I am a straight male, but I can jerk off both ways, :P. I got into porn through reading, starting with Penthouse Letters then ending up on the newsgroup forums like alt.sex.stories. I remember starting with the straight stories then accidentally reading some gay ones and not knowing they were gay until mid jerk. I eventually started reading more gay erotica and enjoying it because my minds eye was creating just mouths and holes without real features. That eventually led me to some gay porn and I found I enjoyed it as long as they were twinks. They were the closest to what my mind was creating and I can't watch jocks or bears unless they're topping the twinks only. This eventually lead to some TS porn. Basically 3-4 days a week I'm into straight porn, then the other 2-3 I'm into twinks or TS porn. I don't mix and match though, it's either all straight or all gay and my big problem with TS porn is when the tranny fucks the guy or the guy sucks off the tranny cause it's never a hot twink paired with the tranny. It's also why I don't like alot of the cuckold stuff cause I don't like seeing those guys faces right next to the cocks going into "their" wife/girlfriends. That's gay. :P So yeah, can't watch the exclusively bi stuff.
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Rosco Fuji Deactivated User
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Posted - Apr 22 2013 : 10:20AM
Seriously????? Anyone with half a brain knows that the minute you're starting your sentence with "Honestly" or "To tell you the truth" or "Truthfully" the rest of the sentence is pure BS. Given the need of today's society to document every waking move online, whenever I talk with my teenage nephew about posting stupid stuff on the internet I always say, "if you can't find it online, it didn't happen" Thus, the moment you can find a couple of guys with hard cocks poking each other in the chops online, they're gay or at the very minimum bi and you'll have a hard time convincing anyone otherwise.
I've said this before on these forums, but yes. I think that bisex is a big new genre waiting to happen. What Sxdoctor said above regarding a couples movie taking off. My wife watches porn with me and she says she'd be glad to watch bi sex porn. She is bored of lesbian scenes (which I enjoy if they result in orgasm) and her position is that she'd watch more of them if there was more boy-boy in movies too. She likes cock and she wants to see it. Ok. If nothing else, I can watch her getting off on it which is super-hot. We watched one bi movie (Bi-Sexual Dreamer) and had a good time, but most have such non-existent plots that she's not going to go for them. We have no interest in cuckold movies and the bad accents or dubbed language of Euro movies are tough to take. The next Spartacus is supposed to include gay sex I think, but my wife was turned off by Tony de Sergio's man boobs. Well there you are. I think Nica Noelle will do it, but her work can be uneven. The Transromantic series has such potential but it hasn't turned me on yet enough to show it to the wife (even though I would like to show her a good t-girl sex). The other thing that would be good, I think, is not to make this the focus of the movie. Just throw in one bi-scene and/or gay scene in a largely straight movie, mix them up. After all, there is SO much porn out there, how the hell else can anyone distinguish themselves???
^^^ I really hope and agree with you on this . That's the thought I started with , would Joey Silvera or someone like him do a gonzo series , like his Rouge Adventures . I would love to Nica try this genre as well , I agree that the Sweet Sinner stuff is getting a little formulatic , the same rotation of positions and acts ect . I really like the Trans Romantic line , only two so far of course , nice to see a passionate and sensual series in the T/S genre .
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Rosco Fuji Deactivated User
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Posted - Apr 24 2013 : 10:58AM
I'd imagine the 3 main issues on companies not producing this type of material is: 1. It doesn't sell well enough to justify the costs. 2. There is the stigma of the whole guy on guy thing. 3. It's difficult to find girls to do this type of work as they don't want to associated with the homo risk aspect.
^^^^^^^^ I would think it would be easy to find girls to do this. There have been many scenes on Cum Eating Cuckolds where the guys blows cock. Maybe your are talking about M/M anal penetration. As long as they have been tested. More girls are doing TS scenes as well. Casey Cummz, Charity Bangs, Courtney Taylor, Katie Summers, etc.
