I hate to push the interracial thing but in Dion's earlier post he said that she said it just hasn't happened and its nothin personal. It seems to me that there's more to it than its just hasn't happened and that there's nothing personal.
First off, great to see that Mike John will be involved in this. Gotta have Mike. He's the best porn director going and nobody is better at shooting quality swallowing scenes. To that end, I would suggest you not only pamper Taylor before the shoot, but get some heavy shooters and have the guys "saving up" for a few days. Some heavy streams into Taylor's mouth. And with that, she could do lots of very entertaining gargling and swallowing of large amounts every couple loads. And that way, there's no chance of her starting to choke and losing most of it (and all this effort) that you might get with just one massive swallow. Plus, you don't have to maybe get that "yuck face" look that sometimes comes after one massive swallow. Every swallow should look like fun. But, get heavy shooters. And the spa idea for Taylor is great, but as far as extra material, I'd rather see behind the scenes stuff during breaks, before and after takes, or during changes in positions in the anal and dp action. That's the stuff that has more of an insider's feel and getting to know the "real Taylor." That's always fun and interesting stuff. Can't beat that. And, yeah, don't overdo the makeup. Taylor's great the way she is. The girl next door. (Getting banged by twelve guys!) Now, that's great porn.
Sammyboy wrote:That's a good point. It's obvious from his pop shots that Mark Davis is "overworked" and overvalued (though I am impressed as how he can easily lift the girls over his shoulders to provide oral).
Also, if you could hire Sledge Hammer for the scene, that would be cool. Just keep him out of the sun because, uuh... he gets too sweaty! Yeah, that's the ticket!
Another suggestion I have, though it may be too expensive and cumbersome, is to use two cameras to film the event.
Whatever you do, don't employ the Vivid method of multiple angles (where the second shot is from a different time sequence of the scene).
A true multi-angle gangbang would be incredible if it was as technically sound as Digital Playground's All Star DVD. As popular and well-respected as Red Light District is, utilizing this technique could differentiate them from every other gonzo company out there and move them into the ranks with Evil Angel.
This is truly awesome news! Thank you Taylor and Dion! Taylor is my favorite girl and the thought of watching her do DPP's and DAP's is amazing! I love standing DP's. Swallowing and big messy facials are a no brainer.
I would love to see a bonus segment with Taylor getting herself off alone. Watching her squirt all over the place would be awesome, but this time don't show it while the fricken credits are playing! Shower scene would be hot too.
No Ron Jeremy...PLEASE!
Dion, will there be another Gang Bang girl or is this going to be a rare solo showcase?
Taylor Rain GB? Oh my! then i like to see the following: -anal creampie -big monsters toys in her ass -solo scene with pissing (behind the scene?) -all facial cumshots im still thinking in more things... Taylor I love you.
A lot of people have voiced their opinions over the "controversy" involving Taylor Rain not doing interracial. Me personally, I couldn't care less one way or another, but I look at it as a disappointment that Lex Steele and Brian Pumper can't be cast for the gb, b/c they are both top notch performers, and they would certainly make it a better movie.
taylor it does not bother me at all, that you are not doing interacial in this scene. i believe if you were feeling uncomfortable or weird about doing a black it might show in the performance. Also i will be watching you in the scenes and not the male performers. The spa idea sounds cool, i would also like to see taylor behind the scenes throughout the whole movie set though and not just in one location. Hope it turns out as great as it sounds on paper if not better.
good luck Taylor, i think it will be something special
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Posted - Sep 19 2003 : 4:52AM
OH MY GOD! 70 MINUTES OF TAYLOR W/ 12 GUYS. THIS WILL BE A GOOD XMAS PRESENT INDEED. I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT GORGEOUS FACE COVERED IN CUM BUT ALSO SOME ANAL CREAMPIE AND CUMFARTING AS WELL AS GARGLING AND SWALLOWING.
Ceiling Cat is watching you masturbate. 371 Posts 8/03
Posted - Sep 19 2003 : 4:59AM
oh yeah must have lots of anal gaping too
How about lots of anal gaping in piledriver position with Sledgehammer!
as far as interacial goes Sledge would be awesome. would be great to see that girth fill her lovely ass and then pulled out and spread wide with her legs behind her ears to reveal that huge gape and her gorgeous face looking up in the same shot.
one thing about Taylor - she has the most beautiful pussy and asshole i've ever seen in my life.
im am just curiosus, can taylor gape because it something that not all girls can do, some gape more than others, just look at aurora snow in ass worship 2 for one hell of gape, and other girls when a cock is taken out of their ass they dont gape at all.
