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bigfoot
Senior Member


1295 Posts
7/06
Posted - Nov 28 2006 : 3:45PM
It is time I come forward and admit that I simply do not undertsand the art-house porn productions that Michael Ninn has been putting out.

Awards, praise and honors continue to rain on the man responsible for unintelligible features such as the recent Sacred Sin and Catherine . Awards? Why? It is not like this is an intellectual puzzle-movie that scholars will piece together and books will be written about. Scholars do not study porn. They might watch a Seymore Butts flick but not because they are interpretting current trends in adult entertainment (plus their writing hand is usually too busy to write anything down). No one will have a doctoral thesis titled, "Art-House Cineman in Modern Pornography: A Detailed Study of the Works of Michael Ninn."

In his review of 'Catherine', Roger T Pipe says, "Making revolutionary porn is nothing new to Michael Ninn. He has been re-writing the rule book for well over a decade and could probably fill a swimming pool with all of the awards he has collected in that time." Okay, but who wants to watch this stuff? Critics praise his work as high class and award him with a legacy as a revolutionary. Yet, when fans of adult cinema mostly want to see movies like "Pirates" just like most cinematic fans would rather watch "Casablanca" than "Citizen Kane".

I feel like we are living the real-life story of "The Emperor's New Clothes." We, the viewers play the part of the royal valet, too afraid to admit we cannot see the new robes, so we instead say, "Brilliant! A Masterpiece!" Meanwhile, the poor sap (the industry)is walking around naked and the tailor (Michael Ninn) is laughing all the way to the bank with a list of honors and awards.

So I stand firmly on the ground, with all my wits about me, yelling at the top of my lungs - "I CANNOT SEE THE EMPEROR'S NEW CLOTHES!!!!!"

MASAMUNE
Senior Member

1452 Posts
12/04
Posted - Nov 28 2006 : 3:54PM
Eh? I dont see many people praising Ninn. Especially not here. As for the awards, most porn fans are smart enough to know that it's the politics behind them which drives it. Best not to put too much stock in awards or get overly passionate about it.
MASAMUNE
Senior Member

1452 Posts
12/04
Posted - Nov 28 2006 : 4:01PM
By the way, when I first read the thread title I thought you were talking about a new feature movie that was coming out, which definately peaked my interest. The Emperor could be this hot naked babe and crowds of people are gawking at her on the streets. Mmmmmmm....
Hardware All-Star Supporter
All-Star Member

Your other left
14594 Posts
3/02
Posted - Nov 28 2006 : 10:22PM
Like it or not, there certainly appears to be a market for Ninn's stuff. So... unless you've got a gripe about a specific award, I don't see the problem.
bigfoot
Senior Member

1295 Posts
7/06
Posted - Nov 29 2006 : 1:28PM
I thought the same thing when I came up with the title. Of course, I would rather it be the Empresses New Clothes!
 
bigfoot
Senior Member

1295 Posts
7/06
Posted - Nov 29 2006 : 1:32PM
I do not have a gripe with a specific award. I have two gripes - my time and my money. I will no longer give either to a Ninn Worx feature.
Bob All-Star Supporter
All-Star Member

5516 Posts
3/03
Posted - Nov 29 2006 : 3:04PM
Ninn's films have always given me a headache. Too much quick cutting, too many disjointed images, too much jarring music.

Every now and again I'll rent one of his videos to see if anything's changed, but it never has so I never buy anything he directs.

eduardo911
Senior Member

1299 Posts
8/03
Posted - Nov 29 2006 : 6:10PM
You sure? What about this, for example. I've also seen academic articles in which female anthropologists described their participatory observation as 'sex workers'.

FitzGerald, Justine (2002), 'You Wan See Jiggy-Jig?' : Getting Hot under the Collar over Indonesian Pornography. In: Inside Indonesia, ISSN 0814-1185, no, 72 (2002), p. 6-7

In Indonesia pornography, which is dealt with under Articles 281, 282, 532, and 533 of the Criminal Code, is blamed for all social ills. Following up complaints police tend to concentrate on interrogating people who are celebrities but who do not enjoy the all-encompassing protection of KKN, and then let them off lightly. Certainly those responsible for reproduction and distribution are never apprehended. Pornography has certainly spread since the ORBA because it can be much more easily distributed. Internet can now be accessed from any reasonably large Indonesian town with warnet (Internet cafes). The author discusses some of the Internet sites like Cerita-Cerita Seru (Way-Out Stories) She also mentions the work of the mysterious Enny Arrow, who may or may not exist.


Boellstorff, Tom (2004), "Zines and Zones of Desire: Mass-mediated Love, National Romance, and Sexual Citizenship of Gay Indonesia". In: Journal of Asian Studies , ISSN 0021-9118. - vol. 63 (2004), no. 2, pp. 367-402

This article examines how Indonesian gay and lesbian 'zines' - privately circulated, amateur magazines - such as Gaya Hidup Ceria, Jaka, GAYa Nusantara, K-79 (gay), MitraS, GAYa Lestari, and Swara Srikandi (lesbian) contribute to the shaping of homosexual subjectivities under conditions of social marginalization. Based on fieldwork and a textual analysis of the complete corpus (some 7,000 pages) of every gay/lesbian zine ever produced in Indonesia between 1982 and 2001 , it aims to demonstrate the connections between the systems of meaning deployed by the producers and consumers of these zines and Indonesian national discourse. Although clearly derived from Euro-American concepts, Indonesians have developed their own notions of gayness. Gay zines link personal narratives, love and national consciousness in three 'zones of desire'. In the first zone, gay sexuality is portrayed on a continuum between sexual acts and sexual desire (nafsu birahi) to love, with the highest value attached to the latter. The overall dynamic of the narratives is one of discovery followed by separation. The second zone of desire relates gay identity to the Indonesian nation through the choice of language (always Indonesian) often incorporating nationalist terminology and rhetoric, and de-emphasis of local, ethnic, and Euro-American elements.


Edited by - eduardo911 on 11/29/2006 6:30:30 PM

bigfoot
Senior Member

1295 Posts
7/06
Posted - Dec 11 2006 : 7:54PM
I don't even want to know how you found these references stuff

More importantly, why did you actually spend time looking for them

TonyC
Comstock Films

2523 Posts
8/03
Posted - Dec 11 2006 : 7:58PM
Hard fill.



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