The decline of European gonzo

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007 Senior Member 1246 Posts 4/03	Posted - Mar 2 2009 : 4:03PM Is it just me or has there been a serious decline in the quality and sheer output of European gonzo over the last few years? I remember the days when there were dozens and dozens of Euro gonzo 'stars' from Hungary and the Czech Republic, primarily. Now the few that remain mostly show up every once and awhile in an Evil Angel movie or on a website. Seems like 2003-2005 (give or take a year) was a great period. You had American actors and directors (especially with Red Light District, Platinum X etc) routinely going over to Budapest and Prague for extended periods and shooting loads of scenes. This was in addition to the quality stuff being released by European directors like Christophe Clark, Rocco and Jean-Yves LeCastel. What happened? Rocco and Clark are still around, but you rarely see eastern European girls in US gonzo movies these days. Not only that, there has been a decline in Euro gonzo internet content like Asstraffic.com, Prime Cups, Allinternal etc. What's left is lower quality productions coming out of Russia from Sineplex (which isn't even releasing DVDs), Devils Film etc... The best stuff that remains is gonzo from Evil Angel and web content like Assholefever, ClubSandy... Is this a result of a decline in porn generally, or something else? Edited by - 007 on Mar 2 2009 [Link]
Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02	Posted - Mar 2 2009 : 4:17PM I miss seeing some of my favorite euro girls, girls like Sandra Romain, Julie Silver and Stacy Silver for example. All retired to my knowledge. [Link]
ettin Deactivated User 14 Posts 3/09	Posted - Mar 2 2009 : 4:30PM Watch the documentary 9to5: days in porn. They cover a czech producer who got his funding pulled because the moralists in power decided they didnt want porn in their country. Same shit thats going on here, give it enough time and the religious right will take away your right to produce and watch it. [Link]
xxaru Member 128 Posts 6/07	Posted - Mar 2 2009 : 8:02PM Ramsey wrote: I miss seeing some of my favorite euro girls, girls like Sandra Romain, Julie Silver and Stacy Silver for example. All retired to my knowledge. Click to expand Yeah, some of the greats have sadly gone into retirement. But that means it's time to discover the new young prospects that will take up the reigns and become the next stars. [Link]
Algaliarept Senior Member 3557 Posts 7/08	Posted - Mar 2 2009 : 11:21PM Luckily the worldwide economy has gone into the proverbial crapper, and I read on Drudgereport today that in Ukraine people are having a hard time being able to withdraw cash from a bank even. Cash strapped hot women = new porn starlets and more grist for the mill [Link]

Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02	Posted - Mar 3 2009 : 12:54PM Shit I forgot to mention Sandy Style as my favorite euro-girl. One of the greatest euro butt ever! [Link]
Dan Senior Member 2056 Posts 6/07	Posted - Mar 3 2009 : 1:57PM Algaliarept wrote: Luckily the worldwide economy has gone into the proverbial crapper, and I read on Drudgereport today that in Ukraine people are having a hard time being able to withdraw cash from a bank even. Cash strapped hot women = new porn starlets and more grist for the mill Click to expand The problem is that most consumers of porn are also cash-strapped. And they are not in a good position to spend more money on a lot of new porn movies. But one good way to get around this problem is to make porn movies now, while the hot women make themselves available for gang-bangs and such. And then market and sell these porn movies later, when the economy recovers and the consumers have more money to spend on porn. Making porn movies doesn't need to be that expensive. Good quality digital cameras are quite cheap. And the hot women probably won't demand tens of thousands of dollars either due to their competition between themselves. Anybody in the porn industry who has some money to invest for the long-term can make some pretty hot no-holes-barred porn movies now with attractive women who probably won't be available later once the economy recovers. And later, he can sell these movies for a good profit. It's best to make porn movies when the hot ladies make themselves available and are willing to perform. Because such ladies won't be available forever. And later, when the economy recovers, these movies will blow away the competition due to the attractiveness of the ladies in them and the ladies' willingness to perform wild, no-holes-barred sex with the horny guys. [Link]
