Tabitha Stevens Does Interracial Scene in 2 weeks (page 2)

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Jordan1 Member Fishing, a fun hobby! 490 Posts 7/08	Posted - Nov 25 2009 : 1:01PM tabithastevens wrote: In the Fuck Em' All series, I did NOT have intercourse with either Mr. Marcus or Sean Michaels. I DID grab their cocks and put them in other girls pussy's and even jerked them off to a finish...A TRUE IR scene is when the white girl (me) is actually getting 'penetrated' by a black man and sucking his cock. I am not sure why IAFD has posted this. They must not have REALLY watched those scenes. I totally understand where the confusion lies. Thank You-Tabitha Click to expand Thanks Tabitha for explaining this. You've cleared up the confusion. I guess IAFD will have to make a special note on those scenes. Maybe a "jerk-off only" note? Oh, BTW. Where did the cum from them land? Was it on you, if so, face, tits, or the other girls? [Link]
Irex Member 92 Posts 11/09	Posted - Nov 25 2009 : 10:53PM Not calling you a racist or anything, but I'd actually prefer at this stage you didn't actually do IR. Your explanation of pacing your career makes sense to a degree except for the fact that you're Tabitha Stevens. You're a boxcover girl, a crossover star who's appeared in mainstream media. You're simply too well known a commodity to have to do that. Girls you can't name, or girls with a small fanbase and little notoriety are the kind of girls who have to pace themselves thusly. Girls like yourself, Nina Hartley, Janine, Jenna Jameson, etc. are rare and few; mainstream folks know your name well from non porn appearances. The other point someone made about Julia Ann and Lisa Ann, waiting...well, look at Lisa Ann and Dyanna Lauren- both did do Interracial (Lisa Ann in Pussyman Auditions and Dyanna in The Zone) in their first few years in the industry and it didn't diminish their impact later on as can plainly be seen in their victorious comebacks several years later. Julia Ann actually did shoot an IR scene and photos from it have made the rounds on the internet for years, it just didn't get released. The same happened with Savanna Samson- her homemade IR has been on the internet for years and it didn't stop a fervor for her first Vivid Blackmaled production. My problem, and again I'm not calling anyone a racist, and I'm not pressuring a girl to do IR if she doesn't want to, but as a black fan I don't like being treated like the last gasp of a dying career. Like the starlet is saying, "sorry, you can wait fifteen years to see this scene, if I ever do it at all." That just doesn't seem fair to me and the only way I can combat that thinking is to lessen the profit margin for that thinking. I won't buy a scene if a girl waits until the tail end of her career. I didn't buy Shayla LaVeaux's and I won't buy this one. I think an A- List girl, a well known girl can make as much money by increasing her fanbase early in her career and including black fans by letting them see her scenes with black actors. There's plenty of big name girls currently working who've done IR and they seem to have long and profitable careers. I'll quickly admit there are some terrible productions out there and a girl should stick with top names like Lex Steele and Jules Jordan when he does IR and that it need not be a frequent component of a girl's career, but if you feel like it's going to be something you intend to do (again not asking for pressure on a girl- I don't want this post warped into a racist diatribe) it should be done when the iron's hot, within the first few years, not after fans have had to wait a decade or more. That's just gonna cause resentment. I seem to remember most fans weren't happy that Janine started doing B/G scenes after (and during)the point she'd gotten a ton of tattoos. You can wait too long and the fans aren't gonna be satisfied. Look at Jenna Haze, she waited about four and a half years, still at the peak of her popularity and did her Darkside movie. Has her career diminished at all? Four years later she's still a boxcover girl and a top draw in the business. So I fear that when a girl waits until just before she intends to retire to work with a black actor, it reinforces a stereotype that IR is bad for your career, it'll only provide a brief monetary bump at the very end so save it as a last ditch effort. So in summary, not calling anyone racist, not saying a girl has to do IR scenes, but I don't like when it's a calculated effort to save it for the very end of a career. It won't win me over as a fan at all and in fact will turn me off to the scene. I much prefer a star who treats scenes with black men (in quality productions) as something that will enhance their career and build their fanbase. [Link]
supa_dupa09 Deactivated User 118 Posts 6/09	Posted - Nov 26 2009 : 4:04AM Some good points Irex ^^ But like I have stated on here before, I think it is more so these agencies, that softcore scene she said she did she produced it and her husband directed it. I think jenny hendrix from what I know so far is the only one that did it for those reasons you state because her scene with lex was fake, no energy, and sucked in the bad way, Im surprised she took the facial not to mention she was heard saying racist things on myspace. Like I said as long as its not racism, I dont care how long a pornstar would wait to do interracial, because its not nothing negative so... Nothing to really turn me off about them. Now Alexis Texas on the other hand I wouldnt buy it either if she did interracial in fact if she do, I hope it gets heavy bootlegged on the internet, and people see it for free and not buy the shit, because she starred in a scene where racism was evident, and you knew what they were doing. As a black man, not worth it bowing to her, as she probably love black men doing. I havent seen any reason to not watch her first hardcore IR scene. As long as its fire, and it seems like she have no problem from her softcore IR scene bringin it! [Link]
LLvladk Deactivated User 121 Posts 10/09	Posted - Nov 26 2009 : 11:20AM IRex you need to understand that times have changed in porn. Doing IR when Tabitha started isn't the same as doing IR in 2009. Except for very few, none of the big names at that time were doing IR. I'm glad she did it. Later is better than never. Tabitha welcome to the darkside. [Link]

