Tarantino looking for pornstars (page 2)

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burningdownthehouse Member 93 Posts 5/08	Posted - Jul 19 2008 : 2:29PM I'd say Audrey Hollander, Hillary Scott and Belladonna, although she is noticeably younger than the other three. This may be suited more for Charlie's Angels, but I like the concept of a blonde, brunette and a redhead. [Link]
burningdownthehouse Member 93 Posts 5/08	Posted - Jul 19 2008 : 2:31PM john lyons wrote: Tarantino annoys me. He's giving exploitation films a bum rap. He's a fanboy with money doing what all fanboys with money would like to do: makes movies that rip off their favorite films to show them off to the "ignorant" mainstream in order to take credit for "exposing" the ignorant mainstream to said films. Tarantino is a bland, unoriginal filmmaker with a big ego and unfortunate access to big budgets. Edited by - john lyons on 7/15/2008 1:45:36 AM Click to expand Agreed. [Link]
JohnnyFistfight Member 10 Posts 7/08	Posted - Jul 19 2008 : 2:50PM Tarantino tapping into retro vault once again? Someone should tap him on the shoulder and tell him to forget about re-imagining anything by Russ Meyer. You don't fucking remake Citizen Kane, Casablanca or anything by Russ Meyer. [Link]
Dombazz Member 27 Posts 7/08	Posted - Jul 19 2008 : 3:09PM Anyway I'm sure Tarantino makes the right desicion, in fact everything he do or touch turns into gold. For me he's the best director who ever exist. [Link]

john lyons Senior Member Co-founder of Vinegar Syndrome 1188 Posts 1/08	Posted - Jul 19 2008 : 4:51PM Dombazz wrote: Anyway I'm sure Tarantino makes the right desicion, in fact everything he do or touch turns into gold. For me he's the best director who ever exist. Click to expand You should check out any of the probably hundreds of films he's ripped off and then, if you still feel that he's the greatest director ever, that's cool. Everyone's entitled to an opinion. [Link]
WhiteBOY Member 305 Posts 11/06	Posted - Jul 19 2008 : 6:40PM What about T Mynx....? And Christy Canyon.... And Traci Lords....can you believe the hype THAT would cause!!! [Link]
mapofhawaii Senior Member 1050 Posts 3/06	Posted - Jul 19 2008 : 9:18PM I love it when people give the "ripped off so and so" rap about QT. Name me one director that hasn't been influenced by other great directors, and not-so great directors. At least QT gives them credit. And to say that he is a no talent hack is laughable. If that was an honest comment and not sarcasm. QT is an extremely talented writer and director. Yes, he sucks as an actor. And not everything he has done is great. The 4 rooms movie was beyond the suck. Reservoir Dogs Pulp Fiction Jackie Brown Kill Bill Death Proof Since he only directed on segment of 4 Rooms, I left that off. Now what other current director can claim to have that impressive of a resume after his or her first 5 films? Wong Kar Wai, maybe. Paul Thomas Anderson? Close but no cig. John Woo didn't hit his stride until probably his 18th or so film. I can understand you not liking his movies, but to say he is not talented or that he just rips people off shows no knowledge of the cinema. [Link]
conquistador Deactivated User Hellhamster. 2947 Posts 10/03	Posted - Jul 19 2008 : 9:24PM mapofhawaii wrote: Reservoir Dogs Click to expand Reservoir was a rip off of a Japanese movie, almost scene for scene. Tarantino, from what I can tell hasn't had an original idea of his own ever. Just because the guy used to work in a video store doesn't mean he is a brilliant film maker. Actually it makes his nothing more then derivative. Edited by - conquistador on 7/19/2008 9:30:20 PM [Link]
mapofhawaii Senior Member 1050 Posts 3/06	Posted - Jul 19 2008 : 9:56PM conquistador wrote: mapofhawaii wrote: Reservoir Dogs Click to expand Reservoir was a rip off of a Japanese movie, almost scene for scene. Tarantino, from what I can tell hasn't had an original idea of his own ever. Just because the guy used to work in a video store doesn't mean he is a brilliant film maker. Actually it makes his nothing more then derivative. Edited by - conquistador on 7/19/2008 9:30:20 PM Click to expand And it takes more than knowing that Reservoir Dogs was similar to City on Fire to deliver relevant film criticism. Yes, I'm sure that City on Fire has a scene where the guys debate whether it was Ann Francis or someone else who played Honey West in the TV show, and how times they had to jack off to some other girl. Apparently you know next to nothing about Tarantino, and probably little more about cinema in general. Just because some scenes are similar, that doesn't mean that a director is ripping that director off. If he never acknowledged the similarity or praise that director, that is another thing. Listen to Martin Scorcese talk about all the films he loved growing up and how they influenced his films. Or just stick to pat, easy jabs with no substance. Oh, and I forgot to correct you. It was a Hong Kong film, not Japanese, but why let facts get in the way? Edited by - mapofhawaii on 7/19/2008 9:58:13 PM [Link]
john lyons Senior Member Co-founder of Vinegar Syndrome 1188 Posts 1/08	Posted - Jul 19 2008 : 10:24PM mapofhawaii wrote: And it takes more than knowing that Reservoir Dogs was similar to City on Fire to deliver relevant film criticism. Yes, I'm sure that City on Fire has a scene where the guys debate whether it was Ann Francis or someone else who played Honey West in the TV show, and how times they had to jack off to some other girl. Apparently you know next to nothing about Tarantino, and probably little more about cinema in general. Just because some scenes are similar, that doesn't mean that a director is ripping that director off. If he never acknowledged the similarity or praise that director, that is another thing. Listen to Martin Scorcese talk about all the films he loved growing up and how they influenced his films. Or just stick to pat, easy jabs with no substance. Click to expand His films have ZERO substance. They are nothing but 2 hour filmed reference books. They run like this: Use other company's logos. Mimic the way that other director shoot. Duplicate the costume that other characters wore. Take music from other films. After all that "homage" where is the real Tarantino? Where is what makes him unique? Lots of lousy filmmakers do nothing but take from other films but they don't have the budgets to make them look glossy. That is the ONLY thing QT has to say for himself. [Link]
Adrenalynn Member http://adrenalynn.tumblr.com this industry has made me cold 570 Posts 2/08	Posted - Jul 20 2008 : 4:09AM i guess even im totally unaware of some of the ripped off cinema (has not sampled much american cinema even). . . hes def taking more of the credit than the original creator. i give mad props for that. perhaps you could say he made the films "new and improved" and not to put the two in the same book at all, but broads who are auto tuned, cant perform live, and still are selling multi-platinum albums. . . impressive making it ok for pornstars to have tattoos www.theoneandolyadrenalynn.com [Link]
conquistador Deactivated User Hellhamster. 2947 Posts 10/03	Posted - Jul 20 2008 : 10:56AM john lyons wrote: The one thing I will say that is positive about the guy is the few episodes of CSI he directed were pretty good compared to many of the others. Some information about Tarantino's work on a few CSI episodes. My feeling I guess is that his work fits in about 45 minutes. I mean Kill Bill, what the crap was that never ending superman bullshit dialog with David Carradine.Could that possibly have been more dull? I wanted a sword fight on the beach in the moonlight. And I can't believe the asshole has the audacity to remake a Russ Meyer movie. [Link]
john lyons Senior Member Co-founder of Vinegar Syndrome 1188 Posts 1/08	Posted - Jul 20 2008 : 11:30AM Adrenalynn wrote: i guess even im totally unaware of some of the ripped off cinema (has not sampled much american cinema even). . . hes def taking more of the credit than the original creator. i give mad props for that. perhaps you could say he made the films "new and improved" Click to expand How can copying anything make it new and improved? When a filmmaker rips off another film, they aren't improving on it, they're just taking from it. What do you mean be "he's taking more of the credit than the original creator?" The fact is, most of the films he's copied are relatively unknown by mainstream film goers and thus his stealing from them is eve more shameful as it inadvertently leads audiences to believe that QT's films are original. [Link]
conquistador Deactivated User Hellhamster. 2947 Posts 10/03	Posted - Jul 20 2008 : 1:10PM @john lyons: Glad someone is able to cut through all the Tarantino crap and serve it for breakfast. The guy used to work at a video store so he is an authority on film? And somehow an automatically talented film maker (cough cough) bullshit. What film school did he graduate from? By the same token Henry Rollins (Black Flack) used to work at a TCBY so he must know all there is about music. Fucking poseurs. Edited by - conquistador on 7/20/2008 1:11:48 PM [Link]

