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| Chris_Lee New Member 1 Posts 5/05 |  Posted - Jun 17 2005 : 1:11AMThe problem with rough sex videos, as I see is it that they are compounding a wider problem. By rough sex videos, I mean specifically Max Hardcore and Meatholes.com etc. They are not simply about sex, but about normalising a particular mindset. That of borderline rape (I know that Max has simulated that in one title, can't remember the name) and of a more psychological edge which goes beyond typical porn. I think that this is dangerous because if this is someone's whole frame of erotic refference, as it would be if you don't socialise much (i.e. have few friends) and aren't good around women. To have guys with social problems walking around thinking that Meatholes.com is the norm, to me seems pretty dangerous. To say that these people don't have a degree of social responsibility seems short sighted. As does the idea that people are too intelligent to be influenced by porn, because many are not. I am not anti porn (far from it) I just feel that the idea of "community standards" should extend beyond particular acts, to include particular styles of pornography. Given recent changes in regulations, can a war on pornography be so far away? All it takes is a few upside-down heads being throat fucked from "Gag Factor" and surely it makes life more difficult for everyone who produces good work.  [Link] |
| Light Up Member post coital cigarette 51 Posts 7/04 | Posted - Jun 17 2005 : 1:29AM I would have to say though, if someone is having to go to further and further extremes, sex is probably not the answer they're looking for. Everyone has a cut off point, and I for one am not going to judge someone for having a boundary like that which is further down the line.  [Link] |
| Smotherama Member P.O.V. 224 Posts 5/05 | Posted - Jun 17 2005 : 2:13AM [Link] |
| Mienhagen aka Shameless deactivated again Europe 696 Posts 6/04 | Posted - Jun 17 2005 : 3:14AM [Link] |
| threesomebody Official BlowBang Judge Would you like my autograph? 2491 Posts 12/04 | Posted - Jun 17 2005 : 7:08AM [Link] |
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| Zartyr Member 700 Posts 7/04 | Posted - Jun 17 2005 : 8:40AM And I thought I was a big fan of Max Hardcore Edited by - Zartyr on 6/17/2005 8:47:40 AM [Link] |
| Linda Graham11 Member 86 Posts 10/04 | Posted - Jun 17 2005 : 8:55AM [Link] |
| phatbasey Senior Member 1390 Posts 1/05 | Posted - Jun 17 2005 : 9:39AM [Link] |
| Michael Saint Photographer Alexis Texas is always lovely 1062 Posts 2/01 | Posted - Jun 17 2005 : 9:57AM Yes we have had this discussion over and over again. Chris, While porn is a lot bigger then your local conservative politicians would have you believe I do not really buy into the it "normalising" anything statment. For something to become the norm in our society it would take a lot more then for it to appear in a porn movie. Even if it appeared in every porn movie. Also when you get into the more violent crimes such as rape and serial offenders. Almost to a one they all know what they did is wrong they just don't care. They put their needs above the rules of society. And while you and I may think "Gag Factor" approaches the level of rape in their reality it would usually not even be close to what they really desire. Should a producer of anything consider what they are doing first and profit second. Sure in an ideal world they would but let's face it is what Max and Meatholes are doing now any different then what cigarette companies did for generations. Both put profit above other people. Hardly a new concept. [Link] |
| respect Member 200 Posts 11/04 | Posted - Jun 17 2005 : 10:18AM [Link] |
| juha Senior Member 2752 Posts 3/05 | Posted - Jun 17 2005 : 10:41AM Perhaps I should open up my own thread? [Link] |
Hardware  All-Star Member Your other left 14595 Posts 3/02 | Posted - Jun 17 2005 : 11:05AM Having said that, let me hasten to add that the facial is the only thing I've seen in porn that I haven't in real life, and maybe that lapse is just because the women I've been with were swallowers. And to think, all that from people who never watched a porn flick. As for meatholes and Max providing ammunition for the war on porn, undoubtedly they do. However, it would be a mistake to think that they are the cause of that war. [Link] |
| DeRaNgEd Member 22 Posts 6/05 | Posted - Jun 17 2005 : 11:22AM Cheers DeRaNgEd [Link] |
| Rumpled Foreskin Member 310 Posts 5/05 | Posted - Jun 17 2005 : 11:29AM [Link] |