Dubious_Leftovers Senior Member And on that fateful day, the hatred consumed me... 1423 Posts 3/09	Posted - Mar 3 2009 : 7:43PM I genuinely think the great talent now lies in Lea Lexis. If ever there could be a true successor to Sandra Romain, I believe she is it. [Link]
rashidnz Senior Member Eve Angel 4652 Posts 12/03	Posted - Mar 3 2009 : 10:42PM Hello, Yeah Lea Lexus is Hot I have seen her do some hardcore anal scenes,but her squeaky giggly little girl voice is a total turn off as long as she has her mouthful sucking cock its ok,but when she speaks total wood loss [Link]
ChodeMasterJ Perpetual Marxist 5405 Posts 4/03	Posted - Mar 3 2009 : 11:56PM Lea is great. she just needs to come up with a concrete spelling of her name. i've seen it spelled a million diff ways and that's pretty annoying. [Link]
johnshaft820 Member 271 Posts 1/05	Posted - Mar 5 2009 : 8:36AM I always assumed that the decline in East European porn production had to do with Hungary and Czech Republic joining the EU in 2004 and achieving a GDP close to the EU average. The production costs probably made it less profitable for American producers to take extended trips to Budapest/Prague as they had in the late 1990s/early 2000s. At the same time, young women would now have more opportunities for a career outside of porn, so the stars who retired were being replaced by fewer new girls. This I'm less certain of, but the globalization of porn distribution could be another factor in the shrinking East European talent pool. In 1998, say, a girl from Budapest could be a big pornstar in the U.S. and Western Europe without everyone back home knowing about it. There probably wasn't any distribution of these movies in Hungary/Czech, and porn girls weren't Internet stars like they are today. Nowadays it must by nearly impossible to conceal a career in porn. The result is that porn production moves further east, to Ukraine or Russia, but only a few companies have been willing to take that step. This is understandable given the risks of doing business in those countries. [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - May 11 2009 : 6:40AM Dubious_Leftovers wrote: I genuinely think the great talent now lies in Lea Lexis. If ever there could be a true successor to Sandra Romain, I believe she is it. Click to expand I can't stand this mentality. I don't disagree with you about whether or not she's hot. I just think heaping all the praise on a few girls significantly contributes to locking other worthy contenders out of the big leagues. There are always other women who are just as hot. [Link]
Dubious_Leftovers Senior Member And on that fateful day, the hatred consumed me... 1423 Posts 3/09	Posted - May 11 2009 : 9:05AM ^Huh???!! What "mentality"?! Yes, there are hot girls... few superstars. Are we not allowed to have favourites now? She is currently my favourite star in European porn. Yes, there are of course other great-looking girls, but she is a stand-out. Her insatiability, demeanour and sexuality to me, are unequivocal at the moment. That is all. It's not a matter of heaping all the praise on one or two individuals, it's about reacting to what is presented in front of you. You are entitled to like and react in any way you want. This is a porn forum, you want to name-drop someone you like to get them (how you see it) into the "big leagues", feel free to. No one's stopping you. I was simply making a transitory point, to what was was on my mind at the time. Why did this simple point need such in-depth justification? Edited by - Dubious_Leftovers on 5/11/2009 9:15:44 AM [Link]
jackthetreacleeater Senior Member Shame on you! 2003 Posts 10/06	Posted - May 11 2009 : 11:04AM Dubious_Leftovers wrote: I genuinely think the great talent now lies in Lea Lexis. If ever there could be a true successor to Sandra Romain, I believe she is it. Click to expand I presume she does DP and DAP if you believe she can rival Miss Romain. Nothing says romance like anal sex. [Link]
Dubious_Leftovers Senior Member And on that fateful day, the hatred consumed me... 1423 Posts 3/09	Posted - May 11 2009 : 12:12PM ^Does she do DP? Yes, very much so... DAP? Offhand, I'm not sure - I don't recall that in the scenes I've seen. But that act's not a big deal to me anyway. In comparing her to Sandra Romain, it's more the vibe than anything - the special spark that Sandra had, the real reason that made her popular (not just her willingness to do acts such DAP) - I see similar traits in Lea Lexis... You know when you somehow, just get reminded of someone? It's hard to quantify, it's something I'd think you'd "get" if you saw her perform. If they'd have ever have appeared with each other in the same scene... Would've been x-rated dynamite. [Link]

The DMan Senior Member 1844 Posts 6/07	Posted - May 11 2009 : 2:15PM ^^^ +1 [Link]