conquistador Deactivated User Hellhamster. 2947 Posts 10/03	Posted - Jul 20 2008 : 5:06PM mapofhawaii wrote: Oh, and I forgot to correct you. It was a Hong Kong film, not Japanese, but why let facts get in the way? Click to expand Thanks, my mistake. Tarantino is still a talentless hack. [Link]
conquistador Deactivated User Hellhamster. 2947 Posts 10/03	Posted - Jul 20 2008 : 5:09PM mapofhawaii wrote: Name me one director that hasn't been influenced by other great directors, and not-so great directors. Click to expand There is a big difference between inspiration and flat out stealing. Tarantino is an unabashed thief. [Link]
mapofhawaii Senior Member 1050 Posts 3/06	Posted - Jul 20 2008 : 10:15PM conquistador wrote: @john lyons: Glad someone is able to cut through all the Tarantino crap and serve it for breakfast. The guy used to work at a video store so he is an authority on film? And somehow an automatically talented film maker (cough cough) bullshit. What film school did he graduate from? By the same token Henry Rollins (Black Flack) used to work at a TCBY so he must know all there is about music. Fucking poseurs. Edited by - conquistador on 7/20/2008 1:11:48 PM Click to expand What film school did D.W. Griffith graduate from? Or Cecil B. DeMille? John Ford? So Tarantino has been able to con Harvey Keitel, Samuel Jackson, and many other well-respected actors, directors and producers, but YOU have figured him out for the untalented hack he is. Man you're smart. [Link]
john lyons Senior Member Co-founder of Vinegar Syndrome 1188 Posts 1/08	Posted - Jul 20 2008 : 10:25PM mapofhawaii wrote: What film school did D.W. Griffith graduate from? Or Cecil B. DeMille? John Ford? So Tarantino has been able to con Harvey Keitel, Samuel Jackson, and many other well-respected actors, directors and producers, but YOU have figured him out for the untalented hack he is. Man you're smart. Click to expand Film school means nothing. Lots of talented directors just started making great movies because they had the talent. Tarantino is not one of them. It's also not a matter of conning anyone into being in his films but rather the fact that even the most dedicated talented actors have to work and QT's movies pay the bills. Is QT the worst director ever? No, not by a long shot. Is he one of the best? Definitely not. Is he a thief? You bet. [Link]
Flash Golden Age Classic 11018 Posts 5/01	Posted - Jul 20 2008 : 11:08PM I think the film school comment has to do with this post. conquistador wrote: The guy used to work at a video store so he is an authority on film? And somehow an automatically talented film maker (cough cough) bullshit. What film school did he graduate from? Click to expand [Link]
john lyons Senior Member Co-founder of Vinegar Syndrome 1188 Posts 1/08	Posted - Jul 20 2008 : 11:32PM He was also a projectionist at a Pussycat Theatre. [Link]
SashaGrey Member 472 Posts 7/06	Posted - Jul 20 2008 : 11:39PM [/quote] Tarrantino did make two pretty good flicks, Dogs and Pulp, which then provided him access to big budgets. It's just that he's done ZERO since Pulp except rip off the exploitation genre. Tarrantino is the rapper of the film game, ripping off and sampling the real thing so he can make money. The ultimate exploitation artist as it were. [/quote] Just a little curious...and completely off topic. You got me steaming...in a very positive way:) Now, what do you mean by "the real thing"? OG rappers? Because they sampled the greatest funk/psychoalphadiscobetabioaquadoloop artist (the great george clinton) as well as many other artists/musicians. Now there are some AMAZING "rappers" even today's generation (a la Immortal Technique, Black Thought of the roots, etc.) that may have sampled, but always paid homage. Or you have fuckers like The Game who was obviously influenced by Spice 1 and gave no credit. Or the millions of "pop hop rappers" that steal from Too Short's style, and the closest thing to an homage would be using the word biiiiiiiiiitch. What about Skinny Puppy, or Red Hot Chili peppers, they've definitely "sampled" yet are amazingly talented and original. For fucks' sake, Trent Reznor (NIN) pretty much out bought Skinny Puppy's producer, Dave "the rave" Ogilvie and kinda took... stylistically a lot from the sound of Skinny Puppy. But hey, I love NIN-and I love (the under-appreciated) Skinny Puppy. There would be no run dmc meets aerosmith or public enemy meets Anthrax if it weren't for sampling. I digress... Tarantino isn't my favorite director, but I don't believe the majority of "hot" American directors are either. Yes, he is much like a fan boy...but he admits it. I am a fan girl...of many things. I will say, I was pissed when he used "A Band Apart" as his production company's name, and completely stole the dance sequence from Bande à part in Pulp Fiction. Or it could be me angry because Godard was angry;) Although, years later he did cite Godard as an influence. Wait...maybe now I shouldn't be angry, lol. There have been a countless number of times when I go to the American Cinema, and completely see a rip off from a great 60's/70's American Film, or some great French New Wave film. But, no one talks about it, because generally the director isn't very well known yet...or if they are they think they can get away with doing so. Now, Godard definitely sampled shit...but I like to think he did it in a very classy way...by reminding people that they are watching a film...and showing you what he borrowed. Star Wars is essentially a Kurosawa rip off, why isn't anyone talking about that? Andy Warhol defined pop art by sampling. The Departed is filled with shit like this. I'd much rather talk crap about a film with plot holes lol! Bottom line, Tarantino was and is motivated and works hard. He pulls it off and is very talented at what he does. He brought back the passion for genre movies for a whole new generation. That's bad ass. How many people between the ages of 16-26 even knew that Grindhouse was used to nickname theaters or the genre of a film before QT and RR's Grindhouse came out? Jackie Brown=pure brilliance 360 degrees. Thank you so much mzombie, I mean it...this was fun ;) the fuck junkie ♠ [Link]
Crucifixio_Jones Senior Member Arrogant & Obnoxious Narcissist 4727 Posts 10/03	Posted - Jul 20 2008 : 11:40PM I'd love to know what this "thief" specifically stole. I side with Sasha. And *"Star Wars"* isn't a Kurosawa "rip-off." Anyone who has actually SEEN *"The Hidden Fortress"* and not just read that it inspired certain elements of Lucas' franchise knows better. Edited by - Crucifixio_Jones on 7/20/2008 11:43:42 PM [Link]
SashaGrey Member 472 Posts 7/06	Posted - Jul 20 2008 : 11:47PM conquistador wrote: @john lyons: Glad someone is able to cut through all the Tarantino crap and serve it for breakfast. The guy used to work at a video store so he is an authority on film? And somehow an automatically talented film maker (cough cough) bullshit. What film school did he graduate from? By the same token Henry Rollins (Black Flack) used to work at a TCBY so he must know all there is about music. Fucking poseurs. Edited by - conquistador on 7/20/2008 1:11:48 PM Click to expand You did not just diss Rollins!!!!!! He is so f'n talented and extremely intelligent. Oh and p.s. it was a Haagen-Dazs! Ice cream is much better than frozen yogurt;) You should have at least cited a musician who used to work at a record store (there are plenty of them)...that would support your argument a bit better, lol. the fuck junkie ♠ [Link]
SashaGrey Member 472 Posts 7/06	Posted - Jul 20 2008 : 11:49PM Crucifixio_Jones wrote: I'd love to know what this "thief" specifically stole. I side with Sasha. And *"Star Wars"* isn't a Kurosawa "rip-off." Anyone who has actually SEEN *"The Hidden Fortress"* and not just read that it inspired certain elements of Lucas' franchise knows better. Edited by - Crucifixio_Jones on 7/20/2008 11:43:42 PM Click to expand I'll have to agree to disagree on that one, because I own and have seen both;) the fuck junkie ♠ [Link]

