I have Skinimax. I flip through and see plenty of softcore flicks. And I always find it funny that their editing and camera angles are so bad that you can often see the clothe placed over the guy's johnson or you can flat out see it tucked away between his legs, far away from penetrating the woman.
But I've always read and heard stories that sometimes, very infrequently mind you, those softcore people actually do it. However, does this have any validity to it or is just a porn urban legend. With the evidence at hand, the only time it looks like the performers might concievably go all the way is in girl/girl scenes.
I remember an interview with Bonita Saint, back before she had her implants. She had done some videos for Penthouse, all softcore. She said on the couples one, the guy ate her out.
Is that in the foursome w. Julia Ann in "Penthouse Forum Letters", because I have this clip. And it's been years since I haven't seen a sock or a cloth on a guy's loin in softcore. Playboy's "Sexy Urban Legends" has put the doubt into my mind many a times, especially when they hire porn performers. Some of Torchlight's productions for DirecTV I'm 99% has some real sex going on, with the scenes sometimes lasting for more than 12 minutes. Recent examples are "Educating Elaina" with Ander Page or "Community Swingers" where internet pinup Mindy Vega has a 15-minute scene with a hunk I later saw her doing hardcore with for her website. BY the way, if Dumbblonde reads this, have you solved the problems finding those DirecTV channels on your cable system ? I launched a request on sreviews forum but didn't get an answer, sorry... (you just HAVE to catch "Secrets of a Secretary", great scene b/w August Night & Rafe ).
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Actually, I have wondered the same myself. However, my concern was mainly about how guys are able to keep 'it' down during the scenes.I've seen this sort of editing in many soft. flicks. Somehow, I think they do it on purpose, showing that sex is not real. Maybe it influences the rating, I don't know.
All I know is that the softcore movies are all on channels 171, 172 & 173. No edited hardcore there, just original softcore movies, mainly by MRG (Robert Lombard) & Torchlight (the ones with the 10 minutes scenes, most of their titles include "wife" or "wives", don't ask me why). I have no idea what a C-Band is. I get these movies from a premium newsgroup. I give them French softcore, they give me US softcore, sometimes we even get German or Hong-Kong softcore, life is beautiful.
Have you seen the British comedy Love Actually ? One of the sub plots is a romance between two softcore adult actors that seems to indicate that it's not as exciting as one might think.
Another way to look at it is that porn actors have little difficulty at being flaccid up to the actual sex act (and sometimes later ) despite the situation.
Every movie that Skeeter and I have ever directed, we have always shot softcore, we do have the people fucking for real! Always, every single time. Every soft core feature I performed in, in the past, I was always getting fucked for real, hundreds of times, 75 percent of the time during softcore, I am really getting fucked in my ass! love always, Bridgette Kerkove xoxo
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bigbadwolf16669 Deactivated User
387 Posts 6/04
Posted - Jun 25 2004 : 10:39AM
Is Softcore Porn is Fake Of course it is i mean you dont even get to see the guys dicks lol and you dont see the dick goin in and out of the girls mouth,pussy and ass lol its 100% fake except they touch each other for real lol
Eeh.. did you perform in softcore softcore? I mean really softcore features which were meant to be only softcore (not porn stripped of hardcore)? If so, can you name the titles. I wouldn't mind checking those out.
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bigbadwolf16669 Deactivated User
387 Posts 6/04
Posted - Jun 25 2004 : 3:32PM
escuse me but softcore is non explicit sex,they dont do it for real only in hardcore movies (porn) they fuck for real.nobody cant make me belive that they do real sex in softcore the only real thing they do is tuching each onther and you cant even see the guys dick lol.I got a question for womens do you like that softcore stuff where you dont even get to see the guys dick OR do you like hardcore porn.
forget about softcore films. what about films like 'wild orchid' where it was actually rumored that carrie otis and mickey rourke were having sex. great film!
I do a ton of those softcore things, and I have never had real sex on those. Usually, you are working with 'mainstream' actors, that are very shy about that, or that don't really want to be doing softcore stuff.
I first read your name as Jack Lynlick thinking who the hell is that.. LOL.. sorry.
A question..
Is real sex generally not allowed (by the producers/directors) or is it smth actors can decide themselves? Suppose.. for example.. a 'mainstream' guy says to you "Let's do it" are you allowed to go at it?
I guess it would depend on the director. I have a director I work closely with that probably wouldn't care. But, I have yet to encounter a guy that would do it. Jackie ( Jacklyn Lick )
I'd be interested to know if you've ever worked with Torchlight Entertainment, whose movies air on DirecTv with mostly silly titles like "Kristy Comes Home" or "Hot Wives Club 2", because their scenes last from 10 to 15 minutes and some of them look pretty real to me (and I'm a seasoned softcore lover so it takes something to off-balance me).
that may be the case in a lot of american softcore features, but in europe in most cases they shoot both a soft and a hardcore version of the same feature at the same set, in these cases there is definatley no sticky patch over the privates. so you may have a though time judging which seconds of a scene, were shot for the softcore version only.