RectomRamington Member Everybody needs a little R&R 63 Posts 8/09	Posted - Nov 26 2009 : 7:49PM Is kinda late but if its Mandingo anal ill forgive you. Hay you never know, she did say mad skills [Link]
Nimrod Member 624 Posts 7/09	Posted - Nov 26 2009 : 11:15PM Tabitha because it's taken very long there is going to be some haters but don't mind them. They will come here and say all kind of things but they will check it out. This isn't the first or last time this is doing to happen. Do your thing. Edited by - Nimrod on 11/26/2009 11:16:59 PM [Link]
Irex Member 92 Posts 11/09	Posted - Nov 26 2009 : 11:21PM LLvladk wrote: IRex you need to understand that times have changed in porn. Doing IR when Tabitha started isn't the same as doing IR in 2009. Except for very few, none of the big names at that time were doing IR. I'm glad she did it. Later is better than never. Tabitha welcome to the darkside. Click to expand That's your opinion and you're welcome to it. I think there are plenty of big names have done IR at the peak of their career in any era because they chose to do it. Rhonda Jo Petty, Desiree Cousteau, Marilyn Chambers, Ginger Lynn, Victoria Paris, Rachel Ryan, Ashlyn Gere, Jeanna Fine Nina Hartley, Shanna McCullough, Gina Lynn, Christy Canyon (I know- a lot of people don't consider Jake Steed scenes to be IR, that's a whole other discussion...) and the list goes on. In any point in porn I can find several upper tier stars who are doing IR. Some top names simply don't and they have every right not to do IR. But it doesn't seem to have ever damaged a top girl's career. I don't know of any example of it. Some may argue appearing in "Negro, get out my wife" type titles will lead to a dismal porn career and I wouldn't disagree. However, appearing in dimestore, low rent all white productions isn't a key to a long career either. The tide changed long ago, probably close to ten years ago with the quality productions coming from a number of producers, most notably the productions that Lex Steele produced. Vince Vouyer, Jules Jordan and several others were putting out high quality gonzo IR that was as good as anything that Stagliano or John Leslie or any other good director were putting on shelves. Sales were excellent and IR girls were certainly doing as much work as anyone else. I can't believe someone as savvy as Tabitha didn't notice the change in quality. She's simply too shrewd a marketer and does too good a job as her own hype machine. These are good qualities and connote a certain level of smarts about the business. If someone didn't want to meet her price or whatever, that's business and I really can't comment on that, but to believe that there was no indication until very nearly 2010 that Tabitha could probably swing a few IR scenes without hurting her long term career plans just seems a narrow not well thought out plan. It's a testament to Tabitha's business savvy that I don't believe she didn't perceive the change in the business for almost a decade now... [Link]
tabithastevens Member Tabitha Stevens, Porn Super Star, Celebrity TV personality, Regular guest on Howard Stern,Dr.90210, 264 Posts 7/09	Posted - Nov 26 2009 : 11:43PM WOW! Intense convo going on here. No, I do not need to do an IR scene. I WANT to do an IR scene. Back in 2003 & 2004 I had two VERY HOT IR experiences in my personal life. (How I wish I could have filmed them). One of the men, who was absolutely stunning, had the BIGGEST cock I've EVER scene. It was so big that when I sat up on top of it I could only fit a quarter of it in me. I tried so hard to take more of that GIANT MONSTER, but I just couldn't. Trying to do it was the best part. Hell, my big ass mouth was barely able to take it, but I did manage to fill it up;). I would love to share a real experience like that with my fans. To me, there's a time and a place for everything. The place is Vegas and the time is NOW. Thank you for your thoughts, concerns and encouragement! www.tabithastevens.com [Link]
mgavin Member Anal is My Thing 820 Posts 3/05	Posted - Nov 27 2009 : 1:04AM Hey Tabitha, Are u going to work with Lex Steel or Rico Strong soon?? I love to one of them fuck u in the ur ass with their big black cocks I'm Skeletor [Link]
tabithastevens Member Tabitha Stevens, Porn Super Star, Celebrity TV personality, Regular guest on Howard Stern,Dr.90210, 264 Posts 7/09	Posted - Nov 27 2009 : 1:42PM Not ready for an IR anal scene. Finger banging it for now while I get plowed. ;) www.tabithastevens.com [Link]
Irex Member 92 Posts 11/09	Posted - Nov 27 2009 : 3:12PM Well, I'm not here to hijack the thread or dampen Tabitha's celebration. Unless someone directly challenges an assertion I've made or addresses me with a specific question, I won't likely post on this again. Let me just say as Tabitha says it's the right time for her, it's not the right time for me. As one of thousands of buyers out there, I've got to take a stand with my money and support projects that come in a timely enough fashion to suit my tastes. If I don't, the class of girls entering porn right now will think it's fine to do their first IR scene in the year 2025. That's simply too long. A girl has every right to pace her career as she sees fits. As a consumer though, I have every right to demand certain projects in a timely fashion. If Robert Downey and Jon Favreau said "we're not gonna make Iron Man 2 until 2018", I'd be disappointed and less likely to support the project. They know it and that's why the sequel comes out within three years. My interracial porn dollar is sitting right here, but it goes to projects that come when I want to see them. Yes there's a racial component to the decision, but it's a business decision as well and I fear people lose sight of that when the discussion becomes about pressuring a girl and trading barbs about being racist. What's also interesting is that many companies that produce IR scenes claim much of the market is actually white men who are purchasing the product, which makes sense given the amount of cuckold amateur video produced. There's obviously a strong market for this product across the board and as long as people stick to old conventions about the business (i.e. you can't display IR titles in certain parts of the country-well you don't have to, so much of the business is now directly to the internet, 80% of fans will never have to touch a box and bring it the counter so Cletus can see it and know that you're a fan of miscegnation) you're going to have this old style thinking of avoiding IR during the bulk of the career if you want to be a top girl. In fact I looked up an old Tabitha Stevens title- American Dream Girls on IAFD from Jill Kelly's Dream Time Entertainment, released 1998 (or so, IAFD can be wrong...) The cast list is a superstar lineup: * Alicia Rio * J.R. Carrington * Kaitlyn Ashley * Kylie Ireland * Lexus Locklear * Lovette * Marilyn Star * Missy * P.J. Sparxx * Rebecca Wild * Sid Deuce * Tabitha Stevens Of the cast, 8 out of 12 superstars did IR scenes during the heyday of their career and I can't think of one who didn't remain a boxcover star. Look if a girl has personal reasons for singling out an actor of a different race, I'll accept it, as her right to choose. But business wise, it makes no sense. For an extended period (5-10 years or more) you lose a bulk of the black consumers and you lose white consumers who like IR sex. Even if its just a fraction, 15% of the overall market, that could translate into some serious money over time. The mindset that says "wait" for business reasons just doesn't make sense to me at all. It's a holdover from the contract girl mentality when there weren't a thousand girls in the business and a couple of million websites all vying for the same bucks. I remember the old days when one or two movies A WEEK would be released. Now I could go to a couple of websites, and watch thousands of scenes without any effort. People like to blame the filesharing and other internet related factors for the low sales. I just know that if half the girls I like would do IR, I'd buy their scenes right now. But five years from now, I'll lose interest... [Link]
Nimrod Member 624 Posts 7/09	Posted - Nov 27 2009 : 4:21PM Irex wrote: Christy Canyon (I know- a lot of people don't consider Jake Steed scenes to be IR, that's a whole other discussion...) Click to expand Christy Canyon IR? Please... As far as IR is concerned I give Tabitha Stevens more credit than Christy Canyon even if she waited this long. I don't think that Tabitha Stevens would be coming here saying that she did her first IR if her scene was with Jake Steed and Billy Dee. Why don't you put Hannah West, Kristina Rose, Rachel Roxx and Missy Stone in that list then? All 4 of them have worked with Ramon who is darker than Jake Steed and Billy Dee. Those 4 girls will be the first to tell you they've never done IR. Edited by - Nimrod on 11/27/2009 4:47:23 PM [Link]
Nimrod Member 624 Posts 7/09	Posted - Nov 27 2009 : 4:26PM tabithastevens wrote: Back in 2003 & 2004 I had two VERY HOT IR experiences in my personal life. (How I wish I could have filmed them). One of the men, who was absolutely stunning, had the BIGGEST cock I've EVER scene. It was so big that when I sat up on top of it I could only fit a quarter of it in me. I tried so hard to take more of that GIANT MONSTER, but I just couldn't. Trying to do it was the best part. Hell, my big ass mouth was barely able to take it, but I did manage to fill it up;). www.tabithastevens.com Click to expand He couldn't fit it in? Did you get any pleasure from that experience? Who (or how big)is the biggest cock you ever had besides that one? [Link]
deputyduffy Member 396 Posts 8/08	Posted - Nov 27 2009 : 5:42PM Welcome Irex...In your three posts you have already joined the gang of IR freaks who call this board home... Can't believe that you're not even satisfied because Tabitha waited too long to feel the black man's power...Then you suggest that she might influence younger white girls to do the same. Then, you just went on and on and on. Please, this is so funny...just let Tabitha run her life the way she wants...if she wants to do white/black/tan/brown/ whatever...it's her life...her career. ----- Tabitha, I'm just happy you're here...happy your still working. Best of luck DD [Link]