Mm? Have you guys actually bothered to try checking out who produces, releases and distributes bisexual porn? Here's a list of just some of the companies that do: Mile High Media trading as /Mile High Xtreme/No Limits Productions/Depraved Creations/Indulgence/Dog House Digital Next Door Studios Diablo Productions Erotic Planet Magma Film Eromaxx Pleasure Productions/Evolution Erotica Vivid Roy Alexandre - Blue Coyote Movies/Avalon/Androgyny Evasive Angles Pulse Pictures Devil's Films Private Wildlife Productions (Bobby Rinaldi) Robert Hill Entertainment Venus Girls Movies Magnus Movies / Pictures Adam & Eve Us Male Movies Combat Zone Legend Video Inc/Macho Man! Video White Ghetto Bacchus Releasing Inc Kick Ass Pictures, Inc Channel 69 Video C1R aka Channel 1 Releasing /Catalina Video / All Worlds Video Bluebird Films
^^^^ Of course it's a niche genre. That doesn't mean there's no money in it. Your website http://www.yourchoice.co.uk/shop/ is not catering to people looking for bisexual porn. Your website isn't catering to those looking for gay porn either. You are not seriously going to suggest there's no money in gay porn as well are you? Edited by - Geri on 4/25/2013 2:40:38 AM
I don't have anything against homosexuals. However the biggest problem with gay pornstars crossing over would be risk of tranmission of hiv since the rates among gay pornstars are a lot higher. Which would mean risk of another hiv outbreak in the straight porn industry down the line.
The same can be said about condoms and no condoms. Still there are plenty of creampie and no condom videos. It's just one of these dumb things that seems obvious once everyone has done it (like making halfway decent couples films again… oh wait! it sells… OMG, let's make one).
OK. I thought you might say that. But if you have a gay dvd webstore you appear to be keeping it totally separate from your straight one. There's no link that I can find anywhere on your straight store to your gay store. Not even on your links page. When I google " your choice adult dvds " I find your website. But when I google "your choice gay adult dvds" I don't find a webstore that appears to belong to you. Instead I find in top position: http://www.simplygaydvd.com/home.php NB right at the top of their home page they have a link to their "Hetero Shop" http://www.simplyporndvd.com/home.php And at the top of that home page they have a link to their "Gay DVD Shop" On both those stores if you search for "bisexual" you will find a fair quantity of bisexual porn dvds. If you do indeed have a gay dvd webstore does that have a link to your straight store? If not, why not? Do you have a bisexual category on your gay webstore? If you do have a gay webstore and you want to cater to bisexual, bi-curious and female customers (and also gay men who buy straight porn as well as gay porn because they fancy the men in straight porn) apart from actually just stocking bisexual dvds you should also do the same as simplyporn are doing. Or do what adultmoviestreet.com does and have just one store that's inclusive of straight, bi and gay.
I don't wish to be rude but you're being very naive. And we're really not talking about "homosexuals" here. We're talking about bisexual men. And there have always been quite a lot of them in both "straight" and "gay" porn. And "Tranny" porn as well of course. The heightened HIV risk is brought about because some gay studios actually allow men who are known HIV positive to work with condoms or even bareback with other known HIV positive performers and don't mandate regular std testing. Check out the Kelly Divine YouTube clip I posted previously on the first page of this thread. The Adult Entertainment Business needs to get real and stop pretending that straight and gay porn are two separate industries and mandate regular std testing for all performers.
That's what brought me here. There's no way 75% of male porn stars are bi, if it were 10% their male fan base would be ecstatic. You all are lying to yourselves if you think there's no profit in producing bisexual porn. That's the final frontier and gay guys would buy it if no one else did. We can quote you chapter and verse on who's done gay scenes, bi scenes, double vaginal, double anal, who got hit with friendly fire, who kissed a girl after she sucked a dick, who got their ass ate and enjoyed it and who seems most comfortable sharing a mouth with another dude. We study straight films for just such occurrences. We're the ones buying up all the gangbang porn (why watch a girl with a guy, when you can watch five guys with one girl and increase the penis to vagina ratio, when you're not watching for the girl anyway?) and bi cuckolding flicks because you don't make real bi porn. Well you don't, but Hughey Love at "Spank It Up Videos" does and they're excellent. His shit isn't a forced gimmick like cuckolding that features contrived situations, he films real urban freaks doing bisexual shit incidentally. He had a scene I'd been waiting all my life to see, two straight looking guys were eating the same pussy at the same time and they started tongue kissing as if it were the most natural thing in the world. No big deal was made out of it, and that's how bi porn should be. If you're too "mainstream" to cater to a "niche" market there are other companies who will; and they'll earn the vast disposable income and undying loyalty of their gay fans. You could be making the same money that kept Cher and Bette Midler afloat all these years, but you just won't play your cards right.