john lyons Senior Member Co-founder of Vinegar Syndrome 1188 Posts 1/08	Posted - Jul 20 2008 : 11:51PM Crucifixio_Jones wrote: I'd love to know what this "thief" specifically stole. Click to expand Kill Bill for instance... The eye patch comes from Thriller, the needle in the eye comes from Dead and Buried, "The Blood Spattered Bride" from the like named Spanish film, the darkening of blood from Taxi Driver, the music comes from tons of different movies, slow motion fights come from Thriller (the plot as a whole is somewhat similar to that of Thriller). Various lines are taken verbatim from Eaten Alive, Coffy, and other films. The camera work directly copies how Shaw Studios shot many of their films. I haven't seen the film in a couple years so this is all I can come up with off the top of my head. As for his others (Death Proof excluded), I haven't seen them in ages so I couldn't tell you any specifics off hand. As for Sasha's commenting that QT has enlightened 26 and unders to the existence of "grindhouse" cinema, I guess more of them kinda know what it means (not that either Death Proof or Planet Terror even remotely resemble REAL grindhouse cinema). [Link]
mapofhawaii Senior Member 1050 Posts 3/06	Posted - Jul 21 2008 : 12:32AM john lyons wrote: Crucifixio_Jones wrote: I'd love to know what this "thief" specifically stole. Click to expand Kill Bill for instance... The eye patch comes from Thriller, the needle in the eye comes from Dead and Buried, "The Blood Spattered Bride" from the like named Spanish film, the darkening of blood from Taxi Driver, the music comes from tons of different movies, slow motion fights come from Thriller (the plot as a whole is somewhat similar to that of Thriller). Various lines are taken verbatim from Eaten Alive, Coffy, and other films. The camera work directly copies how Shaw Studios shot many of their films. I haven't seen the film in a couple years so this is all I can come up with off the top of my head. As for his others (Death Proof excluded), I haven't seen them in ages so I couldn't tell you any specifics off hand. As for Sasha's commenting that QT has enlightened 26 and unders to the existence of "grindhouse" cinema, I guess more of them kinda know what it means (not that either Death Proof or Planet Terror even remotely resemble REAL grindhouse cinema). Click to expand So, by your rationale, this film junkie who watched practically everything available is not allowed to have something in his films that is in any way similar to what was in any of those films he saw? People are confusing the inclusion of ideas or variants of things in other films with "rip-offs". Example: Keitel shooting the cops in Reservoir Dogs with two guns pointed straight out at chest level. This was an obvious nod to John Woo who used it liberally in his films. Don't know for sure if Woo was the first, but I'm pretty sure that is who influenced QT. Does anyone think that QT used this and thought that nobody would notice? Or that people wouldn't notice the similarities between Dogs and City on Fire? Of course not. But people are jealous that QT made it big without going to film school, and because after Dogs and Fiction, lots of directors were using the same style of filmmaking, which led to critics using words like "Tarantino-esque". People don't want to give QT credit for making enjoyable films. And Star Wars is not a rip-off of Hidden Fortress. Lucas acknowledges the influence, but the films are wildly different. Every director is influence by predecessors, and some just rip others off. QT is the former, not the ladder. [Link]
Crucifixio_Jones Senior Member Arrogant & Obnoxious Narcissist 4727 Posts 10/03	Posted - Jul 21 2008 : 1:28AM john lyons wrote: Crucifixio_Jones wrote: I'd love to know what this "thief" specifically stole. Click to expand Kill Bill for instance... The eye patch comes from Thriller, the needle in the eye comes from Dead and Buried, "The Blood Spattered Bride" from the like named Spanish film, the darkening of blood from Taxi Driver, the music comes from tons of different movies, slow motion fights come from Thriller (the plot as a whole is somewhat similar to that of Thriller). Various lines are taken verbatim from Eaten Alive, Coffy, and other films. The camera work directly copies how Shaw Studios shot many of their films. I haven't seen the film in a couple years so this is all I can come up with off the top of my head. As for his others (Death Proof excluded), I haven't seen them in ages so I couldn't tell you any specifics off hand. Click to expand This is just silly. When you're saying he "ripped off" a prop as simple as an eye patch, you're really reaching. Of all the things you cited, are those the ONLY movies in the history of cinema that have used them? Slow motion fight sequences? And music from other movies? What movie DOESN'T do that today? It's nearly impossible NOT to unless you hire someone to come up with a completely original score. Short of that, the music is going to come from somewhere else. But if Tarantino does it, he's a "thief." So by that rationale, there is no way Tarantino will EVER be able to concoct anything wholly original to satisfy you. The funny part is, the things in *"Kill Bill"* that really could be considered theft, you didn't even bother to name. shakes head The few things that are directly copied are meant to be blatant theft and a nod to the movies he's attempting to pay homage to. Tarantino never shot entire sequences of *"Kill Bill"* like the Shaw Bros. He did however do the classic Shaw Bros zoom/closeup but he's aware and even writes those exact words into his screeplay as such. Expect to see the same in *"Inglorious Bastards"* where an entire chapter is shot in black-and-white "French New Wave" style. Does that mean he's OUTRIGHT STEALING? Not in my eyes. But some hater will certainly say he is. ...And back to *"Star Wars"* and *"The Hidden Fortress"...maybe someone needs to watch them again. Because if I sat someone who had only seen "Star Wars"* down to see *"The Hidden Fortress"* I sincerely doubt they'd even make a connection unless it was pointed out to them and made clear. The basics are the same but they're still very different. [Link]
Adrenalynn Member http://adrenalynn.tumblr.com this industry has made me cold 570 Posts 2/08	Posted - Jul 21 2008 : 2:16AM john lyons wrote: Adrenalynn wrote: i guess even im totally unaware of some of the ripped off cinema (has not sampled much american cinema even). . . hes def taking more of the credit than the original creator. i give mad props for that. perhaps you could say he made the films "new and improved" Click to expand How can copying anything make it new and improved? When a filmmaker rips off another film, they aren't improving on it, they're just taking from it. What do you mean be "he's taking more of the credit than the original creator?" The fact is, most of the films he's copied are relatively unknown by mainstream film goers and thus his stealing from them is eve more shameful as it inadvertently leads audiences to believe that QT's films are original. Click to expand sorry for the word salad above, it had been a long night. i must agree with sasha on the fact that QT is a friggen huslter. (growing up in a ballet studio i never had time to soak in great cinema or television so i wont comment on any of the works) however, it seems (to me) like this is a sort of director darwinism and if directors were a species QT's would continue on and unfortunately the original creator through time got weeded down, credit wise. making it ok for pornstars to have tattoos www.theoneandolyadrenalynn.com Edited by - adrenalynn on 7/21/2008 2:23:52 AM [Link]
Adrenalynn Member http://adrenalynn.tumblr.com this industry has made me cold 570 Posts 2/08	Posted - Jul 21 2008 : 2:21AM SashaGrey wrote: Click to expand Now, what do you mean by "the real thing"? OG rappers? Because they sampled the greatest funk/psychoalphadiscobetabioaquadoloop artist (the great george clinton) as well as many other artists/musicians. the fuck junkie ♠ Click to expand p.s. ( this just stuck with me and got my funk juices flowin', thank you SG :] ) making it ok for pornstars to have tattoos www.theoneandolyadrenalynn.com [Link]
SashaGrey Member 472 Posts 7/06	Posted - Jul 21 2008 : 2:35AM ^To CJ and Map...that's precisely my point. People like to believe that these filmmakers are "ripping" people off, but it's inspiration- I didn't mean it literally it was an example like the rest. Sorry for the confusion. the fuck junkie ♠ [Link]
SashaGrey Member 472 Posts 7/06	Posted - Jul 21 2008 : 2:36AM [/quote] p.s. ( this just stuck with me and got my funk juices flowin', thank you SG :] ) making it ok for pornstars to have tattoos www.theoneandolyadrenalynn.com [/quote] It's always a pleasure, now about those juices...! the fuck junkie ♠ [Link]
Adrenalynn Member http://adrenalynn.tumblr.com this industry has made me cold 570 Posts 2/08	Posted - Jul 21 2008 : 2:41AM SashaGrey wrote: Click to expand p.s. ( this just stuck with me and got my funk juices flowin', thank you SG :] ) making it ok for pornstars to have tattoos www.theoneandolyadrenalynn.com Click to expand It's always a pleasure, now about those juices...! the fuck junkie ♠ Click to expand muah hahahaha. . . indeed our meeting at the mansion was far too brief i was fuckin' fresh off the lot. and out with my old "parents" making it ok for pornstars to have tattoos www.theoneandolyadrenalynn.com Edited by - adrenalynn on 7/21/2008 2:41:53 AM [Link]
ChodeMasterJ Perpetual Marxist 5405 Posts 4/03	Posted - Jul 21 2008 : 2:56AM SashaGrey wrote: There would be no run dmc meets aerosmith or public enemy meets Anthrax if it weren't for sampling. Click to expand me looooooves public enemy meets anthrax. I listen to 'Bring the Noize' all the time. Very good stuff. I recently dl'd (legally) the Biohazard/Onyx collaboration of 'Slam' from '93, i believe. That year saw a lot of hip hop and metal/whatever bands getting together and doing stuff. Very good times. [Link]
Adrenalynn Member http://adrenalynn.tumblr.com this industry has made me cold 570 Posts 2/08	Posted - Jul 21 2008 : 3:00AM ah the gotta love genre fusions thank you BLONDIE!!!!!! making it ok for pornstars to have tattoos www.theoneandolyadrenalynn.com [Link]

