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| Doomed Odysseus Member 39 Posts 6/07 |  Posted - Aug 20 2007 : 10:39PMI've read a few articles and talked with a few producers and hear the same story, that DVD sales are plummeting and that web content is the new King of Porn (unless you want to consider the impact of Web 2.0). But I read this forum and others and there is a voracious appetite for DVD's over the lower quality web content. Are DVD's becoming a niche market, are sales really dropping so precipitously? Or maybe people in these forums are old dogs who are not up to the new trick, myself included. [Link] |
| Dracula Member Women's necks are too damned sexy for me! 756 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Aug 20 2007 : 11:03PM [Link] |
| rlankford Senior Member 2045 Posts 6/06 | Posted - Aug 20 2007 : 11:08PM [Link] |
| Johnothan Pedak Senior Member Catastrophe 1594 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 12:38AM [Link] |
| HarryWild Member Make me believe 622 Posts 2/05 | Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 1:18AM The computer is the tool for the selection of your media to entertain you. The hard drives will become much bigger in size; in the future you will have a library of 10,000 movies; 250,000 songs and 5 million pictures at your finger to do what every you like. Plus, pay per view sites will let you have access to over 2 million videos to select from by way of the internet. Download will be much faster like 2 to 3 minutes for a 3 hour movie not the slow pace know but you will have to pay for the download. I agree that in the near future the DVD will be obsolete. Everything will be available to everyone at any time. [Link] |
| Knocko Member 533 Posts 5/07 | Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 1:38AM [Link] |
| MikeSouth Deactivated User 511 Posts 11/02 | Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 2:18AM and the newest post is 128 hex 720p at 6Mb/s [Link] |
| dvd4dvd Deactivated User 292 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 2:30AM It will take a while before they are obsolete videos on the other hand are hardly around now a days. [Link] |
| tmd5 Member seika izumi 502 Posts 6/04 | Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 3:20AM Downloadable content will never get bigger than DVD until people can download a movie and burn it to DVD EASILY. In just a few clicks of a mouse. These days you can't even do that without a ton of work and have the quality be very good. Sure, I know they're worried about piracy, but half the DVDs out there don't seem to have copyright protection to begin with. Don't they have a clue that some people just rent and copy them? I've downloaded lots of movies that claim to be DVD quality, but it's nowhere near that. I don't know where they come up with these claims. I think in 5-10 years we'll all have a device hooked up to our TV that will download and play movies with just a few clicks of the remote. Porn that is. They're already doing that now, but it's not as common as it should be. Amazon Unbox is pretty cool with HDMI out to TV! Now all they need is a porn version! Digital cable has instant access porn you can buy and view instantly, but the selection would be soo much better if the offerering was from an internet site. Until download speed are faster, I won't even bother. I have 5m cable and I can only download at 100kb/sec? No thanks. [Link] |
| Doomed Odysseus Member 39 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 5:18AM And we all wait patiently for faster download speeds and higher quality resolution. [Link] |
| Doomed Odysseus Member 39 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 5:19AM "here is an interesting newsweek article about this subject..........hard times for the porn industry?....." Thanks for the article, I suppose next you are going to post a link that refutes the existence of the Easter Bunny? ::smiles:: [Link] |
| Gunzo Senior Member 1377 Posts 2/05 | Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 6:11AM People will still want to relax. and sitting in front of a computer simply isn't relaxing, even if you hook it up to your tv-set, have a cosy arm-chair etc... you'd still fiddle with your computer all the time... [Link] |
| Knocko Member 533 Posts 5/07 | Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 6:47AM [Link] |
| Knocko Member 533 Posts 5/07 | Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 7:00AM there is now a whole generation of people who think the idea of paying for porn is stupid becuz it is so easy to get it for free..... ....i have seen myself the file sharing going on, it is insane....people will upload a performer's entire career filmography onto a free hosting site...they will rip and upload an entire DVD and split up the scenes....they will rip and upload the entire content of a website...it is a mad free for all these days ...and actually i believe there are posters on this very forum who regularly illegally download porn instead of paying for it..... [Link] |
| Everett Senior Member 2088 Posts 6/05 | Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 10:10AM [Link] |
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| Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02 | Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 12:07PM [Link] |
| Jack T. Member New York 57 Posts 7/06 | Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 12:12PM [Link] |
