I was just watching a scene with a pornstar that I've always found attractive and go out of my way to watch her scenes. I've always wondered why she never became a big name and it finally hit me that she is only a "so-so" performer. I was so taken by how she looks I blinded by the fact that while she's a solid performer she's nothing special. How about you guys? Any pornstars out there you think are so hot or goodlooking you don't mind that they are only so-so in their scenes? Or maybe you're so taken with them you don't even realize they do lackluster scenes. I'm that way with Tera Patrick and Jesse Jane.
interesting topic!....hmmm...well the one that i think of first is allie sin........when she first came on the scene, her body & look were so BANGABLE that i did not even notice she was a terrible performer.....i just was shocked this girl was doing porn.....but then soon after the novelty wore off i realized she is not into the action in any of her scenes i still have a couple of her boxcover DVDs....bakers dozen #3 and just over eighteen #12....i can enjoy them to a certain extent because she looks sooooo good in them. but i have not gone out of my way to check out more of her scenes because of that lack of heat i have noticed.....i suspect other guys who have noticed her have gone thru this same cycle, hehehe
and actually when i think about it i DO MIND that their performances are not all that great....in the end i prefer the hot performance over the striking bodies......when i want to get off watching some action i am putting on performers who actually get into it and make a good scene....jasmine lynn, belladonna, claire robbins, etc.
I prefer looks over performance. If I am not attracted to the girl it doesn't matter how good her performance. For example Audrey Hollander does nothing for me but I see good comments about her performances here. Whereas Amy Ried(or Reid) gets negative comments about her energy but she is hot as hell. She could just about lay there as far as I'm concerned. BTW, I've never seen Jesse Jane give a bad performance.
I agree with you Knocko. Allie Sin & Nicky Reed are hot looking girls, they just don't light up the scene with passion though. Another one comes to mind, I love Simony Diamond. Well, I prefered her in her earlier days. Great face & body, did the hard stuff which I liked, but I just feel that she could have given more of a performance. Edited by - UKDave on 8/11/2007 3:48:17 PM
This is a great topic. The three that come to mind are some of the original Vivid girls. Raquel Darrian- Unbelievable body. Maybe the best ass. She just laid there. Lexus Locklear- Unbelievable face but never performed Lori Michaels- Maybe the best natural boobs ever. Girl next door face. Never passionate enough. I have probably scene every one of their scenes. Maybe a couple scenes impressed me.
Lexus Locklear, Kira Kenner, Brooke Banner, Krystal Steal... I could watch these girls all day long. But they have had a tendency to be a little boring.
I haven't really seen her give a "bad" performance either but I don't think she's an especially explosive performer either (but it's all a matter of taste/opinion). That's why I threw her name out there. Then again it's kinda unfair of me to judge because most of the stuff I've seen her in is that DIGITAL PLAYGROUND artsy fartsy slo-mo stuff I don't particularly like.
I think the beauty/body are the thing that attracts you initially to a performer..and if they do a smokin hot scene from the outset fantastic...but maybe one of the great things about porn is watching that person grow and hoping with each new release that "ultimate" scene has arrived?it's kind of how my relationship with amy reid is going right now too.. [:p)] my point being...i agree performance isn't the be all and end all with the appeal of porn to me.Seeing the latest cutest beauty on the block is just as good. Edited by - ukbadboy on 8/12/2007 8:39:56 PM
I had heard stories about fans like back attack but had no idea they actually existed... I agree with whoever mentioned Krystal Steal. In fact, myself and a friend just had a hilarious conversation about her cum-dodging prowess. But to answer the question: Exotica. No matter what she does, she gets a "pass" from me.
