This is the question that I and a bunch of others want to know. Are stars like Jenna Jameson, Jesse Jane, Tera Patrick, and other Vivid girls, Club Jenna girls, etc... completely and utterly overrated? Do they deserve all of the praise they get or do they not get enough?
In my opinion Jenna Jameson and Tera Patrick are cool. They have both made at least 1 or 2 movies I enjoy. But lets look at the real side of the story. They don't work half as hard or offer as much in a scene as say Hillary Scott, Mia Rose, Teagan Presley, Sasha Grey, Taryn Thomas, Alektra Blue, Tory Lane, Jasmine Bryne, Marie Luv and the list goes on. Hell. Even newbies such as Bree Olson, and Veronique Vega offer a more pleasing and entertaining scene. These girls bust their asses putting out scene after scene of excellence, to please their fans. They get recognized for it sure, but a lot of people don't consider them to be as big a name as say Jenna Jameson, Tera Patrick, Jesse Jane, Cassidey or Savannah Samson. Yet these so called Mega Stars continue to be praised even though lets face it. Most of those girls, Club Jenna girls, and Vivid girls really haven't done much to warrant having such success. At least not that I'm aware of.
I mean Jenna Jameson who hasn't done a b/g scene (with someone other then her last husband) in how many years? She is a great star. And has done things that helped shape this Industry, and pave the way for other girls and future girls. She deserves to be recognized as a legend, or even the queen of porn. But as of current status. She really doesn't deserve all of the attention she is getting. What has she done?!? What? Justin loves Jenna(Are you serious?)? Janine loves Jenna(Yeah. We'll see about that one.)? Even before now she hasn't done much as far as sex goes. Looking at IAFD I can see she has never done Anal, DP, IR, or Creampies(Oh my she's done like 2) barely. Hell she's never even swallowed. Probably not even a drip. Same goes for Jesse Jane. At least Tera Patrick and Savannah Samson have a few more accolades underneath their belts. Now I'm not saying you have to do DP or Anal to be a Mega Star. But when you compare them to awesome performers like Mia Rose, Hillary Scott, Jasmine Bryne and you know the rest, it kinda seems like they haven't done much of anything in the 5-10+ years they have been here.
So to me. They are definitely overrated. At least as of now they are. I'm not living in the past. The present which is what I'm concentrating on really doesn't do them much justice. Then again. This is just my opinion on the matter. Though at least Tera Patrick is trying to spice things up a bit with her new b/g movie comeback.
Aren't you supposed to get better with age and experience? Guess that only counts for wine....
Ummm good topic. I am waiting now to see the replies on this. Although I think we are all equal. No matter how many awards you win, movies you are in, contract girl or gonzo girl. We are all having sex for a living so in my eyes were all equal.
The irony about adult megastars is that the less you fuck on camera, the more famous you are. The contract thing is WAY more about selling the sizzle than making the bacon, as it were. That's why girls like Sasha Grey and Dana DeArmond and others spend so much time hanging out on forums and working MySpace, because they are the only ones who are going to promote themselves ... in addition to, in many cases, shooting intense hardcore scenes every day or other day. Contract girls earn a lot less ... maybe $50 k vs. $100+ k that a top gonzo girl can get. But they spend more time doing fanfares and signing sessions and smiling pretty.
In the end, I think the gonzo girl who grabs control of her own work wins biggest. If you ask me who is the next Jenna, well ... it's Belladonna.
Overrated or underrated? It doesn't matter. That's like a subjective opinion. "How well paid" is the question that matters. And what profit will she make from her work after she's finished with shooting 100+ scenes a year.
Actually Skronk. That is the main thing that matters. Because it is all based on opinion. Their Mega Stardom is all based on their sucess and how people percieve them. You can have or make all the money in the world and still not be well known or "Big". Just like you could make next to nothing and be more popular then a big named star. Which makes things like "How well paid" a girl is irrelevant. Because without the fans they wouldn't be as big as they are today. Which is why I think fans give some of them a little bit too much credit. Hence me saying they are overrated. The amount of money that a girl makes does not dictate their popularity or stardom. I mean there are a ton of freelance girls out there that make more money then a lot of contract girls, but they aren't as popular.