john lyons Senior Member Co-founder of Vinegar Syndrome 1188 Posts 1/08	Posted - Jul 21 2008 : 3:15AM The distinction I'm making is between referencing and copying. It's a fine and sometimes nearly impossible line to draw, but there is a big difference. Whereas in referencing, one relates their own ideas to to those of someone else, in copying, one replicates the ideas of someone else. Tarantino, as I see it, does the latter. His films boil down to bits and pieces from many other films assembled into some usually derivative narrative arc. Tarantino's films don't stand up on their own merits BECAUSE they rely so much on the ideas from other films. They feel like overly wordy 2 hour versions of trivial pursuit, like who can figure out where this shot comes from or that character's name. As for the music, CJ is absolutely right that almost all modern films use pre-composed music instead of having an original score. The only difference between those films and QT's is that QT is the only director I can think of who uses whole chunks of scores composed specifically for other films. This is not to say I don't like his musical selections as I usually do, but again, this adds to his whole cinematic mix tape vibe. Honestly, without the "homage," what do QT's films have left? Directors who have remade films have created more original works than QT's collaging. Take Carpenter's The Thing compared to Hawks' film. Despite Carpenter's film being derived from Hawks' classic, they are two wholly unique works, both the obvious creations of two established auteurs. Returning to something Sasha brought up earlier, I don't think Tarantino has done much of anything to rekindle interest in genre films, exploitation films, or anything else for that matter. His miserably inaccurate Grindhouse couldn't be any less in keeping with the aesthetic of genuine grindhouse cinema. It's also not like 16-26 year olds, after seeing a QT movie, are running to their neighborhood video shop to bone up on kung-fu films and eurosleaze. To be perfectly honest, I think the real reason I dislike QT's movies is because of that. Because his films are sooooo derivative of, for the most part, obscure movies, people generally don't go into them with the cinema knowledge to pick up on all the things that came from other films. They leave the theatre in blissful ignorance. Case in point: I was in high school when Kill Bill came out. The Monday after it's opening weekend I was in a classroom and this kid started whistling the theme from Roy Boulting's Twisted Nerve. I was pretty surprised the kid knew this piece of music considering that the film it came from wasn't available in any format in the US. I asked the kid where he'd heard it and the reply was "it's from Kill Bill." All I could think was "no it isn't" (I hadn't seen any QT films at that point) but rest assured, when I did get around to seeing Kill Bill, there it was. Now I'm not saying that this kid should have ran out of the theatre and tried to track down a bootleg of Twisted Nerve, seriously, who would? The issue I had was the fact that this kid thought that the score was "from Kill Bill." It isn't, but since only film geeks care about that kind of thing, QT reigns supreme over his piles of things to take from other movies to try and reassemble into his own. [Link]
jrsl76 Senior Member Perfection 4024 Posts 8/07	Posted - Jul 21 2008 : 6:04AM Crucifixio_Jones wrote: john lyons wrote: Crucifixio_Jones wrote: I'd love to know what this "thief" specifically stole. Click to expand Kill Bill for instance... The eye patch comes from Thriller, the needle in the eye comes from Dead and Buried, "The Blood Spattered Bride" from the like named Spanish film, the darkening of blood from Taxi Driver, the music comes from tons of different movies, slow motion fights come from Thriller (the plot as a whole is somewhat similar to that of Thriller). Various lines are taken verbatim from Eaten Alive, Coffy, and other films. The camera work directly copies how Shaw Studios shot many of their films. I haven't seen the film in a couple years so this is all I can come up with off the top of my head. As for his others (Death Proof excluded), I haven't seen them in ages so I couldn't tell you any specifics off hand. Click to expand This is just silly. When you're saying he "ripped off" a prop as simple as an eye patch, you're really reaching. Click to expand CJ, Believe me when I say I agree with your POV, but that said, Elle Driver's look is definitely inspired by Christina Lindberg in "Thriller: A Cruel Picture". "Thriller" is one of my favorite movies and there is no doubt. Besides which, Tarantino has gone on record concerning his love for the film. I'm cool with his incorporation of such things, because, imho, he leads others to movies of interest and I truly consider him a mash-up artist. The pieces he uses and where they come from don't matter. He makes them serve his ultimate purpose, molding the pieces into a separate whole with it's own distinct purpose. I mean seriously, who would have thought that a film like "Kill Bill" which incorporates Gialli, Italian Gore, Spaghetti Westerns, Chop Socky, Blaxploitation, et al would ultimately be a treatise and a paean to motherhood? [Link]
conquistador Deactivated User Hellhamster. 2947 Posts 10/03	Posted - Jul 21 2008 : 11:33AM SashaGrey wrote: You did not just diss Rollins!!!!!! He is so f'n talented and extremely intelligent. Click to expand I tend not to take seriously anyone whose neck is 10 times as thick as their intellect. You should have at least cited a musician who used to work at a record store (there are plenty of them)...that would support your argument a bit better, lol. Click to expand My point is that he is a shitty musician. He worked in an ice cream shop not in a recording studio or a music shop. No talent think necked hack. Edited by - conquistador on 7/21/2008 11:37:06 AM [Link]
SashaGrey Member 472 Posts 7/06	Posted - Jul 21 2008 : 2:17PM conquistador wrote: SashaGrey wrote: You did not just diss Rollins!!!!!! He is so f'n talented and extremely intelligent. Click to expand I tend not to take seriously anyone whose neck is 10 times as thick as their intellect. You should have at least cited a musician who used to work at a record store (there are plenty of them)...that would support your argument a bit better, lol. Click to expand My point is that he is a shitty musician. He worked in an ice cream shop not in a recording studio or a music shop. No talent think necked hack. Edited by - conquistador on 7/21/2008 11:37:06 AM Click to expand OK for someone with "no talent" he sure busts his ass writing books ,doing speaking engagements and of course his music. I mean what have you done lately ...what is your legacy? .... I guess you don't like (understand) punk rock. Whatever ...it's free country....for now at least. [Link]
conquistador Deactivated User Hellhamster. 2947 Posts 10/03	Posted - Jul 21 2008 : 2:31PM SashaGrey wrote: OK for someone with "no talent" he sure busts his ass writing books ,doing speaking engagements and of course his music. I mean what have you done lately ...what is your legacy? Click to expand I have had stories published in national best selling books, and you? Are Rollins books particularly popular? Rollins has never written best seller. Chew on that. From Amazon this is the rank of the book I got published in: Amazon.com Sales Rank: #24,177 in Books (See Bestsellers in Books) [ invalid url ] What have I done lately? Been a much better writer then Hank "thick neck" Rollins. Hope that helps prove that Rollins is a crappy writer compared to me. So there you see what I have done lately and what my legacy is, being way better then Henry Rollins. Don't believe me? Check amazon, the book I am in beats the fuck out of Henry's self indulgent writing. Sasha, I love your work, but you are out of your league with this literary stuff. Also Rollins is far from being a punk, he is a meat-headed bodybuilding asshat. Edited by - conquistador on 7/21/2008 2:38:42 PM [Link]
Flash Golden Age Classic 11018 Posts 5/01	Posted - Jul 21 2008 : 2:41PM Black Coffee Blues paperback (292,408 in Books) See a Grown Man Cry paperback (366,382 in Books) Get in the Van paperback (118,700 in Books) A Dull Roar paperback (231,785 in Books) [Link]
Flash Golden Age Classic 11018 Posts 5/01	Posted - Jul 21 2008 : 2:43PM The problem with numbers is they don't mean anything alone. Above are the numbers of the first 4 books of his that come up on Amazon. You apparently had to search to find such a low number. [Link]
Flash Golden Age Classic 11018 Posts 5/01	Posted - Jul 21 2008 : 2:52PM "If you've ever pocketed a stranger's forgotten train ticket-stub because you're fascinated by the little bird doodled on it, this book's for you. The sequel to the first Found, and sister to Found magazine makes happened-upon stuff-notes, lists, photos-its raison d'etre. What's intriguing about this book's reconnoitered artifacts, is that they run the gamut from a young boy's storyboard retelling of having a gun held to his head to a disgruntled airline customer's complaint letter about being seated near the lavatory. Each item appears mostly intact (names and phone numbers have been redacted or changed) and looks as if photocopied onto the page. There's no organizational logic to the book, though that's a small gripe considering the wealth of puzzling and hilarious goodies included: a pros/cons list written about someone's male love interest; a letter from a London city official asking a guest of a library to stay away until his "personal hygiene becomes acceptable"; a letter from student propositioning a male teacher, and a rudimentary cartoon drawing of a pregnant man. Some inclusions benefit from contextualization (as in the notes that are found near prisons or inside floating balloons), and the author keeps editorializing to a minimum, leaving the found objects to speak for themselves." Did all the objects in the book come from you? This appears to be a collection from various people which doesn't indicate whether your work is great or poor and therefore hard to state whether you are indeed a better writer. I've never read Henry Rollins, I like his music though. I have a real hard time when people state definitively that they are better than someone else based on numbers. When I was in the 9th grade a piece of work of mine was published in a college text book. Did that make me better than the students that were reading the piece? No. By now, the piece has been entirely forgotten by the world except for me. How it does over time matters a bit more. This isn't designed to put down your work, as I said I haven't read it, I'm just trying to point out the uselessness of select numbers in making a statement like you did. And by the way, right now the number 5 seller is sTORI Telling by Tori Spelling, who apparently is a better writer, if you believe the numbers are all that matter, than Edgar Allan Poe, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Jules Verne, William Shakespeare, etc. [Link]
Roads To Moscow Dianic Wicked Pictures,Vouyer Media, Axel Braun Productions, Marc Dorcel, JoyBear Pictures, abbywinters.com 1390 Posts 7/05	Posted - Jul 21 2008 : 2:57PM john lyons wrote: Kill Bill for instance... The eye patch comes from Thriller, the needle in the eye comes from Dead and Buried, "The Blood Spattered Bride" from the like named Spanish film, the darkening of blood from Taxi Driver, the music comes from tons of different movies, slow motion fights come from Thriller (the plot as a whole is somewhat similar to that of Thriller). Various lines are taken verbatim from Eaten Alive, Coffy, and other films. The camera work directly copies how Shaw Studios shot many of their films. I haven't seen the film in a couple years so this is all I can come up with off the top of my head. As for his others (Death Proof excluded), I haven't seen them in ages so I couldn't tell you any specifics off hand. Click to expand Funny there's no mention the most obvious reference of all...Uma's yellow jumpsuit was an homage to Bruce Lee in Robert Clouse's Game Of Death (A movie that qualifies as the ultimate "mash-up"...but that's another thread.) The art of "grindhouse" is the art of the "mash-up." Dario Argento's The Bird With The Crystal Plumage was an uncredited (and unauthorized) adaptation of Frederic Brown's The Screaming Mimi (which had already been filmed under that title in Hollywood in 1958). Sergio Leone's A Fistful Of Dollars is Kurosawa's Yojimbo, just as The Magnificent Seven is a Western re-tread of Kurosawa's Seven Samurai. Sure, Tarantino has optioned the remake rights to Enzo G. Castellari's The Inglorious Bastards, but Castellari's own '77 film was a remake (unauthorized, natch) of an earlier European production by Jose Luis Merino called Hell Commandos (which, in turn, recycled entire scenes from The Dirty Dozen, Where Eagles Dare and any number of other WW2 "men on a mission" flicks). Does QT love to play fast and loose with the film references? No doubt. But he's hardly the only one (or even the most glaring example), and as jsrl76 pointed out above, he's exceptional at mashing up genres within the same film. Edited by - DM/PR on 7/21/2008 3:07:19 PM [Link]
conquistador Deactivated User Hellhamster. 2947 Posts 10/03	Posted - Jul 21 2008 : 5:37PM Flash wrote: Did all the objects in the book come from you? This appears to be a collection from various people which doesn't indicate whether your work is great or poor and therefore hard to state whether you are indeed a better writer. Click to expand Nope, but I have a story in a national best seller which is something Rollins does not have. The book is a compilation. Edited by - conquistador on 7/21/2008 5:39:18 PM [Link]
redhead Member Not so redhead these days... 718 Posts 1/08	Posted - Jul 21 2008 : 8:58PM SashaGrey wrote: People like to believe that these filmmakers are "ripping" people off, but it's inspiration Click to expand I totally agree. It's an inspired imitation of the original creation, which is flattery in the highest form! Every creative idea stems from something that someone else has already thought of before. I only have a problem with it if the director/scriptwriter is trying to pass off their work and idea as the most original thing ever. [Link]
Adrenalynn Member http://adrenalynn.tumblr.com this industry has made me cold 570 Posts 2/08	Posted - Jul 21 2008 : 11:49PM SashaGrey wrote: I mean what have you done lately ...what is your legacy? .... I guess you don't like (understand) punk rock. Whatever ...it's free country....for now at least. Click to expand touche my acquaintance... touche making it ok for pornstars to have tattoos www.theoneandolyadrenalynn.com [Link]
ChodeMasterJ Perpetual Marxist 5405 Posts 4/03	Posted - Jul 22 2008 : 12:34AM SashaGrey wrote: OK for someone with "no talent" he sure busts his ass writing books ,doing speaking engagements and of course his music. I mean what have you done lately ...what is your legacy? .... I guess you don't like (understand) punk rock. Whatever ...it's free country....for now at least. Click to expand +1 on what Sasha said. A fair amout of people know who Rollins is, even though they might not be into his music. He's got his own publishing company, puts out all his own stuff, does speaking shows around the world, has tons of dvds out, tons of cds/lps/eps out for numerous people, he was referred to by Iggy Pop as a 'Renaissance Man', and has come from nothing to be a success in what he does. Whether he worked at Haagan Daz or the pet store he talks about working at in DC or wherever, he's successful at what he does and a number on Amazon doesn't really mean shit compared to the fact that he's doing his thing, is obviously successful at it, and is making enough to support himself by doing what he loves. That in itself deserves respect whether you think the guy is a no-talent douche or whatever or not. The guys got his shit together. Sasha, you wanna sit around and listen to some Black Flag records with me? hehe. Edited to change 'about' to 'amount'. Edited by - chodemasterj on 7/22/2008 1:11:04 AM [Link]
Roads To Moscow Dianic Wicked Pictures,Vouyer Media, Axel Braun Productions, Marc Dorcel, JoyBear Pictures, abbywinters.com 1390 Posts 7/05	Posted - Jul 22 2008 : 7:00PM ^ And there was that Grammy Award win for the CD version of "Get In The Van." Beyond that, I'm staying out of the debate, although I did enjoy how Juliana Hatfield fucked with HR a bit on "President Garfield" (his real last name). [Link]
Crucifixio_Jones Senior Member Arrogant & Obnoxious Narcissist 4727 Posts 10/03	Posted - Jul 22 2008 : 7:35PM A word about Tarantino's "theivery" and hip-hop producers "sampling": Whatever your feelings about it (I personally don't believe either is STEALING), I'm happy that people like Tarantino or for example, a Kanye West exist. Even though they are not the first, they are the latest in a long line of filmmakers and musicians who opened my eyes to things I might not have heard, known or seen otherwise. And because of that, not only do I gain a deeper appreciation of their work but of others, the originals, work in a similar vein and FUTURE works in the same vein. The more I researched so-and-so's homage or blankety-blank's samples, the more music and movies I found on my own, not just what they borrowed from but to where I finally got to the point where I didn't have to be shown or told who was paying homage to what or who was sampling from whom -- I already knew. And I can't say I minded that. For that alone, I don't mind this so-called "theft." It's only broadened my horizons and I sincerely doubt I'm the only one. You live, you learn, you finally spread your wings, leave the nest and seek out things on your own. What on EARTH could be wrong with that? Edited by - Crucifixio_Jones on 7/22/2008 7:37:05 PM [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Jul 23 2008 : 2:34AM conquistador wrote: There is a big difference between inspiration and flat out stealing. Tarantino is an unabashed thief. Click to expand Old thread, but I see that mapofhawaii already pointed out that City on Fire wasn't Japanese but HK. Anyone who has actually bothered to watch it would also realize that Tarantino uses the plot outline of the last third of the film, but that's about it. He 'rips it off' as much as the original director Ringo Lam 'rips off' american cop and action films in general. DM/PR obviously knows his shit, btw, +1 to everything he said. Edited by - BlackSix on 7/23/2008 2:35:18 AM [Link]

