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Dread
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Posted - May 6 2007 : 3:24PM
I was reading a few posts on here about people watching the BTS parts of dvds and it got me wondering why there is such an appeal to see BTS footage?

i'd rather stimulate your mind than emulate your purpose

Ramsey
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Posted - May 6 2007 : 3:31PM
I also want to see actresses the way they really are, not the way they act.
Steve Holmes
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Posted - May 6 2007 : 3:59PM
Although I shoot gonzo, I try to shoot as good picture and sound quality as possible.

For the BTS I don't care about quality. But many of my sets are really loos. There is a lot of sex going on behind the scene. I try to catch as much of this non staged sex as possible. The quality might suffer but the sex is so real. I love it.

Steve Holmes

Gunzo
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Posted - May 6 2007 : 5:03PM
I love watching girls cought off guard by the BTS-camera, some get annoyed by it and some seem to think it's weird that anyone will find it interesting to watch.

And some girls are very open and talkative in BTS which is pretty cool, like Vanessa Lane in Dual Invasion 2 where she talks about her sugar daddies while cleaning off. In the same flick we see Tiffany Holiday joining Michael Stefano in the shower. It's always nice knowing that the performers like working together.

But BTS can also be incredibly boring with just the director setting up the next position and angle (Jules Jordan...).

jackthetreacleeater
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Posted - May 6 2007 : 5:28PM
BTS is great. In some DVDs I've watched I've preffered the BTS to the sex! Especially when some spontaneous sex happens like Mr Holmes said.
It's great to see what the girls are really like. Sometimes they can be really cute and funny, some can be as dense as a neutron star, some can be stuck so far up themselves they might come out of their own arses.
I wish there was more humour in some sex scenes sometimes, it doesn't have to be all serious all the time. I've always loved Courtney Cummz because she giggles and smiles a lot in her scenes. Sex should be fun, shoudln't it?

Nothing says romance like anal sex.

 
Dread
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Posted - May 6 2007 : 5:33PM
I don't watch many(if any at all) but i would be interested in some talkative BTS footage with the girls.


the spontaneous sex is always a good thing as well...perhaps i should watch some

i'd rather stimulate your mind than emulate your purpose

IWAdult
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Posted - May 6 2007 : 7:45PM
I used to skip the BTS, but lately i watch it first because you can find some seriously funny material.

What is even better is when you find spur the moment sex scenes. Case in Point - Missy Monroe and Mr. Pete in Spring a Leak 1 when they are talking then all the sudden he just starts fucking her. It was so raw and hot.

Crucifixio_Jones
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Posted - May 6 2007 : 7:46PM
If the director has an excellent rapport with the girls and a loose set like Holmes explained, then the BTS can occasionally contain some real magic moments. With some directors' movies, the BTS is the first thing I watch, especially if I know or am interested in the girl.
Double Vag Lover
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Posted - May 6 2007 : 8:12PM
I too agree with Mr. Holmes. I watch the BTS for interviews and such especially when a girl is going to do something (DP for example) for the first time. It's cool to see what drives a girl in the business.
wusshater
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Posted - May 6 2007 : 9:17PM
I feel like some BTS is great and some BTS is horribly boring, obviously depending on the movie.
fundo
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Posted - May 6 2007 : 10:42PM
If they don't already, talent should stipulate in a contract that they be paid extra for BTS. I remember a pro-am director on set. Everytime the female talent had to go to the bathroom to pee he sent his best friend/cameraman into the cramped hotel bathroom with his VX1000 to capture her while relieving herself. The director said he made extra money selling the footage to a European buyer. Of course, the talent didn't know her rights--she didn't even know she was being exploited.

Edited by - fundo on 5/6/2007 10:42:58 PM

Pocketcomb_Pimp
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Posted - May 6 2007 : 11:56PM
I miss Le Wood, they always had the best BTS. They shot straight up conversation with women and you could tell that it was about more than porn, that Mark and Fran really dug each other and the talent they chose.

You always got to see talent makeup free, and even fran without makeup, wearing glasses. You also got a clea shot of how bright people were and what their personal style was.

Porn is 50% fake in my book, but these cats manage too make it all real.

Le Wood people, LE WOOD!