Another reason that doesn't factor in is this. Even if the most popular, and most sought after girl does 200 scenes and makes close to $200k they still won't make as much as a girl like Jenna or Tera. Two girls that used to or currently own companies(and are raking in millions), sold companies, produce and direct movies, make money off of their hired talents, have clothing lines or other products and so on. So if how much they were paid was the deciding factor for a girl being or becoming a Mega Star, then essentially what you're saying is that most of these wonderful girls that aren't incredibly rich, but bust their asses to give us great stuff, don't have a chance in hell of reaching that level. At least for another 5-10 yrs. Or until they start a company or start bringing in the big bucks. I would hate to think that was the definitive reasoning behind my success and status(fan or business wise).
Not exactly so. An option is they can pay someone to do it. The Star Factory just signed up Carly Parker & Brooke Haven. We are doing some pretty cool things with Eva that should come to fruition over the next few month.They may make less overall performing, but make up a hell of a lot hosting parties, singing, appearances, feature dancing.
IMHO, make the money that way. Why shoot yourself out? Or subject your body to the wear of constant performing?
Budget yourself, promote your name, make your money on your website, work smart, not hard...
Pretty much. But that takes commitment. Time, energy, effort & intellect.I think "How well paid" is not relevant either, as much as how much SAVED. How much invested in your future...
But going back to the original...
Skronk had it right that is very subjective. What may get you off, might not make my dick hard. last scene I rubbed one out to was a Jelena Jensen striptease. Did she "work half as hard" as any of the other girls general scenes listed? She probably did not break a sweat but fuck it, she was naked, hot, sexy and there ya go.
Is she overrated? fuck, not to me. I put that dvd under my pillow. I'll give that harlot some praise.
Wow. You are so humble. Most of the girls from the companies I mentioned probably aren't that humble.
The thing is that girls like you take a scene beyond what it could be and turn it into what it should be. Actually giving us something in your performances. Something to talk about. Other more popular girls just stick with the same old thing over and over again. Almost to the point where you know what will happen before it happens. Like Vanilla. Not even a tasty French Vanilla. Just the plain one. Most people here could probably review a Vivid movie without even having to see it. Not saying that all Vivid movies are bad or that all Vivid girls are bad. I'm just using them as an example seeing as how they are the "Biggest" company so to speak. There are other girls out there too from other companies. I could start a list, but won't.
I'm just saying that if you have a million in the bank, it doesn't matter what the public thinks. Whether you get there singing pix next to Billy Munster at the Idaho State Fair, or doing blowbangs six days a week. As Monstar notes, there IS a correlation between professionalism and intelligence and sustained success, so the performers who can flip it like Stormy or Belladonna are, for me, the ones who can never be underestimated, because they are in charge. Same for someone like Devinn Lane, and perhaps down the line, a Joanna Angel ... Jenna and Tera, neither of whom really interest me as performers and only briefly did when they were in gonzo for a minute, both mastered the knack of branding: They are famous for being famous. For me, that's a fairly empty route to celebrity. Is that better or worse than being Carmen Elektra? The reason I love Bella is that she's made erotic artistry the core of her mission, and continues to present herself as a free-thinking, unboxed, creative freak of nature who is all about pushing the envelope in her own what-the-fuck fashion. The problem I have with most contract stars gone uberbabe is that, culturally, they're a snooze, just reinforcing the tired archetypes of plastic party doll with the rocker/kickboxer BF and the lame reality TV shows and D-list celebrity hellworld appearances. I'm sure there's different underneath, but the public profile is so ... central casting.
Can we move into the 21st century already? I guess that's why I like Bella ... or Sasha Grey ... or Lorelei Lee ... or ... whomever lights up the sky next with an intelligent, articulate, original perpspective that isn't just another installment in Fast Porn Nation.
Um ... that's all. I'm probably taking this thread off track. If so, my bad!
But see that's why I say. Are people's opinions of some of these girls too high, biased or one could even say fanboy-ish? I mean because if its based on work and effort put into it, then I gotta say, I'm not impressed with some of them. Example. Would you agree with a girl who lays there like a dead fish, but looks hot as hell being a Mega Star? Would she be extremely overrated if she was? Fuck Yeah.
