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Zingerbrook
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Posted - Oct 29 2017 : 5:59PM
I wonder whether there are some aspects of the adult entertainment industry that can serve as a **positive** model for professional conduct? As in, here are problems faced in the mainstream entertainment industry, and guess what, the porn industry has a successful approach. I know that adult entertainment is kind of a 'wild west', but some aspects of the industry are actually quite developed and run super, super well.
Will add that I have experience in the entertainment industry, including some experience in adult where I was really taken aback by how awesome and professional and well-run an organization could be (I didn't get lucky, I specifically looked for that). I have also spent many years in non-entertainment businesses where sometimes things are good or sometimes they suck ass. Have personally fired people for 'sexual harassment' at work. But I also know that sexual expression is not bad, and promoting sexual expression any way I can is important to me. (I'm a guy, for whatever it's worth)
EDIT: In other words: I am looking at those companies in adult entertainment that **are** very well run (because they do exist)--and could serve as models for other companies in other industries.
Edited by - zingerbrook on Oct 29 2017
Peter Mc
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Posted - Oct 29 2017 : 6:21PM
I say this with no inside knowledge of the industry at all but I would be shocked if there aren't plenty of casting couch type situations in porn similar to some of this Hollywood stuff. Not saying full on rape as Weinstein has been accused of but would be surprised if there was not harassment and coercion for girls to do certain things for agents/directors etc. if they want to get ahead in the industry.
Zingerbrook
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Posted - Oct 29 2017 : 6:31PM
No, no, NO, NO....!! I am not saying that. Sorry to be so emphatic, but I don't want the thread to get derailed in the direction of what you posted. Please read my original post carefully.
If I was not clear in my original post, I am looking at those companies in adult entertainment that **are** very well run (because they do exist)--and could serve as models for other companies in other industries.
Note: This thread may be more worthwhile for those who do have industry experience.
PornStarNamedBuckNaked All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Oct 29 2017 : 6:51PM
^ Taking you at your word for what you want this thread to be, I would, humbly, suggest you change the thread title. It makes no sense for what you want the thread to be about.
Zingerbrook
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Posted - Oct 29 2017 : 7:51PM
Fair enough, but what is confusing about it? Weinstein precipitated the whole thing going on right now, and many people refer to it as the Weinstein Effect. Any suggestion on how to make the title clearer (and at the same time conveying the post's relation to current events)?
 
PornStarNamedBuckNaked All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Oct 29 2017 : 7:55PM
^ Maybe I'm in the minority but I see the name, "Harvey Weinstein" and ALL I think of is rape and sexual assault.
Off the top of my head, I think a better thread title might be: "Adult Cos. That Mainstream Cos. Could Emulate"
shalalin
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Posted - Oct 29 2017 : 8:03PM
Doesn't that assume that there are no well-run companies in Hollywood that they could simply emulate instead?
I'm not sure I agree with the implied argument that adult entertainment companies have a better handle on "sexual behaviour" standards and practices just because sex is front and center in their industry.
PornStarNamedBuckNaked All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Oct 29 2017 : 9:01PM
^ What a sickening and vile post. None of the women "forgot" what Weinstein did to them. Hopefully, no woman in your life ever has happened to them what happened to those women.
Edited to add: the post I was referring to has been scrubbed. Thank goodness. I am NOT referring to shalalin's post which is now above mine. Thanks.
Edited by - PornStarNamedBuckNaked on 10/29/2017 9:28:09 PM
pat362
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Posted - Oct 29 2017 : 9:18PM
^^^I agree with shahalin. It would be foolish to think that somehow porn companies are in a better morale and legal position to advise mainstream companies on how to treat their talent and/or employees. The fact of the matter is that this has been happening since the days that women started working with men. Heck in happens when men work with men. There is a huge scandal involving a beloved television personality in French Canada who was accused by multiple people no long after the Weinstein scandal came to light and he's gay so all of his accusers are men.