lack100 Deactivated User 139 Posts 8/09	Posted - Nov 27 2009 : 6:58PM i agree 100% with Irex. [Link]
lack100 Deactivated User 139 Posts 8/09	Posted - Nov 27 2009 : 6:58PM i agree 100% with Irex. [Link]
Nimrod Member 624 Posts 7/09	Posted - Nov 27 2009 : 9:26PM lack100 wrote: i agree 100% with Irex. Click to expand Even though I think IRex made some valid points, the past is the past. We can't go back to 1999 and ask her to do IR. What is the point of bringing back the reason why she never did it? What are we gonna accomplish doing that? There are racist women in this industry that won't do IR even if they are still active in the business in their 90s and confined to a wheelchair. At least she did it. Fuck, some women start in this business in their mid 40s and dodge till they retire. Let's be happy for her and not give an impression to others that IR fans are bitter and irrational. As you can see Deputyduffy, who is well known for his anti IR views and more is already having fun with these complaints. Edited by - Nimrod on 11/27/2009 9:37:35 PM [Link]
tabithastevens Member Tabitha Stevens, Porn Super Star, Celebrity TV personality, Regular guest on Howard Stern,Dr.90210, 264 Posts 7/09	Posted - Nov 27 2009 : 9:37PM I'm speechless.........That's because I have a GIANT black cock in my mouth! JK. All you guys are great. www.tabithastevens.com [Link]
Irex Member 92 Posts 11/09	Posted - Nov 27 2009 : 10:21PM deputyduffy wrote: Welcome Irex...In your three posts you have already joined the gang of IR freaks who call this board home... Can't believe that you're not even satisfied because Tabitha waited too long to feel the black man's power...Then you suggest that she might influence younger white girls to do the same. Then, you just went on and on and on. Please, this is so funny...just let Tabitha run her life the way she wants...if she wants to do white/black/tan/brown/ whatever...it's her life...her career. ----- Tabitha, I'm just happy you're here...happy your still working. Best of luck DD Click to expand I always find it sad when someone chooses to refute your argument by making a joke. Congratulations, you're a porn fan on a porn board making fun of someone else for taking porn too seriously. By the way, you've got over 200 posts on a porn board. Do you see how that's just demeaning instead of making a discussion? Ah well, I've said several times I thought Tabitha was a smart businesswoman and had every right to make her choices. Guess you skipped over those parts... [Link]
deputyduffy Member 396 Posts 8/08	Posted - Nov 28 2009 : 12:07AM Hey Irex, Look, you've already gut groupies...see it was no joke. Plus...I'm not anti IR. Just don't like witch hunts...or the 2009 porn version...the IR hunt... You know sort of like this: Hey guys lets look at EVERY white performer that is in porn or has been in porn and see if she has ever had sex with a black man....YAH dude, cuz if she hasn't or doesn't...well she must be (fill in blank here). If anything, I think your mission on this board has backfired. I personally feel you guys have turned more people OFF to IR then gotten White female performers to do IR. But anyhooo...Tabitha I know C.P.R if you need it... (See that was a joke). [Link]
C-Hammer Member 66 Posts 7/09	Posted - Nov 28 2009 : 2:18AM Irex wrote: In fact I looked up an old Tabitha Stevens title- American Dream Girls on IAFD from Jill Kelly's Dream Time Entertainment, released 1998 (or so, IAFD can be wrong...) The cast list is a superstar lineup: * Alicia Rio * J.R. Carrington * Kaitlyn Ashley * Kylie Ireland * Lexus Locklear * Lovette * Marilyn Star * Missy * P.J. Sparxx * Rebecca Wild * Sid Deuce * Tabitha Stevens Of the cast, 8 out of 12 superstars did IR scenes during the heyday of their career and I can't think of one who didn't remain a boxcover star. Click to expand You either have information I don't or you have a different definition of "heyday" lol. I count 4 out of the 12 that did IR and could actually fit the description of "boxcover star". The Great Kylie Ireland ( her name will always be prefaced by "The Great" in my posts lol) Lexus Locklear ( whose star shone brightly, but briefly) Missy ( see Lexus ) Rebecca Wild ( who was awesome until she made her boobs waaaaaaay too big) I suppose you are including the gangbang scene Kaitlyn Ashley did in the movie "Head Trip" in which she fucked and sucked Jake Steed briefly but I'm not sure I would include it lol. Now this is not to shoot down your post or create a anti-interracial sentiment. I actually agree with some of what you had to say and I personally love IR porn. In the 90's IR porn was a lot more taboo than it is now and A-List girls like Tabitha, Jill Kelly and the like almost never did it. ( I'll give you the four I mentioned above as being exceptions.) In that regard, I think we should cut Tabitha a little bit of slack . For whatever reason she didnt think it was right for her at the time, she does now. I'm down;) [Link]
C-Hammer Member 66 Posts 7/09	Posted - Nov 28 2009 : 2:23AM deputyduffy wrote: If anything, I think your mission on this board has backfired. I personally feel you guys have turned more people OFF to IR then gotten White female performers to do IR. But anyhooo...Tabitha I know C.P.R if you need it... (See that was a joke). Click to expand You really think the posters on this board have the power to change one's sexual preferences? I doubt it... [Link]
Nimrod Member 624 Posts 7/09	Posted - Nov 28 2009 : 8:13AM Deputyduffy has made his views on IR pretty clear but you have to give him credit for his calculated racially charged comments...he never makes them way too obvious. [Link]
tabithastevens Member Tabitha Stevens, Porn Super Star, Celebrity TV personality, Regular guest on Howard Stern,Dr.90210, 264 Posts 7/09	Posted - Nov 28 2009 : 8:26PM I believe that Leisure Time Entertainment put that title out. Many of those girls were out of the business when Jill Kelly had her company. Besides those are compilation scenes. Did Sid even do IR? You have to remember that in 1995 when I got into the business that I was told by many people to pace my career. It has worked for me. I'm still around after taking 7 years off. I have many things that I still haven't done ( which I find to be very cool and exciting). When I go out to dinner, I nibble on a salad, eat part of my main course and save room for my dessert. Same applies to my career:D. Again, I thank all of you for your interest in my scene which is about to be filmed. www.tabithastevens.com [Link]

MarcusGoebbelsX Deactivated User 8 Posts 11/09	Posted - Nov 28 2009 : 8:37PM I'm a Black man and I've never slept with a White woman. If all goes well, I never will. I have plenty of White female friends though and I love them just as I would love any of my other friends. I respect a White woman that doesn't like Black men. I just sympathize for the Black men that are attracted tot hem. We have to learn to let go and love ourselves and our own race. (PS: I never liked White women sexually, I was into Japanese girls for a stint though). [Link]
tabithastevens Member Tabitha Stevens, Porn Super Star, Celebrity TV personality, Regular guest on Howard Stern,Dr.90210, 264 Posts 7/09	Posted - Nov 28 2009 : 8:39PM That's very cool that you are being honest. Nothing wrong with that. www.tabithastevens.com [Link]
C-Hammer Member 66 Posts 7/09	Posted - Nov 28 2009 : 9:15PM tabithastevens wrote: I believe that Leisure Time Entertainment put that title out. Many of those girls were out of the business when Jill Kelly had her company. Besides those are compilation scenes. Did Sid even do IR? www.tabithastevens.com Click to expand To my knowledge, Sid Deuce never did IR. She always reminded me of Jill Kelly in some ways. Not quite as attractive, but still sexy enough to turn heads. There are too many girls from that era (Sid, Jill, Kaitlyn, Jenna J,Serenity,Devon and so on) that a lot of folks wanted to do IR but never did for whatever reason. Water under the bridge now. Holding a grudge is just stupid, and I personally am glad that 2009 is the year that you can cross the names of Shayla Laveaux and Tabitha Stevens off of that list;) [Link]
tabithastevens Member Tabitha Stevens, Porn Super Star, Celebrity TV personality, Regular guest on Howard Stern,Dr.90210, 264 Posts 7/09	Posted - Nov 28 2009 : 10:53PM Indeed C-Hammer:). www.tabithastevens.com [Link]
Nimrod Member 624 Posts 7/09	Posted - Nov 29 2009 : 1:02AM MarcusGoebbelsX wrote: I'm a Black man and I've never slept with a White woman. If all goes well, I never will. I have plenty of White female friends though and I love them just as I would love any of my other friends. I respect a White woman that doesn't like Black men. I just sympathize for the Black men that are attracted tot hem. We have to learn to let go and love ourselves and our own race. (PS: I never liked White women sexually, I was into Japanese girls for a stint though). Click to expand Seriously, what does this have to do with this thread? A woman does IR and you feel the need to bore us with your personal preferences and life? Given that you are new here and chose to post in the wrong section, I seriously doubt you are black in the first place...more likely some white dude trying to use reverse psychology to preach "purity of his race". Your last sentence "We have to learn to let go and love ourselves and our own race." in an IR thread gave you away. A black guy who doesn't care for IR ( I know there are many) will not be writing this kind of thing in an IR thread on his 3 rd post. Edited by - Nimrod on 11/29/2009 1:13:39 AM [Link]
MarcusGoebbelsX Deactivated User 8 Posts 11/09	Posted - Nov 29 2009 : 1:22AM tabithastevens wrote: That's very cool that you are being honest. Nothing wrong with that. www.tabithastevens.com Click to expand An honest person draws the color line out int he open; a dishonest person draws it at their childrens' bedroom door. [Link]
supa_dupa09 Deactivated User 118 Posts 6/09	Posted - Nov 29 2009 : 6:35AM MarcusGoebbelsX wrote: I'm a Black man and I've never slept with a White woman. If all goes well, I never will. I have plenty of White female friends though and I love them just as I would love any of my other friends. I respect a White woman that doesn't like Black men. I just sympathize for the Black men that are attracted tot hem. We have to learn to let go and love ourselves and our own race. (PS: I never liked White women sexually, I was into Japanese girls for a stint though). Click to expand You would of been better off saying a white woman that isnt attracted to black men, rather than like. That could mean anything such as you respect racism, MY BROTHA! lol. I dont get why some black men trip out over white women who dont do IR neither, so I sort of agree with you except Im attracted to white women, lol. But I dont respect anybody who doesnt like my race, I dont even really respect people who isnt attracted for real, It is what it is to me. Dont pay it no mind. I respect people who I took the time out to get to know if they deserve respect. Respect is a powerful word, got to be careful How you throw that out. (just a suggestion.) Edited by - supa_dupa09 on 11/29/2009 6:38:38 AM [Link]
supa_dupa09 Deactivated User 118 Posts 6/09	Posted - Nov 29 2009 : 7:08AM Irex wrote: I always find it sad when someone chooses to refute your argument by making a joke. Congratulations, you're a porn fan on a porn board making fun of someone else for taking porn too seriously. By the way, you've got over 200 posts on a porn board. Do you see how that's just demeaning instead of making a discussion? Ah well, I've said several times I thought Tabitha was a smart businesswoman and had every right to make her choices. Guess you skipped over those parts... Click to expand That deputyduffy guy I think he is anti IR, so I agree with you, but he is also very strange and kind of a nutbag himself. I remember on a thread where I made a suggestion about a white porn starlet coming into the business doing only black men, since it was ok for the girls to choose who they want to fuck. Doesnt seem that way when in talks about whitegirls only fucking black guys, because there are girls of every race including black girls that only fuck whiteguys. But anyways he said somethin I dont know if agreed with me or he didnt. I do agree with him about these what HE calls witch hunts, but thats only because thats the first time I understood him. This whole racial thing to me is starting to look funny, because the same people in and out of the industry that defends girls who dont do IR is the same people that whenever a girl that only does IR is suggested say that "Oh they wont last long", "Thats racism", "You cant have a career doing only black guys." (Marie Luv and Marcus London are the 2 notcieable ones who have said it.) Even though there is a market in IR porn, and before anyone knew spring thomas had done whiteguys on film in the past she made a pretty INfamous but succesful career doing only black guys and was well known amongst blacks. But they seem to be complaining about that, JUST like the ones who complain about girls who DONT do IR. They are doing the same thing to each other. Which is why ONE of the reasons I think it is good to go out and bring a whitegirl or whitegirls that only does black guys. Because it will expose the other side alot more that they are just the same when it comes to girls who dont do whiteguys. I hear CJ Wright is trying to contact a girl by the name of veronica of veronicasgotback.com, who is into black men. So if it is a go with her doing porn, that could be a reality and oh how the fireworks will go off if that happens. Sorry tabitha for the hijacking, sometimes these arguements is just makes you.... I dont even have words to explain it. [Link]
MarcusGoebbelsX Deactivated User 8 Posts 11/09	Posted - Nov 29 2009 : 7:20AM Supa, I respect racism. I can be racist too. It all depends on how you define racism. [Link]
tabithastevens Member Tabitha Stevens, Porn Super Star, Celebrity TV personality, Regular guest on Howard Stern,Dr.90210, 264 Posts 7/09	Posted - Nov 29 2009 : 3:05PM Hey, that's why ADT has these boards to post on. As long as Everyone can be cool to each other at the end of the day, I'm happy:). www.tabithastevens.com [Link]