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burningdownthehouse
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Posted - Jul 19 2008 : 2:29PM

I'd say Audrey Hollander, Hillary Scott and Belladonna, although she is noticeably younger than the other three. This may be suited more for Charlie's Angels, but I like the concept of a blonde, brunette and a redhead.

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Posted - Jul 19 2008 : 2:31PM

Agreed.

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JohnnyFistfight
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Posted - Jul 19 2008 : 2:50PM

Tarantino tapping into retro vault once again? Someone should tap him on the shoulder and tell him to forget about re-imagining anything by Russ Meyer. You don't fucking remake Citizen Kane, Casablanca or anything by Russ Meyer.

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Dombazz
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Posted - Jul 19 2008 : 3:09PM

Anyway I'm sure Tarantino makes the right desicion, in fact everything he do or touch turns into gold.
For me he's the best director who ever exist.

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john lyons
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Posted - Jul 19 2008 : 4:51PM

You should check out any of the probably hundreds of films he's ripped off and then, if you still feel that he's the greatest director ever, that's cool. Everyone's entitled to an opinion.

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WhiteBOY
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Posted - Jul 19 2008 : 6:40PM

What about T Mynx....?
And Christy Canyon....
And Traci Lords....can you believe the hype THAT would cause!!!

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Posted - Jul 19 2008 : 9:18PM

I love it when people give the "ripped off so and so" rap about QT. Name me one director that hasn't been influenced by other great directors, and not-so great directors. At least QT gives them credit. And to say that he is a no talent hack is laughable. If that was an honest comment and not sarcasm. QT is an extremely talented writer and director. Yes, he sucks as an actor. And not everything he has done is great. The 4 rooms movie was beyond the suck.
Reservoir Dogs
Pulp Fiction
Jackie Brown
Kill Bill
Death Proof
Since he only directed on segment of 4 Rooms, I left that off. Now what other current director can claim to have that impressive of a resume after his or her first 5 films? Wong Kar Wai, maybe. Paul Thomas Anderson? Close but no cig. John Woo didn't hit his stride until probably his 18th or so film. I can understand you not liking his movies, but to say he is not talented or that he just rips people off shows no knowledge of the cinema.

