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R.B.
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7 Posts
2/03
Posted - Feb 24 2003 : 3:40AM
First of all I want to say that I don't actually own any movies directed by Jim Holiday, and I've also only seen about ten or so movies thats hes made, but I've noticed that there is a theme that runs through all of these movies. Whenever I do happen to see one of these movies I can't help, but think whats going on here? Now I think its important to know that I don't think Jim Holiday is a bad porn director. When it comes to filming the sex scenes I think hes a pretty basic director, which isn't really good or bad. One of the things I always question in the sex scenes is the feet licking and fucking, which seems to be in every fucking scene! If he wants to show foot fucking why not just make a foot fetish tape? Does Jim Holiday think that every porn fan likes foot fucking? It really wouldn't be a big deal once in a while to see some foot sucking, but in moderation. I don't mean to offend any foot lovers, but it is an acquired taste. While I'm on the topic of feet, has anyone noticed that pretty much all of the women in his movies have their finger and toe nails painted pink? Like I said the sex scenes are ok but its the rest of these movies that leave me with a sense of confused wonderment. I guess you would consider his movies to be "features", but I thought features were supposed to have some kind of story, which these movies are devoid of. These movies consist of a bunch of women in the desert who fuck each other while hokey 60's sounding surfer music plays in the background while every once in a while a girl will make some ridiculously dumb comment, and once the scenes are over theres always these little scenes with dialog, and the scenes never make any sense, its always just a bunch of pointless ramblings that don't tell a story! In some porno you have guys who at times seem to be degrading the women physically, in Jim Holiday's case, it seems like he degrades the women by making them all look like complet idiots by making them say the dumbest things possible, its stereotyping at its worst. And why does he always have the woman saying dumb tongue twisters? Whats the fucking point of all of this? Why does this guy even try to tell a story? If you took out all of the dialog and story (story, HAH HAH!) then you might have an ok porno. Am I the only one whos noticed this about Jim Holiday's movies, does anyone agree with me on this? I would like some thoughts.

Also just a quick sidenote, has anyone else noticed a stricking resemblance between Jim Holiday and the Unabomber?

R.B.

Rumplestilt Skin
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931 Posts
7/02
Posted - Feb 24 2003 : 5:16AM
I'd marry Jim Holiday tomorrow!
Seriously, I love his movies!
They're rich, attractive eye candy, and the picture is always sharp and spot on.
Long may he reign!
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PornoBoy
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145 Posts
7/02
Posted - Feb 24 2003 : 11:54AM
Jim doesn't always have the women saying the "dumb" things...check out Evan Stone in "Paradise Hole" or William Margold in "Too Many Blonde Moments". I agree with you about the foot licking and kissing...but Jim says he's just giving fans what they want to see, so if you don't want to see it, e-mail him and let him know!

I think the biggest criticism about Holliday's movies is that they are indistiguishable from each other...they all look the same, but I think he shoots sex better than most directors out there.

brock solid
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39 Posts
12/02
Posted - Feb 24 2003 : 12:48PM
Jim Holiday is a racist
Walter Burns
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Posted - Feb 24 2003 : 2:27PM
I would be careful to voice this kind of statement and then not back it up with "evidence". Hell, I would be uncomfortable making this statement even if I had "evidence".
(Please note that "evidence" is placed within inverted commas to indicate the epistemological problems surrounding that concept. Hence my second sentence.)
 
Maximum Booty
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9/02
Posted - Feb 24 2003 : 3:44PM
used to flaming & running?...you come out and call soomeone out like that you need to back up your charge with something that looks like facts.

Max Booty
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brock solid
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39 Posts
12/02
Posted - Feb 24 2003 : 7:16PM
I know I can back it up.

First off he's the reason Jill Kelly and all of the old VCA girls don't do black guys in their films.People have come out and mention him in past conversations about the fact that he tells new girls who work for him not to do IR cause it will ruin your career.