It's funny you mention that because I find it pretty strange that she doesn't mind Max Hardcore fucking her yet she doesn't want to do black males. If I were a black male I would pretty insulted by that, I mean how can you say it's alright for Max Hardcore to fuck me yet Lexington Steele can't.
Look at the covers of JJs FH and AW series and put some sexy threads on her..don't cum in her eyes, have her face dance on every tongue until her ass gapes...sexy cum dripping slowly and copiusly from every orifice and being lapped by the gapemeisters. Kudos to RLD for mutual finacial rewards offered to Ms Taylor Rain as I am certain she will make it all cum out in the end.
Has Taylor ever taken a piss in a movie herself? I wouldn't mind seeing that.
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Posted - Sep 19 2003 : 9:01AM
Why is Dion even hiring someone who openly discriminates againt all black men? Dion would you even consider hiring a black girl who refuses to work with whitemen? If you did give me her name. Where is big mouth Lexington steele on this issue? I am surprised he is not commenting on his boss hiring this woman. I guess Lex wants to keep his job! With all the women in porn you chose to share profits with someone like Taylor Rain! Why? She is no major star. She has been fucked up the ass by everbody in porn...except the blacks. An IR gangbang would be the only thing she has not done. And the only reason to pick up this movie. Dion you are as almost as bad as companies like VCA and Vivid when you give your dollars to people like Taylor. When is porn going to evolve enough that there is no place for racists? This an actress who allows guys to PISS IN HER FACE! Its ok to do that but not work with blacks?
I AM CALLING FOR A BOYCOTT OF THIS MOVIE!
If you are tired of racism in porn then vote with your dollars people! Do not spend your cash on this or any Taylor Rain movie. Of course there will be people who love the idea of a white woman refusing to work with all blacks but they will never admit it. They are going to hide behind giving the women a "choice". Like they have a choice when 99% of the power in porn is with the whitemen. Choice only apply when they want discriminate against blacks and other minorities.
Taylor Rain won't have sex with me,does that mean she discriminate's againist 250 pound Italian Jewish men? lets not make this a racial thing,and if I thought that Taylor Rain didn't like Black people,I wouldn't do this with her,some of my best friends are Black,in my heart I feel that Taylor has no hate in her for anybody,I promise in the behind the scenes footage I will really push this topic,I will try my hardest to bring this out in her,believe me,I want this as bad as anyone,my favorite scenes are when there is Black Guys on White Girls,I still haven't gave up on her on this Interracial thing.
Because he's in the money making business. Why should he care about anything else?
I personally won't buy this movie because I don't like the way black males are being excluded by someone who has perfomed with worst looking guys. Skin color should not matter in this business.
surely that is not true. this quote suggests that he has lost control of her bowels because of anal, but if that were true she would be defecating uncontrollably in a scene. dont you think something like that might make you think twice about doing anal again? i agree that you can do damage to the system, but its a muscle and can be developed again. maybe i am wrong on this, but this would be a gradual process and wouldnt you be able to notice something going wrong and be able to stop before its too late? there is no way this is true.
I don't like Double anal/vag because it's rarely done with any erotic appeal. Often it's really mechanical and lacks even the slightest hint of spontaneity. Brandon Iron does decent double vag/anal work, but the list after him is pretty short.
I've had some good spanking sessions with Taylor's stuff in the past so whether or not it has double anal or vaginal won't make much of a difference. I can't say I'm not disappointed with the lack of interracial, but life will go on.
DION: If this is going to be another RLD Gangbank installment, you must get Jasmin Lynn to be the other girl. This would make it perfect. To of the best anal ladies in the business! What could be better.
Here's another vote for Lucy Lee!! She is very hot and would make a nice compliment to Taylor. Two gorgeous petite girls getting their asses fucked like there's no tomorrow!!