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Posted - Jul 19 2008 : 9:24PM

Reservoir was a rip off of a Japanese movie, almost scene for scene. Tarantino, from what I can tell hasn't had an original idea of his own ever.
Just because the guy used to work in a video store doesn't mean he is a brilliant film maker. Actually it makes his nothing more then derivative.
Edited by - conquistador on 7/19/2008 9:30:20 PM

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Posted - Jul 19 2008 : 9:56PM

And it takes more than knowing that Reservoir Dogs was similar to City on Fire to deliver relevant film criticism. Yes, I'm sure that City on Fire has a scene where the guys debate whether it was Ann Francis or someone else who played Honey West in the TV show, and how times they had to jack off to some other girl. Apparently you know next to nothing about Tarantino, and probably little more about cinema in general. Just because some scenes are similar, that doesn't mean that a director is ripping that director off. If he never acknowledged the similarity or praise that director, that is another thing. Listen to Martin Scorcese talk about all the films he loved growing up and how they influenced his films. Or just stick to pat, easy jabs with no substance.
Oh, and I forgot to correct you. It was a Hong Kong film, not Japanese, but why let facts get in the way?
Edited by - mapofhawaii on 7/19/2008 9:58:13 PM

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Posted - Jul 19 2008 : 10:24PM

mapofhawaii wrote:
And it takes more than knowing that Reservoir Dogs was similar to City on Fire to deliver relevant film criticism. Yes, I'm sure that City on Fire has a scene where the guys debate whether it was Ann Francis or someone else who played Honey West in the TV show, and how times they had to jack off to some other girl. Apparently you know next to nothing about Tarantino, and probably little more about cinema in general. Just because some scenes are similar, that doesn't mean that a director is ripping that director off. If he never acknowledged the similarity or praise that director, that is another thing. Listen to Martin Scorcese talk about all the films he loved growing up and how they influenced his films. Or just stick to pat, easy jabs with no substance.
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His films have ZERO substance. They are nothing but 2 hour filmed reference books. They run like this:
Use other company's logos.
Mimic the way that other director shoot.
Duplicate the costume that other characters wore.
Take music from other films.
After all that "homage" where is the real Tarantino? Where is what makes him unique? Lots of lousy filmmakers do nothing but take from other films but they don't have the budgets to make them look glossy. That is the ONLY thing QT has to say for himself.

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Posted - Jul 20 2008 : 4:09AM

i guess even im totally unaware of some of the ripped off cinema (has not sampled much american cinema even). . . hes def taking more of the credit than the original creator. i give mad props for that.
perhaps you could say he made the films "new and improved"
and not to put the two in the same book at all, but broads who are auto tuned, cant perform live, and still are selling multi-platinum albums. . . impressive
*making it ok for pornstars to have tattoos* www.theoneandolyadrenalynn.com

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Posted - Jul 20 2008 : 10:56AM

john lyons
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Posted - Jul 20 2008 : 11:30AM

How can copying anything make it new and improved? When a filmmaker rips off another film, they aren't improving on it, they're just taking from it.
What do you mean be "he's taking more of the credit than the original creator?"
The fact is, most of the films he's copied are relatively unknown by mainstream film goers and thus his stealing from them is eve more shameful as it inadvertently leads audiences to believe that QT's films are original.

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Posted - Jul 20 2008 : 1:10PM

@john lyons: Glad someone is able to cut through all the Tarantino crap and serve it for breakfast.
The guy used to work at a video store so he is an authority on film? And somehow an automatically talented film maker (cough cough) bullshit. What film school did he graduate from?
By the same token Henry Rollins (Black Flack) used to work at a TCBY so he must know all there is about music.
Fucking poseurs.

Edited by - conquistador on 7/20/2008 1:11:48 PM

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Posted - Jul 20 2008 : 5:06PM

Thanks, my mistake. Tarantino is still a talentless hack.

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Posted - Jul 20 2008 : 5:09PM

There is a big difference between inspiration and flat out stealing. Tarantino is an unabashed thief.

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mapofhawaii
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Posted - Jul 20 2008 : 10:15PM

What film school did D.W. Griffith graduate from? Or Cecil B. DeMille? John Ford? So Tarantino has been able to con Harvey Keitel, Samuel Jackson, and many other well-respected actors, directors and producers, but YOU have figured him out for the untalented hack he is. Man you're smart.

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Posted - Jul 20 2008 : 10:25PM

Film school means nothing. Lots of talented directors just started making great movies because they had the talent.
Tarantino is not one of them. It's also not a matter of conning anyone into being in his films but rather the fact that even the most dedicated talented actors have to work and QT's movies pay the bills.
Is QT the worst director ever? No, not by a long shot. Is he one of the best? Definitely not. Is he a thief? You bet.

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Posted - Jul 20 2008 : 11:08PM

I think the film school comment has to do with this post.

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john lyons
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Posted - Jul 20 2008 : 11:32PM

He was also a projectionist at a Pussycat Theatre.

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Posted - Jul 20 2008 : 11:39PM

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Tarrantino did make two pretty good flicks, Dogs and Pulp, which then provided him access to big budgets. It's just that he's done ZERO since Pulp except rip off the exploitation genre. Tarrantino is the rapper of the film game, ripping off and sampling the real thing so he can make money. The ultimate exploitation artist as it were.
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Just a little curious...and completely off topic.
You got me steaming...in a very positive way:)
Now, what do you mean by "the real thing"?
OG rappers?
Because they sampled the greatest funk/psychoalphadiscobetabioaquadoloop artist (the great george clinton) as well as many other artists/musicians.
Now there are some AMAZING "rappers" even today's generation (a la Immortal Technique, Black Thought of the roots, etc.) that may have sampled, but always paid homage.
Or you have fuckers like The Game who was obviously influenced by Spice 1 and gave no credit.
Or the millions of "pop hop rappers" that steal from Too Short's style, and the closest thing to an homage would be using the word biiiiiiiiiitch.
What about Skinny Puppy, or Red Hot Chili peppers, they've definitely "sampled" yet are amazingly talented and original.
For fucks' sake, Trent Reznor (NIN) pretty much out bought Skinny Puppy's producer, Dave "the rave" Ogilvie and kinda took... stylistically a lot from the sound of Skinny Puppy. But hey, I love NIN-and I love (the under-appreciated) Skinny Puppy.
There would be no run dmc meets aerosmith or public enemy meets Anthrax if it weren't for sampling.
I digress...
Tarantino isn't my favorite director, but I don't believe the majority of "hot" American directors are either. Yes, he is much like a fan boy...but he admits it. I am a fan girl...of many things.
I will say, I was pissed when he used "A Band Apart" as his production company's name, and completely stole the dance sequence from Bande à part in Pulp Fiction. Or it could be me angry because Godard was angry;) Although, years later he did cite Godard as an influence.
Wait...maybe now I shouldn't be angry, lol.
There have been a countless number of times when I go to the American Cinema, and completely see a rip off from a great 60's/70's American Film, or some great French New Wave film. But, no one talks about it, because generally the director isn't very well known yet...or if they are they think they can get away with doing so.
Now, Godard definitely sampled shit...but I like to think he did it in a very classy way...by reminding people that they are watching a film...and showing you what he borrowed.
Star Wars is essentially a Kurosawa rip off, why isn't anyone talking about that?
Andy Warhol defined pop art by sampling.
The Departed is filled with shit like this.
I'd much rather talk crap about a film with plot holes lol!
Bottom line, Tarantino was and is motivated and works hard. He pulls it off and is very talented at what he does. He brought back the passion for genre movies for a whole new generation. That's bad ass. How many people between the ages of 16-26 even knew that Grindhouse was used to nickname theaters or the genre of a film before QT and RR's Grindhouse came out?
Jackie Brown=pure brilliance 360 degrees.
Thank you so much mzombie, I mean it...this was fun ;)

the fuck junkie ♠

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Posted - Jul 20 2008 : 11:40PM

I'd love to know what this "thief" specifically stole.
I side with Sasha.
And "Star Wars" isn't a Kurosawa "rip-off." Anyone who has actually SEEN "The Hidden Fortress" and not just read that it inspired certain elements of Lucas' franchise knows better.
Edited by - Crucifixio_Jones on 7/20/2008 11:43:42 PM

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SashaGrey
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Posted - Jul 20 2008 : 11:47PM

You did not just diss Rollins!!!!!!
He is so f'n talented and extremely intelligent.
Oh and p.s. it was a Haagen-Dazs! Ice cream is much better than frozen yogurt;)
You should have at least cited a musician who used to work at a record store (there are plenty of them)...that would support your argument a bit better, lol.

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Posted - Jul 20 2008 : 11:49PM

I'll have to agree to disagree on that one, because I own and have seen both;)
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john lyons
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Posted - Jul 20 2008 : 11:51PM

Kill Bill for instance...
The eye patch comes from Thriller, the needle in the eye comes from Dead and Buried, "The Blood Spattered Bride" from the like named Spanish film, the darkening of blood from Taxi Driver, the music comes from tons of different movies, slow motion fights come from Thriller (the plot as a whole is somewhat similar to that of Thriller). Various lines are taken verbatim from Eaten Alive, Coffy, and other films. The camera work directly copies how Shaw Studios shot many of their films.
I haven't seen the film in a couple years so this is all I can come up with off the top of my head.
As for his others (Death Proof excluded), I haven't seen them in ages so I couldn't tell you any specifics off hand.
As for Sasha's commenting that QT has enlightened 26 and unders to the existence of "grindhouse" cinema, I guess more of them kinda know what it means (not that either Death Proof or Planet Terror even remotely resemble REAL grindhouse cinema).