This was mentioned alot on the old Mr. Marcus forum and on the old Gene Ross site he did an interview with Veronica Caine and they were talking about how much of a jerk he was and then she told Gene about when on set of Sorority Sex Kittens 4 & Sorority Sex Kittens 5, they took a break and he was talking to her and other girls saying all this bad stuff about a girl on set with them named Diana Devoe and she walked up behind him and cursed him out in front of every one when she heard what he was saying about her which made him cringed because some of the crew was black so for the rest of that day he was apologizing to all of them so they don't quit.

There you all are I always prove my point when I make them.


........... if you listen close enough you can hear Maximum Booty kissing my ass as we speak.

Janitor
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Posted - Feb 24 2003 : 7:19PM
brock - you didn't prove anything - you relayed some rumors.

Walter Burns
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Posted - Feb 24 2003 : 8:07PM
That is your "evidence"?
I can see that you really investigated this. Have you even talked with any of these people, including Jim Holiday, yourself? Have you ever been on one of his sets? If he is a racist, then why would he hire any black crew member at all? And why would he beg them to stay? And why would you rely on hearsay to form such a definite opinion on anything? Why don't you ask questions about what you read and hear and see, at least to yourself, before voicing an opinion like this in a public forum?
Let's see how this works? I don't know Brock Solid at all, but that is all right. I have "learned" from reading a couple of posts on a forum that he is not a very critical person, who has no problem calling people names based on nothing more but hearsay. Is this comment anywhere near the "truth" about you, Brock? I don't think so, but there you have it. It has been written on a forum for everyone to read. If someone started a new thread on a different forum about the fact that he "knows" that Brock Solid is a simpleton, he can always "back up" his claim by referring to this post. "Evidence" indeed.

And I don't know what Maximum Booty is going to do, but I won't be kissing any ass. Not tonight anyway.

R.B.
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7 Posts
2/03
Posted - Feb 24 2003 : 8:52PM
I've also heard the rumors that hes racist, but thats neither here or there. As far as that goes those are just rumors. Thats a whole other conversation, and thats not what I wanted to get into when I posted the topic. I want to know why this guy is considered vital to porno or more specifically VCA. I want some insight as to why hes a contract director for a major studio and is given money to shoot "features" that in terms of storyline make no sense. Every movie is the same, and in this particular situation thats not a good thing! That twangy guitar cheesy fucking surfer music and constant foot fucking in his movies makes me wanna scream. One thing for sure, whether you like his movie or not, I think we all can agree that Jim Holiday is a dead ringer of the Unabomber. No splitting hairs on that one.

R.B.

Diesel
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516 Posts
3/00
Posted - Feb 24 2003 : 9:32PM
I agree with all of the criticisms about Holliday (concerning his flicks and directorial style, that is). With the exception of a very few videos where he had some creative involvement, but didn't direct (such as NIGHT SHIFT NURSES and PAJAMA PARTY X from VCA), all of them have this generic look (brightly lit scenes, almost zero foreplay), with boring sex and a "cutsie" factor that is annoying as hell.

I believe that he thinks he's being extra clever with his parody on porn cliches, but his "jokes" rarely rise that which he is parodying. And he has this general disdain for critics and criticism (well, who doesn't?), especially when you hear his whining during the DVD commentary. I wish he would go back to being a porn historian and not a director.

Diesel

Edited by - Diesel on 2/24/2003 9:32:52 PM

futureofporn
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658 Posts
1/03
Posted - Feb 25 2003 : 12:02AM
One of the first and best movies i ever saw was "Sorority Sex Kittens 4" I rented it and was blown away, it is an amazing video. The scene where they line the girls up to get rim jobs and the scene with an absolutely stunning looking jessica drake made me blow my load without even touching myself. In my opinion, it was a truly great piece of work. I love rimming. Then, as soon as it came out, I bought Sorority Sex Kittens 5. I love Vivian Valentine (or Pheonix Haight, whatever her name is) and her 2 scenes were great. But, after watching 3 or 4 Jim Holliday movies, I too saw the trends and the problems.
I have always known about his foot fetish. I quickly realized in every movie he had lots of anal sex and lots of foot sex. Besides SSK4, I dont own or watch anymore Jim Holliday movies, because I have one. Why would I need another when they are all the same with basically the same girls. Who wants to see Shayla Lavauex all the time? Jim Holliday may want to make his own "style" or whatever, but for me, its not going to help sell tapes.
Hardware All-Star Supporter
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14595 Posts
3/02
Posted - Feb 25 2003 : 12:10PM
Um, that would be me.