Everett Senior Member 2088 Posts 6/05	Posted - Nov 29 2009 : 3:40PM Tabitha, in boy/girl scenes, whether you're with a white guy or black guy etc, I would like to see some kissing. I think kissing is the most ignored thing in porn. Actually that's why I always liked real life man & wife teams in porn, ie Steve & Susan Vegas(early 90s). Maybe Mark and Francesca can do a scene where they do a lot of kissing and smooching before going to 'home base' if you will. Some candlelight, white wine. Call me romantic. Not Candida Royale type candlelight scene, that's too soft. But some good petting, kissing, frenching with the dude giving her a good muff-out before bj or fuck. I'd like to see you maybe do that kind of scene with a black guy, not a gangsta type scene, Im sick of that appeal already. I want to see him carry you into the bedroom, that kind of thing. [Link]
mgavin Member Anal is My Thing 820 Posts 3/05	Posted - Nov 29 2009 : 3:40PM Hi Tabitha, How r u?? Are u plaining to do a blowbang in the near future?? I wanted to ask u this question, do like Howard Stern or Opie & Anthony?? Did u ever or never listen to Opie & Anthony?? I'm Skeletor [Link]
Nimrod Member 624 Posts 7/09	Posted - Nov 29 2009 : 4:16PM MarcusGoebbelsX wrote: Supa, I respect racism. I can be racist too. It all depends on how you define racism. Click to expand I told you this guy was a clown, who was pretending to be black just to give black men a bad name. No wonder he got banned. He must have been another anti IR dude alias. [Link]
Nimrod Member 624 Posts 7/09	Posted - Nov 29 2009 : 4:45PM supa_dupa09 wrote: ] That deputyduffy guy I think he is anti IR, so I agree with you, but he is also very strange and kind of a nutbag himself. Click to expand There is something we can agree on. He is a real WEIRDO and more. [Link]
tabithastevens Member Tabitha Stevens, Porn Super Star, Celebrity TV personality, Regular guest on Howard Stern,Dr.90210, 264 Posts 7/09	Posted - Nov 29 2009 : 7:17PM Everett: Note taken. I am all about the kissing myself. It's very sexy (especially with my long tongue). I will be sure to do some HOT kissing in my IR scene. In my new feature film (yes I produced it and star in it and my hubby, Gary Orona, directed it) that is due out at the end of January from Sex Line Sinema titled 'The Vampire Sex Diaries' has that sexiness about it. The cast includes: Jenna Haze Sophia Santi Ashlynn Rae Ally Kay Cheynne Collins Jay Lassiter Mr. Stevens and of course Myself You can view the free promo on my website to see what I mean. I have never been on Opie & Anthony. Of course I know who they are. I do like Jimmy Norton. He's a funny guy. I am a Howard Stern favorite guest and fan of his show. www.tabithastevens.com [Link]
mgavin Member Anal is My Thing 820 Posts 3/05	Posted - Nov 29 2009 : 9:45PM Are u going to do a blowbang in the near future?? [Link]
Irex Member 92 Posts 11/09	Posted - Nov 29 2009 : 9:56PM C-Hammer wrote: Irex wrote: In fact I looked up an old Tabitha Stevens title- American Dream Girls on IAFD from Jill Kelly's Dream Time Entertainment, released 1998 (or so, IAFD can be wrong...) The cast list is a superstar lineup: * Alicia Rio * J.R. Carrington * Kaitlyn Ashley * Kylie Ireland * Lexus Locklear * Lovette * Marilyn Star * Missy * P.J. Sparxx * Rebecca Wild * Sid Deuce * Tabitha Stevens Of the cast, 8 out of 12 superstars did IR scenes during the heyday of their career and I can't think of one who didn't remain a boxcover star. Click to expand You either have information I don't or you have a different definition of "heyday" lol. I count 4 out of the 12 that did IR and could actually fit the description of "boxcover star". The Great Kylie Ireland ( her name will always be prefaced by "The Great" in my posts lol) Lexus Locklear ( whose star shone brightly, but briefly) Missy ( see Lexus ) Rebecca Wild ( who was awesome until she made her boobs waaaaaaay too big) I suppose you are including the gangbang scene Kaitlyn Ashley did in the movie "Head Trip" in which she fucked and sucked Jake Steed briefly but I'm not sure I would include it lol. Now this is not to shoot down your post or create a anti-interracial sentiment. I actually agree with some of what you had to say and I personally love IR porn. In the 90's IR porn was a lot more taboo than it is now and A-List girls like Tabitha, Jill Kelly and the like almost never did it. ( I'll give you the four I mentioned above as being exceptions.) In that regard, I think we should cut Tabitha a little bit of slack . For whatever reason she didnt think it was right for her at the time, she does now. I'm down;) Click to expand Well of the girls listed I think everyone commanded boxcovers during their careers- the point of the dreamgirls series was that these were several top flight and near top flight girls. Now as to did IR- JR Carrington- Yes- one time in cumm brothers 5 with Wolf Savage http://theater.aebn.net/dispatcher/movieDetail?movieId=21816&theaterId=35551 might have been her first movie, actually... Alicia Rio definitely, even a cursory look through her titles will show she did about ten or so IR scenes. Some people dont count latina/black as IR, if so fine, but that's a technicality... Lovette- yes- mostly with Jake Steed, but she also did Wolf Savage and some other guys. Look her on the sometimes right IAFD, and you can find visual evidence by clicking a few links... Marylin Star- Yep, with Santino Lee in Rising Stars from VCA. he may have a small dick but it still counts. In any case, I'm not against a girl deciding when is right or whatever. I'm not militant about the number of scenes or that the girl "love black cock." I'm more annoyed because this is a business and its a bad business decision. I don't really care if I scared off some girl who is going to wait until she's done a five tranny gangbang movie before a black man. To me, it's an insult to my purchasing power that I'm told to wait longer than just about everyone else. Look, doing your first IR pays well after you're established, right? To all the guys out there, if somebody told you could get a big paycheck in three years instead of ten years from now, when you might not even be in this line of work and essentially forfeit that big check, wouldn't you take it in three years? I'm not saying this is Tabitha's case, but I don't understand why smart business people let race become such a huge factor in their decision. Hopefully that answer was succinct enough... [Link]
Ally Kay18 Member This is a girl who lost her reputation and never missed it ;) 74 Posts 9/09	Posted - Nov 30 2009 : 1:53AM Jeeze Tabitha...... I hope that I grow to have a following like this! To where even announcing that you are going to try something new sexually sparks this kind of debate. The funny thing is, whether they realize it or not, your 'haters' (who will most likely be buying your scene anyways) are promoting your scene right now. LOL. P.S. Checked out the Promo on your site and I am SO excited for it! :) [Link]
tabithastevens Member Tabitha Stevens, Porn Super Star, Celebrity TV personality, Regular guest on Howard Stern,Dr.90210, 264 Posts 7/09	Posted - Nov 30 2009 : 2:30PM Awwww, Thank You Miss Ally:). Just ENJOY your career and have NO regrets. Do what YOU want to do. You are a beautiful and talented young woman. The world is yours ! I hope that Everyone who was able to see the trailer enjoyed it! After I shoot my IR scene I will be sure to post some pics on here for you guys:). www.tabithastevens.com [Link]
LLvladk Deactivated User 121 Posts 10/09	Posted - Nov 30 2009 : 3:09PM Ally Kay18 wrote: Jeeze Tabitha...... I hope that I grow to have a following like this! To where even announcing that you are going to try something new sexually sparks this kind of debate. The funny thing is, whether they realize it or not, your 'haters' (who will most likely be buying your scene anyways) are promoting your scene right now. LOL. P.S. Checked out the Promo on your site and I am SO excited for it! :) Click to expand Ally, most true IR lovers are happy with this. Ally when you get older and decide to try IR we will be happy to welcome you to the dark side. You are hot enough to last in this business as long as Tabitha. [Link]
tritone Deactivated User 1009 Posts 4/03	Posted - Nov 30 2009 : 4:04PM LLvladk wrote: Ally, most true IR lovers are happy with this. Ally when you get older and decide to try IR we will be happy to welcome you to the dark side. You are hot enough to last in this business as long as Tabitha. Click to expand That's the thing. Why does it have to be when she is "older"? Why can't we enjoy her in an IR scene now? Contrary to any urban legends, there is no special experience you have gain in order to have sex with a black man. The same parts fit. The same rules apply. Not all black men are huge beasts with massive cocks. If you're not doing IR now, then it's obvious what the reason is. [Link]
deputyduffy Member 396 Posts 8/08	Posted - Nov 30 2009 : 4:52PM Nimrod wrote: supa_dupa09 wrote: ] That deputyduffy guy I think he is anti IR, so I agree with you, but he is also very strange and kind of a nutbag himself. Click to expand There is something we can agree on. He is a real WEIRDO and more. Click to expand LOL...Being called a weirdo by a guy called NIMROD. ----- Anyways, think what you want about me....but this is a thread about Tabitha doing a IR scene...which is cool with me...I've said it before, she should do what makes her happy. Tabitha rocks...and will always. [Link]
qz3fwd Member 141 Posts 1/06	Posted - Nov 30 2009 : 8:55PM Give me a friggin break. "I'm pacing myself...I waited because X/Y/Z...blah.blah.blah"=>EOC Money Grab. The vast majority of folk in the jizz biz are in it for business reasons-MONEY. All the other explanations are steamin piles of BS. I bet Tabitha is, as can be seen by the: "Hey guys, I finally did an IR scene..and you'll get a (price) discount on my website" statement. Follow the money as always. Edited by - qz3fwd on 11/30/2009 8:56:15 PM Edited by - qz3fwd on 11/30/2009 9:00:07 PM [Link]
tabithastevens Member Tabitha Stevens, Porn Super Star, Celebrity TV personality, Regular guest on Howard Stern,Dr.90210, 264 Posts 7/09	Posted - Nov 30 2009 : 9:52PM Yes, SEX is my JOB. And doing an IR scene is a BIG DEAL to me. And YES I am going to make $$$ like everyone else in my business, from doing this scene. Did you read through ALL of the posts? If so you should note that I have had IR experiences in my personal life. I am now going to SHARE an IR experience with MY fans. If YOU do not want to watch it , then DON'T. I am BEGGING you NOT to! Go post on someone else's thread! Last time I checked porn stars got PAID for their JOB doing scenes. ALL kinds of scenes. Why does there have to be so much NEGATIVITY? www.tabithastevens.com [Link]
xayhoundb Senior Member 2721 Posts 11/08	Posted - Dec 1 2009 : 1:58AM Ally Kay18 wrote: Jeeze Tabitha...... I hope that I grow to have a following like this! To where even announcing that you are going to try something new sexually sparks this kind of debate. The funny thing is, whether they realize it or not, your 'haters' (who will most likely be buying your scene anyways) are promoting your scene right now. LOL. Click to expand As you can see Tabitha, IR is very controversial. It's very touchy topic and it's way beyond "something new sexually" because it's actually nothing different. When its made to be this way, that's when the hounds come out. Only people that are appearing to be haters are the people that get offended when doing a (black guy= more money). This might not be what you intended tho. Just make sure it's one hell of a scene, and that's something no one can argue about lol. [Link]
Nimrod Member 624 Posts 7/09	Posted - Dec 1 2009 : 2:06AM tabithastevens wrote: Yes, SEX is my JOB. And doing an IR scene is a BIG DEAL to me. And YES I am going to make $$$ like everyone else in my business, from doing this scene. Did you read through ALL of the posts? If so you should note that I have had IR experiences in my personal life. I am now going to SHARE an IR experience with MY fans. If YOU do not want to watch it , then DON'T. I am BEGGING you NOT to! Go post on someone else's thread! Last time I checked porn stars got PAID for their JOB doing scenes. ALL kinds of scenes. Why does there have to be so much NEGATIVITY? www.tabithastevens.com Click to expand Good to see you going off on this guy. He should have known better if he'd read the forum etiquettes. You said 2 weeks...does that mean you have one week to go now? [Link]

