It's a shame that you decided to centre your whole argument round a dictionary definition that you didn't really understand; I might have agreed with some of your points if you hadn't framed them so badly.
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| Vodveer Member 72 Posts 7/07 |  Posted - Aug 5 2007 : 10:01PMIf you like porn the way it is today and hate change, or if you are hypersensitive, PLEASE DO NOT READ ON! ............................................................. According to Merriam-Webster's Dictionary, pornography is "the depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement." Few can argue that 70s and 80s porn failed to deliver erotic material (check out some of the reviews on this website). The female performers were all natural, with God-given breasts and unclipped bushes. Things changed in the 90s, however, when trimmed bushes, fake tits, and dye-damaged hair began to proliferate. With the new millennium came more fake tits, tattoos, body piercings, ass-pounding, A2M, gaping assholes, and gaping vaginas (fortunately, however, trimmed pussies became shaved pussies). The direction porn has taken is obvious--eroticism has changed to mutilation, and sexual excitement has turned to sadistic amusement. Thus the demise of the true meaning of porn. When you fantasize about the girl next door, do you picture yourself ramming four fingers up her twat, piston-pounding her half-dollar-sized asshole until it oozes blood? Most likely, however, you picture her legs up in the air with your face or your cock buried between them. Isn't that what viewers should demand from pornographers? If both pornographer and porn aficionado could lift the blanket over their eyes, they would see that the following types of looks and behaviors are not erotic, not cool, and not hip. Tattoos--Especially the big ones, obscure a woman's body, hide her nakedness forever, and are simply distracting. Piercings--Mere distractions. Breast implants--After reading through various forum threads here and beyond, I conclude with certainty that the great majority of people prefer natural breasts. Whether small, medium, or large, natural ones hang gently and buoyantly--pure eye candy. Fake tits are stiff, superficially round, like two balls tightly encased in skin, often with nipples pointing unevenly. Partial clothing on performers--Viewers want to see a woman performer in all her naked glory. Full nudity also allows the viewers to see whatever draws them--tits, ass, feet, elbows, knees, hands, stomach, etc. Shoes--Though they can be sexy, especially on a stripper dancing in a strip club, or during a prefuck tease, they don't belong on a woman while she's fucking. Downright distracting, clumsy, and unnatural. Ass gaping--If you really enjoy looking at an asshole a golf ball can easily fit into, along with pink rectal tissue, then why not get a job working as a gastroenterologist's technician and jack off to colonoscopies every day? Vaginal gaping--Why not become an ob/gyn? A2M--Spare me. Fellatio--Nothing wrong with several minutes of talented cocksucking before the camera, but tragically, most porn depicts close-ups of penises getting sucked for an eternity. Yawwwwn. We might as well watch gay porn instead. Male-performer jackoffs--At the end of each scene they unload in their partners' faces. Would be much more erotic if the female jerked him off or sucked him off to a finish. No, viewers don't enjoy watching men masturbate. Again, that's where gay porn comes in. . . . . . . . How can porn return to the erotic experience? For starters: All nude--Yes. That's what viewers want. Performers who strip first, sometimes POV style, walk around totally naked and tease the viewer before getting fucked. All natural--Through and through. One will never beat God's art. Never. Tattooless Cunnilingus--Seriously deficient in most porn. Viewers like to see pussies getting eaten by talented tongues, not one-minute clit-diving clit lappers. Anilingus--Tight assholes look cute, especially when being licked. And I'm referring to girls' assholes. If viewers want to see men getting rimmed, there's . . . gay porn. Fortunately there are some directors like Andre Madness (formerly with Kick Ass, now Madness Pictures) and Mark Kulkis (Kick Ass) who are faithful to the meaning of porn, as revealed by some of their titles and series, understanding what eroticism and sexual excitement really are. Most of what we're watching today is not porn. It is unerotic, unexciting, and it kills wood. I predict that the erotic will come back to porn eventually. There's only so much uneroticism that viewers will be able to tolerate. Porn will revert to the dictionary definition. Ultimately, people's eyes will open. [Link] |