I agree Jim Holiday's plots are so thin they're transparent but he gets lots of women together, so there's an attraction for a lot of fans, and he has them doing tame (by today's standards) sex which isn't going to offend 90% of VCA's market. Since it sells, why shouldn't the company support him?

PS - It's Laveaux, not Lavauex

Diesel
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516 Posts
3/00
Posted - Feb 25 2003 : 1:21PM
Actually, it's "LaVeaux"...

And while we're in the midst of this spelling bee, please not that it's "Holliday" not "Holiday.

Diesel

Edited by - Diesel on 2/25/2003 1:21:17 PM

Hardware All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Feb 25 2003 : 2:17PM
You're right Diesel, though I've seen it spelled both ways.
 
PornoBoy
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145 Posts
7/02
Posted - Feb 25 2003 : 2:23PM
It's been spelled both ways, but only one is correct. It is indeed "Holliday".
futureofporn
Member

658 Posts
1/03
Posted - Feb 25 2003 : 5:22PM
HA, diesel got clowned.
futureofporn
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658 Posts
1/03
Posted - Feb 25 2003 : 5:24PM
my bad, i mean Hardware got clowned. dont ever correct my spelling unless you can spell the words right, yourself.
T Mac
Member

166 Posts
1/03
Posted - Feb 26 2003 : 2:16AM
Yeah, I would have to agree with some of Hardware's assessments. I own one of his newer movies, "Think Pink", on DVD. I must say, I really wasn't that impressed. In fact, I bought it, watched it once, and never picked it up again(what a waste). He basically has the same women over and over, and yes, the foot thing gets old. But, like I said, hardware had a point. He does have LOTS of women in his movies, so if you have never seen 5 or 6 women and you want to check them out, look for a good deal and pick one of his flicks up. But my compliments end there. Later.
charper1
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1 Posts
4/04
Posted - Apr 5 2004 : 4:20AM
Jim Holliday is one of the founding members of the X-Rated Critics Organization as well as one of the most respected and recognized directors. He has also directed under the names Amanda Stone and Isabelle Snow. His videos specifically cater to "his" particular fan base with the video format called Eye Candy. His films usually feature Jill Kelly, Shayla LaVeaux, and Felecia. His movies are laced with historical, pop culture and trivia references; many of the "stupid comments" are quotes or references to past people in history, old songs or movies. If you aren't well versed, you aren't gonna know what they are saying or why. Kind of like Dennis Miller. It is somewhat out of place in porn, but is all in fun. The music, although goofy is in many cases written and performed by Reno and the Rumrunners and himself. I too get somewhat tired of the same girls, but realize that some of these vids are shot 3 and 4 at a time and that he has to fight to get a lot of these girls off contract or even back into the game and shoots as much as he can. He may get into the feet a lot, but he shows everything else all the time too; just FFWD past the feet. As far as being racist, how much worse can the rumoring get? ONLY he knows for sure and as open as things are in the sex biz, it would be almost impossible to hide. I have seen many of his girls with partners of different races. Many of his women are lesbian and don't even perform with men. Anyhow, I think this is a crap subject unless we all see proof of him waving some KKK flag or some stupid shit like that. Gosip is for hens and church ladies! Jim Holliday is mostly known for his trademark all-white suits, the moccasins he wears, the designer shades, his chain smoking and for his fun, and sexy fluff. VCA once called him the "High Priest of cheerleaders, sorority babes and nurses." Holliday made the transition from pre-eminent adult historian to major name director virtually by accident and for four years used female pseudonyms to help establish female stars in their attempts to get into the production side of the industry. William Margold, another co-founder of the XRCO, once commented, "Jim Holliday has forgotten more about porn film history than any pretender will ever know." Aside from the obligatory industry appearances at various shows and functions, for the past decade Jim Holliday has been something of a recluse. Maybe his brashness & refusal to stay "aboveground" leads to all these speculations ?!?



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