| Arditti Member 529 Posts 5/07 | Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 5:40PM Does the porn industry still set standards in these matters as it did previously with VHS? DVD is not perfect, but I prefer to buy my own DVDs instead of renting them. Copies to rent are generally in bad shape as people don't care. [Link] |
| Myload Senior Member A rose is what you are to me 2069 Posts 6/03 | Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 7:01PM [Link] |
| nateglass Member I must break you 201 Posts 12/05 | Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 8:26PM DVDs won't be obsolete for quite some time, I think a lot of people prefer to watch their porn on a full size TV, not their cell phone, or computer screen, and you can't download full screen DVD quality stuff (at least not enough of it), the bandwidth is just too limited right now. Plus the "guy" who prefers watching porn on a tiny screen isn't a "regular" customer anyway, and it's the "regular" customers who drive the business. What's the saying...20% of your customers make up 80% of your business. With the internet you've taken guys who probably weren't paying for porn before and now they certainly aren't paying for it when they can get it free from torrent sites so easily. But the real regular customers are still buying, and I don't know that "sales" are down, just that the margain is razor thin now, much like it is in a lot of other industries, just the porn industry for so long didn't experience that. When your margain is so thin you have to make it up in volume, and no one can say the volume in this industry has gone down. You aren't moving as many pieces out the door as you once were but you've up'd the release schedule AND there's 200 companies moving units now as opposed to 25, so I'd say the porn industry as a whole is selling more movies now than ever before. People want to see the glass half-empty but man, the product is better now than ever, the fan/star interaction is better than ever, the acceptance is better than ever. If there's any negatives to see it's that the average working man is underpaid and overworked and has less to spend on porn, the religious right is all up in your business and yeah there are some porn companies that wouldn't be missed if they went outta business because of the way they flood the market with cheap crap. [Link] |
| Doomed Odysseus Member 39 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 11:59PM "You aren't moving as many pieces out the door as you once were but you've up'd the release schedule AND there's 200 companies moving units now as opposed to 25, so I'd say the porn industry as a whole is selling more movies now than ever before." Ah, so its the individual companies bemoaning a drop, not the industry as a whole. [Link] |
| Doomed Odysseus Member 39 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Aug 22 2007 : 12:00AM "what are u talking about? are u trying to be snide?....it is not obvious to everybody that the porn industry is declining.....there are posters on this very forum who dont believe that DVD sales are really so low.....this newsweek article lays it out and it is a reputable news source...." Agreed, mine was a poor attempt at humor. [Link] |
| project getsome Member 22 Posts 7/07 | Posted - Aug 22 2007 : 12:19AM Then remember when they started having the preview booths where you could watch a movie for a selected amount of time, or watch the porn shops own selection of 20-50 movies? Im sure you also remember that ticking timeclock wishing they'd hurry up and get to the good parts, and how nasty those rooms were, and how funny they smelled, and having to wear a trenchcoat in case Ms. Anderson your next door neighbor might recognize you since the porn shop just so happened to be right across the street from her workplace. This eliminates all of that. You pay less to watch an open selection of pretty much any movie your interested in. Even after 5 minutes if you dont like it you can turn it off and select another movie. Also save those extra minutes for another day. Its also discreet. In case you like watching a girl drink cum from a bowling ball, thats your business. Your girlfriend doesn't have to find the evidence in a DVD or video tape and then worry about what type of sicko you "really" are. If there is a movie I really like I will buy it rather than continuing to rent it digitally over and over. Otherwise there is no need since many sites have a 2000kbs WMA stream. [Link] |
| The Porn Doctor Member 218 Posts 7/07 | Posted - Aug 22 2007 : 6:32AM [Link] |
| Gunzo Senior Member 1377 Posts 2/05 | Posted - Aug 22 2007 : 6:52AM And I also want to be able to go back and watch older movies, which may not be possible with streaming, and if downloading is possible, I would probably never have enough HDD space... and I wouldn't want to burn my own HD-DVD or blue ray discs because of the inferior quality on mass-marketed discs and replicators. [Link] |
| brewski Deactivated User 208 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Aug 22 2007 : 7:21AM A conservative estimate might be 100 million. And 1500 DVD units is considered a good seller? Why bother? [Link] |