Have any of you seen several TV movies called "The Diary". I think they are French.. and there are 4 of them. I don't know the actors/actresses (as most of them have only appeared in this very title) but the lead's name is Lisa Baumann..
Anyway, in the 3rd or 4th movie (I think) there was a scene where I was almost convinced that sex was real... although not throughout the entire scene. Then at some point the local Tv channel aired the movie again and I recorded it for investigation.. There is a very brief shot there where a girl rides a guy cowgirl style, and the camera shows it from behind/top. You can clearly see girl's ass and guy's balls..but I couldn't see his dick. And the thing is, I thought that judging by camera angle and laws of physics his dick should have been visible from there, unless it was erect.. and possibly inserted. Then again, they could have used some patch.. to fool the viewers.
In any case, it definitely looked very close to unsimulated sex although analisys was inconclusive.
"Carnets Intimes", from the same director as "Total Romance". Yes, it's an erotic mini-series produced by public network M6 for their Sunday night slot, back in the days when they were still investing big budget in erotica. I cant recall the scene you're talking about, production values were high but the sex was quite tame. Also, from memory, the director only employed softcore-only actresses, no XXX crossovers, so I'd be very surprised if something was not simulated.
with all of the marilyn chambers softcore films that were done in the '90s it was hard for me to understand back then. at the time I had no idea that this woman was really the pioneer of the adult film industry. I did see Chloe in some softcore film on cinemax late one night when I was flipping channels. I only stopped because I saw her and wanted to know when cinemax started putting porn on. since she was moaning her head off like she usually does I'm not sure if it was stimulated or if she sounds like that when she's plain aroused.
Okay, I remember that scene. Never noticed the guy's sack be4, but his penis could be taped on his belly or something (yes, sometimes they tape it, but usually they tape it inwards not outwards). The pic is certainly confusing, but if I remember this scene, beyond this detail, they didn't really look like they were having sex, I mean in terms of rhythm, thrusts and depth of stroke. But I can be wrong. It's all about the fantasy, right ?
Yes, exactly. This seems to be the only explanation.. but I mean just to think about it: why would anyone tape a dick to the belly? That's absurd IMO.
As for motion in that scene. Yes, it wasn't particularly realistic though there were some brief thrusts especially while in the spoon position. The scene was also very heavily edited, meaning there weren't any continuous shots from one position for more than a few seconds. Camera was always in some kind of motion.
It certainly looks better than a sock ! Thank God I haven't seen a sock in a loooooooong time in softcore. Also I remember in a scene from "Femalien 2" there was a very explicit shot of an actress' pubes while she was in doggy on a table, and it looked like her lips were stuck together by some sort of invisible patch. That must hurt.
I have been catching up with Torchlight. http://torchlightpictures.blogspot.com "she likes my wife," and "Legal Seduction" both seem to have real b/js because they show you the shadows of them. Watch. Woman kneeling over guy standing and a shadow on the side, like on his leg.
Producer, Director, HBO/Cinemax, International Award Winner. 75 Posts 2/10
Posted - Apr 21 2011 : 12:36AM
I've created/produced/directed 6 seasons of shows for HBO/Cinemax, more than 65 episodes and 14 movies for HBO/Cinemax; "Hotel Erotica" the series, "The Erotic Traveler" the series, "Thrills" the series as well as hundreds of PPV softcore titles. On only one (1) occasion (having shot over 1000 softcore scenes) did actual sex take place and it was between a guy and a girl who did hardcore films so it wasn't much of a stretch. So to answer the original question (at least in my case) sex isn't actually happening in most softcore-only movies. Now I'm talking about movies that were shot "only' in softcore form, NOT hardcore movies in which a softcore version was simultaneously produced. I've now produced and directed many hardcore titles and it's much easier to shoot. One has to be very creative to shoot good softcore and since there isn't "actual sex happening" it's difficult to get realistic representations of... well, sex. The challenge for me as a director is to get good performances from hardcore talent who for the most part tend to be extremely one-dimensional. Some softcore-only talent are fairly descent actors. It continues to be the running challenge to find talent, both male and female, who are excellent actors, great looking (not so "porn" looking) and will do hardcore. That's the Holy Grail of adult movies! Good Thoughts - Gary Orona
Gary, thanks for that intelligent and very informative answer from someone who should know. I go back to the old days of skin flicks and notice very few crossovers from soft to hardcore. Hardcore is a whole different ballgame. Wayne In Dallas
I can add a bit of salacious light to the discussion, though on the subject of still shoots as opposed to filmed ones. Kelly Nichols, who did numerous boy/girl layouts beginning in the late 70s, would frequently boff her partner after the silly simulated stuff was completed. Right there on the set.
I hate it when pornstars like Heather Vandeven, Michelle Maylene etc are repeatedly used in Cinemax/HBO softcores, because you know they are pornstars which rather ruins the fantasy. I like it when lesser known mainstream models are used (eg. Jennifer Korbin). Perhaps the rates for pornstars are cheaper and they dont need any "training".