My list of 10, and issues,are: Jana Cova (she only does g/g) Monique Alexander (poor choice of partners) Carmen Luvana (poor choice of partners & bad direction) Stefani Morgan (poor choice of partners) Julia Ann (still has it after all these years, suffers from bad direction) Casey Parker (needs a good director) Dani Woodward (nobody has been able to capture her essence) Tawny Roberts (retired, terrible career choices, only Great scene was with Gina Lynn) Lexie Marie (retired, terrible partner choices like Tommy Gunn) Janine (I have to make sure I don't see her tats)
In a lot of cases it's mostly a matter of the girl working for the right director or company. Another star for me that comes to mind is Chasey Lane. Again, not a "bad" performer but if you manage to get past her good looks I think her performaces are nothing special but I can watch her all day even if she isn't performing a sex scene. When she wasn't a contract girl any more and made her comeback I figured she'd turn it up a few notches but she's basically the same performer she always was. After thinking about it the majority of my list includes contract girls and big boob queens. For whatever reason lots of girls if they have good looks or big breasts they figure that's enough and don't go out of their way to put much heat into their scenes it seems.
To me sexual performance and looks go hand in hand. I've passed that stage where I only go for the Looks,performance now means a lot. For example I tried to be a fan of Nina Mercedes and waited and waited for her to unleash herself.The results were just the same and all I saw was one dud performance after another,until I gave up on her.She simply does not know how to fuck and thats final. Another one was Devon,I tried to follow her career,and despite her now being 30 years old,her performances continue to get worse and worse. The good thing about Today is,we actually do have some chicks who bothe Look hot and can also Perform. Examples are Audrey Bitoni,Carmel Moore,GINA MOND,Bree Olson and the Veteran Gina Lynn. With these names in mind,I won't waste a penny on a chick who may look hot but is a sleeping Tablet performer.
This is a good topic. I've always chased particular gals in my purchasing/renting. I used to be more swayed by looks, but have gradually given more and more weight to performance. I'm still nothing like the typical ADT forumgoer, who I think values performance/nastiness far more than I, but that's the direction I'm traveling. But, instead of relaxing about looks, I've become more discriminating overall. I find the knocks on Chasey Lain a bit odd. Maybe I just haven't seen enough of her, but she's never struck me as a poor performer; she's not particularly nasty (she'd be much more entertaining taking facials), but she's never seemed uninterested to me, which I equate more with performance than I equate nastiness with performance. I think a lot of her scenes suffer from direction and editing and production values, more than her performance. But then, I'm different from (what I perceive as) the typical ADTer in that I don't like very aggressive female performers. Tory Lane leaves me cold, and the few scenes I saw of Sasha Grey didn't blow my skirt up. I like a more laid back, "feminine" performance, more sensuality than adrenaline. Those nasty sneers, manlike dirty talk, etc., don't turn me on at all. There are exceptions, like Rebeca Linares; she manages to pull the aggressive thing off well (but there's a disarming and very genuine playfulness/spunkiness about her performances too). It's just stupid to me when gals feel the need to act as if every stroke of every scene is heaven cubed, even when the guy is modestly endowed and short-stroking it like he's on Thorazine. Heavy breathing and some sighing and whispering go a long way, no need for constant hyperbole. When I perceive a laid-back performer as faking it, that's when I hit FF; big difference between lower key and clock-watching. Then there's the occasional gal who's so laid back she's dead. Oh yeah, the topic! Tawny Roberts? Tanya Russof? Monica Cameron? Envy? Amy Reid? Jenni Lee? Kayden Kross? Nikki Reed? Shay Jordan? Silvia Saint? All questions because there's a limit. Edited by - john_qyoo_public on 11/22/2007 9:50:55 PM
Like I mentioned before, I don't think girls like Jesse Jane and Chasey give "bad" performances but I don't think they're particularly exciting once you get past "Wow! Look at this beautiful girl having sex!". It will always come down to personal taste and expectataions. There are names people have thrown out that I don't agree with as well. And as a side note to Jesse Jane scenes....Jesse might be a far better performer than I give her credit for but the only movies I've seen her in is the DIGITAL PLAYGROUND stuff that Celeste makes that are all in that "slo-mo" mode with no natural sound that I find annoying. I guess there's a big audience for that stuff since they continue to make them but I'm no fan. It's the reason I only own about 2 or 3 movies with JJ even though I'm a fan of hers.
I love her. I have to agree with back attack in some respects. I tend to go for various girls based on how attractive I find them. This is almost an overriding tendency, however, I can't watch someone act like a dead fish. I want some proficiency and a solid scene. The girls needs to give a good performance, but it doesn't have to be oscar material (or Rog material, as the case may be). Frankly, many of the favorites around here do nothing for me and a lot of the girls who become "stars" kind of bore me. I mean, as great as they are perceived, how many times can you watch the same girl doing the same basic (or advanced) moves. I just lose interest. This probably partially explains why I like seeing different new girls as they come out and why I like the younger girl films. All of this said, I too have stars I particularly like and stick with.