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Posted - Jul 21 2008 : 12:32AM

john lyons wrote:
Crucifixio_Jones wrote:
I'd love to know what this "thief" specifically stole.
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Kill Bill for instance...
The eye patch comes from Thriller, the needle in the eye comes from Dead and Buried, "The Blood Spattered Bride" from the like named Spanish film, the darkening of blood from Taxi Driver, the music comes from tons of different movies, slow motion fights come from Thriller (the plot as a whole is somewhat similar to that of Thriller). Various lines are taken verbatim from Eaten Alive, Coffy, and other films. The camera work directly copies how Shaw Studios shot many of their films.
I haven't seen the film in a couple years so this is all I can come up with off the top of my head.
As for his others (Death Proof excluded), I haven't seen them in ages so I couldn't tell you any specifics off hand.
As for Sasha's commenting that QT has enlightened 26 and unders to the existence of "grindhouse" cinema, I guess more of them kinda know what it means (not that either Death Proof or Planet Terror even remotely resemble REAL grindhouse cinema).
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So, by your rationale, this film junkie who watched practically everything available is not allowed to have something in his films that is in any way similar to what was in any of those films he saw? People are confusing the inclusion of ideas or variants of things in other films with "rip-offs". Example: Keitel shooting the cops in Reservoir Dogs with two guns pointed straight out at chest level. This was an obvious nod to John Woo who used it liberally in his films. Don't know for sure if Woo was the first, but I'm pretty sure that is who influenced QT. Does anyone think that QT used this and thought that nobody would notice? Or that people wouldn't notice the similarities between Dogs and City on Fire? Of course not. But people are jealous that QT made it big without going to film school, and because after Dogs and Fiction, lots of directors were using the same style of filmmaking, which led to critics using words like "Tarantino-esque". People don't want to give QT credit for making enjoyable films. And Star Wars is not a rip-off of Hidden Fortress. Lucas acknowledges the influence, but the films are wildly different. Every director is influence by predecessors, and some just rip others off. QT is the former, not the ladder.

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Posted - Jul 21 2008 : 1:28AM

john lyons wrote:
Crucifixio_Jones wrote:
I'd love to know what this "thief" specifically stole.
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Kill Bill for instance...
The eye patch comes from Thriller, the needle in the eye comes from Dead and Buried, "The Blood Spattered Bride" from the like named Spanish film, the darkening of blood from Taxi Driver, the music comes from tons of different movies, slow motion fights come from Thriller (the plot as a whole is somewhat similar to that of Thriller). Various lines are taken verbatim from Eaten Alive, Coffy, and other films. The camera work directly copies how Shaw Studios shot many of their films.
I haven't seen the film in a couple years so this is all I can come up with off the top of my head.
As for his others (Death Proof excluded), I haven't seen them in ages so I couldn't tell you any specifics off hand.
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This is just silly.
When you're saying he "ripped off" a prop as simple as an eye patch, you're really reaching. Of all the things you cited, are those the ONLY movies in the history of cinema that have used them? Slow motion fight sequences? And music from other movies? What movie DOESN'T do that today? It's nearly impossible NOT to unless you hire someone to come up with a completely original score. Short of that, the music is going to come from somewhere else. But if Tarantino does it, he's a "thief."
So by that rationale, there is no way Tarantino will EVER be able to concoct anything wholly original to satisfy you. The funny part is, the things in "Kill Bill" that really could be considered theft, you didn't even bother to name. *shakes head* The few things that are directly copied are meant to be blatant theft and a nod to the movies he's attempting to pay homage to. Tarantino never shot entire sequences of "Kill Bill" like the Shaw Bros. He did however do the classic Shaw Bros zoom/closeup but he's aware and even writes those exact words into his screeplay as such. Expect to see the same in "Inglorious Bastards" where an entire chapter is shot in black-and-white "French New Wave" style. Does that mean he's OUTRIGHT STEALING? Not in my eyes. But some hater will certainly say he is.
...And back to "Star Wars" and "The Hidden Fortress"...maybe someone needs to watch them again. Because if I sat someone who had only seen "Star Wars" down to see "The Hidden Fortress" I sincerely doubt they'd even make a connection unless it was pointed out to them and made clear. The basics are the same but they're still very different.

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Posted - Jul 21 2008 : 2:16AM

sorry for the word salad above, it had been a long night.
i must agree with sasha on the fact that QT is a friggen huslter. (growing up in a ballet studio i never had time to soak in great cinema or television so i wont comment on any of the works) however, it seems (to me) like this is a sort of director darwinism and if directors were a species QT's would continue on and unfortunately the original creator through time got weeded down, credit wise.
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Posted - Jul 21 2008 : 2:21AM

Now, what do you mean by "the real thing"?
OG rappers?
Because they sampled the greatest funk/psychoalphadiscobetabioaquadoloop artist (the great george clinton) as well as many other artists/musicians.
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p.s. ( this just stuck with me and got my funk juices flowin', thank you SG :] )
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SashaGrey
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Posted - Jul 21 2008 : 2:35AM

^To CJ and Map...that's precisely my point. People like to believe that these filmmakers are "ripping" people off, but it's inspiration- I didn't mean it literally it was an example like the rest. Sorry for the confusion.

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SashaGrey
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Posted - Jul 21 2008 : 2:36AM

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p.s. ( this just stuck with me and got my funk juices flowin', thank you SG :] )
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It's always a pleasure, now about those juices...!
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Adrenalynn
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Posted - Jul 21 2008 : 2:41AM

p.s. ( this just stuck with me and got my funk juices flowin', thank you SG :] )
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It's always a pleasure, now about those juices...!
the fuck junkie ♠

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muah hahahaha. . . indeed our meeting at the mansion was far too brief
i was fuckin' fresh off the lot. and out with my old "parents"
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ChodeMasterJ
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Posted - Jul 21 2008 : 2:56AM

me looooooves public enemy meets anthrax. I listen to 'Bring the Noize' all the time. Very good stuff. I recently dl'd (legally) the Biohazard/Onyx collaboration of 'Slam' from '93, i believe. That year saw a lot of hip hop and metal/whatever bands getting together and doing stuff. Very good times.

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Adrenalynn
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Posted - Jul 21 2008 : 3:00AM

ah the gotta love genre fusions thank you BLONDIE!!!!!!
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john lyons
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Posted - Jul 21 2008 : 3:15AM

The distinction I'm making is between referencing and copying. It's a fine and sometimes nearly impossible line to draw, but there is a big difference.
Whereas in referencing, one relates their own ideas to to those of someone else, in copying, one replicates the ideas of someone else. Tarantino, as I see it, does the latter.
His films boil down to bits and pieces from many other films assembled into some usually derivative narrative arc. Tarantino's films don't stand up on their own merits BECAUSE they rely so much on the ideas from other films. They feel like overly wordy 2 hour versions of trivial pursuit, like who can figure out where this shot comes from or that character's name.
As for the music, CJ is absolutely right that almost all modern films use pre-composed music instead of having an original score. The only difference between those films and QT's is that QT is the only director I can think of who uses whole chunks of scores composed specifically for other films. This is not to say I don't like his musical selections as I usually do, but again, this adds to his whole cinematic mix tape vibe. Honestly, without the "homage," what do QT's films have left?
Directors who have remade films have created more original works than QT's collaging. Take Carpenter's The Thing compared to Hawks' film. Despite Carpenter's film being derived from Hawks' classic, they are two wholly unique works, both the obvious creations of two established auteurs.
Returning to something Sasha brought up earlier, I don't think Tarantino has done much of anything to rekindle interest in genre films, exploitation films, or anything else for that matter. His miserably inaccurate Grindhouse couldn't be any less in keeping with the aesthetic of genuine grindhouse cinema.
It's also not like 16-26 year olds, after seeing a QT movie, are running to their neighborhood video shop to bone up on kung-fu films and eurosleaze. To be perfectly honest, I think the real reason I dislike QT's movies is because of that. Because his films are sooooo derivative of, for the most part, obscure movies, people generally don't go into them with the cinema knowledge to pick up on all the things that came from other films. They leave the theatre in blissful ignorance.
Case in point: I was in high school when Kill Bill came out. The Monday after it's opening weekend I was in a classroom and this kid started whistling the theme from Roy Boulting's Twisted Nerve. I was pretty surprised the kid knew this piece of music considering that the film it came from wasn't available in any format in the US. I asked the kid where he'd heard it and the reply was "it's from Kill Bill." All I could think was "no it isn't" (I hadn't seen any QT films at that point) but rest assured, when I did get around to seeing Kill Bill, there it was.
Now I'm not saying that this kid should have ran out of the theatre and tried to track down a bootleg of Twisted Nerve, seriously, who would? The issue I had was the fact that this kid thought that the score was "from Kill Bill." It isn't, but since only film geeks care about that kind of thing, QT reigns supreme over his piles of things to take from other movies to try and reassemble into his own.

