for what its worth i think the girls should get paid more - not $10,000-$50,000 - but more than a couple hundred bucks for doing what they do for us...

present rates are still good money though!

- Pornmaster Mike, still stunned by the beauty of Nautica Thorn...
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how much will the vids cost us then? $750? That better be some MAJOR kickass poonage that would make everyones dreams come true ;)

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1. endless supply of individuals who want "exposure"

2. large market with an intense interest in new faces/new acts from those new faces

3. very cheap production costs compared to mainstream product.

4. extremely rapid turnover of show/contestants/performers

there are enough threads on why ladies get into porn, but I'd point out that pay/scene doesn't make sense. For a long while it was really the ability to take porn notoriety and turn it into a feature dancing career. For some ladies, it also greatly enhances their asking price for escorting. More recently, there's been the promise of making money from a website. Also in some cases, you can trade suitcase pimp types for low level rich guys who might look after you.

Reality show contestants appear to get into it for some combination of exposure that might lead to acting/talk show career, desire for fame/notoriety, as way to pick up women/men. They generally don't do it because the pay for appearing on the show is good.

The problem:
If you find someone who's really good, an actress whom the market wants to see over and over for a period of years....the economics of porn make it difficult to keep that star concentrating on making porn movies. The real money is in feature dancing, being Juli Ashton, getting on Howard Stern, etc. The movies themselves sell based on box covers etc., but single movies don't make enough money to pay big bucks to the talent (with a few exceptions).
What we get instead is lots and lots of new faces of varying quality who have little incentive to actually stay in the business should they become suddenly popular. One result is that by the time a new star's movies hit the market, she may already be retired or very close to retirement. Sadly, that makes for mediocre product more than 90% of the time.

So, yeah, I'd love to see a system where a hot woman could be a pornstar as an actual career choice for a few years.
And yeah, it would mean a lot more money/scene.
But, the system as it exists won't let it happen.

In the meantime, I'm waiting for the porn version of Average Joe or the Bachelor.

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Greed? My friend if you knew what the profit margin was on your standard run-of-the-mill porn flick you'd be astounded. If Microsoft ran on such thin margins they'd be de-listed from NASDAQ and you'd be typing your posts on a Radio Shack Tandyvision 1.0. Many people in the biz spend the entire profit of a release solely to finance the next release. Actual income is generated by re-orders and foreign rights ( both of which vary wildly depending on the company)
Do people get rich in Porn? Yes. So what? People get rich owning McDonalds franchises too. It's called capitalism. It's worked pretty well since 1776. The reason for the ostensibly accurate figure of 10,000 new releases a year from porn valley is because the profit is made in quantity. Quality is important only to the discerning porn connoisseur. Everyone else just rents up a copy of Cum Guzzling Whore who take it in the Ass Volume 327. That being said, the companies who are presently very successful make every effort to deliver both quality and quantity but many of you have no doubt at one time purchased or rented from a company that obviously does not.
As far as the risk of AIDS, the risk is there for every human having sex, on film or off, unless you know the complete sexual history of your partner. In porn there is mandatory monthly testing. That chick you picked up at a bar last week probably couldn't pass a spelling test. In short, porn actors and actresses get paid what the market dictates. This is not child labor in the Xang province of China; this is a 20 year old girl who hasn't figured out what she wants of life making a grand or more for 90 minutes of work.

Quaze

P.S. I have no idea whether or not Xang is a province in China:) Also, while on the subject of pay raises, quality camera people and Directors and woefully neglected financially!

Edited by - Mike Quasar on 12/10/2003 9:18:08 PM

Edited by - Mike Quasar on 12/10/2003 9:18:51 PM

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Txtstallion. I think you need to think out your rant a little. 50,000 a scene no matter of talent or looks or is this just for top talent? It doesnt really matter, but this would be a total waste of money. Porn studios would be going bankrupt by the dozen.

I mean come on man, its sex, not leading the free world. Not all of these girls in porn are capable of being lawyers, and its still a place where they can go and make a damn good living if they want to work. Plus like Quaze said, it is far safer than going out and having sex with someone you meet at the pub.

Lots of jobs have far more risk than being in porn. Cops doent make shit, but yet they go out there and risk thier lives for Us schmucks, Firemen too, and many others.

I think porn talent make damn good money to be honest. A couple hours of work, and thats if you call sex, work, even if the scene isnt that good or the talent isnt all that talented, to walk away with 500-1500 dollars, how is that bad. Maybe I'm missing something.

If what quaze said is true that the camera and behind the scenes people are underpaid, then that in my opinion is the tragedy, because those people can really make the difference, and make less attractive people look hot and can add a lot to a scene, and make hot talent look scorching.

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Rookie cop - $35,000 a year
Rookie porn chick - $100,000 a year or more

Granted, the cop will get raises and beneits and he has a lifelong career but porn girls aren't usually getting shot at ( unless they have a particularly jealous suitcase pimp)

A very good friend of mine is a fireman in Newport Beach and he makes far less than me and certainly less than your average porn chick. Sad but true.

Julia Roberts has probably never done anal. Certainly not a D.P and she makes 20 mil a picture. No one said that life was fair :)

Quaze

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The AVERAGE profit from a gonzo video. It's not even the $50,000 that you propose to pay EACH of the 5 to 8 girls in the video.

Yes, girls go through a lot when they're in videos. But half the girls who do it would be lucky if they could hold down a job where they made one tenth the money that they do from being a porn girl. But there's quite a few girls who understand that it's not the scenes that make them the money. It's the career that comes after the scenes.

I've seen enough complaining from fans about how expensive videos and DVDs are already that I can hardly imagine the fans kicking in so much as another $5 per video.

And those greedy porn producers are the ones who are putting themselves at risk of going to jail, not the girls.

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But the girls deserve it all at the end

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Computer graphics are improving rapidly. Within a generation, it'll likely be possible to do porn without the actors. You'll be able to take old images of Ginger Lynn and Angel, enhance them and make completely new movies where they do things they never actually did on camera.
Besides, who knows what the porn experience will be by then. It could involve something other than a screen and the traditional movie format.
But, bottom line, we could soon be seeing pressure to eliminate "on camera talent" completely. Companies might hire people to pretend to be the actors/actresses who don't actually exist, a la Simone.
The current structure suggests to me that once this becomes possible, human actresses might simply disappear from the formula much sooner than we think. The male actors will likely disappear even sooner. If it does happen that way, it'll be sad.
I'd like to see ways for someone to make a good living at porn long enough so that he or she can master the craft of doing sex scenes. It sounds like the current structure works agains that happening for the female talent.

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