But I get the feeling that many girls has never even tried anal... and never will...
"The pussy is bullshit - all about the big bucks" - Alicia Alighatti
"Come on! A real girl knows how to swallow!" - Gia Paloma Or Katjas post in this thread... I admire these girls for their hardcore mentality, way more than any 'perfect' looking girl.
I don't agree with the topic starter and some posters. I'm a huge fan of anal sex. When I'm watching an adult movie most of the sex must be anal. Luckily lots of gonzo movies are anal-themed today. Double Penetrations (DP, DPP and DAP) only make a movie nastier (and better). I also prefer scenes were three or more guys have sex with a women. So it's great that there are lots of movies today with very hard and nasty sex because that's the reason why I like watching porn. If you don't like this there are enough movies (also gonzo movies) with "normal" sex acts. It's great that porn fans can choose.
First, my thanks to Broncster for starting a thread that finally convinced me to join in after months of lurking about. Now here's my 2 cents:
The notion that a girl who doesn't do anal is "lame" and is somehow "faking" her way through a scene is silly at best. Fakeness is actually one of my main problems with anal scenes, where the girl is usually just grimacing her way through and is obviously just doing it for the paycheck- "The pussy is bullshit, all about the big bucks"…..That just about says it all, whether the guy who posted the quote realizes it or not.
I watch porn for hardcore, aggressive sex. The main problem with anal is that it too often turns the scene into a circus act where the guy has to slow down to a snail pace while the girl has a look on her face like she’s getting a colonoscopy. That is not my definition of HOT sex.
And don’t get me started on the so called “anal diet” that I’m sure has helped melt away many delicious curves off my favorite girls.
Ultimately, I don’t get this fascination with anal sex. I’ve had a handful of experiences with girls who allowed it, and I can easily say I prefer the feel of a pussy to that of the rectum. Moreover, if there was an exotic aura to the whole thing back when anal started catching on, by now it has lost all it’s novelty. Now it just bores the crap out of me. That doesn’t mean that is should be banned from porn,but it surely doesn’t deserve to be a mandatory part of mainstream vids. Nor should a girl be made to feel that she’s not hardcore unless she takes it up the ass! That, my friends, is simply ridiculous.
I really like the idea of b/g/g DP where (duh) one of the ladies is getting DP'd and the other has a strap-on. But I also think that DP in general is hot.
I also think the assertion somewhere on Page 2 that DP is demeaning is a bit of an overgeneralization. threesomebody, a woman who's not a performer says she enjoys it. I'm certain there are other women who fantasize about and/or enjoy DPs in a way that's all about their pleasure, just like most straight guys love the idea of being with two hot girls. Of course, it can be done demeaningly, but so can one-on-one vaginal intercourse.
posts like these are soooo good on the ego;) especially since really compare to most girls in porn, i have quite a big butt!
i do agree on the fact that everything is to focused on anal and dp, i quite enjoy it, but i still prefer a good pussy sex, i prefer watching and doing it over anal.
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What are you looking at? It 2452 Posts 3/05
Posted - Jun 8 2006 : 12:02AM
It is porn, after all, what do you expect to see her do 'with' her ass in an anal-themed flick? Just shake it around & wave it in front of her male counterpart?? If that's the case, buy a music video of Shakira or Beyonce, etc.
What else is 'porn' that focuses on the derriere supposed to represent? Porn, afterall, is about fucking, whether it be with a baseball bat, a real live cock (or two), or a dildo, etc.
Gangbangs are pretty much already in a series of their own. I can't recall seeing to many videos where a girl isn't getting nailed by 4-5 or more guys without it being evident that this is going to happen somewhere on the boxcover. I'm sure they're out there, but the majority of such titles seem to be consistent.
An 'A' is an 'A'...in this case, it stands for "anal".
A moderate ass on a skinny girl is like a giant ass on a medium-sized girl ... Totally hot if you ask me. The line is called "Ass Worship," not "Monstertruck Worship."
I, for one , am totally sick of such a focus on anal themes in the industry. I can certainly understand there being a market for it, but so much of the time the girl looks like she's in pain, and personally, I don't need to see that to get off. How many scenes have you seen where it starts off great, and then it becomes "time for the anal/dp", and the energy is just sucked out of the scene. The whole vibe changes.
This should be "niche porn", not the main focus of the industry.
If it were a niche, this would be niche porn. But, apparently, there's a huge market for it, in all its many variations. People dig it. If you don't want to see it, then stay away from titles like "Cum filled Asshole Overload."
And while I agree that there are some scenes where the girl is having a hard time (and some people happen to like that particularly) from what I can tell, many of the girls prepare for this and manage it pretty well, even doing a pretty good job of acting like they really enjoy it.