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Jordan1
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Posted - Nov 25 2009 : 1:01PM

Thanks Tabitha for explaining this. You've cleared up the confusion.

I guess IAFD will have to make a special note on those scenes. Maybe a "jerk-off only" note?
Oh, BTW. Where did the cum from them land? Was it on you, if so, face, tits, or the other girls?

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Irex
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Posted - Nov 25 2009 : 10:53PM

Not calling you a racist or anything, but I'd actually prefer at this stage you didn't actually do IR. Your explanation of pacing your career makes sense to a degree except for the fact that you're Tabitha Stevens. You're a boxcover girl, a crossover star who's appeared in mainstream media. You're simply too well known a commodity to have to do that. Girls you can't name, or girls with a small fanbase and little notoriety are the kind of girls who have to pace themselves thusly. Girls like yourself, Nina Hartley, Janine, Jenna Jameson, etc. are rare and few; mainstream folks know your name well from non porn appearances.
The other point someone made about Julia Ann and Lisa Ann, waiting...well, look at Lisa Ann and Dyanna Lauren- both did do Interracial (Lisa Ann in Pussyman Auditions and Dyanna in The Zone) in their first few years in the industry and it didn't diminish their impact later on as can plainly be seen in their victorious comebacks several years later. Julia Ann actually did shoot an IR scene and photos from it have made the rounds on the internet for years, it just didn't get released. The same happened with Savanna Samson- her homemade IR has been on the internet for years and it didn't stop a fervor for her first Vivid Blackmaled production.
My problem, and again I'm not calling anyone a racist, and I'm not pressuring a girl to do IR if she doesn't want to, but as a black fan I don't like being treated like the last gasp of a dying career. Like the starlet is saying, "sorry, you can wait fifteen years to see this scene, if I ever do it at all."
That just doesn't seem fair to me and the only way I can combat that thinking is to lessen the profit margin for that thinking. I won't buy a scene if a girl waits until the tail end of her career. I didn't buy Shayla LaVeaux's and I won't buy this one. I think an A- List girl, a well known girl can make as much money by increasing her fanbase early in her career and including black fans by letting them see her scenes with black actors. There's plenty of big name girls currently working who've done IR and they seem to have long and profitable careers.
I'll quickly admit there are some terrible productions out there and a girl should stick with top names like Lex Steele and Jules Jordan when he does IR and that it need not be a frequent component of a girl's career, but if you feel like it's going to be something you intend to do (again not asking for pressure on a girl- I don't want this post warped into a racist diatribe) it should be done when the iron's hot, within the first few years, not after fans have had to wait a decade or more. That's just gonna cause resentment. I seem to remember most fans weren't happy that Janine started doing B/G scenes after (and during)the point she'd gotten a ton of tattoos. You can wait too long and the fans aren't gonna be satisfied.
Look at Jenna Haze, she waited about four and a half years, still at the peak of her popularity and did her Darkside movie. Has her career diminished at all? Four years later she's still a boxcover girl and a top draw in the business.
So I fear that when a girl waits until just before she intends to retire to work with a black actor, it reinforces a stereotype that IR is bad for your career, it'll only provide a brief monetary bump at the very end so save it as a last ditch effort.
So in summary, not calling anyone racist, not saying a girl has to do IR scenes, but I don't like when it's a calculated effort to save it for the very end of a career. It won't win me over as a fan at all and in fact will turn me off to the scene.
I much prefer a star who treats scenes with black men (in quality productions) as something that will enhance their career and build their fanbase.

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supa_dupa09
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Posted - Nov 26 2009 : 4:04AM

Some good points Irex ^^ But like I have stated on here before, I think it is more so these agencies, that softcore scene she said she did she produced it and her husband directed it. I think jenny hendrix from what I know so far is the only one that did it for those reasons you state because her scene with lex was fake, no energy, and sucked in the bad way, Im surprised she took the facial not to mention she was heard saying racist things on myspace. Like I said as long as its not racism, I dont care how long a pornstar would wait to do interracial, because its not nothing negative so... Nothing to really turn me off about them.
Now Alexis Texas on the other hand I wouldnt buy it either if she did interracial in fact if she do, I hope it gets heavy bootlegged on the internet, and people see it for free and not buy the shit, because she starred in a scene where racism was evident, and you knew what they were doing. As a black man, not worth it bowing to her, as she probably love black men doing.
I havent seen any reason to not watch her first hardcore IR scene. As long as its fire, and it seems like she have no problem from her softcore IR scene bringin it!