My thing is. Just because a girl put out awesome scenes quite some years ago, does that justify her being as big as she is currently because she has a ton of fans from the past clinging to her dress and refusing to let go?! I mean I would hate to be one of these girls and go to something like AVN Awards 2008 and lose to a girl that hasn't done anything worthwhile in a long time, just because she's the "It" girl or the "Hottest" or "Biggest". Not based on excellence of your work that year. It happens all the time. In Porn, Mainstream Movies, Music, TV, Sports. There is always one person that people and media cling to and they make them out to be the kings and queens in their respective industries. It also happens in those hot 100 lists. Ever notice how the same people make like top 10 or 1 almost every year. Jesse Jane, Jenna Jameson, and Tera Patrick usually are up there. And I'm sorry. Jenna, Jesse and Tera are great girls, but there is no way you can tell me Jesse looks hotter(looks) then Mia, Taryn, or Bree(examples). Or that Jenna, Tera, Stephani Morgan, Cassidey is hotter(popularity/demand wise) then Hillary or Teagan or Sasha. So please tell me what those lists are based off of?!
Some good points in there. I agree with alot of it too. I mean I think we are kind of on the same page about some girls gaining celebrity that didn't really do much to deserve it.
On another note I think another thing that grants these girls such massive celebrity, stardom and success is the media. I mean its kind of like when you hear a song on the radio over and over again. At first you hate it. Then you don't care. And sometimes you end up liking it, because its been drilled into your brain. Its happened to everyone in some form or another. Wether its an object, a person, a song, a movie, or whatever. If you hear that song enough, or see that commercial enough, or watch that movie enough, etc.. You begin to accept it and like it. The Media does that with stars. They did it for Lebron James, and T.O in sports. Tom cruise, and a while back Vin diesel in movies. Kanye West, Marylin Manson, for music. American idol for T.V., Harry Potter for books and so on. Not saying that these people and things aren't good at what they do. But they don't give you a chance to decide that for yourself. Its like being force fed into believing these people and objects are the next best thing since sliced bread. Porn is no different. There is always an "It" person. That's what the Media is there for.
A lot of it is management and also plugging into a larger corporate framework where the company can spend a lot of money promoting their contract icon ... it's not unlike how new teen pop stars are marketed ... and, really, it has more to do with how willing someone is to be marketed in certain ways than what they do on a scene.
Usually, you bust your ass to "make it," and once you make it, you just sit still and get paid. You have "working actresses" in mainstream theater and film, and you have mega stars who maybe do a movie a year. I'd venture that Laura Linney kicks the ass of 97% of any other women in Hollywood, and probably gets paid OK, but not nearly as much as Julia Roberts. Now whether Julia is a "good" actress or not is not nearly as important as the name she made with "Pretty Woman," and her Oscar cred for "Erin Brockovich." Aside from that, I'm not very sure what her value has been to the movies on an _artistic_ level. But she is probably the most famous and well-paid modern actress. I can say that Laura Linney is the best actress in America, but I'd wager your average moviegoer won't know her name. They all know Julia.
they don't even rate with me. i never buy or watch that shit. i'm not interested in the big names. the bigger the name, the more bland the performance.
I wouldn't call any of the girls mentioned "over rated". People like the folks who post on this forum are a very small fraction of the end consumer of porn movies. Now if your average middle age couple go to buy or rent a porn movie chances are they are not gonna get something along the lines of "7 black dicks in one tiny girls ass". They are most likely gonna grab a feature. I know from my own experience that when the wife is away and I want to rub one out I may watch some gonzo, however if me and the wife are gonna watch a flick it will be a feature or maybe a older compilation with scenes from features.
I love Belladonna's stuff, however will she ever be accepted by the mainstream like Tera, Jenna, or Jesse Jane. I highly doubt it! It's a matter of what appeals to the majority, and lets face it the majority of porn viewers obviously like features (those DvD's don't buy themselves). I don't think any Gonzo performer will ever get the mainstream media coverage and appearances that a contract girl will get. And mainstream coverage is what sells movies to the mainstream, which is the majority of the end consumer.
I also agree with Monstar, it's not about which girls work harder it's about which girls work smarter. If a girl puts out 100 scenes in a year how many people are gonna buy every movie she is in? Where as a girl who does 5-6 scenes a year and spends the rest of the time marketing herself and building a fan base is gonna sell alot more of the movies with those scenes in them.
Their is a old saying in show business and I think it also applies to the porn business "Always leave them wanting more".
P.S. please forgive any typo's as I spent the last 16 hours reconfiguring 3 Cisco routers and my brain feels like mush.
I must respectfully recuse myself from this discussion, lest my emotions get the best of me and I wind up getting my pee-pee whacked by the moderators.