| john thomas Deactivated User 1168 Posts 6/06 | Posted - Aug 5 2007 : 10:37PM It's a shame that you decided to centre your whole argument round a dictionary definition that you didn't really understand; I might have agreed with some of your points if you hadn't framed them so badly. [Link] |
| junglew Senior Member 1042 Posts 12/02 | Posted - Aug 6 2007 : 12:42AM Wayne In Dallas [Link] |
| Vodveer Member 72 Posts 7/07 | Posted - Aug 6 2007 : 12:46AM mod: snipped the quote - see the Forum Etiquette Edited by - hardware on 8/6/2007 4:02:49 AM [Link] |
| Vodveer Member 72 Posts 7/07 | Posted - Aug 6 2007 : 1:13AM mod: snipped the quote - see the Forum Etiquette Edited by - hardware on 8/6/2007 4:04:19 AM [Link] |
| Mister Satan Member I'll knock up your wife and won't give a f*** 74 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Aug 6 2007 : 2:40AM Tattoos Piercings Breast implants Partial clothing on performers Shoes Ass gaping A2M I don't know what the deal is but I love all of these. Especially Julia Bond's tat that goes all down the left side of her torso. Fucking hot. I think you're forgetting what pornography is supposed to be. Fantasy. You wanna see sex without all the trappings, how about...wait for it...actually having sex with a girl IRL? Not only do you get all the sensuality and "pure love" you're talking about, she's an instant message board unto herself that can accept all discrepancies like, automatically. I only watch porn for the perverted fantasies that exist within my own mind. I save all the vaginal sex for real life, that's why I'm so excited to see pure sodomy releases. What you're talking about inciting is a regression in fetish and sexual exploration. I'm sure there's a small market out there that caters to your tastes, but for you to say the entire mainstream market will "Ultimately" open their eyes is empty hope. And what's with all this gay porn talk? I don't think it's the directors' fault you're focusing on penises, clothing and shoes and not the woman's face/boobies/vagina. --- Remember, MS doesn't give a [edited] Edited by - Mister Satan on 8/6/2007 2:47:27 AM [Link] |
| Kolbath Member 31 Posts 8/07 | Posted - Aug 6 2007 : 4:39AM Anyway, on to the subject at hand, in certain things I have to say I agree with Vodveer. I detest facial piercings. 'Detest' can be defined as: the first thought that comes to me when I see a girl with a freaking metal spike in her probiscous is "Boy, she'd be really hot if she didn't have a staple in her beak." I have NEVER, in my thirty-three years on this spinning rock, seen a single woman whose beauty was improved by a shiny metal booger attached to the outside of her nostril. Tattoos can be interesting. I reserve judgement. On occasion a sick part of me likes to see a goth girl get obliterated, and the tattoos highten the allure almost enough to make up for the bullring in her mouth. Heels and hose: Goddamnit, man, are you out of your ever-luvvin' MIND? Porn is about watching a fantasy. I may beg and plead to any available gods and some minor demons but I will never even be able to give Jewel a rose, much less assault the ramparts of her body. Tricia will never let me take her swing dancing (1920's Jitterbug), much less allow me to perform a horizontal mambo with her. I understand both of these ladies have sharp sticks specifically to keep people like me away. Don't take away MORE of my fantasy! (You could ditch the platforms, though. Spike heels are enough. The "fuck me pump" was quite well named. I hate platform heels; hooves really don't belong on a beautiful woman.) Breast implants: Okay, I'm with you on this one. I don't know where women got the idea that "in France, the perfect breast fits in a wine glass. In America it has to clog a toilet." Bigger is not always better. I'm sure there's still a line of men waiting to fly a low-level mission over Katy Gold, and her breasts are still natural (last I saw). Missing is probably a better term, but porn is also about VARIETY as well as fantasy. Some days I want to see a (somehow still innocent) Gen Padova learning to deep throat for the first time, and some days I feel like watching Ava Devine get used like a dishcloth. Partial clothing: Nope. You're way off. Going back to the idea of fantasy, how many women out there really wear lingerie for their men? How many men are going to jump the bones of a woman tonight that's wearing crotchless panties? (Not enough, sadly.) I want to see MORE partial clothing scenes. For one thing thigh-highs are AWESOME (Like a hot dog, for you Eddie Izzard fans... although I don't really care to see HIM in thigh highs.), for another there is something indescribable about a nice, messy cumshot all over a woman who is almost fully dressed. (I recall one scene the lovely Ms. Deveraux did where she was