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LLvladk
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Posted - Nov 26 2009 : 11:20AM

IRex you need to understand that times have changed in porn. Doing IR when Tabitha started isn't the same as doing IR in 2009. Except for very few, none of the big names at that time were doing IR. I'm glad she did it. Later is better than never. Tabitha welcome to the darkside.

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RectomRamington
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Posted - Nov 26 2009 : 7:49PM

Is kinda late but if its Mandingo anal ill forgive you. Hay you never know, she did say mad skills

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Nimrod
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Posted - Nov 26 2009 : 11:15PM

Tabitha because it's taken very long there is going to be some haters but don't mind them. They will come here and say all kind of things but they will check it out. This isn't the first or last time this is doing to happen. Do your thing.
Edited by - Nimrod on 11/26/2009 11:16:59 PM

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Irex
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Posted - Nov 26 2009 : 11:21PM

That's your opinion and you're welcome to it. I think there are plenty of big names have done IR at the peak of their career in any era because they chose to do it. Rhonda Jo Petty, Desiree Cousteau, Marilyn Chambers, Ginger Lynn, Victoria Paris, Rachel Ryan, Ashlyn Gere, Jeanna Fine Nina Hartley, Shanna McCullough, Gina Lynn, Christy Canyon (I know- a lot of people don't consider Jake Steed scenes to be IR, that's a whole other discussion...) and the list goes on. In any point in porn I can find several upper tier stars who are doing IR.
Some top names simply don't and they have every right not to do IR. But it doesn't seem to have ever damaged a top girl's career. I don't know of any example of it.
Some may argue appearing in "Negro, get out my wife" type titles will lead to a dismal porn career and I wouldn't disagree. However, appearing in dimestore, low rent all white productions isn't a key to a long career either.
The tide changed long ago, probably close to ten years ago with the quality productions coming from a number of producers, most notably the productions that Lex Steele produced. Vince Vouyer, Jules Jordan and several others were putting out high quality gonzo IR that was as good as anything that Stagliano or John Leslie or any other good director were putting on shelves. Sales were excellent and IR girls were certainly doing as much work as anyone else.
I can't believe someone as savvy as Tabitha didn't notice the change in quality. She's simply too shrewd a marketer and does too good a job as her own hype machine. These are good qualities and connote a certain level of smarts about the business.
If someone didn't want to meet her price or whatever, that's business and I really can't comment on that, but to believe that there was no indication until very nearly 2010 that Tabitha could probably swing a few IR scenes without hurting her long term career plans just seems a narrow not well thought out plan.
It's a testament to Tabitha's business savvy that I don't believe she didn't perceive the change in the business for almost a decade now...

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tabithastevens
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Posted - Nov 26 2009 : 11:43PM

WOW! Intense convo going on here. No, I do not need to do an IR scene. I WANT to do an IR scene.
Back in 2003 & 2004 I had two VERY HOT IR experiences in my personal life. (How I wish I could have filmed them). One of the men, who was absolutely stunning, had the BIGGEST cock I've EVER scene. It was so big that when I sat up on top of it I could only fit a quarter of it in me. I tried so hard to take more of that GIANT MONSTER, but I just couldn't. Trying to do it was the best part. Hell, my big ass mouth was barely able to take it, but I did manage to fill it up;). I would love to share a real experience like that with my fans.
To me, there's a time and a place for everything. The place is Vegas and the time is NOW.
Thank you for your thoughts, concerns and encouragement!
www.tabithastevens.com

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mgavin
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Posted - Nov 27 2009 : 1:04AM

Hey Tabitha,
Are u going to work with Lex Steel or Rico Strong soon?? I love to one of them fuck u in the ur ass with their big black cocks

I'm Skeletor

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tabithastevens
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7/09

Posted - Nov 27 2009 : 1:42PM

Not ready for an IR anal scene. Finger banging it for now while I get plowed. ;)
www.tabithastevens.com

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Irex
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Posted - Nov 27 2009 : 3:12PM

Well, I'm not here to hijack the thread or dampen Tabitha's celebration. Unless someone directly challenges an assertion I've made or addresses me with a specific question, I won't likely post on this again.
Let me just say as Tabitha says it's the right time for her, it's not the right time for me. As one of thousands of buyers out there, I've got to take a stand with my money and support projects that come in a timely enough fashion to suit my tastes.
If I don't, the class of girls entering porn right now will think it's fine to do their first IR scene in the year 2025. That's simply too long. A girl has every right to pace her career as she sees fits. As a consumer though, I have every right to demand certain projects in a timely fashion. If Robert Downey and Jon Favreau said "we're not gonna make Iron Man 2 until 2018", I'd be disappointed and less likely to support the project. They know it and that's why the sequel comes out within three years. My interracial porn dollar is sitting right here, but it goes to projects that come when I want to see them.
Yes there's a racial component to the decision, but it's a business decision as well and I fear people lose sight of that when the discussion becomes about pressuring a girl and trading barbs about being racist.
What's also interesting is that many companies that produce IR scenes claim much of the market is actually white men who are purchasing the product, which makes sense given the amount of cuckold amateur video produced. There's obviously a strong market for this product across the board and as long as people stick to old conventions about the business (i.e. you can't display IR titles in certain parts of the country-well you don't have to, so much of the business is now directly to the internet, 80% of fans will never have to touch a box and bring it the counter so Cletus can see it and know that you're a fan of miscegnation) you're going to have this old style thinking of avoiding IR during the bulk of the career if you want to be a top girl.
In fact I looked up an old Tabitha Stevens title- American Dream Girls on IAFD from Jill Kelly's Dream Time Entertainment, released 1998 (or so, IAFD can be wrong...)
The cast list is a superstar lineup:
* Alicia Rio
* J.R. Carrington
* Kaitlyn Ashley
* Kylie Ireland
* Lexus Locklear
* Lovette
* Marilyn Star
* Missy
* P.J. Sparxx
* Rebecca Wild
* Sid Deuce
* Tabitha Stevens
Of the cast, 8 out of 12 superstars did IR scenes during the heyday of their career and I can't think of one who didn't remain a boxcover star. Look if a girl has personal reasons for singling out an actor of a different race, I'll accept it, as her right to choose. But business wise, it makes no sense. For an extended period (5-10 years or more) you lose a bulk of the black consumers and you lose white consumers who like IR sex. Even if its just a fraction, 15% of the overall market, that could translate into some serious money over time. The mindset that says "wait" for business reasons just doesn't make sense to me at all. It's a holdover from the contract girl mentality when there weren't a thousand girls in the business and a couple of million websites all vying for the same bucks. I remember the old days when one or two movies A WEEK would be released. Now I could go to a couple of websites, and watch thousands of scenes without any effort. People like to blame the filesharing and other internet related factors for the low sales.
I just know that if half the girls I like would do IR, I'd buy their scenes right now. But five years from now, I'll lose interest...

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Nimrod
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Posted - Nov 27 2009 : 4:21PM

Christy Canyon IR? Please... As far as IR is concerned I give Tabitha Stevens more credit than Christy Canyon even if she waited this long. I don't think that Tabitha Stevens would be coming here saying that she did her first IR if her scene was with Jake Steed and Billy Dee. Why don't you put Hannah West, Kristina Rose, Rachel Roxx and Missy Stone in that list then? All 4 of them have worked with Ramon who is darker than Jake Steed and Billy Dee. Those 4 girls will be the first to tell you they've never done IR.
Edited by - Nimrod on 11/27/2009 4:47:23 PM

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Nimrod
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Posted - Nov 27 2009 : 4:26PM

He couldn't fit it in? Did you get any pleasure from that experience? Who (or how big)is the biggest cock you ever had besides that one?

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deputyduffy
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Posted - Nov 27 2009 : 5:42PM

Welcome Irex...In your three posts you have already joined the gang of IR freaks who call this board home... Can't believe that you're not even satisfied because Tabitha waited too long to feel the black man's power...Then you suggest that she might influence younger white girls to do the same. Then, you just went on and on and on.
Please, this is so funny...just let Tabitha run her life the way she wants...if she wants to do white/black/tan/brown/ whatever...it's her life...her career.
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Tabitha, I'm just happy you're here...happy your still working.
Best of luck
DD

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lack100
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Posted - Nov 27 2009 : 6:58PM

i agree 100% with Irex.

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lack100
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Posted - Nov 27 2009 : 6:58PM

i agree 100% with Irex.

