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joeteen
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Posted - Aug 1 2015 : 5:00PM
Part of the “For Women Who Love Men” series by Melissa Fritchle : Sex Therapist & Psychotherapy
The popular summer movie Magic Mike, featuring male erotic dancers, has provided a refreshing image of men as objects of women’s sexual desire. Some of the appeal of the storyline is that is in using the idea of men as sexual objects as a punchline, something so out of the ordinary that it is funny. Gender flip flops are often used for humor, drawing on our own limited expectations for gender and self expression. And, at their best, encouraging us to think out of the box. I think this movie in particular can spur an important discussion about the way we see men, and how we can do a better job of supporting male sexuality.
Male strippers, for a hetero- female audience, have very limited venues and often when women do visit a male review, they are doing it more as a novelty largely driven by a shared embarrassment and “dare” type of mentality. I know very few women who will admit to being excited about watching men in this way, although many talk about hot men, had posters of male stars on their pre-teen bedroom walls, and profess to crushes on the most recent vampire/werewolf male sex symbol. I know women who are passionately attracted to and enjoy sex with their male partners, so why is it so hard for us to express that? Why do we not celebrate the male body and a hetero-female desire for men?
As a sex therapist, I have the privilege to talk to men intimately about their sexuality and their sexual relationships. One thing I hear often is hetero men saying they have no idea if their female partner finds them attractive, or even enjoys having sex with them. I know very few hetero men that would describe themselves as sexy or are proud of their body. I see men who step in to any sexual encounter already full of shame and feeling like their partner is doing them a favor. In fact, I often work with men to heal the wounds that have come from believing that their sexuality is a bad thing, something women put up with for secondary benefits, best contained or denied. This saddens me, and I believe it should sadden you.
I think we have absorbed a hetero-male fear of being attracted to the male body. We have as a culture so thoroughly put women in the role of sex object that we have denied male bodies their role as objects of attraction and desire. This is also related to our cultural lockdown on women’s sexuality and the denial that women have sexual desire at all. And yet, men deserve to feel like they are desirable and that their bodies are beautiful. They certainly deserve to feel that their sexual partners are excited to be with them and that sex is a mutual delight. We all, men, women, hetero, gay or bi, will benefit from expanding our sexual container away from a pursuer/object model, toward one on which we can all recognize and celebrate our unique beauty and contribution to shared sexuality. If we admit that both genders like sex and have sexually exciting bodies, we will have more equality and less shame in our sexuality.
So what can you, as a woman who loves men, do to help?
Show your partner that you found them attractive – This is different than stating or showing your love. Be specific about your attraction to their body, the way they are built, smell, feel. Tell them they look good. You like to hear it, so do they.
Find a language to express your sexual desire – Many women are uncomfortable or unaccustomed to talking about their sexual excitement. It is worth it to find ways to express yourself in words and actions to show your partner what you like about them and what they do for you sexually. Don’t leave your partner wondering if it was fun for you.
Be kind – Your partner may not be in shape like Channing Tatum, but you may not exactly be Jessica Alba. Perfection is not the only version of sexy. Watch both the way you think and talk about your own body and your partner’s. If you feel like your partner has stopped trying, consider how hard it would be to stay motivated to be attractive if you have never had any positive feedback about how you look.
Don’t consider your willingness to have sex with someone the only responsibility you have for showing attraction – Sex is not something we dole out to men as rewards. Own your own sexual drive and the many reasons you may wish to be sexual with someone. It should be a reward for you too, and you both should know it.
Stop making men’s sexuality the butt of jokes - . I hear both men and women laughingly say in relation to male nudity, “put that away, no one wants to see that”. But the effect this has on men and boys, in relation to honoring their own bodies, is not funny. Consider how you would respond to a group of men making demeaning jokes about women’s bodies. Now ask yourself, why is this ok to do to men?
It is natural to want to feel desired and to be attracted to others. These are feelings both men and women deserve and can thrive on. Let’s do a better job of making space for men and women to be seen and appreciated as sexy.
http://www.yourtango.com/experts/melissa-fritchle/men-want-feel-sexy-too-expert
Your thoughts ? Straight ladies in particular ??
I'm going to put a couple of more articles on the same topic here but after I hear everyone's feedback on this one.
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Posted - Aug 1 2015 : 6:14PM
I have said this elsewhere, but I empathize with your plight and am certainly not one of those people saying "put it away" or shaming men's physical display. I, like you, want to see more of it in porn. One of my favourite things about porn of the 70s and 80s is the willingness of directors and performers to indulge in male physical display/male bodies as objects of female lust. Nowadays, it seems as though men are often fearful of these images in "their" porn, and even those who might enjoy displaying their bodies/being objects of lust are too fearful of gay/feminine stigma. It's a bummer. Restrictive ideas of masculinity ruin a lot of fun things in life.