Again.
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I know I'm in the minority but I find probably 90% of the so-called porn stars these days to be overrated. Or maybe I should say not to my taste. It's all about personal taste, so I suppose the really popular girls have a common denominator that is appreciated by the most guys. I tend to go more for the girls who are a bit different or have an attribute I really get hot about. For instance, one of my fave girls is Amanda West - the girl has some awesome pussy lips, real mud-flaps, and I love that. Plus she's cute as a button. I also like Audry Banks and I've only been able to find her in two scenes. But she really knows how to handle two guys at once and I appreciate that trait in a lady.
Girls like Jenna J and Tera Patrick leave me cold. And don't even get me started on Belladonna - yeesh. I never got past the tats and gap-tooth thing.
That's not usually the case all the time though. I mean look at Sam Jackson. One of the highest paid actors in America. He actually was the highest like 2 or 3 years ago(I forget what year). I don't know about now. But I'm guessing he still is. He is one of the greatest male actors out there. The point is. Sam is in like every other movie out there, even though he's incredibly rich. He could sit back and enjoy the profit. But he doesn't. He busts his ass still, everyday and for that his status is well deserved. Unlike Julia, who as you said is also a big name "A" list star. But what has she done recently to deserve such a title. I can't even remember the last time I heard her name mentioned. Imean just go to Imdb and look at the massive difference in their movie credits. And think. How many Julia Roberts movies have you heard people talk about or regard as great films? what like 2 or 3?! Now Sam Jackson. Like 15 or 20+. I mean lets be real. How many bad movies has he been in? Not many. Which goes to show that some people can actually work hard to gain and keep their status. While others can gain it off of 1 or 2 great performances and then continue leech off of their unwarranted title.
This maybe a bit off topic but do you all think there are any female performers who have enter the business as a contract girls capable of doing really great gonzo level performances? If so which ones, and do you all think the reason why they aren’t is because they are working for companies and directors who either don’t know or want to shoot or produced movies that have really great gonzo level sex scenes in them?
That's a good point of view to some extent. Though other then Jenna and some of the Digital Playground girls, not many girls have ended up in anything huge as far as mainstream goes. Sure a few music videos, magazine ads or a t.v show appearance. But none of them have appeared in any blockbuster movies, or even decent silver screen movies. I mean Jenna was in a couple of movies but nothing worth mentioning(other then Private Parts). Now if I went to the movie theatre and saw a trailer that had Jenna Jameson in a movie with like Tom Cruise, Brad Pitt and Kate Beckinsale. Then Ok. Or even Teagan Presley in say for instance "Pulp Fiction 2" with Angelina Jolie, Samuel L. Jackson, and John Travolta. In a leading role. Not just a cameo or walk by. Now if I saw this then what you said would be a little more solid. Hell I would love to see this start happening. But as good as some porn publicists, managers, agents, and representatives are, I don't think they are that good. Maybe in time the line will get thinner and become easier to cross for some porn starlets.
But I do agree a little with that. It does have a little to do with marketing and good representation.
The kinds of Jenna Jamesson is definitely overrated imo, they are stars because they have typically american beauty and knows how to poledance while sitting on a guys dick.
A lot of the names mentioned I find overrated, some pull of almost identical scenes over and over, perhaps very fine performances but I like to see a girl performing diffirently with diffirent male performers depending on if she likes him or not. Some seem to have too much integrity to relax.
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Ma Meeshka and SpongeBub x 5. Overrated. To me, the bigger the name, the more ZZZZZZzzzzzz the scene. I'd much rather watch Katin, Kacey, Hillary Scott, etc., than Jenna and Tera. Same goes if I walked into a bar and could take one of them home.
And Belladonna's appeal escapes me, as well. But that's what makes the world go 'round. To each his own.
By the way, on the ad at the top of this page, which has a red background w black/white lettering, who's the hot chick? All I can see is her face, w her hand in her hair. Ad says "Low prices, quality service".....
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Posted - Feb 13 2007 : 6:49PM
All this hostility directed towards JJ and Tera P is misplaced. In terms of showing others what one can accomplish, JJ and TP made it whole other ballgame.
Savanna, Stormy, Jesse etc...have picked up the ball and are running with it!
Should they decide to stick with it, I'm looking forward to seeing what: the Electra Blues', the Taryn Thomas' and the Eva Angelinas' are going to come up with.