in professional wear and that happened. Christ I couldn't walk for three days, and my hand was cramped BADLY.) I'm not talking about a BURKHA, but there's something truly amazing about the idea of the "office slut." Ass gaping and A2M are, like facials and anal sex in general, about degradation (at least in part). Some men, and I am not ashamed to say that I am in their number, ENJOY watching that sort of thing. Jewel has had a few scenes of similar nature that make the knees rubbery. "Forced Entry" comes to mind. Dear GOD you did a wonderful job in that scene (although I forget if there was A2M in that one.) Male performer jackoffs: I'm with you on this one. Directors, please realize that gay porn is its own genre. I don't even really care for lesbian porn, myself, but watching a guy stroke himself is like watching... actually I can't think of an analogy worse than saying, "it's like watching a guy jack off-- when you were HOPING to watch him railing a beautiful woman." What I think you must realize, Vodveer, is that porn is so myriad and diverse because each person's life experiences lead them to be aroused in different ways. I personally can't stand cunnilingus scenes. But if the porn producers want to make more of them, okay, that's why I have a fast forward button. I'm sure that if you created a website for gay, amputee, bestial, necrophilia nasal porn, SOMEONE would pay you $29.99/month for an account. (I'm not talking about some insane homeless dude, I mean a fucker with a JOB!) We're all different. I've read a few posts here lambasting male performers for performing rough sex scenes. Okay, but personally I LIKE those scenes. Tricia in "2 1/2 Weeks in the Life of a Prostitute" was STUNNING. It sent me out to search for her in OTHER movies. (By contrast, the potentially great Kaitlynn Ashley scene in that movie was RUINED by the shitty direction and introduction of a chunk of watermelon into her naughty bits. I don't like food play-- but that DVD was worth the price just for Tricia. Oh, and Ron Jeremy's auto-fellatio damn near sent me to a therapist. What kind of hetero-porn-watching-dude wants to see another man suck HIMSELF off? ESPECIALLY after watching Tricia and a couple of friends perform! WTF!?! What normal director is going to look at a scene and say, "Hey, we've got this gorgeous Tricia here who has been known to suck a cock or two, but it's a better idea to have Ron take care of himself."? Why did no one slap him and yell, "That's bad touching!") You know what would improve most porn? If the directors stopped trying to make art. In my opinion, which isn't humble but is the only one I have, the idea of a SOUNDTRACK in a porno is obnoxious. I do not want to hear some trash-rock band blasting out a distorted guitar track they couldn't get on a mainstream album. I want to hear Aurora Snow begging to be fucked in the ass. Directors: KILL YOUR SOUND MEN! Stop filming from crazy angles or with filters that obscure what the hell is going on! Stop showing the guy groaning and biting his lip over how great the blowjob is and SHOW THE FREAKING BLOWJOB! I also would like to see fewer special effects. I know that iMovie and Windows Movie Maker are trying to compete to see who can deliver the most transitions, but is it necessary to use ALL of them in a single scene? I don't need to see laser beams shoot out of the guy's dick. I already feel inadequate because he's making Jewel say "uncle." The idea that he can also take down the Death Star with his equipment isn't helping me feel better about the four inches I was gifted with. Mostly, though, I want to see FEWER CLOSEUPS! Here's a lovely case in point from the pro-am website "Anal Destruction." It was the reason that I canceled my account with them, in fact: during the scene with 'Malana' her face was shown for nine seconds out of the entire eighteen-minute assfucking. (I counted. I couldn't believe it.) Where was the camera? About three inches from her right butt cheek. What. The. Fuck? Closeups are fine, in moderation, but let's be serious, it could be ANYONE in that scene. It could be freakin' Julia Childs for gawd's sake! I dunno 'bout you, but if I find a DVD with Jewel or Tricia on the cover, I'm hoping like hell that I'm going to be able to watch them getting plowed like a snowy road. I don't want to see nothing but belly buttons or butt-acne. (Not that either of these lovely ladies have... oh fukkit.) My point is that everyone is turned on by different things, but I think there are a couple points that directors could FINE TUNE. However, abolishing large parts of the genre like gaping and A2M is not improving things, it's just cutting down the pie. Please pardon any typos or misspellings. It's late and I'm typing by the light of a laptop screen. Also, understand that my criticisms of the porn directing are from the heart, but I freely admit to having a very minimal knowledge of the business of porn. Most of my porn-making activities have been of the, "Of course there's no tape in there," variety. -K- [Link] |