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Posted - Aug 1 2015 : 6:33PM
The physical display doesn't bother me, though I'll admit it goes down better when the female performer is onscreen, preferably showing some interest. On the other hand, Nick Manning's penchant for saying 'Dropping loads' got annoying in a hurry.
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Posted - Aug 1 2015 : 6:48PM
This is interesting in that we tend to assume a male viewer so that if a woman is displaying herself, we perhaps unconsciously imagine a man watching and showing interest. I think for a lot of people this happens when anyone is displaying their body, and for that reason solo male videos are typically categorized as "gay" even when they are explicitly made for women.
But I'm with you - I don't particularly want to see someone all by themselves doing stuff. I like scenes that show two or more people participating in something. The other person might not be visible in the scene all the time though (a good example would be the phone sex scene in SEX WORLD, or another scene I watched recently where Ken Scudder masturbates while watching a woman, but we only see him for the most part. I can't remember the name of the film...maybe it was BABY ROSEMARY). That's what I meant by "display" - a woman (or man, of course) is there in the scene, either off screen or in it.
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Posted - Aug 1 2015 : 7:50PM
Another example is Barbara Broadcast (which I wrote about here in terms of gazing). The kitchen scene is a perfect example of a guy/girl scene in which the male body is situated as an object of female lust.
A couple of screen shots that cannot do the scene justice (seriously, this scene is one of the hottest things on earth):
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joeteen
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Posted - Aug 3 2015 : 8:57AM
damn, that scene looks hot ! Yeh I made a topic about this before but too much rant happened there so I started it clean and new . And I don't like solo videos at all. I wanna see a man and a woman mutually enjoying each others bodies not just sex penis in vagina with the male only doing some "body lusting", if that's an accurate term. I definitely don't wanna see a man just sitting there and a woman playing with him, I like both parties to be active mixing up the power play and the rhythm.
And some ppl argue men are more visual, but I don't buy that, look at lesbians, damn they do some hot shit ! It's just really frustrating to see such mutual lust & chemistry in lesbian or gay porn but not in straight porn ! I just wish those perceptions of "this is gay" or "that's not masculine/feminine" to change...
But again, I already have a thread on this topic from a porn perspective in the porn pool. Here is where we talk about men and women feel about this in their normal sex lives/fantasies (especially women)
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Posted - Oct 15 2015 : 11:41PM
Nowadays, it seems as though men are often fearful of these images in "their" porn,
I can't agree more.
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Edited by - flash on 10/16/2015 12:54:52 PM
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^ Wow that's some sneaky spam.
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Posted - Nov 8 2015 : 10:24AM
Another related article :
http://broadblogs.com/2013/08/05/men-dont-feel-sexy-and-it-sucks/
and a less relevant article but just wanna hear ur thoughts on it ,lol
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/11977121/Women-are-either-bisexual-or-gay-but-never-straight.html
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Posted - Nov 8 2015 : 12:56PM
^ Thanks for that first link. I haven't read the study yet but I saw someone call it biphobic today. Unclear why.
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Posted - Nov 9 2015 : 8:26PM
Ugly guys. Chicken or egg: no glamorous roles and the directors can't get minimally attractive men.
joeteen
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Posted - Nov 10 2015 : 7:53AM
@GoreGoreGirl : I'm not sure I understand the article in 1st link, lol. She said men don't feel sexy compared to women and it sucks etc etc , but then she said "if she loves u, she will find u sexy" even if there's no "man-butt" or "man- chest" fetish . That's kinda irrelevant to me..
as for the 2nd article , not sure how this someone says it's biphobic, if anything, it's straight phobic ,lol . Unless he/she means the comments they saw on it, then maybe...
@Charn R u saying media is responsible for this ?
Edited by - joeteen on 11/10/2015 6:19:10 PM
charn
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Posted - Nov 10 2015 : 6:06PM
^It's a feedback loop, but that may be ending soon, depending on the culture of the next generation and how much porn they buy.
joeteen
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Posted - Nov 13 2015 : 9:17AM
Say women can be visual and "aggressive" for lack of better word to describe it. Can a guy seduce a woman/girl not just by the idea of physical pleasure or "getting the dee", but by a manner that would make her crave him in the way described ? ( Like she'd go crazy and rip his shirt off and start sucking on his chest nipples or sth, lol ). Coz I never saw that and am really curious on how would that go XD.
And the reason I put the article in the 2nd link is that I kinda noticed in sexually open societies that there are a lot more bi girls than bi dudes. Or even straight girls who like to play and fool around. But y r sexually active girls more inclined to fool around and make out/ sleep with each other ? I mean guys are grossed out by each other, and if they're not, they're either gay or Bi (and again, bi girls are way more than bi guys..I think..) Is it because when a straight girl who's fooling with a girl , there's no emotions involved, but with a guy u need emotions involved ? Still y aren't girls grossed out by each other like guys lol. (I'm not judging really, I'm just curious).