Its not really a "hostility" I am just using them as an example, because they are the 2 biggest names in porn. I could name a ton of girls that I think are way overrated. Do I like some of them? Yeah. Do I think they put out good scenes every now and again? Sure. But do I think that all of their "current" popularity and stardom is still warranted? No. Do I think other girls who aren't as big a name but perform better and give more effort and therefore deserve a higher status, and more recognition? Yes.
I used to think this was unique to porn (I once made a jokey remark that Baudrillard must be a porn fan) but now I think it is a universal rule that the less you do of what you do the more famous/respected you become for (not) doing it. Is there a more famous writer in America today than JD Salinger? Is there a mainstream American movie director held more in awe than Terrence Mallick? In music Syd Barrett, Scott Walker, Peter Green, Kate Bush (to name but a few) became more respected the longer they maintained their silences. Porn is just like everything else.
Good points. If the material released is cleverly chosen, a small snippet at a good moment can leave a very big mark. A strange phenomenon. Furthermore, it helps give the creator an air of distinction...Someone whose every intervention is eagerly awaited, not someone desperate for attention. I prefer actors who release many movies though...theres more to choose from
Back on topis: it is truly surprising to see Jenna still up there. She tried to cross to mainstream but failed, and now she just hoovers above the media radar. Creating PR events to keep up the interest. She is more a paris hilton type nowadays, than a porn star.
Given the very hot girls coming out at the moment, and the stuff they do, I don't there are many who watch Jenna's movies. No offense, they were great for their time.
I think you put everything in its proper perspective. I sometimes think some gonzo fans think nothing else exists besides their gonzo films. If girls like Jenna and Co. seems less exciting, it's probably because they're generally playing to a different audience. The average Jenna fan (read female, married, and most definitely male) probably doesn't want to see her getting double-dicked anally or vaginally, slapped, choked, cream-pied, or something they may consider degrading. Not everyone finds that stuff hot or exciting. Straight fucking probably works just fine for most of the them, and maybe even most porn fans. Certainly Cable TV can't show much of that stuff (gonzo) anyway. Best believe that Cable TV plays a big part in the overall success and image of the contract companies.
To me, they either bring-it, or they don't. I see no real difference to be honest. In the end, it's all about sex. I may not like a Jenna type performer, but who am I to say the seeming millions that do, are wrong? I also don't put all gonzo performers into one box, nor do I think all contract players are the same. Not only do I think Savanna Samson is extremely beautiful and sexy, I also think she's a great performer and will watch her in anything I can get my hands on. Nor do I believe throwing someone in a gonzo film automatically makes them a great performer or the hottest thing on earth. There are plenty of lousy gonzo/all-sex performers out there whose appeal I simply don't get too.
That's not necessarily true. At least for me. I watch a few features as well. There are some good ones out there. But the truth of the matter is with the lack of a big budget(compared to mainstream movies), amazing production companies, a good script, and a good story most features don't really turn out that great. Also factor in that most of these girls cannot act very well. Not saying all. But most. And lets be honest. Jenna hasn't straight fucked a guy on camera in how many years? She has been doing g/g only and cameos for a long while now. So how is it that she is still as famous as before when she was actually heating up the screen. And as far as cable tv playing a role. I would say its a very, very small one. Its not lke we see a Jenna's Provacateur ad during a commercial break. So its not that big.I sure as hell see a difference. I would rather have a girl seem like she was into it and having fun, then a girl who looks like she just wants to get a pay check. Sure it may all be sex, but that doesn't mean it can't be different.
And as far as grouping gonzo performers into a box and seeing all contract stars as the same, I feel I should set the record straight at least on my behalf. I used most of the names I mentioned so far mainly because they are the most talked about. I mean there are some Gonzo girls that suck at this job, but get praised all the time. There are some Contract girls that suck but get drooled over constantly. Just as there are both Contract and Gonzo girls that are amazing performers in this business. My point is, why can't these awesome Gonzo/Contract girls be just as big as the Mega Star Gonzo/Contract girls who haven't done anything recently to warrant such a title. The past is the past. This is the present. And this is what I am basing my opinion off of.
good point. and some girls are very aware of that. When Courtney Cummz signed up her focus was not to be "the next jenna" "the next crossover star" but to show everybody much game she has as a performer and a director, she wants the fans to know what she does, where she's at, etc. but always representing hardcore gonzo.Babe, come on now. every generation is going to have it's superficial pop bubble gum superstars that sells truck loads. before there was *NSYNC, there were New Kids, Before that Bay City Rollers, before that the Monkees.