| Sean Renaud Member 181 Posts 7/07 | Posted - Aug 6 2007 : 1:31PM Tattoos- At what point is it considered large and distracting? A woman with a sleeve is a turn off to me, but a tramp stamp can be rather sexy. Peircings- Too each his own, I like nipple peircings, hate nose, ignore tongue and don't like lip. Breast Implants: Considering that every single time I see those "Which tits are fake" tests I never see many people who score consistantly about 60-70% Considering that you could get 50% just by guesing Fake on all of them 60-70% says to me that people who claim they can tell are most full of shit. There is a perception that large=fake and that's not true. Full Nudity- Not all the time. Hell apparently somebody has never had passionate I need you sex where you only take off whatever is in the way. Not to many performers can portray this well, but still. Gaping: Shruggle A2M: It is just gross, fun but fun cus it's gross. Like Creepy Crawlers it's based on guys like sluts no matter what they claim. There isn' much sluttier than ass to mouth. Jerk off endings: Can't really debate that point. Most viewers don't want to see cunninlingus, or anilingus. The problem is that neither translates well visually. It looks like a guy waggling his tongue, their is KISS if I want to watch tongues doing wierd crap. [Link] |
| Schmse Senior Member I'm not here, this isn't happening! 2571 Posts 6/04 | Posted - Aug 6 2007 : 2:11PM I think: Porn is something special. Do I want to see my girlfriend's asshole gape? No! Do I want to fuck her with 5 other guys? Of course not! etc. etc. But i like watching a beautiful girl do this and other acts on screen. Plain, boring pussy fucking is nothing what excites me when watching porn. I can have this in my real life. I like my beer cold, my steak medium and my porn hard!  [Link] |
| ToneBone Member 176 Posts 8/07 | Posted - Aug 6 2007 : 4:08PM I can understand some confusion if the girl is fully clothed; otherwise the difference between fake tits and real ones is often so pronounced you would have to be blind AND stupid not to notice. As for gaping and A2M, it's a love or hate subject. It's heaven for Anal Festishists, and gross as all hell for the rest of us. I personally don't understand it. I've never fantasized about what a girl's rectal tissue might look like, nor have I considered it kinky to insert my cock in her mouth after it's been in her ass. I love making out with a chick as I'm banging her. Somehow the knowledge that she's tasting her own fecal matter ruins that for me! But hey, I understand people have their fetishes. I personally love throat fucking replete with all the noise and drooling even though many others find it repulsive. Aside from the above, I'm also with the OP on tats, male rimming and jerk-to-pop cumshots. But beg to differ on partial clothing and pumps. I almost have a fetish for the latter. [Link] |
| dodatdang Member 13 Posts 1/05 | Posted - Aug 6 2007 : 4:10PM Tattoos - They're not a big deal to me... I have a few of those. It's their choice. Piercings - Just like tattoos, it's their choice. Breast implants - See comment above Partial clothing on performers - If it's something sexy then I'm all for it. Shoes - Hot women + high heels = Sexy. Hot women + stockings + high heels = Super Sexy! I say leave them on all of the time if they want to. Actually, I'd prefer it. Ass gaping - that's hot Vaginal gaping - that's hot A2M - that's hot Fellatio - that's hot Male-performer jackoffs - that's not... I agree with you here, I can do without it. Like it's already been said though, thankfully there's enough variety out there for everyone. [Link] |
| junglew Senior Member 1042 Posts 12/02 | Posted - Aug 6 2007 : 4:30PM Wayne In Dallas [Link] |
| Vodveer Member 72 Posts 7/07 | Posted - Aug 6 2007 : 6:28PM I'm glad most of the forum members here are engaging in intelligent dialogue about the future of porn. I have every confidence that "erotic" will once again become an integral aspect of pornography. [Link] |
| Vodveer Member 72 Posts 7/07 | Posted - Aug 6 2007 : 7:02PM Tattoos Piercings Breast implants Partial clothing on performers Shoes Ass gaping A2M Hey, just what everyone else (or almost everyone else) involved in porn likes, Mr. Conformist. And what's with the testiness? Too much caffeine? Not getting laid? This is a forum for adults who are capable of expressing their views intelligently, not emotionally. That's what separates the adult from the child. [Link] |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Aug 6 2007 : 7:09PM [Link] |