One more question :
- Guys love watching lesbians ( I prefer b/g but whatever). Girls love gays ? I know some girls do, but not as nearly the same ratio as guys with lesbians. So : gay porn for u , yay or nay ? And y is it it's not the same in ur opinion ?
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Posted - Nov 14 2015 : 12:22PM
^ Lots of women watch gay male porn, myself included. [invalid URL removed]Take a look at CL's breakdown of a recent article on the topic, followed by a personal essay by a woman who watches gay male porn.
 
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joeteen
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Posted - Nov 20 2015 : 7:43PM
soo guess what. ALL top 10 male performers on AEBN in 2015 are gay. All of them. ALL!! Not one straight guy! lol
joeteen
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Posted - Dec 17 2015 : 12:21PM
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Edited by - flash on 12/17/2015 1:26:44 PM
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Posted - Dec 30 2015 : 4:24PM
Not sure where you're drawing your conclusions about the greater prevalance of bi-women in a 'sexually open' society.
These taboos are very culturally determined, although our Western society is superficially (and in some case substanially) more 'sexually open' to bisexual or lesbian women, butch women still get a lot of flack and male homosexuality or bisexuality is still very taboo.
For contrast, look at ancient Roman society where male 'bisexuality' (although they didn't think of it in those terms) was largely accepted within certain parameters but female bisexuality or lesbianism was verboten.
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Posted - Mar 25 2016 : 8:11AM
As a straight man, this topic is interesting. I want a woman that enjoys looking at my body. Even though I'm straight, I have found myself masturbating to this picture frequently. I fantasize about being the man in the picture standing there in front of this woman completely naked with an erection as the woman enjoys what she is seeing. I would enjoy being the man in the picture. I'm definitely not one of the stereotypical straight men that is offended by seeing a naked man or feeling like a naked man is somehow something to avoid seeing at all costs.
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Edited by - gorillahung on 3/25/2016 8:14:56 AM
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Posted - Mar 25 2016 : 8:03PM
Yeah it is funny that women are often assumed to be exhibitonist but men not. I'm sure most of the successful male performers are to some degree exhibitionists who are turned on at the idea of being watched hence their relatively rare ability to be able to perform on camera.
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Posted - Mar 28 2016 : 2:20AM
Exactly. Which results in a marginalizing of male sexuality. I think some of it may be intimidation factor? Whereas females may be slightly more inclined to be turned on by females (citation needed), guys seem more likely to be threatened, especially if the dick is bigger (speculating)? IDK but what it suggests for a mostly male controlled industry, with male producers and CEOs and directors, is that there's a definite insecurity with male nudity in porn. Whether that originates from the top down, or from the bottom up, would be very interesting to research.
At least I don't even think it's a conscious insecurity, not usually. It's almost like a subconscious reflexive aversion. I can just sense male viewers cringing at the briefest shot of a naked male on screen without a naked female in the same shot. No lie, I even feel like a savvy director must feel like such shots are taking risks.
But there's even terms for those most distasteful shots in porn which are certainly dubbed by male audiences, e.g. "HMA" aka hairy man ass. lol
I'm not sure what's supposed to make it worse. The fact that it's a male ass or that it's hairy? But then the result is this idea that guys should be hairless?? So am I supposed to be conditioned to think I'm not sexually appealing? Cuz I'm no Grizzly, but I'm no dolphin either. Anyway I disclose that while also admitting I have zero desire to see more HMA in porn. So what has happened here then? Am I supposed to become conditioned to feel repulsed by my own body? Cuz I'm not. Actually I'd probably score my body self-image esteem about an 8/10. But it's hard for me to even think of viewing my fuzzy butt another way. In porn nowadays they're practically extinct. lol
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Posted - Mar 28 2016 : 2:24AM
Great sad topic.
Truth in this post.
I think relatedly, I feel more and more like joining a nudist colony, just as a part time hobby.
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Posted - Mar 31 2016 : 9:23AM
Why was the picture deleted? It showed up when I first made this post.
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You can post whatever image you want, but if it fails to meet the site's image policy then it will be removed. Of course, that begs the question of why you're violating the policy that you agreed to abide by when you joined up.
 
joeteen
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Posted - May 11 2016 : 3:16AM
just thought I'd revive this topic for no reason, if anyone wants to say anything about it. Hope that's not considered spamming or anything.
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Posted - May 25 2016 : 10:35AM
Relevant video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9WZFeA4FzI . I don't necessarily agree with everything this guy says in other topics, however this video is relevant to the topic here and somehow makes sense (sadly),lol.
Hope youtube is not against forum policies ?
Edited by - joeteen on 5/25/2016 10:35:54 AM
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