With me when it comes to good looking girls doing scenes there are levels. If I think the girls is goodlooking enough there's a big part of me that doesn't care that she's not an especially strong performer. For example... LEVEL E: I think Victoria Valentino is one of the best looking women I've seen in or out of porn. But so far even though she seems to be improving her scenes are pretty unexciting. I may be totally wrong but she seems to be the type of performer that guys have to be real gentle and particular with. I'd imagine she has a long lists of things you can't do with her. But I still like seeing her because she's so pretty. If she was average looking or less I'd be bored by her. LEVEL D: Chasey Lain seems enjoy sex but doesn't like taking things too far or like it too "agressive". I think she's a solid performer but never blows me away. I think lots of contract girls usually perform at this level. LEVEL C: I've seen a few people comment that Kira Kenner isn't really a great performer and to a certain extent I can see that but what sets her apart from someone like Chasey or Victoria is that she allows guys to really give it to her. Guys can be much more "agressive" with her and she handles it. Any girl like that doesn't warrant being called a "poor" or "weak" performer in my book. But the performance level will mostly depend on the guy. LEVEL B: Kelly Stafford does extreme stuff and never appears to say no to anything but in my opinion Kelly never gives off the vibe that she loves it and has to have it. She's more of "Do anything to me, I don't mind it type. I think she likes sex a lot but seems to have fun doing it instead of being passionate or turned on by it. It usually ends up being a good scene but not as good as it could be. LEVEL A: Rebecca Linaries is my example of a perfect performer. She seems to want it and need it badly. If the guy isn't doing it good enough she'll get agressive and drain the guy dry and wear him out. In my mind she can't do a bad scene because she's just so sexual even if the guy is lame or it's shot badly she makes up for it with her burning sexuality. Of course many will disagree with me on those views but that's how I rank great/sexy looking girls and their performances. Most girls I see fit somewhere on that chart. Edited by - draxxx on 11/23/2007 2:45:17 PM
I would say, Simony Diamond Shakra Blue Wiska Amy Reid (As beautiful as she is but always has the same blank facial expression in her scenes) Lanny Barbie (Same blank expression) Tia Tanaka. ___Eurobabes Rule!!!!
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Yeah, I know what you mean. And I have to concur with jrsl:I too find that fresh chicks get my dander up the way familiar, but hotter ones don't.Jesse Jane, Shay Jordan, Kayden Kross; all gorgeous (well, Jesse Jane's bod anyway), but I refuse to pay for that MTV slo-mo bullshit. I HATE soft lighting, HATE slo-mo, and HATE when the soundtrack is music-only. Why do they do that stupid shit? Hello, 21st century! MULTIPLE audio streams, people! You can author a DVD with a live sound stream, a music-only stream, and a combination stream as well if you really want to be thorough (though I fail to see the point of music at all since anyone who wants spank music probably can supply his own). For that matter, if they really MUST release that superfiltered crap, can't they at least release a "raw" cut too without all the hocus-pocus?