So many of the current bi movies from the US are all the cuckold/forced bi genre , really not crazy about that , want to see two guys sharing a woman and each other . However I just watched Bullied Bi Cuckolds 16 , there was a scene with Jinx Maze where she takes an anal , and has the guy put it in and do an atm , was really hot-you don't see that often .
Sorry but no. I love Kelly Divine, but she tottally pull that statistic straight up her ass (what nice ass it is). There is no way that 75% of the male porn stars are bisexual. Without a real research of the manner i don't believe it, sorry.
I question the 75 per cent figure myself but I would probably buy a figure of five to ten per cent of male performers are bi-sexual. Even John Stagliano got fucked up the ass and cream pied by trannies (he used to keep it quiet) -- that is how he got HIV in the first place. As for would more bi-sexual movies sell -- I would say the market has spoken on that front and the answer is no. I believe that is a limited market (of which I am admittedly not a part of) and the current supply may actually be too much for optimal profitability. As for Kelly Divine's observation about most male performers being bi I think she should stick to performing for Kink.com and Intersec where she actually does quite well and leave sociological research to the professionals.
^ I will concede that in the 80's the bi-sexual per centage was more than ten per cent. Nowadays, I think my figure is right on. I also wonder if the 80's were skewed a bit by the drug culture prevalent back then. Load a guy up on cocaine and Dexedrine and he will fuck anything that moves possibly including the family dog. Ron Jeremy and Tom Byron haven't done homosexual scenes in years (if Tom Byron ever did -- I haven't seen any conclusive proof of that one, the only thing I have seen proof of that could be a problem is that he dated and fucked Traci Lords/Kristie Nussman before she was legal). I do believe that Ron Jeremy might actually swing both ways (nothing wrong with that, he seems like a likeable guy nonetheless) but Tom Byron does not come across as gay or bi to me. John Holmes was a character unto himself even before drugs hit him. Marc Wallice is a world class asshole for spreading HIV purposely in the biz during the late 90's, I have also heard rumors of him being gay in real life but cannot confirm them. I don't know enough about Peter North to be able to say anything about him.
Well double anal and double vag isn't really about the cocks rubbing together, it's a about the girls being able to take the most cock possible becoming a true anal/vag queen. So I'd rather called those acts homoerotic/semi bisexual because the intent is not for the guys to pleasure eachother. Some male performers though seem a little too excited to do all those multiple cocks in one hole scenes :p
it's strange to me the female so open minded in sexual intercourses and the male performers so "closed". bisexual will be the next frontier. obviously, like gangbang or DAP, some people will not like it. i'm straight and personally really like almost-bisexual scenes, like double penetrations, blowjobs with cock rubbing each other, rimjobs, rimjobs after sucking another guy dicks. I really want some porn that the focuses its more interaction with men each other, but without gay focus, like a really hard sex with the woman, but some plays with guys.
well I don't , if two males are in a scene they have to touch each other as less as possible , I have no problems with DPs , DAPs, DVPs or gangbangs although some find it as gay , I have no problem in rubbing my own dick onto another placed in the other hole to make the woman feel more of both , but I do not like two males who interact with each other directly , in real life they may do whatever they want I don't care , but in MY porn they have to stay out of reach during the scene and this includes she-males another genre I don't like. I just can't imagine myself in such situation, I wouldn't suck a dick, I would put my dick in another guy's mouth, I wouldn't allow to any male to go near my asshole with his dick (nor his finger for that matter ) especially not that of some very hung shemales.I wouldn't put my dick into another male ass. Hell I wouldn't even allow a woman a strapon or a finger in there. Is bi the future genre? I don't know but I'd be a very poor consumer then. I did see some slightly bi scenes in the cuckold genre but the most part of the scene was straight B/G and the other male was basically looking at the two with very scarce interaction this is my limit
^ LCF, I hope you never have to use a suppository for constipation. I guess if you get constipated I guess you will have to use mineral oil instead if you really don't want a finger (and the suppository) inserted into your ass. Seriously, I don't allow anything larger than my finger inserting a suppository in my ass either (you take morphine and related medication for 35 years and you will be thankful for suppositories, trust me). I think that is a good policy for a straight man to have.
^ well never been constipated in life that I remember of, but I suppose it goes with medicine , I mean none of us would like to be cut by a surgeon yet if needed... I hope to never have troubles with my prostate , I hear the exam is manual (a finger actually) and the prostate is in the rectum... Hell , I really hope to never have any.