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| AlexPanzer Deactivated User 1593 Posts 6/03 | Posted - Aug 6 2007 : 7:41PM [Link] |
| junglew Senior Member 1042 Posts 12/02 | Posted - Aug 6 2007 : 11:10PM By the way I really like high heels on a woman in bed. They look nice on the street but are very uncomfortable I am told and the only place they could be worn comfortably is in bed. Porn is not real and should not be taken seriously. Wayne In Dallas [Link] |
| Vodveer Member 72 Posts 7/07 | Posted - Aug 7 2007 : 10:06AM [Link] |
| Myload Senior Member A rose is what you are to me 2069 Posts 6/03 | Posted - Aug 7 2007 : 10:38AM [Link] |
| Vodveer Member 72 Posts 7/07 | Posted - Aug 7 2007 : 10:58AM What's true despite everyone's preferences and differences is that we are passionate about porn. Your lively analysis reflects that. That's what binds the porn community together. Porn people represent a tiny fraction of the world population. [Link] |
| Vodveer Member 72 Posts 7/07 | Posted - Aug 7 2007 : 11:05AM [Link] |
| Kim H Member 8 Posts 8/07 | Posted - Aug 7 2007 : 11:20AM Tattoos - Nothing against a few small ones - I have them myself. A clever upper-arm tattoo or even a navel tat can be enticing. Piercings - Tongue and Clit piercings are distracting. Long as the main work implements are not interfered with, it's all right. Breast implants - Suits some performers, doesn't suit others. The girls need to be aware of their body type. Partial clothing on performers - If it's something sexy then I'm all for it. Shoes - Actually I agree that they look silly in a fucking scene, but its not THAT big a deal. Ass gaping - Weird. As long as it's kept to niche movies I don't mind Vaginal gaping - Eh, whatever. A2M - Stupid Fellatio - Can't get enough Male-performer jackoffs - It isn't fun, but maybe there's a sound directorial reason for it? Given that it's in 99.9% of porn movies. I don't think we're anywhere near seeing the end of porn...if anything there's something for everyone. [Link] |
| twilly Member 9 Posts 8/07 | Posted - Aug 7 2007 : 1:25PM Porn changes from decade to decade and can be radically different from one culture and country comparative to "American" porn. What is occuring now will have some porn consumers, depending on their particular cravings, thinking this is the best that's ever been produced, while other consumers will long for the "good old days" when there was a different style occuring. Lately it seems that if it's produced for a dvd, it's got to have this same annoying "formula" look that never changes.... "Chick-a-bow-wow Chick-a-bow-wow"..... Pretty sad. What's with all these close-ups that only a gynecologist could appreciate? What happened to contextual camera shots and heaven forbid, performers that were actually into it somewhat? I remember a porn film from a decade ago showing performers that got into it so much, having fun with each other, they actually forgot the camera was there for a little bit! I'm a codger and have recently revisited the whole industry and am NOT impressed. As a side note (don't laugh) what does P.O.V. stand for? I guess I'm showing my age... "The End of Porn".... I don't think that'll ever happen but for crying out loud, directors - try something new... PLEASE! Edited by - twilly on 8/7/2007 1:29:15 PM [Link] |
| Kolbath Member 31 Posts 8/07 | Posted - Aug 7 2007 : 2:25PM Another poster realy hit it on the head, Vod. As a politically conservative porn watcher (yes, there is such a thing-- because I have read the ENTIRE Bill of Rights!) I have to say that all things bought and sold are MARKET-DRIVEN. This means the law of supply and demand influences the way the porn market works just as much as it influences how many bananas are on the local supermarket's shelves. If the makers of ass gape scenes had no one interested in viewing their material, the genre would gradually die out. This doesn't appear to be happening, and may expose a flaw in your logic: YOU might not like such scenes, but their prevalence is an indicator that SOMEONE is purchasing those DVDs. Another example is the "rough anal" threads that I've noticed have been killed over and over again on this message board. Let's be honest, folks-- we all know that the people involved are willing participants, no matter what discomfort they happen to be in during the scene. I think an amateur boxer takes more physical damage in a nine minute show bout than any porn performer takes in a twenty-minute scene and no one leaps to defend them-- and they are NOT getting paid for it! I trained in competition martial arts for five years, broke three bones and had five concussions-- and never received a dime because I was classified as an amateur. In fact, I had