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Nimrod
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Posted - Nov 27 2009 : 9:26PM

Even though I think IRex made some valid points, the past is the past. We can't go back to 1999 and ask her to do IR. What is the point of bringing back the reason why she never did it? What are we gonna accomplish doing that? There are racist women in this industry that won't do IR even if they are still active in the business in their 90s and confined to a wheelchair. At least she did it. Fuck, some women start in this business in their mid 40s and dodge till they retire. Let's be happy for her and not give an impression to others that IR fans are bitter and irrational. As you can see Deputyduffy, who is well known for his anti IR views and more is already having fun with these complaints.
Edited by - Nimrod on 11/27/2009 9:37:35 PM

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tabithastevens
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Posted - Nov 27 2009 : 9:37PM

I'm speechless.........That's because I have a GIANT black cock in my mouth! JK. All you guys are great.
www.tabithastevens.com

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Irex
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Posted - Nov 27 2009 : 10:21PM

I always find it sad when someone chooses to refute your argument by making a joke. Congratulations, you're a porn fan on a porn board making fun of someone else for taking porn too seriously.
By the way, you've got over 200 posts on a porn board.
Do you see how that's just demeaning instead of making a discussion?
Ah well, I've said several times I thought Tabitha was a smart businesswoman and had every right to make her choices. Guess you skipped over those parts...

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deputyduffy
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Posted - Nov 28 2009 : 12:07AM

Hey Irex, Look, you've already gut groupies...see it was no joke.
Plus...I'm not anti IR.
Just don't like witch hunts...or the 2009 porn version...the IR hunt...
You know sort of like this: Hey guys lets look at EVERY white performer that is in porn or has been in porn and see if she has ever had sex with a black man....YAH dude, cuz if she hasn't or doesn't...well she must be (fill in blank here).
If anything, I think your mission on this board has backfired. I personally feel you guys have turned more people OFF to IR then gotten White female performers to do IR.
But anyhooo...Tabitha I know C.P.R if you need it... (See that was a joke).

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C-Hammer
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Posted - Nov 28 2009 : 2:18AM

You either have information I don't or you have a different definition of "heyday" lol. I count 4 out of the 12 that did IR and could actually fit the description of "boxcover star".
The Great Kylie Ireland ( her name will always be prefaced by "The Great" in my posts lol)
Lexus Locklear ( whose star shone brightly, but briefly)
Missy ( see Lexus )
Rebecca Wild ( who was awesome until she made her boobs waaaaaaay too big)
I suppose you are including the gangbang scene Kaitlyn Ashley did in the movie "Head Trip" in which she fucked and sucked Jake Steed briefly but I'm not sure I would include it lol.
Now this is not to shoot down your post or create a anti-interracial sentiment. I actually agree with some of what you had to say and I personally love IR porn. In the 90's IR porn was a lot more taboo than it is now and A-List girls like Tabitha, Jill Kelly and the like almost never did it. ( I'll give you the four I mentioned above as being exceptions.)
In that regard, I think we should cut Tabitha a little bit of slack . For whatever reason she didnt think it was right for her at the time, she does now. I'm down;)

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C-Hammer
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Posted - Nov 28 2009 : 2:23AM

You really think the posters on this board have the power to change one's sexual preferences? I doubt it...

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Nimrod
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Posted - Nov 28 2009 : 8:13AM

Deputyduffy has made his views on IR pretty clear but you have to give him credit for his calculated racially charged comments...he never makes them way too obvious.

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tabithastevens
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Posted - Nov 28 2009 : 8:26PM

I believe that Leisure Time Entertainment put that title out. Many of those girls were out of the business when Jill Kelly had her company. Besides those are compilation scenes. Did Sid even do IR?
You have to remember that in 1995 when I got into the business that I was told by many people to pace my career. It has worked for me. I'm still around after taking 7 years off. I have many things that I still haven't done ( which I find to be very cool and exciting). When I go out to dinner, I nibble on a salad, eat part of my main course and save room for my dessert. Same applies to my career:D.
Again, I thank all of you for your interest in my scene which is about to be filmed.
www.tabithastevens.com

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MarcusGoebbelsX
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Posted - Nov 28 2009 : 8:37PM

I'm a Black man and I've never slept with a White woman. If all goes well, I never will. I have plenty of White female friends though and I love them just as I would love any of my other friends. I respect a White woman that doesn't like Black men. I just sympathize for the Black men that are attracted tot hem. We have to learn to let go and love ourselves and our own race.
(PS: I never liked White women sexually, I was into Japanese girls for a stint though).

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tabithastevens
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Posted - Nov 28 2009 : 8:39PM

That's very cool that you are being honest. Nothing wrong with that.
www.tabithastevens.com

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C-Hammer
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Posted - Nov 28 2009 : 9:15PM

To my knowledge, Sid Deuce never did IR. She always reminded me of Jill Kelly in some ways. Not quite as attractive, but still sexy enough to turn heads. There are too many girls from that era (Sid, Jill, Kaitlyn, Jenna J,Serenity,Devon and so on) that a lot of folks wanted to do IR but never did for whatever reason. Water under the bridge now. Holding a grudge is just stupid, and I personally am glad that 2009 is the year that you can cross the names of Shayla Laveaux and Tabitha Stevens off of that list;)

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tabithastevens
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Posted - Nov 28 2009 : 10:53PM

Indeed C-Hammer:).
www.tabithastevens.com

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Nimrod
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Posted - Nov 29 2009 : 1:02AM

Seriously, what does this have to do with this thread? A woman does IR and you feel the need to bore us with your personal preferences and life? Given that you are new here and chose to post in the wrong section, I seriously doubt you are black in the first place...more likely some white dude trying to use reverse psychology to preach "purity of his race". Your last sentence "We have to learn to let go and love ourselves and our own race." in an IR thread gave you away. A black guy who doesn't care for IR ( I know there are many) will not be writing this kind of thing in an IR thread on his 3 rd post.
Edited by - Nimrod on 11/29/2009 1:13:39 AM

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MarcusGoebbelsX
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Posted - Nov 29 2009 : 1:22AM

An honest person draws the color line out int he open; a dishonest person draws it at their childrens' bedroom door.

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supa_dupa09
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Posted - Nov 29 2009 : 6:35AM

You would of been better off saying a white woman that isnt attracted to black men, rather than like. That could mean anything such as you respect racism, MY BROTHA! lol.
I dont get why some black men trip out over white women who dont do IR neither, so I sort of agree with you except Im attracted to white women, lol. But I dont respect anybody who doesnt like my race, I dont even really respect people who isnt attracted for real, It is what it is to me.
Dont pay it no mind.
I respect people who I took the time out to get to know if they deserve respect. Respect is a powerful word, got to be careful How you throw that out. (just a suggestion.)
Edited by - supa_dupa09 on 11/29/2009 6:38:38 AM

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supa_dupa09
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Posted - Nov 29 2009 : 7:08AM

That deputyduffy guy I think he is anti IR, so I agree with you, but he is also very strange and kind of a nutbag himself. I remember on a thread where I made a suggestion about
a white porn starlet coming into the business doing only black men, since it was ok for the girls to choose who they want to fuck. Doesnt seem that way when in talks about whitegirls only fucking black guys, because there are girls of every race including black girls that only fuck whiteguys. But anyways he said somethin I dont know if agreed with me or he didnt. I do agree with him about these what HE calls witch hunts, but thats only because thats the first time I understood him.
This whole racial thing to me is starting to look funny, because the same people in and out of the industry that defends girls who dont do IR is the same people that whenever a girl that only does IR is suggested say that "Oh they wont last long", "Thats racism", "You cant have a career doing only black guys." (Marie Luv and Marcus London are the 2 notcieable ones who have said it.)
Even though there is a market in IR porn, and before anyone knew spring thomas had done whiteguys on film in the past she made a pretty INfamous but succesful career doing only black guys and was well known amongst blacks.
But they seem to be complaining about that, JUST like the ones who complain about girls who DONT do IR. They are doing the same thing to each other. Which is why ONE of the reasons I think it is good to go out and bring a whitegirl or whitegirls that only does black guys. Because it will expose the other side alot more that they are just the same when it comes to girls who dont do whiteguys.
I hear CJ Wright is trying to contact a girl by the name of veronica of veronicasgotback.com, who is into black men. So if it is a go with her doing porn, that could be a reality and oh how the fireworks will go off if that happens.
Sorry tabitha for the hijacking, sometimes these arguements
is just makes you.... I dont even have words to explain it.

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MarcusGoebbelsX
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Posted - Nov 29 2009 : 7:20AM

Supa, I respect racism. I can be racist too. It all depends on how you define racism.

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tabithastevens
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Posted - Nov 29 2009 : 3:05PM

Hey, that's why ADT has these boards to post on. As long as Everyone can be cool to each other at the end of the day, I'm happy:).
www.tabithastevens.com

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Everett
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Posted - Nov 29 2009 : 3:40PM

Tabitha, in boy/girl scenes, whether you're with a white guy or black guy etc, I would like to see some kissing. I think kissing is the most ignored thing in porn. Actually that's why I always liked real life man & wife teams in porn, ie Steve & Susan Vegas(early 90s). Maybe Mark and Francesca can do a scene where they do a lot of kissing and smooching before going to 'home base' if you will. Some candlelight, white wine. Call me romantic. Not Candida Royale type candlelight scene, that's too soft. But some good petting, kissing, frenching with the dude giving her a good muff-out before bj or fuck. I'd like to see you maybe do that kind of scene with a black guy, not a gangsta type scene, Im sick of that appeal already. I want to see him carry you into the bedroom, that kind of thing.