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Posted - Nov 23 2007 : 9:27PM
Yeah. Her scene with Rocco was pretty hot but I've never really seen her drilled (though Rocco took her as close as I've seen her). Then again, drilling of beautiful /superhot women seems very rare in porn, at least in my experience. Amy Reid's scene with Jack Venice in Out of Control is a great example of an exception. I wish every scene was like that, with a superhot chick going "goddamn, fuck that pussy" and the guy really putting his back into it for extended periods of time, not just the 5 seconds before the money shot. The funny thing is, Penny Flame managed to get performances more in this direction in all of her scenes in that movie, to a much greater extent than I see it elsewhere. Is it direction? Casting? Both? I don't know, but she put 95% of the porn I've seen (probably about 500 flicks) to shame with OOC, and she did it without a lot of fake-nasty bullshit. Plus, most of the scenes take place on a bed. Frankly, this is the way it should be, far more than it is now. Hard to drill a pussy when the gal's up on a Ferrari, on stairs, in a pool, on linoleum, etc.Now you've got me interested. Care to list some of the scenes where she takes a drilling?She's a rare gem, no doubt about it. She seems to live what so many of the other "hardcore & nasty" gals I read about, then see, only seem to fake/aspire to on camera. Plus she's petite, (head to toe and naturally) gorgeous, PLUS she manages to remain feminine and likeable throughout. Edited by - john_qyoo_public on 11/23/2007 9:36:50 PM
Well If you check out Amy Reids work she put in her last Films for Jules Jordan you will notice a marked improvement. She really got into the action and is a much better performer now. But Rebeca Lineries is just sensational. She has such fire in her Belly and she hates weak scenes. She likes to yell at her Male co-star if he's just going through the motions. Jesse JANE is not naturally a bad performer but she always shoots with poor directors,and her scenes are marred by poor shooting and they lack any Knock Out punches. Edited by - messhuga on 11/23/2007 11:30:03 PM
Jesse Jane, Shay Jordan, Kayden Kross; all gorgeous (well, Jesse Jane's bod anyway), but I refuse to pay for that MTV slo-mo bullshit. I HATE soft lighting, HATE slo-mo, and HATE when the soundtrack is music-only. Why do they do that stupid shit? Hello, 21st century! MULTIPLE audio streams, people! You can author a DVD with a live sound stream, a music-only stream, and a combination stream as well if you really want to be thorough (though I fail to see the point of music at all since anyone who wants spank music probably can supply his own). For that matter, if they really MUST release that superfiltered crap, can't they at least release a "raw" cut too without all the hocus-pocus?
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That's a good point. They should offer two versions of those movies or at least not do the slo-mo thing every time. I'll see a new Jesse Jane movie come out and I just get annoyed that it's her in scenes I don't want to see. I often wonder if those movies sell because of the slo-mo stuff or because of the girls in them. I have yet to hear anyone say they like the slo-mo elevator music stuff.
In the case of VIVID I think they tend to cut ceratin things out if it gets past a certain point. In the Chasey/Rocco scene I sorta remember Rocco about to do some things with Chasey and the camera cut away. Also when Savanna Samson was on Howard Stern once she was asked about preforming certain acts and she said she does but she didn't know if they ended up in the movie.Now you've got me interested. Care to list some of the scenes where she takes a drilling?
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I don't know if you'd call them "drilling" but I think in general Kira has more agressive sex than Chasey. Maybe she doesn't always appear to be that into it but guys do her harder than they do someone like Chasey. I can't remember the movie or who she did the scene with but one scene that sticks out in my mind was one where she was by the pool and she was in the reverse cowgirl (I think that's what it's called) and the guy was really giving it to her and she was bouncing up and down pretty hard and out of control. The whole scene wasn't at that level but for a few minutes I thought she was taking it fairly hard. In my mind I go back and forth on who I like seeing more Chasey or kira. I think Chasey (in her day) was prettier but Kira scenes were usually just a bit better even though Chasey seemed to be into it a bit more.
This seems a bit off topic, but to answer your question: they sell very well. I don't knock slo-mo and music in porn. There are a few porn directors (& companies) who are trying to create as professional a product--by mainstream standards--as possible. This means excellent photography, effective use of camera angles, building up the sexual tension by effective editing--and, yes, effective use of music to enhance the sexual action on screen. I respect directors/companies who try to create porn at this level. Bottom line: if companies believed slo-mo and "elevator music" (your words) cost them sales, they'd stop doing it.