Joey Starr Senior Member Still wanking after all these years. 8082 Posts 10/00	Posted - May 11 2009 : 2:35PM 007 wrote: Is this a result of a decline in porn generally, or something else? Click to expand Maybe ignoring the European studios? But production is slightly down generally, I agree. [Link]
xayhoundb Senior Member 2721 Posts 11/08	Posted - May 12 2009 : 4:47PM 007 wrote: Is it just me or has there been a serious decline in the quality and sheer output of European gonzo over the last few years? What happened? Rocco and Clark are still around, but you rarely see eastern European girls in US gonzo movies these days. Not only that, there has been a decline in Euro gonzo internet content like Asstraffic.com, Prime Cups, Allinternal etc. Edited by - 007 on Mar 2 2009 Click to expand IMO, the PerfectGonzo sites (Asstraffic, Allinternal etc.) are getting better (I was never a big fan of the really rough stuff). I think the stuff is maybe getting "softer" in general, and this isn't just PerfectGonzo. I've noticed there are more, and more girls coming over here and doing way softer scenes. [Link]
JimmyR Member 36 Posts 2/08	Posted - May 12 2009 : 5:27PM could be down to lack of dvd sales and the internet being swamped with porn. I don't make a point of looking for new releases much anymore. Generally have enough porn to last me 10 lifetimes on dvd let alone the amount you can see on the net. Just doesn't interest me anymore to look for new talent. Its always the same end product after all. I'm not saying everyone is like me, its just my own personal take on it. [Link]
budtugley Senior Member One man's trash can be the next man's treasure. 1187 Posts 1/04	Posted - May 13 2009 : 3:43PM In fact, the DVD portion of porn is way down. The better content these days is found on Internet websites. Join for $20/month, they give access to other websites as well, and there you have it. As an example, there is an American company in Miami, they call themselves Captain Stabbin', and it's almost 100% anal, and the ladies are Floridians or other eastern gals you don't see much of in Porn Valley productions. You get fresh-faces, nasty porn, and they did release one DVD and it wasn't close to their finest fare. Over in Europe, some sites like Ass Traffic release fare on DVD but there's tons more content on their website. Apparently, this is the way it's going to be. [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - May 13 2009 : 5:57PM Dubious_Leftovers wrote: ^Huh???!! What "mentality"?! Yes, there are hot girls... few superstars. Are we not allowed to have favourites now? Click to expand Sure. But declaring one girl is the best in the business will make the European porn market just like the American one if it happens often enough. Take a look and see if that's really what you want. Sandra Romain was great until she was in every other movie. Most of the "superstars" (not all, most) in American porn are no hotter or better at what they do than a bunch of other girls who never get noticed because everybody is drooling over the same ten girls. And sometimes, I'm completely at a loss to explain why a particular girl is so popular. It's not a matter of heaping all the praise on one or two individuals, it's about reacting to what is presented in front of you. Click to expand Here is what you actually said - "I genuinely think the great talent now lies in Lea Lexis. If ever there could be a true successor to Sandra Romain, I believe she is it." That sounds an awful lot like heaping all the praise on one individual. Again, not that you can't. Just pointing out what you said. You are entitled to like and react in any way you want. This is a porn forum, you want to name-drop someone you like to get them (how you see it) into the "big leagues", feel free to. No one's stopping you. Click to expand I didn't say you weren't entitled to react in any way you wanted. I just said that mindset bothers me because I think it elevates a few girls above all the rest and then you have 10 girls who are in just about every movie. I was just expressing my wish that people would be a little more careful with that. We all win when there's more variety and more choices. [Link]