Dion! I admire you for not being a hypocrite. I sense you want her to do IR (keep trying) and thank you for reminding everybody it's not a racial thing. I certainly don't think so. It's just her personal choice and she's free to do so. I don't suck guy dick and it's not because I'm against men, it's just my choice!!!. Plus I love female pussies/asses. Just make a great GB movie and make it hot.
I don't blame her for not wanting to be with black guys. It's her choice. I personally have nothing against them but I don't find them the least bit attractive and could never have sex with one even if I was getting paid.
in an interview a few months back when asked about doing interracial taylor said that she doesn't do interracial and won't be doing interracial anytime in the near future. while it may be her personal choice for her and some of you to say that it's not a racial thing is pure bullshit! if taylor does not have a racist bone in her body like dion says then why is she acting like a member of the ku klux klan? action speaks louder than words and her racism can be heard from the redwood forest to the gulf stream waters.
Bottleneck! You may be 100% right, but so what if she is? People can be anything they want to be and she's people. I would fuck Taylor whether she was Black, White, Hispanics, Chinese or Arab (even after 9/11) simply because she's attractive to me. But I would not fuck Heaven if she was a 350lbs white woman, and it's not because I'm racist against fat/overweight people it's because I don't find fat attractive.
Edited by - bigdick on 9/20/2003 8:09:28 AM
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Posted - Sep 20 2003 : 11:20AM
Could it be that she is holding out for more $$$? Every porn star should preserve at least one act, I say. I kinda builds the tension.
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I don't think it's the money!! Dion had said he offered her "sick" amounts of money. I don't blame her. It's not racist. I'm not racist against black people, I have a black women who watches my 3 yr old daugher in daycare, I have many friends who are black, it's just that I'm not attracted to black men. Why do you guys want to see her do interracial so bad anyways? You should just be happy that she's doing the gangbang in the first place. I'm buying the movie as soon as it comes out!
How about this? Turn it around, would any of you sleep with a black women?
Because I'm sick of seeing white on white action all the time. Interracial scenes are a lot better in my opinion because there are a lot of bigger and better black performers in the industry right now than white performers.
Of course and I have it done many times because I don't judge women by the color of their skin. Too bad still many people do.....
I frequent this forum and web-site often and have been a member for quite some time. I read and rarely post however I find this particular topic interesting. It could be because I am a black male? Perhaps, however there have been similar posts in the past about this topic that I did not add my two cents, so I don't think that is it.
I've read every reply that Dion posted referencing Taylor's comments about performing with black talent, nothing that he's posted thus far suggests it's not racial. His first response to all the fans wondering if she will work with black talent was this
She basically said nothing! Here was her opportunity to be real and say something like
"You know Dion I have not run across a black man that I am attracted to or comfortable enough with in this industry. I've done some pretty insane things. Two guys, three guys, DP, swallowing sperm, I've been pissed on and inside my mouth. Hell I even worked with Max Hardcore. If black talent comes along that I am comfortable with or attractive to, sure I'll do it"
That's not what she said though her comment was it just hasn't happen and it isn't personnel. Really? I think it is and it's her choice but I'll get that in a moment. So it's not personal? Part of the definition of the word personal is not pertaining to an individual in a objectionable way. So if she does not object to being with black talent why won't she work with them if it's not personnel? Dion's next comment on the matter is this
So Dion offered her a sick amount of money to work with black talent but she won't. But it's not personal and she does not find black men objectionable? However swallowing, double every thing, a lot of nasty stuff, and pissing in her mouth is cool. Maybe she got a sick amount of money to have someone piss in her mouth?
Dion I was not there I don't know what you've discussed with her. Based on the statements you posted about her why would it not be a black thing? Taylor would have sex with you being 250lbs on film and it may not take a sick amount of money. You are what she's comfortable with but those aren't the comments posted from her by you.
Quite frankly I don't think you are being honest with your comments about not working with her if she didn't like black people. Money still speaks much louder than words do. I'm sure she wouldn't turn down working with black talent if you offered her 250K. Even if she did everyone has a price and can be bought and bartered like merchandise. This is going to be huge for RLD. You are not going to turn this down even though in the back of your head you know what the deal is. Now I'm off my soap box
Before I end this it's her choice to do whatever with whomever. It's her career, she should not have to work with black talent if she does not want to. She should not have to work with girls if she does not want to. She should do what she's comfortable with. I hope though in the future women in porn could be honest about their true feelings about this topic and not hide behind hollow blanket statements. I have never seen or purchased a film yet with Taylor in it. I was interested in it but not anymore. For me the interest went away when I saw her getting pissed on, now I’m really not interested.