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Posted - Jul 21 2008 : 6:04AM

Crucifixio_Jones wrote:
john lyons wrote:
Crucifixio_Jones wrote:
I'd love to know what this "thief" specifically stole.
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Kill Bill for instance...
The eye patch comes from Thriller, the needle in the eye comes from Dead and Buried, "The Blood Spattered Bride" from the like named Spanish film, the darkening of blood from Taxi Driver, the music comes from tons of different movies, slow motion fights come from Thriller (the plot as a whole is somewhat similar to that of Thriller). Various lines are taken verbatim from Eaten Alive, Coffy, and other films. The camera work directly copies how Shaw Studios shot many of their films.
I haven't seen the film in a couple years so this is all I can come up with off the top of my head.
As for his others (Death Proof excluded), I haven't seen them in ages so I couldn't tell you any specifics off hand.
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This is just silly.
When you're saying he "ripped off" a prop as simple as an eye patch, you're really reaching.
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CJ,
Believe me when I say I agree with your POV, but that said, Elle Driver's look is definitely inspired by Christina Lindberg in "Thriller: A Cruel Picture". "Thriller" is one of my favorite movies and there is no doubt. Besides which, Tarantino has gone on record concerning his love for the film. I'm cool with his incorporation of such things, because, imho, he leads others to movies of interest and I truly consider him a mash-up artist. The pieces he uses and where they come from don't matter. He makes them serve his ultimate purpose, molding the pieces into a separate whole with it's own distinct purpose. I mean seriously, who would have thought that a film like "Kill Bill" which incorporates Gialli, Italian Gore, Spaghetti Westerns, Chop Socky, Blaxploitation, et al would ultimately be a treatise and a paean to motherhood?

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Posted - Jul 21 2008 : 11:33AM

I tend not to take seriously anyone whose neck is 10 times as thick as their intellect.

My point is that he is a shitty musician. He worked in an ice cream shop not in a recording studio or a music shop.
No talent think necked hack.
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SashaGrey
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Posted - Jul 21 2008 : 2:17PM

OK for someone with "no talent" he sure busts his ass writing books ,doing speaking engagements and of course his music. I mean what have you done lately ...what is your legacy?
.... I guess you don't like (understand) punk rock.
Whatever ...it's free country....for now at least.

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conquistador
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Posted - Jul 21 2008 : 2:31PM

I have had stories published in national best selling books, and you?
Are Rollins books particularly popular?
Rollins has never written best seller. Chew on that.
From Amazon this is the rank of the book I got published in:
Amazon.com Sales Rank: #24,177 in Books (See Bestsellers in Books)
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What have I done lately? Been a much better writer then Hank "thick neck" Rollins.
Hope that helps prove that Rollins is a crappy writer compared to me.
So there you see what I have done lately and what my legacy is, being way better then Henry Rollins.
Don't believe me? Check amazon, the book I am in beats the fuck out of Henry's self indulgent writing.
Sasha, I love your work, but you are out of your league with this literary stuff.
Also Rollins is far from being a punk, he is a meat-headed bodybuilding asshat.
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Flash

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Posted - Jul 21 2008 : 2:41PM

Black Coffee Blues paperback (292,408 in Books)
See a Grown Man Cry paperback (366,382 in Books)
Get in the Van paperback (118,700 in Books)
A Dull Roar paperback (231,785 in Books)

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Flash

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Posted - Jul 21 2008 : 2:43PM

The problem with numbers is they don't mean anything alone. Above are the numbers of the first 4 books of his that come up on Amazon. You apparently had to search to find such a low number.

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Flash

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Posted - Jul 21 2008 : 2:52PM

"If you've ever pocketed a stranger's forgotten train ticket-stub because you're fascinated by the little bird doodled on it, this book's for you. The sequel to the first Found, and sister to Found magazine makes happened-upon stuff-notes, lists, photos-its raison d'etre. What's intriguing about this book's reconnoitered artifacts, is that they run the gamut from a young boy's storyboard retelling of having a gun held to his head to a disgruntled airline customer's complaint letter about being seated near the lavatory. Each item appears mostly intact (names and phone numbers have been redacted or changed) and looks as if photocopied onto the page. There's no organizational logic to the book, though that's a small gripe considering the wealth of puzzling and hilarious goodies included: a pros/cons list written about someone's male love interest; a letter from a London city official asking a guest of a library to stay away until his "personal hygiene becomes acceptable"; a letter from student propositioning a male teacher, and a rudimentary cartoon drawing of a pregnant man. Some inclusions benefit from contextualization (as in the notes that are found near prisons or inside floating balloons), and the author keeps editorializing to a minimum, leaving the found objects to speak for themselves."
Did all the objects in the book come from you? This appears to be a collection from various people which doesn't indicate whether your work is great or poor and therefore hard to state whether you are indeed a better writer.
I've never read Henry Rollins, I like his music though. I have a real hard time when people state definitively that they are better than someone else based on numbers. When I was in the 9th grade a piece of work of mine was published in a college text book. Did that make me better than the students that were reading the piece? No. By now, the piece has been entirely forgotten by the world except for me. How it does over time matters a bit more. This isn't designed to put down your work, as I said I haven't read it, I'm just trying to point out the uselessness of select numbers in making a statement like you did.
And by the way, right now the number 5 seller is sTORI Telling by Tori Spelling, who apparently is a better writer, if you believe the numbers are all that matter, than Edgar Allan Poe, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Jules Verne, William Shakespeare, etc.

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Posted - Jul 21 2008 : 2:57PM

Funny there's no mention the most obvious reference of all...Uma's yellow jumpsuit was an homage to Bruce Lee in Robert Clouse's Game Of Death (A movie that qualifies as the ultimate "mash-up"...but that's another thread.)

The art of "grindhouse" is the art of the "mash-up." Dario Argento's The Bird With The Crystal Plumage was an uncredited (and unauthorized) adaptation of Frederic Brown's The Screaming Mimi (which had already been filmed under that title in Hollywood in 1958). Sergio Leone's A Fistful Of Dollars is Kurosawa's Yojimbo, just as The Magnificent Seven is a Western re-tread of Kurosawa's Seven Samurai.
Sure, Tarantino has optioned the remake rights to Enzo G. Castellari's The Inglorious Bastards, but Castellari's own '77 film was a remake (unauthorized, natch) of an earlier European production by Jose Luis Merino called Hell Commandos (which, in turn, recycled entire scenes from The Dirty Dozen, Where Eagles Dare and any number of other WW2 "men on a mission" flicks).
Does QT love to play fast and loose with the film references? No doubt. But he's hardly the only one (or even the most glaring example), and as jsrl76 pointed out above, he's exceptional at mashing up genres within the same film.

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conquistador
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Posted - Jul 21 2008 : 5:37PM

Nope, but I have a story in a national best seller which is something Rollins does not have.
The book is a compilation.
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redhead
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Posted - Jul 21 2008 : 8:58PM

I totally agree. It's an inspired imitation of the original creation, which is flattery in the highest form!
Every creative idea stems from something that someone else has already thought of before. I only have a problem with it if the director/scriptwriter is trying to pass off their work and idea as the most original thing ever.

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Adrenalynn
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Posted - Jul 21 2008 : 11:49PM

touche my acquaintance... touche
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ChodeMasterJ
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Posted - Jul 22 2008 : 12:34AM

+1 on what Sasha said. A fair amout of people know who Rollins is, even though they might not be into his music. He's got his own publishing company, puts out all his own stuff, does speaking shows around the world, has tons of dvds out, tons of cds/lps/eps out for numerous people, he was referred to by Iggy Pop as a 'Renaissance Man', and has come from nothing to be a success in what he does. Whether he worked at Haagan Daz or the pet store he talks about working at in DC or wherever, he's successful at what he does and a number on Amazon doesn't really mean shit compared to the fact that he's doing his thing, is obviously successful at it, and is making enough to support himself by doing what he loves. That in itself deserves respect whether you think the guy is a no-talent douche or whatever or not. The guys got his shit together.
Sasha, you wanna sit around and listen to some Black Flag records with me?

hehe.
Edited to change 'about' to 'amount'.
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Posted - Jul 22 2008 : 7:00PM

^ And there was that Grammy Award win for the CD version of "Get In The Van."
Beyond that, I'm staying out of the debate, although I did enjoy how Juliana Hatfield fucked with HR a bit on "President Garfield" (his real last name).

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Posted - Jul 22 2008 : 7:35PM

A word about Tarantino's "theivery" and hip-hop producers "sampling":
Whatever your feelings about it (I personally don't believe either is STEALING), I'm happy that people like Tarantino or for example, a Kanye West exist. Even though they are not the first, they are the latest in a long line of filmmakers and musicians who opened my eyes to things I might not have heard, known or seen otherwise. And because of that, not only do I gain a deeper appreciation of their work but of others, the originals, work in a similar vein and FUTURE works in the same vein. The more I researched so-and-so's homage or blankety-blank's samples, the more music and movies I found on my own, not just what they borrowed from but to where I finally got to the point where I didn't have to be shown or told who was paying homage to what or who was sampling from whom -- I already knew. And I can't say I minded that.
For that alone, I don't mind this so-called "theft." It's only broadened my horizons and I sincerely doubt I'm the only one. You live, you learn, you finally spread your wings, leave the nest and seek out things on your own. What on EARTH could be wrong with that?

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Posted - Jul 23 2008 : 2:34AM

Old thread, but I see that mapofhawaii already pointed out that City on Fire wasn't Japanese but HK. Anyone who has actually bothered to watch it would also realize that Tarantino uses the plot outline of the last third of the film, but that's about it. He 'rips it off' as much as the original director Ringo Lam 'rips off' american cop and action films in general.
DM/PR obviously knows his shit, btw, +1 to everything he said.

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