Anal sells well because if you want to buy porn it's hard to get away from it. You hardly have a choice. I don't like anal at all, but I have a lot of general vids that feature it simply because my favorite girls were in them. And I fast forward through the anal parts all the time.
Please stop posting the argument that "people dig it" and that we live in a capitalistic society which by the standards of some implies that there can not be a moral evaluation of the goods being sold and produced. "People" dig a lot of stuff that is total shit, you should keep that in mind.
That being said, I would like to add to the discussion that I think this whole Anal/DP whatever shit is just another sign of the decay of society. Porn wasn't supposed to be about circus acts in the first place. It wasn't even supposed to be purely about sexual intercourse between human bodies. There once was something called erotic, yes even in porn (and rarely today), which was brought to the viewer partly through depiction of sexual acts. Eventually, porn came to collide with what we call "tabu" and a LOT of people jumped on the train and "pushed the envelope" to make money.
Yesterday's porn is now today's afternoon TV and today's porn is now yesterday's freak show and total perversion. Seriously, if that big of a percentage of the male population think it's "hot" that girls have grossly oversized objects stuffed into their various orifices, then there IS DEFINITELY something WRONG. Same goes for throat fucking or whatever.
I'm not specifically against anal, I'm not specifically against singular people having fetishes. I'm against this type of movement that makes what some simply call "rough sex" or "darker side of porn" a standard without even acknowledging that it's crazy and obscene.
WHY WOULD YOU NEED TO SEE 2 OR 3 DICKS PENETRATING ONE SINGLE WOMAN TO BE SEXUALLY AROUSED AT A HIGHER LEVEL. Nowhere in the history of mankind has this ever been the case. NOWHERE!! And now it is the case. => WHAT THE FUCK!
My point being: The relativist statement that this is all OK and "natural" is purely ignorant. It is ignorant to simply say that different things do it for different people. There is something severely wrong with the direction porn is heading today.
- "So I think it's hot, so what". - "So what bad is actually inherent in anal sex?" You can find the answer by simply activating your television box and watching TV. YOU CAN SEE IT RIGHT THERE WITH YOU EYES.
Ah, the esteemed Dr. Victor Kline... How nice of you to join us!
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Posted - Jun 8 2006 : 6:31PM
What percentage of total porn sales is gonzo? Nobody has a clue, right? It could easily be less than 2%, which makes it a very small niche, and very irrelevant.
And I don't know who Doctor Kline is. In case you were trying to point out that I'm (a) being overly psycho-analytical and (b) over-concerened and analytical with today's society making me look like a (c) hippy on LSD then you are right but I considered it better not to let self-criticism into my post.
An argument against moral relativism and porn might well be worth reading and considering, as would a critique of capitalist society and its tendency to commoditize human relations. But your rant was an imbecilic, shallow shriek devoid of content. Screaming "I don't like this, I don't understand this, ick, ick, ick; ergo you are all fucked up" which is what your argument amounts to, contributes little to the discussion. I also wonder why you're bellowing it here, of all places, where a lot of the posters come to talk about gonzo porn. They (not all obviously, but many), we, I dig it. You don't. This, in itself, is not a problem.
Nobody's arguing that everything is okay if it sells. If you want to convince people of the evil of their ways, consider assembling a more substantive argument.
Nothing says I love you so much as a tongue in the ass. 2884 Posts 1/03
Posted - Jun 8 2006 : 9:40PM
What makes you an authority on what porn was supposed to be about, or was. Big screen porn was testing the limits of society and had to be extra careful about what they depicted, and how. Even at that, there were some remarkable early performances that included anal and dp's. The evolution of sex in cinema is a lot like the evolution of the dunk in basketball. It started out pretty straightforward and kept getting fancier and more exciting, probably peaking with Dr. J. Now it's all ho hum with the occasional circus trick bringing people out of their seats, but a slam dunk at the right moment is always exciting, in porn as well as basketball.
Why do you need to yell? Why does anybody need . . . ? It isn't about need, it is about want. Your arguement doesn't take much modification for saying there should be no porn at all.
You mix what porn and erotica are. It collided with taboo from the beginning. Part of the titillation of even print erotica is that is, by nature, taboo and kept hidden from the prying eyes of society. I believe some society coined the term "pillow novels" or something like that? Neither was "supposed" to be about anything except getting people aroused and getting them off.
Sure people dig "circus acts". And yes, you are right that people like things that are total shit. Does that mean those things should be restricted? Surely you have meatier arguements than that. The "capitalist society" arguement is true. Why you think there cannot be a moral examination because of that is beyond me. These things aren't really mutally exclusive.
You aren't against anything, as long as people label it crazy and obscene? Isn't that another way to say that you would have it banned?
Are you sure your arguements aren't based on emotion and appealing to ignorance?
