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ChodeMasterJ
Perpetual Marxist

5405 Posts
4/03
Posted - Jan 18 2007 : 11:38PM
I had ordered two dvds from FilthyDvds off of Adultdvdmarketplace the other day and today i got an email saying that he 'can no longer ship to Texas due to state law, refunding order ... sorry'. what the fuck? what obscenity laws and when did this happen?

i ordered a bunch of dvds from ADE the other day without any hassles whatsoever. did I miss something, like some new laws or something? i searched the forums and didn't find anything about it. can anyone shed light on this? I emailed the guy just now, but probably won't hear back till tomorrow. just thought i'd ask....

Topic Moved by - Drew Black on Feb 7 2007

Something Different
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96 Posts
1/06
Posted - Jan 18 2007 : 11:48PM
That's why its called the FORMERLY FREE state of Texas.
Porn Scout
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10/02
Posted - Jan 18 2007 : 11:53PM
I would advise you not to buy from that seller at all. I've had soooo many bad experiences with him!!

My preferred seller on ADM is AllDelight.com or closetkeptsecrets. Those two are actually the same guy - he just uses two different usernames. I've ordered from him at least 10 times and probably more than that, and never had a problem.

ChodeMasterJ
Perpetual Marxist

5405 Posts
4/03
Posted - Jan 19 2007 : 12:02AM
cool. thanks for the advice. i've ordered from alldelight before and the guy was super nice. i think i ordered from filthy because he had two titles that i wanted and alldelight only had one. oh well, i definitely won't use that filthydvds dude anymore. thanks for the tip.
BigLou
Member

57 Posts
11/05
Posted - Jan 19 2007 : 12:30AM
ADM will only block the danger zip codes in Texas, FilthyDVDs apparently has his own enlarged list. ADE doesn't block any zip codes, even though they claim to on the rules and regs. I get orders all the time from them for no ship zones. I dont want to knock the competition per se, but I've used filthy before to fulfill ebay orders I was suddenly out of stock on, and it took him 6 weeks every time.

Of course, the other side of the coin is when I get an order and the person wants to know 4 days later why it isn't there yet. Harumpf.

adm: biglou
ade: snyderola

 
married_lucky
Deactivated User

202 Posts
11/06
Posted - Jan 19 2007 : 3:28PM
Like in the case of private property, like this forum where moderators determine what's best for it and it's business.

The community that you live in has determined what's best for it and has establish laws.

Your options range ...you could go public with your outrage at the community, tell everyone you work with, or that visits your business, that you can't jerk-off to porn because the materials have been banned... you could do studies that show the public benefit from having such material available and fight to get the community to broaden it's standards.

You could also move to where most of the porn is made, surely they have no restrictions on it's production and sale.

Freedom is relative to community standards...therefore leaving people free to move on.

Asmodeus
Lord of Lust

az-mo-day-us
6338 Posts
10/01
Posted - Jan 19 2007 : 4:00PM
I've never had any problems with FilthyDVDs and they've provided me alot of great sales over the years. Obviously they don't want any potential hassles with obscenity laws so the real blame is with the anti-porn zealots in the Lone Star state.

Edited by - Asmodeus on 1/19/2007 4:03:26 PM

ChodeMasterJ
Perpetual Marxist

5405 Posts
4/03
Posted - Jan 19 2007 : 6:37PM
well i ordered some from globalflix and alldelight last night, both on ADM and had no probs with them. i guess it's just something that's unique to filthydvds. oh well. i'm still getting my stuff and that's what matters.
nateglass
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I must break you
201 Posts
12/05
Posted - Jan 21 2007 : 4:25PM
mod: this is a spam-free zone.

Edited by - hardware on 1/21/2007 8:40:27 PM

Learned Hand
Member

175 Posts
2/06
Posted - Jan 30 2007 : 12:21AM
Well, the problem is not with individual sellers apparantly. Adult DVD Marketplace won't even let me set up an account. They have a list of zip codes that they block.

I find this especially silly since Austin does not even have a vice squad. Vice prosecutions are pretty explictly off the table here.

Now, a year or so ago the Federal Govt shut down a local porn/drugs/prositution/tax evading store in town. Possibly this is what got the city on the hit list. That guy went down for tax evasion in any case. However, this is not something that local authorities had anything to do with. The owner of that store was a racketeer and he was busted by the Feds.

Austin is the most liberal place in Texas. Lest you think that is faint praise, rather than going after pornographers, our local DA went after (and took down) Tom DeLay.

I find this fairly infuriating since this is not an issue with local porn regulation, it is a mistaken impression by whoever has made the list for the marketplace. I was about to make an order of over $100, all of stuff for sale in town, just at higher prices, when I got blocked for no good reason.

If there is someone official who reads this, I can go down with a digital camera and take pictures of stuff for sale in our local porn stores. Or, if that does not satisfy, tell me what would. I would like this changed.

Don't tell me to change the local government, it is not the problem. The other problem with the typical response of "change the local government" is that the list keepers of these "danger" zip codes would have no idea that the governement had changed. I think that for the most part these lists are based on bad or sketchy, or incomplete information. Heaven knows Austin has no reason to be on this list. There hasn't been an obscenity case brought here in more than 20 years.