Crucifixio_Jones
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Posted - May 7 2007 : 12:14AM
It's more than 50% fake, that's for sure but you're right Fran and Mark, Fran especially, seem to be really adept at putting talent at ease and getting them to open up just a little in their BTS. And I always get a kick out of Francesca, sans makeup, helping girls to get ready to be fucked by her husband. Porn's a wacky biz. And Mark's a lucky, lucky guy.
Ordell
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Posted - May 7 2007 : 12:50AM
Steve, shouldn't that tell you that there's an inherent flaw in the way movies are made if the best sex you are getting on film is the spontaneous fucking that actors get into before or after their official scenes are done?
Gunzo
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Posted - May 7 2007 : 5:42AM
Well, Joey Silvera's stuff is often quite spontaneous, but somehow that very unformulated old-school gonzo style is still less appealing to me than the more formulated new-school gonzo. So I would probably not buy a movie with only BTS type fucking in it, it's more entertaining than it is arousing to me.
 
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Posted - May 7 2007 : 9:07AM
I'm usually the type to watch the BTS first. At least on single disc releases, or releases where disc 2 only has the DVD extras. But anyway, I'm interested in learning about the personalities of the cast and crew. And seeing the girls getting dressed and doing their hair and makeup or posing for stills, or outtakes from the fuck scenes, are good to get get me nice and warmed up for watching the actual movie.

Mike Quasar movies usually have good BTS. Just because he can be so comedic when shooting stills or explaining the scenario of the scenes. If you've read his posts here, you might be able to imagine. I really haven't seen many Belladonna directed movies, but they can include extremely long BTS that really do give a good idea of peoples' personalities.

Steve Holmes
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Posted - May 7 2007 : 9:50AM
Not really. The performers don't open up for good angles, the lighting sucks and the girls are not made up and dressed sexy. I just like the amateur like reality.

By putting the real scene and the BTS on one DVD you get the best of both worlds.

Steve Holmes

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Posted - May 7 2007 : 10:54AM
I like the BTS stuff on most DVDs. You can see the stars as real people and not just fuck holes and fuck sticks. It can also leave you a bit jaded, depending on who does the BTS, because it takes all the spontaneity out of the sex. Listening to the director say something like, "a minute of doggy vag, then a minute of reverse vag, then the cumshot to end the scene." It's just cookie cutter, following a checklist, porn then.

But I like the "bloopers" like I saw in a Jim Powers movie I downloaded from americanvice.com. The chick spewed up an endless stream of vomit after a load of cum hit the back of her throat. She kept apologizing and a bit of conversation followed where she said something about eating onion rings for lunch.

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girth peso
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Posted - May 7 2007 : 11:37AM
Chico wang has the best BTS.
veronica moser
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Posted - May 7 2007 : 11:51AM
+1 re' above post…

Done right (or rather, the way I like it done) BTS can be fascinating. Like many folks said above, its very cool to see the chicks hang around and bullshit and be charming and funny etc etc…

However, I can't stand interviewers who ask the gals idiotic/sleazy questions, i.e. "so, what's it like being a whore? are you a worthless cock monkey?" Perhaps they think that the people watching get off on such shit, and they could be right, but I think they sound like such repulsive assholes. This is everyone's chance to be themselves, or to show that you can be a gentleman. but I guess perhaps behaving in such a manner is an accurate w/r/t to how porno dudes actually are, or how they are perceived to be.

Ramsey
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Posted - May 7 2007 : 12:22PM
Actually I don't like to see BTS stuff where the girl still acts like a pornstar just because she knows they're still filming. I like it when they act all natural like they would if the camera wasn't on. I also like to see BTS stuff where things go wrong or something like that. JM shoots some of the best BTS stuff in my opinion.
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Posted - May 7 2007 : 2:41PM
I like BTS because it's fun to see the girl before they get makeup on etc. and here them talk a bit.
BigBobxxx
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Posted - May 7 2007 : 3:08PM
I enjoy BTS segments.
Some are better than others.

Personally, I always get a kick out of Quasarman's BTS segments, which can often be hilarious.

Clam Digger
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Posted - May 7 2007 : 3:23PM
Steve,
I think the BTS on Anal Romance 2 is a great example of how sexy it can be. I'm sure that you recall how both you and Manuel just ravished Tiffany Minx in the BTS. I think that it is so hot that it should have been added, as is, to the "regular" scene. It gets annoying to jump between the regular scene and and the BTS b/c they are both so hot. I want to see them together, actually I think you put part of the footage in the Bonus scene as well.