to raise money to compete and pay out of pocket for expenses! Can we compare this to someone like Crystal Ray in her Meatholes scene. I'm sure Ms. Ray, who is one of the better-known female performers, was paid well over a thousand dollars for her fifteen minutes with Brandon Iron. I think she was adequately repaid for any discomfort she might have endured, even though her tears at the end were more likely the result of thinking about the puppy she lost at age nine than anything that had happened to her during that scene; she seemed to be enjoying herself. I don't particularly understand why the forum leaps up and jumps on anyone who says, "Where can I find an anal sex video where the girl has tears in her eyes?" There are people out there right now watching videos where people are shitting and pissing on one another. Can someone explain to me, using small words and pictures where applicable, which one is more degrading? I am at a loss. Tying this back into the subject at hand; there is obviously a market for such scenes or Rocco Siffredi would not be the most prevalent performer in europe. Pierre Woodman would not be nearly a household name. (Unusual households, to be sure.) There is obviously an interest in such scenes or people would STOP ASKING about them here. We have to accept the fact that porn is market driven like any other commodity. Gonzo makers have rushed to fill a void with rough, gaping, A2M scenes because people want to buy them and not for any other reason. If those directors could make more money by filming nothing but vanilla missionary vag scenes, then I'm sure the market would be full of those. The best advice I can give someone is to vote with their wallet. For example, I DETEST Vivid video. I once wrote an essay called "How to Shoot Amateur Porn" in which I discussed the top ten things most rookies screw up. (I'm no Jake Malone, but I know how to hold a camera.) I was actually prompted to write it largely because I had been watching a Vivid DVD earlier in the day and then saw an amateur clip from the web that made the same damn mistakes. Vivid doesn't have a damn clue what they are doing. They put the lighting behind the performers so all you see is silhouettes. They zoom in on the stupidest shit (I once watched a scene where they zoomed in on PJ Sparxx's right nostril for eight or nine seconds. What kind of shitty direction is that?) They use distracting jump cuts and shoddy editing, and they just generally make really lousy porn. Of course this is MY opinion. Your mileage may vary. However, because I don't care for the craptastic job they do, I don't buy it. I've been somewhat interested in a few of their titles in recent years, but once I see that retarded "V" logo, I put the box back on the shelf. That's about the only real recourse we have as the consumer: if no one buys the dish, eventually the menu gets changed. Unfortunately, or perhaps fortunately if you happen to like modern porn, the folks buying the stuff now seem to be gravitating towards the rough, gaping, A2M scenes. Until porn watchers as a societel group move away from that, porn makers are going to keep on doing what they've always done: filling a nitch-- -- and a few holes in the female performers. -K- [Link] |
| McCutcheon Member "I guess you could say it's extremely vulgar; I like it a lot." 161 Posts 11/06 | Posted - Aug 7 2007 : 3:13PM I find a great deal of current porn either entirely unwatchable or close. [Link] |
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| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Aug 7 2007 : 3:28PM It cracks me up. People claim to love porn but it has to be just so and it can't be too filthy or it's "Whoa! That's disgusting!". No shit. It's porn! [Link] |
| Sean Renaud Member 181 Posts 7/07 | Posted - Aug 7 2007 : 3:36PM [Link] |
| McCutcheon Member "I guess you could say it's extremely vulgar; I like it a lot." 161 Posts 11/06 | Posted - Aug 7 2007 : 4:01PM Do you really think the Jerry Falwells of the world were like "I'm fine with nekkid fuckin and suckin but, damnit, when you start showin gapin shit holes, I draw the line!" It is true that people having sex on film isn't as offensive as it once was. This is probably part of the reason porn has become more and more transgressive. But there has to be a limit and I think there is for the vast majority of people. "Maybe the guy who doesn't want to see gaping assholes isn't really that much of a porn fan." Even though you wrote "maybe," this is still a silly thing to say. What? if I don't get aroused or don't want to jack off to a woman's colon I'm not a porn fan???? The point of porn is fantasy and stimulation for sex or masturbation. I think a lot of porn producers are forgetting this. I'll add that I think a lot of porn fans have learned to tune out some of the things they don't like or hate in current porn. For example, I detest tattoos but am able to ignore them to some extent. mod: snipped the quote - see the Forum Etiquette Edited by - hardware on 8/7/2007 4:25:56 PM [Link] |
