Fascinating. I can't believe that Sony would be that stupid. Then again, they missed the boat once before. This definitely changes the landscape in the format wars, that's for sure.
Sony can't do shit to stop anyone from recording anything they like on a blu-ray disc. So I for one would not even bother to lose sleep over this. Matter of fact, just like with tape recorders in the early eighties, it might do well for them to encourage the porn market use of blu-rey technology. It's the porn industry that made VCR so popular.
Writable Blu-Ray discs would be too expensive to use, and from that thread it sounds like Sony are the only ones who can replicate Blu-Ray at the moment.
Sony may have bought Blu-Ray an advantage by using it in the PS3, but trying to censor what's made available in the early adoption phase and exclude XXX material could destroy the format before it even got off the ground.
I can't believe they'd be that stupid. I certainly hope they won't be, as I'd rather see Blu-Ray win than HD-DVD.
That UMD movies are a flop is, IMHO, neither here nor there.
Sure they can. Sony is the company that will license the rights to replicators to be able to produce Blu-Ray product. They can easily put a "no adult content" clause into those agreements.
I agree that it would be pretty stupid as handing adult content over to the HD-DVD side could be suicide for Blu-Ray.
Keep in mind that Sony hasn't done anything like this yet. The link is just one man's opinion of what could happen.
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Darth-Morpheous Deactivated User
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Posted - Apr 23 2006 : 2:17PM
If Sony did this, HD-DVD would have another advantage. I didn't think so 6 months ago but I think HD-DVD will win the war. Earlier release, much cheaper hardware, more studios announcing that they will release in both formats, and now Sony not allowing porn on Blu-Ray, is going to be too much to overcome for BD. The only real advantage of Blu-Ray is that it holds more. I don't remember hearing anyone complaining about 2 disc sets on DVD. Why would they care now.
This story is false. Digital playground would've only gone with the format if they'd been in talks with Sony regarding authoring etc. There is lots of dirty tactics happening and it looks like Toshiba is throwing this stuff around.
I remember them very well. There are two very big reasons why Betamax failed as a format, and neither had to do with porn per se. The first was the initial refusal to believe that anyone would want to record anything longer than 15 minutes, the second and probably what ultimately killed it was the exorbitantly high licensing fees Sony charged. Porn was also available on Betamax, just not to the extent of VHS.
Well Sony invented both VHS and Betamax formats. However, many more options were available for VHS. Not everybody can afford (or want) top of the line. Not everybody is a videophile, and would rather have the ability to record an entire football game and not just basketball. Proprietary is not loved by anybody except the holder of the license.
Darth, people have complained about two-dvd sets. It just isn't the biggest issue.
Some people say DVDs took longer to catch on because of the lack of adult material. Then again, the industry may have felt burned by the CD-Rom thing.
That's correct. JVC invented VHS and licensed it to other manufacturers. Sony invented Beta and kept exclusive rights to the patent (until it was really too late, then they tried licensing it to other manufacturers).
Because the two companies went this route, when people went to the store, they saw about 10 VHS machines on the store shelf for every Beta machine that they saw. That caused VHS to take the lead. Once VHS took the lead, video stores started carrying more copies of VHS movies than they carried of Beta movies.
From there, it was all downhill for Beta as a consumer format, even though the quality of Beta was superior to that of VHS.
I thought JVC bought rights to the underlying technology from Sony.
Why would a Beta tape be worth anything if the player isn't? I actually have an unopened tape or two, so I am curious what to do with the thing besides filling a garbage dump.
I know a few years ago a few people would have spent money on a Beta vcr in good condition, if only to transfer the contents of their collection.
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jamesnadt Deactivated User
cambridge, ma 152 Posts 2/06
Posted - Apr 24 2006 : 5:48AM
what's the point of this stuff? video's reached a point where it's at a law of diminishing returns for people's visual-processing to make it better. frankly, mpeg-4 is indistiguishable from dvd to 99% of people on a decent lcd and pretty close to reality, avsforum/doom9/etc artifacting claims are hilariously psychosomatic sometimes.
it's not going to be a great storage medium in a few years for archival use either.rip apart a next-gen player and you've got a computer, the toshiba's are just some ddr2700 and an old mobile p4. they keep fighting and adoption's slow enough, optical storage is going to seem pretty retarded in a year or two in the land of multi-tb drives and bigger cheaper lcd monitors.
sony shit the bed staying proprietary with ATRAC3 in the start of the mp3 player era, hope they do it again.
You know very well the point is consumerism - convincing people that this stuff is wanted or needed. And I have maintained from the begining that the content is no better, so there is little point much of this. Controversy sparks interest. Hopefully leading to sales.
But you still need a delivery medium until the relevant consumers all have an Internet connection fast enough to download the 4 gigs a movie needs in an acceptable timeframe.
(I hope the net's backbone will be able to sustain those loads when such connections are commonplace.)
You can fit more video on a blu-ray/HD-DVD, not just higher-quality. One obvious application would be supercomps.
I dunno about anyone else, but I'd rather see longer movies than higher res (Sure, higher res would be nice too). Assuming that authoring costs eventually sink to near-DVD levels, might we see the birth of a new niche (or even standard), superlong porn?
I don't know enough about the biz to speculate about the cost/pricing issues involved.
Longer doesn't mean better. One of my complaints about 2 Disc sets is that some people were doing them just to say they did not because they actually had enough decent footage to actually require one.
As to who wins the war?
I am going with HD-DVD.
For no other reason then name recognition.
Either way I have no plans on getting one of the new players until a few years from now. My DVD collection is already in the 1300's why on earth would I want to buy extra copies of movies I already own. Much less doing so at a higher price then I paid the first time.
If Sony fails to release Adult titles on Blu-Ray or just goes with the "softer" companies then they will lose the format wars yet again. It doesn't matter how much better the format is if people can buy 50 different movies a month on HD DVD and only 10 different movies a month on Blu-Ray which to you think they will choose?