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Posted - May 26 2011 : 3:00PM
There is an old soft core and then there is new softcore and then politically correct ( US mostly) softcore and then there is something like this: http://www.boundheat.com/videogal.php This is what is stated: Experience the twisted world of white slavery and young lesbian women in prison. Films absolutely raw and uncensored. My view a lot better then the lame "Cinemax and the likes":) Anyone wants to add their two cents??
About 10 years ago, maybe more, it was almost impossible to buy Hardcore movies in Britain, as the censors did not allow it. However, you did get some hardcore movies that were edited for the British market. There was alot of zooming into the background, a cut to some flowers, etc.. Private was a major studio that had the "British Cut". The British cut was sold to markets not only in Britain but the U.S. as well. And I do recall an interview with the director, and apparently they shot the scene with additional angles for British audiences. In these angles, penetration was not visible. So, I guess in theory that some softcore movies may actually be hardcore. There was one American softcore film back in the 90s, not sure of the name, but I was absolutely sure it was hardcore. Of course, there's no real way of proving it...
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bakerboy Deactivated User
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Posted - Mar 14 2012 : 6:53AM
UK always had censors, after all it is the oldest democracy :(
Just another bare bum in the shiower 1739 Posts 12/04
Posted - Mar 14 2012 : 8:47AM
It was interesting to hear Kaylani Lei speak at AEE in January where she said that she had made as many soft core movies as she had hardcore and that the main difference was that soft core was "dry humping".
Just another bare bum in the shiower 1739 Posts 12/04
Posted - Mar 14 2012 : 9:53PM
In next month's Playboy John Hamm says being a set dresser on a soft core set was for him one of the most depressing jobs in Hollywood. Well, at least he didn't have to wipe up cum or pick up condoms. Edited by - cuddly wombat on 3/14/2012 9:54:18 PM
I used to watch lots of softcore "Skinemax" movies a years ago when the "Scream Queens" like Shannon Tweed, Julie Strain, Juli K. Smith, Glori-Ann Gilbert, Monique Parent, etc. starred in them. The pornstars tend to do more realistic sex scenes because they aren't afraid of their body parts touching or rubbing against each other but the movies they star in aren't as good as the old softcore stuff. The older movies were better written. I'm also very tired of seeing the same 4 or 5 porngirls always cast in these movies. In the beginning they were using lots of different pornstars but now it's the same 5 or so girls cast in every movie. As far as movies/girls having (almost)actual sex in a softcore movie....The three that come to mind that don't star pornstars all star softcore actress Maria Ford. In NIGHT CALLS: THE MOVIE 2, THE KEY TO SEX, I LIKE GAMES TOO, all have simulated sex scenes where Maria is agressively rubbing her bare muff against the mouth and face of her male co-stars. Also in THE KEY TO SEX Maria is very clearly licking the shaved muff of one of her female co-stars and in some shots it looks like she spread the girl's lips to put her tounge inside her. With all 3 of those movies the newer versions have those acts editing out.
Few movies from director tinto brass , e.g. Caligula (directors cut version ) and all ladies do it ,I am not sure in which category you can put them in.blowjob scenes are just like hardcore movies and if you notice in group sex scenes you can find camera angles showing you some hardcore but the movie is softcore story based movie ,so entire movie is softcore but you can still find hardcore if you ar watching movie without using fast forward button. I have not seen any movies from other directors similar to tinto brass. I believe it makes good business sense to shoot story based hardcore movie with two different camera angles.so with one shoot you have two versions of movie which can address different audience.two different places to sell,softcore can be released worldwide and hardcore into Internet.so with single movie ,studios can get more money as they are addressing two different audiences and covering wider range .studios can double the money with one movie release by making two versions of it. Japanese wife next door was one of the best sellers on amazon ,it falls into a range somewhere in between softcore and hardcore as even with mosaic covering ,you can still see actually the penetrations and blowjob clearly.
The people have spoken. I'm a nitpicking dick. Woo! 8751 Posts 1/04
Posted - Oct 30 2012 : 9:14PM
[Image not found DB] This was a recent Hegre Art photo set where they implied Mike and Flora were really having sex. Mike's schlong, though, was a little hard to keep hidden.
The Tinto Brass movies are interesting to me in that they come so close to hardcore without quite going there and then out of the blue there'll be a hardcore scene. I wonder if he'd like to show more than he does but the actresses he works with all draw the line at different things they'll do. I've seen some like Serena Grandi not really showing much while others Like Claudia Koll (ALL LADIES DO IT) having the camera spend a lot of time showcasing her anus. Others have tons of open legged muff shots. But actually think if Brass actualy did a full on hardcore movie it wouldn't be as interesting for me to watch. For me part of the appeal is watching his stuff wondering how far he'd go, how he got the women to do it, and how the male actors can stand being that close to actual sex without getting all worked up.
Lesbian Superstars 5 - review by Captain Jack
Posted - Jun 23 2004 : 11:43PM