| Gunzo Senior Member 1377 Posts 2/05 | Posted - Aug 7 2007 : 4:45PM [Link] |
| Myload Senior Member A rose is what you are to me 2069 Posts 6/03 | Posted - Aug 7 2007 : 6:04PM [Link] |
| Kolbath Member 31 Posts 8/07 | Posted - Aug 7 2007 : 6:18PM Porn simply cannot compete with mainstream Hollywood. They don't have the money for the acting, directing, or writing, and for the most part I think their audience isn't really looking for that stuff. True, I might be judging others with the mirror I hold up to myself, but I don't even read the back of the DVD boxes, myself. I look at the pictures. Neanderthalic, yes, but while I can debate Proust with the best of them, I'm not looking for THAT part of my brain to be engaged by a porno. -K- Edited by - hardware on 8/8/2007 12:02:17 AM [Link] |
| Vodveer Member 72 Posts 7/07 | Posted - Aug 7 2007 : 8:36PM |
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| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Aug 7 2007 : 9:50PM [Link] |
| Myload Senior Member A rose is what you are to me 2069 Posts 6/03 | Posted - Aug 8 2007 : 10:28AM [Link] |
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| Kolbath Member 31 Posts 8/07 | Posted - Aug 8 2007 : 4:20PM HOWEVER, and I do want to make this clear, YOU should still have the right and ability to find and watch the sorts of movies you enjoy. If you prefer more plot elements than those provided by Doc Johnson, that's cool, too. I guess my hope is that BOTH sorts of directors run across this conversation: the guys making porn with plot will hopefully see your comments and take them to heart, and the guys making gonzo will see my comments and hopefully show me what I want to see. -K- [Link] |
| Vodveer Member 72 Posts 7/07 | Posted - Aug 8 2007 : 7:16PM Sense no. 2 is the one that applies here. [Link] |
| Kolbath Member 31 Posts 8/07 | Posted - Aug 9 2007 : 1:31AM -K- [Link] |
| Myload Senior Member A rose is what you are to me 2069 Posts 6/03 | Posted - Aug 18 2007 : 1:57AM [Link] |
| Kolbath Member 31 Posts 8/07 | Posted - Aug 18 2007 : 3:26AM My ideal plot revolves around, "Hi, I'm the chick." "Hi, I'm the dick." Then some slurping and squeaking sounds. It's not going to win an Oscar, but those awards shows suck ass anyway. -K- [Link] |
| William Hyde Member 112 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Aug 18 2007 : 6:32AM But as for the evolution of the look and content of porn and its performers... I think most of that can be traced to evolving technologies [ ie. the rise of the internet and cheap home video ], and the subsequent changes in the market. Unlike the "good old days" of mob money, XXX theatres, and a relatively small number of producers and performers... the current era is dominated by corporate dollars, a groundswell of small producers, a glut of new "talent" and content, enormous competition, and slim profit margins. Not to mention tougher anti-obscenity laws that have emerged as a direct backlash to an industry which is much more "in your face" today. Middle America cared a lot less what was going on in Porn Valley, when the fallout was relegated to those dirty movie houses. Now it's pratically plastered on their aol "welcome" screens, and they're getting a little sweaty under the collar. Of course the irony is that porn "consumption" has increased exponentially thanks to the anonymity of the internet. So there's an obvious hypocrisy in America's revulsion to an industry it clearly endorses with its dollars. In any case, the industry as it looks today [ several dozen agencies, as many new "studios", and a busload of new girls every week, each with a new set of tits and a shelf-life of about 2 months ] is a direct result of the changing market forces brought about by the internet and cheaper high-quality digital production and editing tools. And the fact that established producers have to fight a lot harder for their share of the ever-shrinking profit pie. Hence, the production value and creative boldness of the 70's and 80's have given way to the reliable marketability of the freshly-shaved "barely legal" barbie doll in a 2-hour gonzo gangbang. So don't throw out that copy of "Pretty Peaches" or "Candy Stripers" just yet. [Link] |
| mindee Member If you don't break the rules, you'll never have any fun! 717 Posts 10/06 | Posted - Aug 18 2007 : 8:49AM I like most of the trends in today's business. I like watching hard anal sex, and the milk enemas and ATM's. As far as the girls with boob jobs..I sort of like them. If I could afford a good boob job, I'd get mine inflated, and they're none too small already. OK, I see things a little different, but I think today's porn is pretty cool. And as a business, most companies don't stay in business too long if people don't buy their product! [Link] |