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mgavin
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Posted - Nov 29 2009 : 3:40PM

Hi Tabitha,
How r u?? Are u plaining to do a blowbang in the near future?? I wanted to ask u this question, do like Howard Stern or Opie & Anthony?? Did u ever or never listen to Opie & Anthony??

I'm Skeletor

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Nimrod
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Posted - Nov 29 2009 : 4:16PM

I told you this guy was a clown, who was pretending to be black just to give black men a bad name. No wonder he got banned. He must have been another anti IR dude alias.

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Nimrod
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Posted - Nov 29 2009 : 4:45PM

There is something we can agree on. He is a real WEIRDO and more.

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tabithastevens
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Posted - Nov 29 2009 : 7:17PM

Everett: Note taken. I am all about the kissing myself. It's very sexy (especially with my long tongue). I will be sure to do some HOT kissing in my IR scene. In my new feature film (yes I produced it and star in it and my hubby, Gary Orona, directed it) that is due out at the end of January from Sex Line Sinema titled 'The Vampire Sex Diaries' has that sexiness about it. The cast includes:
Jenna Haze
Sophia Santi
Ashlynn Rae
Ally Kay
Cheynne Collins
Jay Lassiter
Mr. Stevens
and of course Myself
You can view the free promo on my website to see what I mean.
I have never been on Opie & Anthony. Of course I know who they are. I do like Jimmy Norton. He's a funny guy. I am a Howard Stern favorite guest and fan of his show.
www.tabithastevens.com

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mgavin
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Posted - Nov 29 2009 : 9:45PM

Are u going to do a blowbang in the near future??

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Irex
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Posted - Nov 29 2009 : 9:56PM

C-Hammer wrote:
Irex wrote:
In fact I looked up an old Tabitha Stevens title- American Dream Girls on IAFD from Jill Kelly's Dream Time Entertainment, released 1998 (or so, IAFD can be wrong...)
The cast list is a superstar lineup:
* Alicia Rio
* J.R. Carrington
* Kaitlyn Ashley
* Kylie Ireland
* Lexus Locklear
* Lovette
* Marilyn Star
* Missy
* P.J. Sparxx
* Rebecca Wild
* Sid Deuce
* Tabitha Stevens
Of the cast, 8 out of 12 superstars did IR scenes during the heyday of their career and I can't think of one who didn't remain a boxcover star.
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You either have information I don't or you have a different definition of "heyday" lol. I count 4 out of the 12 that did IR and could actually fit the description of "boxcover star".
The Great Kylie Ireland ( her name will always be prefaced by "The Great" in my posts lol)
Lexus Locklear ( whose star shone brightly, but briefly)
Missy ( see Lexus )
Rebecca Wild ( who was awesome until she made her boobs waaaaaaay too big)
I suppose you are including the gangbang scene Kaitlyn Ashley did in the movie "Head Trip" in which she fucked and sucked Jake Steed briefly but I'm not sure I would include it lol.
Now this is not to shoot down your post or create a anti-interracial sentiment. I actually agree with some of what you had to say and I personally love IR porn. In the 90's IR porn was a lot more taboo than it is now and A-List girls like Tabitha, Jill Kelly and the like almost never did it. ( I'll give you the four I mentioned above as being exceptions.)
In that regard, I think we should cut Tabitha a little bit of slack . For whatever reason she didnt think it was right for her at the time, she does now. I'm down;)
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Well of the girls listed I think everyone commanded boxcovers during their careers- the point of the dreamgirls series was that these were several top flight and near top flight girls.
Now as to did IR-
JR Carrington- Yes- one time in cumm brothers 5 with Wolf Savage
http://theater.aebn.net/dispatcher/movieDetail?movieId=21816&theaterId=35551
might have been her first movie, actually...
Alicia Rio definitely, even a cursory look through her titles will show she did about ten or so IR scenes. Some people dont count latina/black as IR, if so fine, but that's a technicality...
Lovette- yes- mostly with Jake Steed, but she also did Wolf Savage and some other guys. Look her on the sometimes right IAFD, and you can find visual evidence by clicking a few links...
Marylin Star- Yep, with Santino Lee in Rising Stars from VCA. he may have a small dick but it still counts.
In any case, I'm not against a girl deciding when is right or whatever. I'm not militant about the number of scenes or that the girl "love black cock."
I'm more annoyed because this is a business and its a bad business decision.
I don't really care if I scared off some girl who is going to wait until she's done a five tranny gangbang movie before a black man. To me, it's an insult to my purchasing power that I'm told to wait longer than just about everyone else.
Look, doing your first IR pays well after you're established, right?
To all the guys out there, if somebody told you could get a big paycheck in three years instead of ten years from now, when you might not even be in this line of work and essentially forfeit that big check, wouldn't you take it in three years?
I'm not saying this is Tabitha's case, but I don't understand why smart business people let race become such a huge factor in their decision.
Hopefully that answer was succinct enough...

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Ally Kay18
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Posted - Nov 30 2009 : 1:53AM

Jeeze Tabitha...... I hope that I grow to have a following like this! To where even announcing that you are going to try something new sexually sparks this kind of debate. The funny thing is, whether they realize it or not, your 'haters' (who will most likely be buying your scene anyways) are promoting your scene right now. LOL.
P.S.
Checked out the Promo on your site and I am SO excited for it! :)

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tabithastevens
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Posted - Nov 30 2009 : 2:30PM

Awwww, Thank You Miss Ally:). Just ENJOY your career and have NO regrets. Do what YOU want to do. You are a beautiful and talented young woman. The world is yours !
I hope that Everyone who was able to see the trailer enjoyed it!
After I shoot my IR scene I will be sure to post some pics on here for you guys:).
www.tabithastevens.com

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LLvladk
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Posted - Nov 30 2009 : 3:09PM

Ally, most true IR lovers are happy with this. Ally when you get older and decide to try IR we will be happy to welcome you to the dark side. You are hot enough to last in this business as long as Tabitha.

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tritone
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Posted - Nov 30 2009 : 4:04PM

That's the thing. Why does it have to be when she is "older"? Why can't we enjoy her in an IR scene now? Contrary to any urban legends, there is no special experience you have gain in order to have sex with a black man. The same parts fit. The same rules apply. Not all black men are huge beasts with massive cocks.
If you're not doing IR now, then it's obvious what the reason is.

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deputyduffy
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Posted - Nov 30 2009 : 4:52PM

LOL...Being called a weirdo by a guy called NIMROD.
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Anyways, think what you want about me....but this is a thread about Tabitha doing a IR scene...which is cool with me...I've said it before, she should do what makes her happy.
Tabitha rocks...and will always.

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qz3fwd
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Posted - Nov 30 2009 : 8:55PM

Give me a friggin break.
"I'm pacing myself...I waited because X/Y/Z...blah.blah.blah"=>EOC Money Grab.
The vast majority of folk in the jizz biz are in it for business reasons-MONEY.
All the other explanations are steamin piles of BS.
I bet Tabitha is, as can be seen by the: "Hey guys, I finally did an IR scene..and you'll get a (price) discount on my website" statement.
Follow the money as always.
Edited by - qz3fwd on 11/30/2009 8:56:15 PM
Edited by - qz3fwd on 11/30/2009 9:00:07 PM

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tabithastevens
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Posted - Nov 30 2009 : 9:52PM

Yes, SEX is my JOB. And doing an IR scene is a BIG DEAL to me. And YES I am going to make $$$ like everyone else in my business, from doing this scene. Did you read through ALL of the posts? If so you should note that I have had IR experiences in my personal life. I am now going to SHARE an IR experience with MY fans. If YOU do not want to watch it , then DON'T. I am BEGGING you NOT to!
Go post on someone else's thread!
Last time I checked porn stars got PAID for their JOB doing scenes. ALL kinds of scenes. Why does there have to be so much NEGATIVITY?
www.tabithastevens.com

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xayhoundb
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Posted - Dec 1 2009 : 1:58AM

As you can see Tabitha, IR is very controversial. It's very touchy topic and it's way beyond "something new sexually" because it's actually nothing different. When its made to be this way, that's when the hounds come out. Only people that are appearing to be haters are the people that get offended when doing a (black guy= more money). This might not be what you intended tho.
Just make sure it's one hell of a scene, and that's something no one can argue about lol.

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Nimrod
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Posted - Dec 1 2009 : 2:06AM

Good to see you going off on this guy. He should have known better if he'd read the forum etiquettes. You said 2 weeks...does that mean you have one week to go now?

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