussy 27. ;)
dion
Combat Zone

438 Posts
7/02
Posted - Nov 15 2003 : 2:53PM
Hey Jules, you think Patrick would like to have you back?

If Patrick was to have you all back,what a line up.
One Week Tommy
One Week Jules
One Week Vince,remember,I brought Vince to Elegant
One Week Alex ladd,Mike Quasar,Van,Tiffany,and much more.

It's all good,
Dion
Red Light District.

tricia_devereaux
Evil Angel DVD

Patience is a virtue, but who wants to be virtuous?
4283 Posts
4/00
Posted - Nov 15 2003 : 3:48PM
Very cool thread. I was at Elegant at the same time as Tommy, Rob, Tiffany, Greg Alves, Nicky Starks and Van Damage (although I haven't become a director yet like all of them). It was great bunch of people to hang out with.

Only one thing though...
I thought the Six Degrees thing went more like this...
there's Six Degrees of Separation between Tera Patrick and Patrick Collins. (even though this is only Five Degrees of Separation in my amateur example):

Tera Patrick worked for Joey Silvera early in her career.
Joey Silvera directed Tricia Devereaux early in her career.
Tricia Devereaux worked with Tom Byron.
Tom Byron directed for Patrick Collins.

Ultrasiet
Member

Maya Gold, will you marry me?
220 Posts
11/03
Posted - Nov 15 2003 : 3:53PM
Well Tricia, if you did become a director, what sort of films would you direct?

There's a spin-off thread from this one surely. Only one degree of separation between the 'Patrick Collins thread' and the 'Tricia Deveraux Director' thread. Now that's what I call synchronicity.

Tom Byron
Evolution Erotica

344 Posts
9/02
Posted - Nov 16 2003 : 3:04AM
Slain Wayne - Inxcess.com
Charley Crow - Evolution


Edited by - Tom Byron on 11/16/2003 3:09:35 AM

Tom Byron
Evolution Erotica

344 Posts
9/02
Posted - Nov 16 2003 : 3:19AM
I got your sixth degree. Tom Byron dated Tera Patrick. (twice!)
Darth-Morpheous
Deactivated User

1701 Posts
3/02
Posted - Nov 16 2003 : 10:14AM
If Patrick Collins is so great, why does his porn absolutely suck? You guys are giving him too much credit. Hey invested in you because you guys are all top quality directors. He wasn't smart enough to keep you so screw him. I don't even get bothered watching Elegant Angel.

Darth-Morpheous
adultdetective.com

mike john
Mike John Productions

389 Posts
8/02
Posted - Nov 16 2003 : 10:42AM
Before my deal at Anabolic I shot 2 movies for Sean Michaels while he was at elegant, erotic city 1 and 2
 
dion
Combat Zone

438 Posts
7/02
Posted - Nov 16 2003 : 10:54AM
But where did Patrick come from? he came from the "King" of all "Kings", the Gonzo King himself,Buttman.

Dion

SyberScott
Senior Member

1462 Posts
1/03
Posted - Nov 16 2003 : 5:40PM
Elegant's newer movies do suck!

Their older stuff was pretty good!

tricia_devereaux
Evil Angel DVD

Patience is a virtue, but who wants to be virtuous?
4283 Posts
4/00
Posted - Nov 16 2003 : 5:43PM
So are you saying he's the grandfather of all these guys, including Rob? Heaven forbid!
SyberScott
Senior Member

1462 Posts
1/03
Posted - Nov 16 2003 : 5:45PM
How old is your husband Tricia?
tricia_devereaux
Evil Angel DVD

Patience is a virtue, but who wants to be virtuous?
4283 Posts
4/00
Posted - Nov 16 2003 : 6:08PM
not old enough to Actually be their grandfather.
Tom Byron
Evolution Erotica

344 Posts
9/02
Posted - Nov 16 2003 : 6:58PM
Hey Trish, what about this:

John would be the GREAT - grandfather of Guy Capo - Evolution!

TonyC
Comstock Films

2523 Posts
8/03
Posted - Nov 16 2003 : 7:28PM
Somewhere CD is looking down and smirking.

-T.C.

Bill All-Star Supporter
All-Star Member

5334 Posts
6/00
Posted - Nov 16 2003 : 8:32PM
So it's actually the "One Degree of Patrick Collins". Looks like he let a lot of great talent get away.
~STuarT~
Smash Pictures

373 Posts
2/03
Posted - Nov 16 2003 : 8:52PM
This thread is to funny and has me busting up laughing. I'll leave at that instead of brewing the truth in how I really feel. I'll just say whats up to my dogs Dion & Tommy...

Cheers to you,

Stuart(formely of Elegant Angel too....)

constance le
Member

212 Posts
10/02
Posted - Nov 16 2003 : 10:15PM
i'm glad to see somebody's laughing. so... it's turning out to be quite the incestuous clusterfuck, eh?

-con (also formerly employed by patrick collins)

 
Mike Quasar
Zero Tolerance

Reluctant pornographer
1765 Posts
7/01
Posted - Nov 17 2003 : 12:13AM
It's been a long time but.......
didn't working for Pat Collins suck sometimes?

Like I said, it's been a long time. Maybe it was actually heaven on earth but I blocked some of it out for some reason.

Quaze

jrv
Senior Member

1266 Posts
2/03
Posted - Nov 17 2003 : 1:44AM
As a fan I notice two things: first he can't seem to retain people, and second, Elegant seems to run hot & cold. There are stretches where Elegant produces good product and stretches where they're MIA.

I've assumed for a while that Patrick hires some good people and then goes away for a while, and good product appears. Then he comes back and everyone quits and a drought ensues. I certainly don't know what's really going on but that's the way seems.

Right now Elegant is in a deep, deep freeze. I can't remember the last time I looked forward to an upcoming Elegant release. The local store seems to only rarely stock their product.

The only other studio in as much trouble is Anabolic, and they seem to be recovering, although it's not clear they'll ever get back to where they were.

Janitor
Retired

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6409 Posts
11/99
Posted - Nov 17 2003 : 12:21PM
I think you could tie the entire industry together with Three Degrees, maybe Four.
sunchen
Xin Vision

The Spiteful, Delightful Eyeful
433 Posts
10/03
Posted - Nov 18 2003 : 6:39PM
I agree. From what I hear and know I don't necessarily think it's just a Patrick Collins thing, but more of the entire porn community is separated by at MOST 6 degrees.

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jrv
Senior Member

1266 Posts
2/03
Posted - Nov 19 2003 : 6:15PM
Closer to true than you think...

Mathematicians have long had an Erdös number, which is their "degrees of separation" from the mathematician Paul Erdös. See this . If you wrote a paper with Erdös your number is 1. If you wrote a paper with someone whose Erdös number is 1 then your number is 2. And so forth...

Closer to home is the Bacon number, which is the "degrees of separation" of actors from Kevin Bacon. See this. You can ask it to compute the Bacon number for people in the IMDB: Ron Jeremy has a Bacon number of 2 (appeared in Reindeer Games with Charlize Theron, who appeared in Trapped with Kevin Bacon).

As for Steph's suggestion of few degrees of separation within porn: of the 606,429 people in IMDB, 84% have a Bacon number of 3 or lower, and 98.65% have a number no more than 4. The average Bacon number across the entire IMDB is only 2.9(!).

The separation within porn seems likely to be smaller since there is a smaller core of active people and they produce so much more than mainstream Hollywood.




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