Don't get too swept up into the romanticism of the past, the "machine" was in full swing back then, too.
dood, you're talking about arguably the best band of all fucking time. no one is as important or relevant. except the king. werd.bullshit. I’m saying people can get their shit together. I’m saying it is possible. I don't want to name names, but their are plenty of hot, amazing, fucking electrifying performers, that are not regozined for their abilities...why?
Because no one will know how great you are unless someone tells them.
YES. By all means, yes. Why would a (non-contract) performer NOT have absolute control over their career? It's your life, your career, you make the choice.
And there are some very capable people who do PR, but the fact is you gotta do your homework, and figure out, as a performer, who works best for you.
and I applaud you for it, but
#1. you are a very exceptional case, would you not agree?
#2. Some girls simply do not have the time. Courtney Cummz or Stormy are constantly doing things, constantly busy, why not allow themselves the opportunity to have someone write their press releases, get their pictures out, set up their interviews, etc. it's just less pressure for them to deal with, not only that they might not have the contacts that a publicist already has.
Maybe so, but that is assuming that said someone doesn't want to do it.
which is why I am selective as hell now, If a girl doesn’t have her head in the game, I’m not dealing with it. And I’ll tell you this if you ever see Courtney, Eva, Nikki, etc at a scheduled appearance. they are going to give their fans 100%
Some of what I'm going to say has been touched on but...
Yeah, I think that someone like Jenna or Tera are over-rated but only if you compare them to non-contract or gonzo performers on a sexual performance level. But that's not what a contract girl is selling. A contract girl has a company behind her selling their "star" having sex (not all but most). The "star" is the most important aspect of the movie. The sex will almost always be "vanilla" because they don't want to turn anyone off with the sex acts. They'll mostly play it safe. People watch those movies to see Jenna or Tera or whoever having sex.
With the non-contract performer they do films for a company that is mainly interested in selling a certain type of sexual act or kink, not the performer so much. A non-contract girl will never have the same sort of exposure because the companies she does her movies for will never spend the time and effort promoting her like companies with contract girls do. They mostly promote the company or their line of movies.
I think someone like Belladonna is a "star" because she's a incredible sexual performer. People watch her stuff because of her sex acts (mostly). Jesse Jane is a "star" because she has a certain look and people want to see that (heavily promoted) pretty girl have (safe straight forward)sex.
Whenever most girls cross over from contract girl to non-contract girl they change as performers. I don't think someone like Lannie Barbie is doing the same type of secnes now as a contract girl she did as before she became one. I think I'd much rather her as she was before the contract stuff. And there are there are ex-contract girls who bore me when they were under contract but excite me as free agents.
So I guess it's possible that if Jesse or Tera had to make it as gonzo or non-contract players their game might change considerably. If for no other reason other than to keep up with their competition. If they were forced to compete in the same arena as Sasha Grey they'd have to step it up quite a few notches and perhaps they would rise to the occassion. Maybe.
There's also that simple equation: the more popular someone is with the widest possible audience -- like, say, Jenna or Jesse -- the less obsessive that audience is. If a viewer buys a Digital Playground feature to watch with a girlfriend, that may be their one adult purchase the whole year. Ergo, they know who the stars of the movie are, and maybe that's it. If someone is a mad gonzo masturbation fiend, maybe he has every single nasty-ass Bree Olson title and can't jerk off fast enough to them in marathon viewings during which he pisses in a jar because he can't bear to stop for a second. Bree Olson is hugely underrated for this dude, but probably the nice married couple tenderly making love after watching Jesse Jane and a lot of CGI effects, has never heard of Bree and never will. For them, Jesse Jane is the current #1 porn star perhaps.
The thing is, and no disrepect intended, there are probably 100 girls "like" Bree Olson shooting scenes today in the Valley that will be on a DVD by the end of March or April. So there's a lot of ripe young flesh for Gonzo Fan X to choose to drool over. More competition. Hence, more girls who are underrated, and while I suspect there are a lot more Gonzo Fans out there renting and watching shitloads of DVDs every week, their impact is probably not the same as those feature-y fans.