Dubious_Leftovers Senior Member And on that fateful day, the hatred consumed me... 1423 Posts 3/09	Posted - May 13 2009 : 9:42PM ^Okay. I understand the general point, it just took me by surprise that you went to town on an off-the-cuff post I made months ago, and had no memory of making, until I re-read it here. The post in question was a gut reaction to this thread "The Decline of European Gonzo", and yes for whatever reason, it has seemed to have changed; Whether it be the talent turnover, the fact that American companies rarely shoot here anymore (I say "here" for I am in Europe), or whatever... Lea Lexis just came straight into my head as a shining light, with no more thought than that, and in truth, the gut reactions are the strongest and most honest ones people can have. There are many factors that govern how someone becomes popular - be it willingness to work, how well they work with others, differing quality of agents, PR (such as those who post on these boards), fuck-loads of stuff behind the scenes that we don't see, and then the hype bandwagon. All this varies performer-to-performer - We don't see it all. Of course it's possible to get bored watching the same performers all the time, but remember that most people don't watch or aren't as interested in the whole porn world as the people who post on here. Using Sandra Romain as an example - she may have been in something in the region of 400 movies, but most regular, casual viewers might have only seen her in a couple of things, so having her in the cast would still constitute sales to the less jaded viewer. Also, she remained popular throughout her career, and even though she amassed a vast back-catalogue of porn work, there are still those sorry to see her leave (myself included). Her presence was legendary. The scenario you talk about, that hype constitutes a monopoly of top girls completely dominating all releases, tends to be a result of the fact that fans have constant demand for them - hence their omnipresence, and dirth of similar-looking boxcovers featuring the same sets of talent in different poses. Porn companies will only use these girls' talents if they see results. I mentioned it on other threads, that it seems to me that the main companies are under pressure to put out top quality product with name stars to stay in business... It's the same in other media as well, it's the safe option catering to the widest mainstream taste. Therefore, it'll naturally mean that certain girls get pushed to the forefront as a secondary effect, then the universally popular girls will have a better chance of shifting units. These days, someone like Elegant Angel are always going to outsell Devil's Film (who mainly shoot attractive, but unknown talent). But the choice is there if you want it, you just need to look harder. In any form of entertainment, there will always be a mainstream and there'll always be a niche. The onus is on the consumer to seek out what they want, and vote with their feet. [Link]
jackthetreacleeater Senior Member Shame on you! 2003 Posts 10/06	Posted - May 15 2009 : 10:42AM You can't say Sandra Romain did no decent work once she came to America. So much of the work she did in America is of a incredibly high standard. Being in America made her career, even she hadn't of earned so muich money in America she would never have been able to retire as early as she did. You can't say the domination stuff she did with the likes of Belladonna in America is not quality work. Going back to the original topic, I don't think we're going to see the likes of the golden years that we had in the early part of the 21st century again. But what goes around comes around, yes there is a slight decline in out-put and quality but I'm sure the glory years will come around again. Nothing says romance like anal sex. [Link]
johnshaft820 Member 271 Posts 1/05	Posted - May 31 2009 : 3:29PM Following up on the exchange between Dubious and Random on Lea Lexis, I'm not sure that she individually is the future of European porn, but there is something about the current group of Romanian girls that sets them apart. They seem to bring much more heat, nastiness, and enthusiasm to their performances than either the current Hungarian/Czech stars or the Russians. Lea Lexis, Valentina Banks, Donna Bell, Lucy Belle, Regina Ice ... they've all impressed me recently. I wonder if these girls are more like " professionals" than the Russians, who generally seem to be amateurs with only 4 or 5 movies to their credit. I recently joined the Devils Film website, and was really disappointed with their Russian movies. Many of the girls are lovely, but only a few of them seem to have any real talent or experience as performers. Almost none of them can give a decent blowjob. It's like they have no sexual experience at all (which may be the case). The scenes with the Romanian stars are quite good, though. No doubt these girls know what they're doing. [Link]
Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02	Posted - May 31 2009 : 3:38PM Sandra Romain was great until she was in every other movie. Click to expand Can one desire too much of a good thing I ask? I wouldn't mind Sandra Romain being in every movie I buy! [Link]

nairolf New Member 3 Posts 4/09	Posted - Nov 22 2009 : 9:24AM Seems like Perfectgonzo won't update anymore. The last updates on www.indexxxed.com are from august and even back then not all sites were updated regulary. [Link]