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How naive are you? I personally don't have nothing against them but I don't find them the least bit attractive and could never have sex with one even if I was getting paid. Huh? You can honestly say in this entire world it isn't possible to find one black male you would find attractive? It is also naive to believe you wouldn't do it for the right price.
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That statement was extremely funny! Why don’t we just hold hands and go to church.
Edited by - malik on 9/20/2003 10:55:57 PM
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Posted - Sep 20 2003 : 3:42PM
Hell yeah I'd sleep with a black women. I'll take Beyonce or Tyra Banks or the wife from The Bernie Mac Show or Janet Jackson or Obsession (although I think she may be biracial). There used to be this really cute black porno star named Tabitha anyone remember her? India and Tiffany Mason I'd definitely fck.
Given that it is Taylor's choice in this movie, it is also the consumer's choice to buy it or not. TO RLD's credit, all box covers show the male cast. If you don't like the cast, don't buy it.
So members with less than 10 posts than you are quote end quote trolls to be dismissed because you think they have an agenda? That's foolish to believe that. Perhaps if you think clearly about the statements made you'll find there some validity to them. By the way I have under 10 and have been here since 2001.
I dont care about black guys or white boys, im looking the girl! is the same for me with black guys or black dildos i dont want to see the boy! . Please Dion no close ups to the ugly face of the male partners.
Whatever Taylor Rain's reasons for not wanting to do interacial for this movie are, can people just accept this and leave it alone? I mean, she's going to be doing double this and double that, what with 12+ guys, so it's not like you all are going to be disappointed. If she says her feelings on this are personal, that ought to be enough.
Some actresses don't do anal, should they be endlessly chastised for this? They're human beings and adults, they have the right to decide what they will and won't do on film.
I saw a thread on this forum (or Rame, I can't remember which), where a guy was complaining that actresses now start doing anal, DP, DAP, etc., way too early in their careers, so that fans are left with NOTHING TO LOOK FORWARD TO in future films. Honestly, it's like an actress is damned by some fans if she does, and damned by others if she doesn't.
As for performing with blacks, Rocco Siffredi has stated that he just doesn't want to perform with black women because he doesn't feel a strong attraction towards them; the only time he did it was for his film Tarzan, where he is supposed to be having sex with a woman from the African jungle, so it was required by the story. He said his preference had to do with wanting to give a strong, hot performance, and he needs to feel at least some attraction towards the woman to do this. Do you all think there is something horribly racist about this? Is anyone going to be boycotting Rocco films from now on because of his stance?
C'mon now,you say you don't judge people by the color of their skin but at the same time you say you're sick of seeing white on white?
Now if someone state that they were sick of seeing black on white because they thought there are a lot of bigger and better white performers in the industry than black performers, we'll all be jumping on them accusing them of being racist.
As a mixed race guy myself, believe it on not, I have to say I don't give a shit what color the guy performers are. I'm watch porn for the girls only. The color of the guys don't make me jack off any harder. Its really a non issue for me but this thread seems unable to move on.
Malik, I can honestly say that I wouldn't find one the least bit attractive, and not for the money either. When I was dancing, I was propositioned all the time by black males and I would never do it. I'm asian, and I have never been with an asian man or ever will, I don't find them attractive. So I guess I'm prejudice against my own race too?
I think the reason people get up in arms over the IR thing is the lack of honesty. Its silly for someone to say something isn't personal when it really is. If you don't want to work with someone you should make it crystal clear as to why. For 2 reasons one so we all know where we stand with each other so we can figure out if this is someone whose pockets we want to put money in and so people can stop asking the same questions over and over. Its got to be annoying for performers to keep getting questions about something they have no intentions of doing. So why not be honest and kill all the controversy? Sure some people wont like your reasons for things but like I said at least we'll all know where we stand.
Also since when do you have to be attracted to someone to work with them? You mean all the women who work with Ron Jermey or Rodney Moore are attracted to them?