I see this is turning into the battle of contract star vs. gonzo star which is wasn't meant to. My thing is. Why isn't a girl like Teagan(who is a contract/feature star) just as Big a name as say Tera(another contract/feature girl)? Teagan who still puts out some great scenes for digital playground vs. Tera who just recently had her b/g comeback(doing different guys on screen other then her husband.)? Yet Tera still has a much higher status then Teagan, even though she hasn't done much recently. Both are contract girls. Both have the same kinda sex(though Teagan offers a bit more in that department in her gonzo releases. So you pretty much get the best of both worlds with her). Both put out limited amounts of movies a year.
Maybe its because people are afraid to change. Its like when a person buys a name brand like Sony(keep in mind these companies/are examples). It may fulfill their expectations so they continue to buy only that brand even though there may be a better brand out there like Samsung. They stick with old faithful. Most people are afraid to try something new. They get into a routine or a "groove" and stay in it, until it either does them wrong or no longer benefits them. Change is everything. Without it, we would not be where we are today.
Well since the topic is around jenna as well, I'll just say she iis so yesterday in a way. Jenna got to fame through porn in a way that's not possible nowadays. She only did a few lesbian scenes and straight scenes. She did one creampie at the beginning of her career.
She came through at a time when anal was viewed as slightly edgy. That's so not the case in today's porn.
In fact, stuff Jenna does would be today more like tabloid celebrity.
She has a few porn movies, befriended some newspaper guys to get news coverage, continuously focuses on PR messages, and so on. Kerkovian, hilton? sound similar. I dont even see her stuff as porn anymore.
And any girl trying to follow her path today would have a very hard time, as straight sex as an area to become a porn superstar is much much more overcrowded to be able to stand out from the crowd! Sasha seems to have noticed this.
And give the times, I dont even consider normal straight sex as porn anymore. Hell, college students do it happily for FREE and allow themselves to be filmed.
And porn is only bound to get dirtier. Even 10 yrs ago DAP's were rare, but here they are established in the industry much earlier than I expected.
Perhaps someday we will see Max Hardcore the same way we see Ed Powers nowadays.
I just think Tera's been around longer, seen more and has the better contacts to get the necessary coverage. I dont think it will still happen once she stops looking good. Also, Teagan needs to be a bit more gonzo, as porn has changed since Tera launched herself. Many things i said about jenna apply to tera as well.
Speaking as a raincoater I can say they're overrated. For me the real pornstars are the girls who go all the way and don't need the hype created by so-called big companies.
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65 Posts 2/07
Posted - Feb 14 2007 : 2:09PM
Is Jenna Jameson Overrated as a performer?? Of course she is. There is nothing in her sex scenes that would remotely make her a star. Except of course her 4-way with Felecia, Kylie Ireland and some guy in "Smells like Sex." Now that was hot. Other than that, not a whole lot worth mentioning. The main problem is that everyone buys into the hype that she is a superstar. For some reason everyone is into the notion that Jenna does something different than anyone else. Wrong! Jenna is no more or less beautiful than anyone else in porn. She just has some hype behind her telling everyone that she is a star, and the average porn consumer buys into it. "I was told she is a superstar so I believe it!" And the big question is, "What does she do that makes her a superstar?" Anal? Nope!, Double Penetration? Nope!, Blowbangs? Nope!, Gangbangs? Nope!, Cumfarts? Nope!, Black Dudes? Nope!, 3 ways with 2 guys? Nope!, Guys other than her then Hubby? Nope! So, based on those type of questions, Jenna is not a superstar and highly overrated. Same with Tera, who even though is incredibly beautiful, too much so to be doing porn (if you can call doing someone small like Spyder Jonez doing porn.)
Based on those type of questions, the true superstars are girls like Kat, Katja Kassan, Tyla Wynn and other porn models who will knock out 100 movies in a year.
And for all of you nay sayers out there, I'm not knocking Jenna's so called business success, I'm talking about the hype that calls her a Super Porno Star. But even her business success is based on the fact that she has/had guys jerking off into her face on camera. Tierney Thomas said it best when she said "We are all having sex for a living so in my eyes were all equal." Take away the camera and these girls are having sex for money. It makes them prostitutes!