cakehammer Member 35 Posts 7/09	Posted - Dec 5 2009 : 6:42PM 007 wrote: Is it just me or has there been a serious decline in the quality and sheer output of European gonzo over the last few years? I remember the days when there were dozens and dozens of Euro gonzo 'stars' from Hungary and the Czech Republic, primarily. Now the few that remain mostly show up every once and awhile in an Evil Angel movie or on a website. Seems like 2003-2005 (give or take a year) was a great period. You had American actors and directors (especially with Red Light District, Platinum X etc) routinely going over to Budapest and Prague for extended periods and shooting loads of scenes. This was in addition to the quality stuff being released by European directors like Christophe Clark, Rocco and Jean-Yves LeCastel. What happened? Rocco and Clark are still around, but you rarely see eastern European girls in US gonzo movies these days. Not only that, there has been a decline in Euro gonzo internet content like Asstraffic.com, Prime Cups, Allinternal etc. What's left is lower quality productions coming out of Russia from Sineplex (which isn't even releasing DVDs), Devils Film etc... The best stuff that remains is gonzo from Evil Angel and web content like Assholefever, ClubSandy... Is this a result of a decline in porn generally, or something else? Edited by - 007 on Mar 2 2009 Click to expand I have to agree. The decline of european gonzo is concomitant with the decline in quantity and quality content from PerfectGonzo (e.g Asstraffic.com), the 21st Sextury people (e.g. Assholefever.com), and Director/Performers such as Jean-Yves LeCastel and Frank Major. It seems the emphasis is shifting away from Czech/Hungary further east to Russia with Sineplex/Devils Films and Evil Angel. There will always be enough good new porn coming out but the combination of quality and quantity definitely seems to have dropped since that golden era around 5-6 years ago. Its hard to think there's not a market for this stuff. I can't think of the reasons behind this trend. [Link]
mrputitbackin Member 51 Posts 12/09	Posted - Jan 2 2010 : 9:37PM The problem with European porn in the U.S. is that it's hard to connect with the girls. The Euro girls often seem to have 5 different names or the same name spelled 5 different ways, which makes it hard to keep track of your favorite Euro stars, not to mention the language barrier between Eastern European porn stars and the American viewer. I used to love European Porn stars Like Laura Black, Nikki Anderson, Sylvia Saint and Cassandra Wild, but I got to admit their persoanlities don't shine like American porn Stars like Dana Dearmond or Belladonna. So yeah the European porn stars do all the extra freaky stuff, but after that due to lack of connection with the viewer we forget them and search for the next Euro girl who does everything. The AMerican Porn stars have more shelf life because you actually like their sex and their personality. [Link]
stickygreenman Deactivated User 36 Posts 12/09	Posted - Jan 20 2010 : 12:39PM Here's a Russian babe, Katya, doing some very risky gonzo-style public nudity in the U.S. [Link]
keny Deactivated User 400 Posts 11/09	Posted - Jan 20 2010 : 1:45PM barbara summers , has an agency in her country , czech rep , she no longer performs , but she has said that many girls want to go to america , but they fear they might have visa problems , law problems concerning their stay ,their work permit , she says the law has become severe !! [Link]
Bert Piel Deactivated User 195 Posts 8/10	Posted - Jan 9 2011 : 9:15AM We need more Euro stuff. Stagnation is setting in. [Link]
JohnW Senior Member 1351 Posts 6/08	Posted - Jan 9 2011 : 11:31AM I'm not worried about European gonzo, I'm more worried about features and porn that has a bit of craftmanship and budget put into it. Europeans have usually been better at this, especially Private, Marc Dorcel etc, but since 2005 it seems the amount produced and the quality has gone down. [Link]
ChodeMasterJ Perpetual Marxist 5405 Posts 4/03	Posted - Jan 9 2011 : 7:21PM ^ Check out Daring Media's stuff. Looks very good, production-wise, and the sex looks good. [Link]
celluloidferox Senior Member @EmperorCorndog 1438 Posts 1/10	Posted - Jan 9 2011 : 10:25PM I think Cristoph is lagging a bit, his newer movies just arent quite as good as the older ones. For example "Big Natural Tits 23" was a dissappointment, aside from the incredible Roxy Taggart anyway (I have an enormous crush on her). Rocco's movies are still excellent, and the Cruel Media stuff is always pretty solid. I haven't seen a decline in euro gonzo any more than american. [Link]
Stalag Deactivated User 476 Posts 1/10	Posted - Jan 26 2011 : 9:52PM They are just going thru the motions. [Link]