I don't think that because porn offers a bigger range of services now than earlier, more people somehow realize that they like DPs. That's what I meant when I said I'm not against fetishes; I have fetishes myself like most people.
Because porn is offering a bigger range of services now, people adapt to this and start liking it out of nowhere. If nobody would produce it, nobody would be missing it in the first place. A fetish can evolve from various social etc. factors but not specifically because you watch some porn flick and suddenly you yell "Wow that's hot, I never knew".
We can keep porn and it's niches, the main problem is the evolution of mainstream porn and it's customers. Due to this, a lot of people, unsure about their sexual orientation/preferences, have to resort to mainstream and have to adapt to what it offers. This makes them lose their sexual independence and individuality.
Combined with the fact that OBVIOUSLY when "rough sex" is becoming the standard (and I doubt even 10% of "rough sex" viewers are that rough in their own beds), "rough sex" is not at all about being a little more active in bed. (And by rough sex I mean Anal/DP/Throat fucking etc.) Actually it is a form of violence and disregard for the woman. You might find all kind of excuses how you like to see women "getting a good treatment", in comparison to your average joe fucking. But when this type of unreflected opinion becomes mainstream, it is indicator for big problems ahead.
Another thing is the focussation on penetration and having to clearly see it. So what if there's a hairy man ass in front of the point of penetration. OK, so the director should rather show something of the woman, I agree, but most people here dig extreme closeups. Anal and DP specifically serve the purose of getting to see these 2 orifices penetrated. These extreme closeups also count in the row of what I called rough sex but what is probably better referred to as extreme/taboo sex acts.
Nothing says I love you so much as a tongue in the ass. 2884 Posts 1/03
Posted - Jun 9 2006 : 7:23AM
Now you've decided what most people here like. Quite a sweeping statement. Try confining your opinions to what you like and don't like. You're not qualified to speak for others, and if you did a search on this subject, would find that most people like a mix of shots, and specifically want the woman's face in most of them. I don't know what the purpose of this thread is. A grass roots movement to stamp out anal and dp videos? I don't think that's going to happen. Anal is a nasty act that will always appeal to people. No matter how good the pussy, men always want to check out what's going on in the backdoor. Video sex is more hyper than what we experience in our normal, mundane existences, and anal stands as one of its ideals. As far as DP's go, I have always felt that any woman who's reasonably comfortable with anal would welcome being double penetrated, and it would be high up on her fantasy list. To me, dp's are about the woman, with the men as tools for their pleasure. Maybe in practice it doesn't always work that way, but sometimes fantasies should remain just that. In the end it's all about quality. Be it vag, ass or group, the emphasis should be on having a good time and capturing it well. Those always turn out to be the most satisfying scenes.
yeah four guys on a girl is fairly common now and in general a lot of guys on a girl seems common, i do find it quite strange, other then a locker room i don't think i have ever been around that many guys naked and i would find getting hard under those conditions a bit strange
Do titles with a lot of guys on one girl sell a lot? Is it bcause the "director" wants to get these guys layed, serioulsy, sometimes two one one is hot but more then that is too much.
worst part of DP's today is the angles. I'm tired of the close ups. Some is ok, but the whole scene. I can't tell even tell if the girls happens to have a head or not. I'm mean seriously, I want to see the girl.What ever happened to the side shot. And I'm not talking about 10 seconds then zooming into the girls face. I'm talking about a nice long still camera shot of the side view. And also som dp action where the guy isn't trying to place his leg in a position so that the camera gets right in there. Who cares? Thats fine for a couple of seconds. Get into position as if there was no camers.
I love both anal and dp's. In fact, there are some actresses out there who I really like but I don't buy their vids because I'm disappointed that they don't do anal. Anal is just basic in my opinion. Its the toys that bother me.
But, there is a huge amount of porn being produced. If you don't like anal and dp's that's fine. There's plenty of other stuff out there.