I don't think that things always need to be opened up for good angles to be hot. A great example is with Manuel and Sunny Lane in Fresh Faces 6. Manuel in Sunny get it on briefly in the BTS. He is fucking her while both have there clothes on. I get a boner every time I just remember it, let alone watch it. Nothing is open, they are not playing for the camara, just themselves.

I think there is a difference between plain old porn and truly erotic porn. Give me the eroticism every time.

Edited by - Clam Digger on 5/7/2007 3:49:32 PM

Clam Digger
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Posted - May 7 2007 : 3:47PM
I agree in the example that you offer. That is clearly exploitation. But as long as the talent isn't being asked to have sex and that it is just spontaneous, well then I think that it is fair to put in the BTS.

 
The The
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Posted - May 7 2007 : 4:12PM
What I like to see in BTS footage:

1. real sex. Whether it's before the scene, or waiting for the lighting to be adjusted, etc., because there's no fake screaming or moaning.

2. the true reactions of girls after the stills are taken and they are cleaning themselves, and they are saying how gross cum is.

3. girls picking out their outfits. I had never put any thought into the outfits other than how hot the girls look. I'm always amazed they bring a rolling suitcase full of outfits for scenes

4. girls getting their make up done. The calm before the storm; getting dressed up to get messed up, etc. Whatever you want to call it


I would agree that Chico does have the best BTS footage

What I don't like to see in BTS footage:

1. girls smoking (and they all seem to be smokers). I hate smoking so much, and it is the #1 turnoff for me.

2. continuation of the fake porno talk; "Oh I love two big cocks in my ass at the same time" or "I love swallowing the loads of 13 guys"

Steve Holmes
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Posted - May 7 2007 : 4:14PM
Dear Clam Digger,

of course I remember Anal Romance 2. The chemistry between Manuel and Tiffany was great.

I try to get the most out of my performers but exploitation is a harsh word. Nothing BUTT Fun was shot with three cameras. One camera was set up just for the bathroom and you see a lot of girls pissing or sucking dicks or getting fucked there for BTS. But nobody complaint. Everybody had fun and I pay more than usual.

Steve Holmes

Gunzo
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Posted - May 7 2007 : 4:41PM
I've seen girls that doesn't seem very comfortable with the BTS camera, and it seems most of the times that it is also being respected. I think that the moment BTS material gets scripted or required by the girls, it will lose it's appeal.
Clam Digger
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Posted - May 7 2007 : 4:49PM
Steve;
From your posts that I have seen (especially your comments regarding GGG on another thread), you do not strike me as someone who would intentionally exploit anyone. I was replying to the post made by fundo and reacting to the scenario that he put forth.

I have never heard anyone post anything negative about you. And I would tend not to believe a negative one unless it game from several sources. You seem to me to be one of the good guys in porn.

In my first post, the one directed to you, I was just commenting that that the "regular" scene, the BTS and the bonus scene were so hot that they need not have been (IMHO) separated. It is a very strong DVD as a whole.

Dread
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Posted - May 7 2007 : 5:13PM
i'm getting the impression that good BTS footage can really enhance the overall enjoyment of an already good movie. pretty interesting.

i'd rather stimulate your mind than emulate your purpose

coachcam
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Posted - May 7 2007 : 7:27PM
In our movies, BTS and Interviews are different chapters.
The BTS is shot as things happen. Some people have more personality than others and play more to the camera. The real funny stuff just happens and if you're not ready, you miss it.

The Interviews are all about trust. I tell every girl that I won't ask them anything embarrassing and I treat them with respect. Even though we're alone together in a room and they are naked. I like to give our fans a very up close look at the girls and ask them things that our fans want me to ask them while my camera gives the viewer a close look at their "best features".

With all due respect to other BTS camera people, there is really no reason for the picture quality of the BTS to be any different from the quality of the rest of the movie.
I shoot the BTS and Interviews with the same camera I shoot the movie with. Yes, sometimes, the lighting can't be perfect, like if I follow them into the shower, etc.
BUT there are some people with the attitude of "it's just BTS" and I disagree with that. I sometimes think that a statement like that is just another way of saying "who cares"? And you know what??? The people spending their money on our movies care.

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