| nateglass Member I must break you 201 Posts 12/05 | Posted - Aug 22 2007 : 10:22AM Now you want to talk PROFIT, that's a different thing altogether. The profit is as thin as it's ever been, but that's not really a bad thing. Hell it's our goal as consumers to make our price lower so we can consume more. Everything goes down in markup as time goes on. The trick for the manufacturer is to keep profitable as the markup lowers. Edited by - hardware on 8/22/2007 1:32:02 PM [Link] |
| nateglass Member I must break you 201 Posts 12/05 | Posted - Aug 22 2007 : 10:29AM Edited by - hardware on 8/22/2007 1:32:36 PM [Link] |
| BIGmike B-I-G-m-i-k-e 2335 Posts 3/01 | Posted - Aug 22 2007 : 10:39AM But when I do find the stuff I like on the web, I'll usually check it out, download, and make my own DVDs after some video edits to cut the bullshit that slows the action down. DVDs take up space, and most times the DVDs only have a scene or two I want, so I do my thing and keep the scenes I want and make my own comp discs. Either way, there's too much porn, most of it generic or boring, or downright crap. Until some specific areas in the market are stocked with stuff I like, I don't, and won't be buying any porn anytime soon. So "new" porn on DVD is dead to me. "When they're runnin' down my country, man, they're walkin' on the fightin' side of me." [Link] |
| Archibald Deactivated User Searching For A Gentleman From Arizona 57 Posts 8/06 | Posted - Aug 22 2007 : 11:58AM VOD will dominate porn in just a few years. For the average guy it's just too easy not to go a VOD site, login, watch, wank and log off. No disc that can be discovered by a wife or girlfriend will save many a man countless fights and headaches. I have to also assume that it's significantly less expensive for the porn companies as well. [Link] |
| Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02 | Posted - Aug 22 2007 : 12:14PM [Link] |
HeyNow  Oblivious Gold Star Hey! 5965 Posts 1/03 | Posted - Aug 23 2007 : 2:32AM But I don't collect and at some point the living room TV and the computer / internets will be pretty much the same thing for the average person. But in the end, it's just the medium that brings porn into my eyes. I'd much much rather chat about who will be the first newbie porno queen (i.e. the next hot porn chick) with a birth date in 1990. We are just months away from finding out! Yee-ha? [Link] |
| caroline-NL Member 543 Posts 3/07 | Posted - Aug 23 2007 : 5:58AM I like to enter a shop, talk with the "chief" and other customers. Browse through the covers. Its just too anonymous, to download something. I want to hold a movie in my hand. And I collect originals, I wouldnt pay for a "legal" copy without a real cover. I think BLUE RAY DVD will win the next format war. And there is a wave of nostalgia also, old formats will come back, at least in the collectors market, like beta,v2000 and super8. Because some old porn movies will never be re-released on DVD. [Link] |
| Rogue Member 105 Posts 4/05 | Posted - Aug 24 2007 : 5:24AM Streaming content/downloads to TV and computer will be the main method of distribution but it's not like discs will disappear. What are we going to see probably is the ability to choose and buy content for direct streaming and/or downloading to TV. Say you want to see your favourite girl of the time getting plugged in the ass, few clicks on the remote and it is done. If you don't like the scene, you move quickly to another, no need to order new DVDs. All companies will offer their content this way, so the competition will be much more better than it is today, also the prices will go down. It will be like iTunes for porn. Not everyone in the world will have the convenience to stream stuff, so discs in the format de jour will of course exist for them, but those won't be the main source of cash for the companies. [Link] |
| mindee Member If you don't break the rules, you'll never have any fun! 717 Posts 10/06 | Posted - Aug 24 2007 : 6:35AM [Link] |
| nateglass Member I must break you 201 Posts 12/05 | Posted - Aug 24 2007 : 10:06AM [Link] |
| coachcam Member 218 Posts 1/07 | Posted - Aug 24 2007 : 7:03PM but many wives will see the credit card statement. The electronic trail isn't that hard to trace. With a DVD, you can pause, slow motion and replay. If you're doing VOD and paying by the minute, do you still have that option? I still haven't found a chair for my computer, that's as comfortable as my chair in my den. Plus if you use a laptop and are enjoying the movie, your laptop won't be resting flat in your lap, due your "joystick", if you know what I mean. coachcam [Link] |
| Dither Persona non grata I love America 650 Posts 8/05 | Posted - Aug 24 2007 : 8:38PM SACD and DVDA failed. They were better quality than CD, but CD was "good enough" except for a small niché market of audiophiles. The vast majority equates "music disc" with "CD" and will continue to do so as long as the music disc exists. There won't be another, people will call their music discs "CD"s as long as they have them. Same for video. Except for a niché market of videophiles, DVD is "good enough". The vast majority equates "video disc" with "DVD" and I think the vast majority will continue to call their video discs "DVD"s as long as they have them. I don't think there will be another, video discs will to people be DVDs forever. The PS3 may help getting hardware out, but I still think the new disc-formats will fail. I think Apple's iTV is a sign of the future, TVs will soon be connected to the internet on their own, you won't need a dedicated computer beyond the TV and the remote. And the next generation of kids, who grow up on the internet, I think will have a very different consumption pattern. They will require for everything to be on-line and updated from hour to hour. The future is on-line. Time will tell who of us will attain status as the new Nostradamus. [Link] |