I am serious about wanting Austin off the list. What does it take?

Hardware All-Star Supporter
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14595 Posts
3/02
Posted - Jan 30 2007 : 12:35AM
Can you not use their contact page?
ChodeMasterJ
Perpetual Marxist

5405 Posts
4/03
Posted - Jan 30 2007 : 12:37AM
oops.
Harri Patel
Senior Member

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5110 Posts
3/03
Posted - Jan 30 2007 : 12:44AM
I would try e-mailing industry lawyer Paul Cambria ( pcambria at avn dot com) and seeing if he can shed any light on the situation. If he doesn't establish these porno "no-fly zones" himself (á la the "Cambria List" of inadvisable content), he probably knows who does.
Learned Hand
Member

175 Posts
2/06
Posted - Jan 31 2007 : 3:16AM
Thanks to Hardware for making the rational suggestion. I was so flummoxed and infuriated that I was not capable of thinking clearly at the time.

Here is what I mailed them:

Ticket ID: FWC-94465
Subject: Austin TX should be removed from your blocked zip codes
Message: For some reason you have Austin, Texas on your list of blocked zip codes. I believe this is a mistake and should be changed.

Austin is a very liberal town. The police department does not even have a vice department. They have a policy of not being interested in non-violent victimless sex "crimes." The DA in Austin is not going after pornographers, rather he went after, and took down, Tom DeLay.

Austin has many porn stores and I have never heard of one being raided. Rather, the very popular alternative newspaper (whose endorsements are the most important factor for political sucess in the city) has a catagory in their annual "Best of Austin" contest (voted on by readers) for best adult video store.

I am only aware of three obscenity cases involving Austin in over twenty years. Two of them were brought by the Federal Government under John Ashcroft. Both of those involved primarily racketeering and tax evasion charged brought against people who owned chains of adult bookstores. The obscenity charges were Ashcroft's little throw ins. Neither case went to trial. Both men pled guilty as part of a plea bargain. One of those pleas included guilty to a obscenity charge, but that was obviously negotiated between the Federal prosecutor and the defendant. It says nothing about Austin juries or the Austin District Attorney or Police Department.

Both men were tax cheats and were primarily prosecuted for this reason. The grand jury that returned the obscenity charge for the one who pled guilty to obscenity was a Federal Jury in Dallas, it had nothing to do with Austin.

The one other obscenity case involved sexually explicit stuff about gay aids trasmission going out over community access television. I think everyone can agree that the community standards are different for material broadcast on TV vs what is mailed to a home or found in a porn shop.

I want to be able to use your merchants. I spent a couple of hours the other day coming up with an order of over $100 only to find out I could not even set up an account. All of the videos I wanted to buy are easily available in town. I would just have to pay around $270 to get them here rather than ordering over the net.

I am willing to go to a video store and take digital pictures to show what is on sale. I am a non-practicing lawyer so I can probably find any other information you want as well. Tell me what you proof you want in order to remove Austin from your blocked list.

Learned Hand
Member

175 Posts
2/06
Posted - Jan 31 2007 : 3:17AM
I will try this if Hardware's suggestion does not pan out. I may do it anyway, but one step at a time you know.
 
BACMUSA
Member

California
23 Posts
5/06
Posted - Feb 5 2007 : 9:27PM
FilthyDVDs is the absolute WORST seller on Adult DVD Marketplace. They're actually Mallcom in disguise. The best dealers with NO HASSLES on that website are AllDelight.com/closetkeptsecrets (both are the same company) and DVDMoviesDirect/MILLENIUM_MOVIES (both are the same company).

FilthyDVDs won't answer emails and it takes forever to get the product.

The BEST for service is DVD Movies Direct and MILLENIUM_MOVIES. They answer their emails same day, and they follow through.

Jim Torwich

hollywood woody
Senior Member

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1567 Posts
2/07
Posted - Feb 6 2007 : 2:47PM
how do you know alldelight is the same as closetkeptsecrets ?
threesomebody
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12/04
Posted - Feb 6 2007 : 5:27PM
I would agree with that. After having issues, I refused to buy from them for about a year. Then I decided to give it a shot, and they fucked it up again (didn't have the DVD that I had bought, so they sent me a substitute without even contacting me!) I hate them. They should die.
BigLou
Member

57 Posts
11/05
Posted - Feb 7 2007 : 12:19AM
Part right... they are horrid, dvds take weeks, if they arrive at all. However, your interpretation that they are mallcom probably springs from their online store... in fact, they just link up to mallcom using an affiliate code.
BACMUSA
Member

California
23 Posts
5/06
Posted - Feb 7 2007 : 7:52AM
Mallcom has a guy in North Carolina (he used to be located in New York) working directly for them and he is in charge of "FilthyDVDs" and "AAA-XXX" on Adult DVD Marketplace.

I know Mallcom have a lot of affiliates, but this is a direct business relationship.

Jim Torwich

supermanrocket001
Member

44 Posts
8/06
Posted - Oct 14 2007 : 10:43PM
So what's the update on this? Is Texas still blacklisted by some merchants?



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