I think that the majority of these contracted performers are overrated mainly the Clubjenna Girls who produce no good product...all their movies look the same at least the ones directed by Laurent Sky. And also the Digital Playground girls, they are all gorgeous but I don't know who Jana Cova is nor do I care and they only have 1 great Director on bay. Wicked hasn't been doing too well which begs me to ask where exactly is Stormy selling at??? I'm sorry to say this but me as a fan I've met her several times and everytime she was stuck up and surly. These companies waste money on these girls and when they are around fans they aren't very friendly. Mary Carey, Memphis Monroe,Sasha Grey are also overrated.... The underrated gals are Carmen Luvana, Jessica Drake & Julia Ann (only Wicked Girls worth seeing), Jada Fire, Marie Luv and Hillary Scott!!!
Sydnee Steele, Savanna Samson or None. 275 Posts 12/05
Posted - Feb 15 2007 : 7:30AM
You know you’re watching to much porn when: you think that any beautiful woman who gets buck naked and has sex on camera for your edification can somehow be overrated. Hello, reality check!!
Here’s a belated Valentine’s Day shout out to: Sasha Grey, the JJ’s, Tera P., Stormy, Savanna S. and all the other performers maligned in this thread. Thank you for the: hours, days, months and years of service you’ve given to porn; wishing you much health, happiness and wealth in the future. Peace out!
You're comparing them as performers and that has very little to do with it. Tera or Jenna will always be much bigger stars than most other girls in the biz because they're considered big "stars" by consumers and non-consumers of porn. They could stop having sex and start only doing blow jobs and their status probably wouldn't change.
No matter how you slice it, Jenna, Tera, Jesse and a few other contract girls are the biggest "stars" because of hype and promotion. When compared to the rest of girls in porn they aren't the best performers, they aren't the best actresses and they aren't even the prettiest. For me personally Jenna isn't even in the top 25 of any of those catagories.
Oh don't be so dramatic. No one is being "Maligned" as you put it. We or at least I am just pointing out the obvious. Which is that they are not at the top of their game anymore. I never said they sucked or are horrible. But a few of them aren't what they used to be.
And anyone one can be overrated. Just because they get naked and have sex on screen doesn't mean they are excluded. There are plenty of girls besides them that get naked and have sex on camera. What pornstars do is no different from what real girls and celebrities do in their personal life, except the fact that its their career. To say that they have sex for our edification could be considered a very naive statement. Some may. But most are just looking for the end result which is.......drum roll please......a pay check. Correct. That and to increase their status in the industry. Very few girls genuinely set out will the sole or main purpose of making fans happy.
I don't think they're necessarily doing anything wrong. Non-contract players can tend to come a dime a dozen, whereas contract stars are very few. So the playing field isn't the same and probably never will be. There are probably over a thousands girls in the industry now, with the overwhelming majority being non-contract players. Except for a rare maybe select 100, most will probably only last about 2-3 years at the most. Today's pornstarlets are just more disposable, but since contract players rarely make over 12 films a year, they can't really be over-exposed. So the really hot/popular contract players will rarely ever lose much of their popularity.
I don't think we should ever underestimate the power of a feature film or being featured. Jenna may not be Julia Roberts, but from a practical standpoint, she is the closest thing porn has to Julia. So like a Julia film, a Jenna/contract girl film is a real experience. The average non-contract player may get a 20-30 scene in a 2 1/2 hour film, then their gone and done. Jenna can do a 90 minute feature and practically be in every scene, and at least 2 or 3 sex scenes, if not more. Very few non-contract players get featured in non-feature films, which just puts them at a disadvantage. A Jenna is just a lot easier to find, and a fan wouldn't really have to compromise to see her either, whereas I think they compromise with almost every non-contract performer out there.
I'm not measuring them on getting paid. I'm just saying don't confuse their performances as soley trying to please us. Most are not in it for that. Most fans seem to have the same idea, that they do it for our gratification. Which is probably another reason why they are so popular and sought after.
As far as the second statement. Some of the major girls do deserve their said accolades. Some do not. As far as the "bling" goes. It really has nothing to do with it, as it is their own money used to buy the items. We nor the media have no power over that. It is about why people (fans, and media) hold these stars in such a high reverence. Most of which we have hit on earlier. And the "overlooked" ones are doing nothing wrong. Ok I take that back. Most probably are doing something wrong. But there are a lot that are doing the best they can, with the connections, tools, and assets they have. Not everyone can become an instant JJ or TP. But when they do, I think it is their job to maintain that image and status. Not just get it and keep it for free. "Nothing in life is free."
Introducing Lady LorReign
Posted - Feb 12 2007 : 7:05PM