What I am still hoping to see is not scenes with obviously gay guys . A Scene with a girl and guy , maybe they try a threesome or invite another guy to watch , and it's a standard M/M/F scene , buy slowly the M/M action develops , maybe suggested by the woman. More along the lines of hey , were hot and horny and just couldn't help ourselves .There are a number of very good erotic e-book series , would love to see some nice well shot porn like this .
I totally agree with this. Are there any scenes like this that you can recommend? Someone earlier in the thread mentioned a studio that focused on real incidental bi situations. Anyone else chime in on this?
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Posted - Nov 14 2014 : 3:04PM
I think the next badly needed genre evolution in porn is what I would call integrated porn(pansexual porn if you will). I agree with the comments about not just having two gay guys and a girl. In the long run I would like to see the bisexual aspect simply become the normative gradient of how porn is presented. A big problem in all this is of course HIV/AIDS. I have my own views on so called HIV that can be considered controversial however that aside we will not have integrated porn until the overall association of bisexuals gays and risk association is dealt with. My idea is this can be solved with health panel tests and naturopathic protocols. But that is another topic. Edited by - Maxxx Stirner on 11/14/2014 3:05:54 PM
An outstanding movie from Aiden Starr / Evil Angel . Bisexual Pick-ups , I haven't been able to finish watching it all yet . Sex is hot , the performers all seem into each other for the most part , not the usual two gay guys and a bored woman . Ingrid Mouth , pretty brunette in the Katie St Ives vein (interestingly , she mentions having rheumatoid arthritis) takes I think her first anal . Daisy Ducati , her first DP . Jeze Belle and Mona wales also their first anal scenes . An occasion issue with wood , but it's by far the best made bi film I have seen in around two decades . All bareback , Aiden did a terrific job , I hope this is the start of more releases . Perhaps this will do for the bisexual genre what Joey Silvera did for T/S vids with the Rouge Adventure series back in the late 80's . The only thing that bothered me , a few of the guy were a bit too "alternative" for my taste . Still , a great job by Aiden , I always like her bbw vids , Marshmallow Girls and Curvy Casting Couch . Edited by - jakejd4949 on 9/5/2015 8:59:07 PM
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Sep 6 2015 : 5:36AM
This thread is pretty funny with random guys on the internet second-guessing the actual real life experiences of performers like Kelly Divine and some oblivious talk about 80s male performers and their motivation for doing queer scenes that seem to not realize that before HIV and AIDS showed up a lot of male performers from the beginning of legit porn switch hit: Paul Thomas, Jamie Gillis, Marc Stevens, George Payne, Wade Nichols, Jack Wrangler, Zeb Colt and others. Edited by - BlackSix on 9/6/2015 5:37:27 AM
Fabulous. I will check this out. For those interested (and this seems to make a big difference according to this thread), the dudes involved (as per iafd) are: Brock Avery, Ciccle Six, Eli Hunter, Jasper Stone, Mike Panic, Ruckus XXX, and Tony Orlando. I've never heard of any of them, but some seem decent.
In another thread, I discussed my reactions to an academic article about women who like MM porn. The female audience for porn in growing in the internet age, and just as a lot of straight guys like watching lesbian porn, it seems a lot of straight women like watching gay porn. It seems the audience for "Bisexual" porn might include some of the same women who now enjoy gay porn. Moreover, I think society at large is becoming less homophobic, and with the rise of the internet, it's much easier to market niche porn. Still, I fear it will remain a niche market until a number of big name female stars are ready to perform bareback with big name male stars. That said, one of my fantasy porn movies is an omnisexual parody of "Rocky Horror Picture Show" including an full-length extra of a screening with a live performance and audience participation.
Speaking as a woman I do enjoy the idea of bisexual men and porn but I honestly think I'm in the minority... I've spoken to GF's and most of them flat out hate the idea of seeing two men together, even if they're involved. Funny how men love seeing two women together but the other way around it isn't the same shared sentiment!
^ I don't think you're in the minority, necessarily. I think it probably depends on a bunch of variables. Lots of women watch gay and bi porn, myself included. I know tons of women who watch it, and as CL posted above there is a new study out about women who watch gay porn.
I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13
Posted - Sep 12 2015 : 11:06PM
I watch gay and bi porn myself, but I tend to be very picky about the men so I don't purchase that content very often. There are a lot of mainstream (ie. "straight") male performers who I'd happily watch in bi scenes, though I doubt that such an option will arise anytime soon.