That's a great answer but I don't think it has much to do with my original comments. I know that stuff sells well because like you point out if it didn't they would've stopped doing it. I never claimed it didn't sell well or asked if it did. But I tend to think it does well because of the girls starring in them more than the actual look and vibe of it. I may be totally wrong but I'd guess if they put just any unknown average looking pornstar in those types of movies they wouldn't be as bigger sellers. Also, as mentioned I think it would be a good idea and possibly increase sales if there was a less artsy fartsy (no slo-mo or elevator music) version along with that version. I think visually that stuff looks great with the settings and lighting and such. I can appreciate the look and beauty of that product but the slo-mo and no natural sound aspect turn lots of people off. If they would put out two version of those films one with the slo-mo elevator music and one with natural speed and sounds I'd put my money on the natural speed and sound one to sell better. But like I say, I could be totally wrong... Edited by - draxxx on 11/24/2007 4:56:32 PM
brigitta bulgari for me. when she started doing hardcore she was pretty horrible in every scene. now she has gotten a lot better but i still like those old horrible scenes. Edited by - kataboom on 11/25/2007 1:34:23 AM
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Posted - Nov 24 2007 : 5:21PM
Do the sell better than porn with similar production values and talent, but without the stupid slo-mo and muzak? I just received a couple of Shay Jordan rentals in the mail, Scream and All American Girl. The two have similar production levels and talent, but the latter is slo-mo/muzak and the former is not. I only had a few minutes to FF preview the two movies yesterday, but the former blew me away and the latter made me go "fuck! Why didn't I see that in the reviews?" I love good talent and high production values, but that ain't the same as loving slo-mo, muzak-only sound, and silly filters.
Yeah, I'm like you with Tera Patrick before she got implants. (Why the hell she get implants, when she had the VERY BEST natural asian tits, that were already big by the way and HUGE considering she was Asian) She was so hot, and her tits were so big and bouncy, that even though all she did was ur basic fucking, it was always a good scene, or at least still got my rocks off! I was like that too with Lacey Duvalle, (same thing with the implants except she's not Asian... WHY, WHY, WHY!) and before I saw ghetto gaggers and daddyimawhore/ cumbrushers when she has proven that she CAN fuck and do more than just your basic fuck scene. Other girls' scenes I like, this time that didn't do anything to sullen the hottest of their beauty are: Destiny Diamond, Loni, Gianna Micahels, Kitten, Sierra, and maybe Lolana.
Not that I've seen a lot of Jesse Jane's films, but I swear we must be watching different ones. Most of the films I've seen her in are shot by Robby D. or Nic Andrews. Don't think I've ever seen either guy shoot in slow-mo, although I suspect Nic probably has. Those kind of films do tend to have their limits when it comes to the sex, but I don't always blame the talent for it. Someone asked if people were confusing nastiness with a hot performance. When I see threads like this, I tend to wonder also. Just because a woman isn't especially nasty doesn't mean she isn't turned-on. I do "expect" a hot performance most of the time, but I gotta admit that there are some who can sort of get-over on their looks and especially their bodies. I haven't really had any problems with most of these actually, but here they are: Monica Mayhem, Lanny Barbie, Trina Michaels, Brittany Andrews, Shay Sweet, Racquel Darrian, Jill Kelly, and Teagan Presley. There are others too, but these are the main ones I can think of. Hotness is unfair sometimes. LOL! Edited by - aplus on 11/25/2007 1:44:51 AM
I'm sure that not every movie she does is in slo-mo but with the exception of a feature she did early in her career (can't remember the name) everytime I buy one of her movies it's the slo-mo stuff. Maybe it's because I like her and tend to buy the ones where it's all vignettes and she's most of the scenes. Perhaps those are the ones Celeste specializes in. I even remember buying a Devon movie from DP and it was the same thing. DIGITAL PLAYGROUND's stuff tends to be a bit costly for me because I'm really not a big fan of their stuff or their contract stars except for Jesse. So if I'm going to get one of their movies to see Jesse I tend to want the ones with as much Jesse in it as I can get. And as far as I've seen all the Jesse vignette stuff is done by Celeste...in slo-mo musak.
Hey you like what you like, and I can definitely respect that. I do suggest a Robby D. film with her before writing her off though. I think she's been in a few of his "Jack" series films. And I do think Robby may be about the only one that I know about doing Gonzo over there. I tend to prefer her films with Nic Andrews myself, although I don't believe he's with DP anymore. I actually have never seen her in a Celeste film. Unfortunately feature films can tend to be a mixed-bag at best. I'd suggest maybe reading some of her reviewed films either on this website or especially IAFDdotcom. Jesse's been with DP for a while now, but I don't believe she's worked a lot with Celeste until recently.
Posted - Aug 11 2007 : 1:59PM
I love her. 