I agree wholeheartedly. I just rented one of the videos from the "Gang Me Bang Me" series put out by Collateral Damage, and I doubt if there was even 60 seconds of "whole body" framing (penetration + woman's face) present in the entire movie . Apparently the genius cameraman hasn't seen any of the thousands of dp-heavy videos put out in the last few years where these this type of angle, whether it be the "45 degrees" or the "from behind" angle, is captured the right way. Otherwise he might have been more creative in his framing instead of just choosing to zoom rapidly from close-ups of the penetration to close-ups of the woman's face ad nauseum. As you said, close-ups in moderation are fine, but they shouldn't be the main way the action is presented. (Of course that's just my opinion. I am but one, humble porn viewer )Here I must respectfully disagree with you, my good man. It's the careful positioning of the male performers - and some of them are very good at it - that minimizes the amount of hairy man ass you'll have to see while at the same time allowing as much of the penetration and woman's body to be seen as possible. I think you get the best angles when the guy on top in either cowgirl or reverse cowgirl DP positions puts his leg up and then leans his torso to the other side as much as he can. This allows the cameraman to capture much more female "full-body" action making both medium shots and close-ups more effective and aesthetically-pleasing in their presentation of the hardcore nitty-gritty. (This does not obviously apply to the 45 degree type of shots where the guy on top should keep the leg down and turn his body slightly outward to allow for a better camera view)
Oh, yeah I'm not talking about the behind shot. I'm talking about the side view. 9 times out of 10 the guy has his leg up. I assume this is because within 10 seconds the camera is going right back to the behind view while in DP. This is what I mean about the not enough side shot. And when they do the side shot its for a very short time, if that, and most times its a kinda slant view, sorta behind and side at the same time. (if that makes any sense)
Total shit by whose judgement? I could sit here all day long and run off a list of all the things I think are total shit but would I necessarily be right?Yes and there's still room for that. I haven't really looked around in the porn section of any stores lately to find out but there should still be some "erotic" content available if you want it badly enough to look for it.
I'm an anal fan myself and there was a time when I had to sift through mountains of porn to find just a couple of good anal titles. It wasn't easy and it wasn't fun but I always found what I was looking for...eventually.
Well, I don't think you have to worry too much about today's hardcore porn being tomorrow's afternoon TV. The moral zealots went crazy when someone's boob was shown on TV for a couple of seconds. As if nobody's ever seen a boob before.Once again, I would ask - by whose standards? How do we know large percentages of men weren't always turned on by such stuff and just didn't feel comfortable expressing themselves in the past?
I'm still kind of at a loss here at what people really expect when they rent or buy porn. Porn is supposed to be "shocking" and "degrading" and "disgusting" or whatever label you want to slap on it to make it a bit more marketable. Personally, I've seen most of it before and they don't have to work too hard to sell the stuff to me. I'm not looking for sanitized porn. I like it in all it's hardcore splendor. I don't like DPs so I don't rent or buy them (if I can help it). And if I get a couple of DPs on a rental, well, I'll just have to live with that, skip 'em and enjoy the scenes I do like. I've never seen a porn that was perfectly suited to my tastes from beginning to end. Sex is such a personal thing - you're never going to find two people who agree completely on every aspect of human sexuality.
But I don't think it's necessary to go saying that there's something "wrong" with people who enjoy this or that. As long as nobody gets hurt and all parties are consenting, why get so worked up about it and rag on other people's tastes?
Well, there you go. Calling people crazy isn't going to get you anywhere. And personally, I don't see how anyone could ever make porn without someone, somewhere defining it as "obscene".I don't, personally.....but I'm all for it if that's someone's thing. I don't need to know the answer to that question in order to continue living a relatively satisfying life. I could sit here from now on and try to figure out why some people are into toes, stockings and so forth but why? I'll never understand it because it's just not my thing. But why would I sit here and whine about it?I'm really curious as to what you're basing all of this on?
broncster2614 wrote:Back to the bitches again, eh? Grow up! I had the pleasure just the other night of watching Terri Summers bounce up and down on Mark Ashley's cock in Cum In My Mouth, I'll Spit It Back In Yours 3 (Devil's Film).
Terri's ass is GORGEOUS!
Lovely scene, too. Lots of chemistry and evident mutual enjoyment.
I love wathing anal movies with gaping and all that stuff. I don't like dp's and groupe scenes that much though.
I do understand why some people are tired of seeing anal if they prefer watching pussy-only scenes. But instead of talking down to anal-fans and telling us about how disgusting they think it is, they should try to convince some of the directors who post in this forum, to make some movies focusing on pussy-fucking.
And another thing: Making a thread called: "So tired of anal and disgusting DP" is not they right way to get some positive response.
Tempting Schoolgirls - review by Captain Jack
Posted - Jun 7 2006 : 5:39AM
When did she say that?
)Here I must respectfully disagree with you, my good man. It's the careful positioning of the male performers - and some of them are very good at it - that minimizes the amount of hairy man ass you'll have to see while at the same time allowing as much of the penetration and woman's body to be seen as possible. I think you get the best angles when the guy on top in either cowgirl or reverse cowgirl DP positions puts his leg up and then leans his torso to the other side as much as he can. This allows the cameraman to capture much more female "full-body" action making both medium shots and close-ups more effective and aesthetically-pleasing in their presentation of the hardcore nitty-gritty. (This does not obviously apply to the 45 degree type of shots where the guy on top should keep the leg down and turn his body slightly outward to allow for a better camera view)
I had the pleasure just the other night of watching Terri Summers bounce up and down on Mark Ashley's cock in Cum In My Mouth, I'll Spit It Back In Yours 3 (Devil's Film). 