| twilly Member 9 Posts 8/07 | Posted - Aug 20 2007 : 6:27PM [Link] |
| MythMaker Member Jada... the best thing in porn 919 Posts 7/07 | Posted - Aug 20 2007 : 6:59PM This and the original post where it was asserted there are at least a few directors who make movies the way he enjoys should be the end of the discussion. We all have different tastes, and to standardize anything is to take the fast track to medicocrity and stagnation. I love the direcotrs who push the envelope, take chances, and even do something quirky that becomes incredibly erotic to me (eg a girl that sniffs a cock during A2M). It's my taste, and what stimulates me that I may not have known before I saw it. Staying in the fold is comfortable, and conversely not everything one finds when exploring is titilating but the road less travelled really does make all the difference. Viva La Difference!!! Edited by - MythMaker on 8/20/2007 6:59:56 PM [Link] |
| Vodveer Member 72 Posts 7/07 | Posted - Aug 20 2007 : 9:38PM [Link] |
| MythMaker Member Jada... the best thing in porn 919 Posts 7/07 | Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 12:30AM Maybe there should be an entire comany that's dedicated to capturing the style of 70s, 80s, even 90s style pornography. Then again, I was under the impression places like Wicked and Vivid made the plot driven high end production with hardcore, but not over the top, sex (no A2M, cum burping, throat fucking). I could be wrong, though. Erotic has to do with arousing sexual desire - to say most hardcore videos do not achieve this is a relatively pejorative statement that is belied by the success of such titles. I don't think people buy these videos because that's all that is available; these videos are meeting a need. Considering they dominate the market, I'm inclined to believe the need is of a majority. My logic could be faulty, however. Edited by - MythMaker on 8/21/2007 12:35:19 AM [Link] |
| junglew Senior Member 1042 Posts 12/02 | Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 2:08PM Wayne In Dallas [Link] |
| ntfighter Member 645 Posts 7/07 | Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 2:42PM Edited by - hardware on 8/21/2007 3:15:16 PM [Link] |
| zuluaskono Member 7 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 3:54PM Piercings- In my perfect porn world, only earrings and navel rings are allowed. Breast implants- My biggest turnoff. Partial clothing on performers- I'm okay with variety. In fact, some of the hottest scenes I have feature clothed women who end up fully exposed below the waist. Sure, variety also means you sometimes get scenes where you wish the woman would've lost the panties at some point, but I can live with that. Shoes- I don't care. Ass gaping- I never understood porn's shift to all things anal except as it satisfied the need to be more outrageous. I love looking at the female asshole, and especially enjoy watching the muscles contract during orgasm. Fingering and fucking obscure its beauty IMHO. Vaginal gaping- Love me a good vaginal gape. A2M- A curiosity, but just not hot in my book. But, see 'Fellatio' below. Fellatio- Always a FF for me. I'm here to watch pussy, not some guy's dick. Male-performer jackoffs- It used to be the pop-shot was done to assure the viewer the sex was real and effective. Now, it's become Most Extreme Jackoffs Show. Again, I'm here to watch pussy. "How can porn return to the erotic experience?" All natural- I wholeheartedly agree, and would welcome the return of pubic hair too. Trim it if you must. Cunnilingus- If done well (and most of it isn't), cunnilingus can be extraordinarily hot. Similar to filming women with hairy cunts, the director/cameraman needs to use the best positions, angles and instructions to ensure the action is fully revealed. Anilingus- Totally agree with what you said. "I predict that the erotic will come back to porn eventually." I think the pendulum will begin swinging back at some point, too. But I should mention that there's a ton of porn available anymore. If you have a decent search engine and some time to kill, you might find some stuff you'd like right now. [Link] |
| Vodveer Member 72 Posts 7/07 | Posted - Aug 22 2007 : 9:04PM Note to zuluaskono: Right on! Note to junglew: I'm optimistic that erotic porn won't die, though I can't assert with as much confidence that the same will hold true about me.  [Link] |
| Vodveer Member 72 Posts 7/07 | Posted - Aug 22 2007 : 9:45PM [Link] |
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