| Gunzo Senior Member 1377 Posts 2/05 | Posted - Aug 25 2007 : 3:40AM So it may very well be that HVD or similar will become the next standard. Because as you say, DVD is good enough for most people, most people aren't anal about technology. Including me. I know HD looks better... but I won't jerk off any harder to it... The kids get everything online, but many of them obsess over DVD-boxes with their favorite tv-series and such, and in that case they will want the best quality possible. Collector items. There will still be money to be spent. And I don't believe convenience is everything to people. [Link] |
| Roger Rabbit Member 49 Posts 7/07 | Posted - Aug 25 2007 : 4:10AM The smart porn producer should be preparing to drop DVD and get into downloads. There ought to be a way to charge a buck or so for the download and another small fee to play the video anytime with the next 48 hours. If the video is really good you make more money on the replays. If not, the viewer doesn't spend an outrageous amount for so-so porn. [Link] |
| mindee Member If you don't break the rules, you'll never have any fun! 717 Posts 10/06 | Posted - Aug 25 2007 : 7:05AM mod: removed extraneous quote - see the Forum Etiquette Edited by - hardware on 8/27/2007 1:23:06 PM [Link] |
| Gunzo Senior Member 1377 Posts 2/05 | Posted - Aug 25 2007 : 10:08AM * Consumers like me would be lost - I rather search for used DVDs than pay for downloads. The reason why I buy DVDs is that I hate online porn. I rather give up porn than sign up. * Piracy will be even more of a problem, no one buys the stuff, no one even rents the DVD to rip it, someone just cracks the site, rip it and share it. And few people are willing to defend porn in court. Hollywood can sue the shit out of people, but not The Valley. * Porn will drop in quality, lest not forget, the best stuff is released on DVD (in general) while there's a lot of shit on the internet that may end up on some even shittier comp. The DVD-companies will have to lower their budgets in order to compete. [Link] |
| Roger Rabbit Member 49 Posts 7/07 | Posted - Aug 25 2007 : 2:15PM 2. Gunzo, you don't have to drive to the rental stores, which are going out of business anyway. Besides, looking for porn online is as easy as reading this list---which, BTW, is excellent. 3. Privacy is already a problem. Some software companies are registering their product to one computer-only now. And they are having the computer call in as part of the boot process. 4. Quality porn will get viewer recommendations which is a lot better than reading 6 point type on the back of the box. Porn producers are gonna have to change. Just like the music industry needs to change. [Link] |
| mindee Member If you don't break the rules, you'll never have any fun! 717 Posts 10/06 | Posted - Aug 25 2007 : 8:15PM [Link] |
| inetguy Deactivated User 8 Posts 8/07 | Posted - Aug 25 2007 : 9:12PM [Link] |
| Gunzo Senior Member 1377 Posts 2/05 | Posted - Aug 26 2007 : 2:14PM And a file on a computer is WORTHLESS, an original DVD is a collectible. [Link] |
| nolyn Member 29 Posts 12/04 | Posted - Aug 26 2007 : 7:13PM [Link] |
| Roger Rabbit Member 49 Posts 7/07 | Posted - Aug 26 2007 : 9:07PM You might as well say a meal at a 4-star French restaurant* is WORTHLESS, an original box of Cheeros is a collectible. Point being a DVD might last as long as that box of Cheeros. Actually my basic point is that porn producers are going to have to change to survive and prosper. Just like the music business and the newspaper business. The world of sneaking through a curtain to the back room of a video store is coming to a close. Yes, online rentals will do for a while longer. But I suspect most producers are sensing which way the wind is blowing. One more point since I am blowing steam: wouldn't you think the female audience for porn would increase with online rentals and much more so with downloads? Any ideas about the percentage of female to male purchasers of porn? The same as Mac to PC owners, perhaps? *(there is still such a thing, isn't there?) [Link] |
| Hypermastia Deactivated User These R The Buttocks Of Ryan Star: No Butt Can Compare 248 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Aug 26 2007 : 9:41PM Competition Between Blockbuster, Netflicks, Hollywood Video, etc. is so cutthroat that they're offering bargain bins filled with brand new, sealed, A-List Titles at $6.00 a disc. Recent Release like Apocolypto, Blood Diamonds, The Departed are being sold "Previously Viewed" at $8.00 or less! Just when the novelty of DVD seems to be wearing off, now the HD Titles are just hitting shelves. [Link] |
| Doomed Odysseus Member 39 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Aug 26 2007 : 10:23PM And in regard to HD, other than specialized cameras, are there any licencing arrangments necessary for broadcasting? [Link] |
| Gunzo Senior Member 1377 Posts 2/05 | Posted - Aug 28 2007 : 10:00AM Anywho, the internet don't have to worry, it will never lose it's porn. [Link] |
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