| SOL Member 10 Posts 6/05 | Posted - Jun 17 2005 : 11:42AM I agree with Linda; the widely accepted forms of entertainment are simply that much more effective a means of indoctrination. A lot of it is indeed strategically used as a vehicle for that. It also ties into what could be called an anti-intellectual ethic, with spiritually harmful side effects: non-critically thinking people will mindlessly accept things without question, making for herd mentality, easier control and manipulation. I mean, I'm not trying to make an open endorsement for rape porn, I've never seen any and wouldn't want to because inherent desire for the unorthodox is far more interesting than forcing something on someone, or an issue. That's a turn off. [Link] |
| cobalt60 Knuckle Dragger 2046 Posts 2/03 | Posted - Jun 17 2005 : 1:49PM It's OK as a fantasy once in a while, I suppose, but by having done it unapologetically for so long and continuing to crow about how he's such a revolutionary and everyone else is just jealous of his success, he shows how superficial he really is, financial success aside as an indication of success at being a human being. Anyone with a little initiative and a willing camera operator could do what he's done and does, and I get sick of hearing his schtick about how he's such an originator in a world of imitators. He's not the first, I'm sure he won't be the last, and he's certainly not the best. (That's not a personal attack, by the way, just an observation and opinion.) My thoughts on normalizing a particular mindset, as far as densensitization or mainstream acceptance of what are commonly considered deviant practices: regardless of how many times I see someone get killed in a movie, or skull-fucked in a porn flick, some part of my mind can still differentiate between fantasy and reality. Most people probably can. People who would rape someone, or engage in pedophilia, or beat up girls just to see and hear them cry may very well use pornography that depicts such as a means of justifying (at least in their mind) that their thoughts and desires are normal, and maybe those sights and sounds are all it takes to send them over the edge to act on those thoughts. Perhaps for some it is enough of a vicarious release that it prevents them from acting out. Hopefully, the truth is somewhere in the balance: people who would do these things anyway will do them regardless of what's out there, and those who won't, don't. I doubt you will find it easy to get funding for that research project. Meanwhile, the best way to boycott pornography you don't approve of, or are concerned about other people's mindsets over, is with your almighty dollar. My two cents about savior complexes: some people don't think they need to be saved, and some realize it but don't want to. It's all very noble to be worried about what effect something is having on the rest of the people around you, but it starts with a cliche: self-awareness. Take care of yourself, and everything else is cause and effect. Except, of course, those random blasts of chaos that cause trucks to flip over on your car on the interstate at 80 miles per hour whether you deserved to die or not.
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| Walter Burns Legendary Quoter IAFD, supporters of beastiality. Just say no. 7564 Posts 11/02 | Posted - Jun 17 2005 : 1:54PM Lee O said: "£7 is cheaper than £24 !" (Hey, Lee isn't screwing up his math for once!!) [Link] |
| skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02 | Posted - Jun 17 2005 : 2:02PM My meatholes membership expired and I can't afford the $33.95 anymore. So I guess I no longer really care about the discussion. But C60 has it about right, I think. [Link] |
| SATANICJESUS Member HOLE IN THE WALL CALIFORNIA 13 Posts 6/05 | Posted - Jun 17 2005 : 7:33PM but I think its better when the girl is really into rough sex as opposed to doing it just for the money [Link] |
| Tinaka Member 953 Posts 8/03 | Posted - Jun 17 2005 : 9:24PM The formula goes something like this: People come to this board to wind us all up with this sort of shit and we always fall for it by writing practically a dissertation in response. Edited by - Tinaka on 6/17/2005 9:26:37 PM [Link] |
| Hardware All-Star Member Your other left 14595 Posts 3/02 | Posted - Jun 17 2005 : 10:48PM [Link] |
| cobalt60 Knuckle Dragger 2046 Posts 2/03 | Posted - Jun 17 2005 : 11:48PM [Link] |
| Do Not Filter My Results Member 173 Posts 6/05 | Posted - Jun 18 2005 : 10:32AM [Link] |
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