This shit isn't new. Fucking Roman Polanski drugged and sodomized a 13 years old girl in 1977(that's 40 years ago) and he got away with it. Heck he kept on making movies in Europe. Has anyone one heard of Woody Allen? Other than the fact that his own daughter accused him of sexual assault. He also married his adopted daughter. A daughter that was barely 18 at the time and he was in his 50's. It hasn't stopped him from filming movies and being praised for his talent.
Edited by - pat362 on 10/29/2017 9:18:59 PM
misspornUSA
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Posted - Oct 29 2017 : 10:03PM
Which set off a six month investigation. The Connecticut State Police brought in a team from the Yale-New Haven Hospital, who interviewed Woody Allen's daughter, Dylan Farrow, nine times and conducted medical examinations. Not only did they conclude that she wasn't molested, but that Mia Farrow may have coached her. Moses Farrow, Woody and Mia's adopted son, also claims that Dylan was coached.
Ultimately, there are claims and counterclaims, but only one independent investigation by experts who had full access to everyone involved.
Soon-Yi Previn was never Woody Allen's adopted daughter. She is the adopted daughter of André Previn and Mia Farrow.
Have you read Mia's memoir? I own it. The legal documents in the Appendix are quite interesting, and make it explicitly clear that Woody Allen was not Soon-Yi's father in any sense of the word, and that he in fact ignored her "for ten years" (page 329).
Soon-Yi was at least 19 at the start of her relationship with Woody, and because there is confusion about her birthday she may have been as old as 21. Btw, what was the age gap between her mother and Frank Sinatra? Mia called him "the great love of her life." Like mother like daughter.
Edited by - misspornUSA on 10/29/2017 10:29:40 PM
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Zingerbrook
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Posted - Oct 29 2017 : 11:34PM
Fair point. I think two things: 1) Adult entertainment necessarily IS in a better position to develop employee/contractor/professional standards around sexual harassment. 2) This is an opportunity for some adult companies to shed light on how they do it. Not a CNN article. But a thoughtful article in an industry publication, definitely yes. It strengthens legitimacy, both on the industry and on the standards themselves.
Simple Simon
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Posted - Oct 30 2017 : 12:03AM
Sorry I can't seem to find it, but there was an interview with a porn actress that was linked on ADT once that stated this went well beyond this "casting couch" scenario you describe. The actress was seeming to say that agents will sign women up to exclusive contracts, but then, will refuse to get the women any bookings, unless they perform certain favors. And, not only to the director themselves, but also, to other men the director knows.
I was stunned by this. But I got the impression that it was so common in the industry, that no one even blinked at it.
P.S. Sorry to the OP for not following your "No, no, NO, NO....!! ... I don't want the thread to get derailed in the direction of what you posted" edict.
Zingerbrook
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Posted - Oct 30 2017 : 12:13AM
All good. There are unfortunate things in porn, just like any other biz. Ask my college girlfriend who quit her investment banking job on Wall Street due to 'unfortunate things'. I just don't want this thread to be a show-and-tell of whatever happens that people don't like. The point is to observe and to underscore what works **well** and do more of it. At least, that is my spirit in this thread.
shalalin
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Posted - Oct 30 2017 : 1:13AM
A better position, or merely a more urgent one?
In any case, why do you believe that whatever rules the porn industry has set up will have much use in mainstream? To be flippant, in adult a special line needs to be drawn between sex-for-work and sex-for-harassment. The former has no real equivalent in other industries, so I don't see how this particular dividing line can be useful to non-porn companies. Beyond that, surely we're all agreed that the standards for what constitutes sexual harassment aren't dependent on the particular job people are involved in? Unless you're insinuating that the "Hollywood system" is so utterly broken that they can't figure out those standards on their own, I'm not sure what exactly you're wanting them to look to adult for.
Edited by - shalalin on 10/30/2017 1:14:35 AM
Simple Simon
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Posted - Oct 30 2017 : 1:15AM



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