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miscreant70
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England
39 Posts
9/03
Posted - Jan 3 2004 : 4:48AM
The peculiar issues of UK-based readers.

This board deals almost exclusively with buying material by mail order. Would there be any interest in having a thread for UK folks on the rare occasions you might want to walk into a shop and buy something? Many people may not want to, or are unable to, buy via the Net (no credit card, delivery issues, privacy, etc.)

We can acknowledge that domestic product is inferior to overseas releases - and more expensive. But maybe we could have some recommendations if there are any R18s that are worth a speculative purchase, point out any extras (do any R18s have any?), picture quality, if the title has been changed, etc.

Personally, I would appreciate some discussion. It would be good to know that a good title was available domestically and could be picked up at a lunchtime! (Perhaps a link to a relevant ADT review would help too.)

M.

timotei
Member

UK
271 Posts
4/02
Posted - Jan 3 2004 : 5:18AM
Are you talking about just the R18s that can be bought legitimately in licensed sex shops? If you're near Soho in London, there's plenty of unlicensed outlets for non-R18 porn but the prices are incredibly high compared to mail order from the online shops we discuss here.

As far as R18s go, the range now is pretty good and the cuts are typically minor (in my opinion). The worst aspect of UK R18s is mainly that they remove the original mastering of the DVD and usually the extras are omitted. This relates to Trisha's mention of Evil Angel titles in Europe, where they now want to avoid the local distributors re-mastering the titles and bastardising the complete disc. How this will happen with R18s in the UK, I'll wait to see.

I have bought some R18 versions of Evil Angel titles, and I wouldn't buy any more until they (Harmony) stop butchering the mastering by removing extras. It's unforgivable for EA titles, because there's usually loads of extra footage on the original discs.

There are some decent R18s I've bought, in particular the Viv Thomas discs that are now coming onto the market. Some are g-g but there's a few excellent b-g ones too: Sex Wives and Videotape, and some of the Bubblegum Babes titles. At the moment, it seems to be easier to buy these in the sex shops that it is to buy them online! They have good extras and excellent picture quality.

I don't have many other R18s yet, and since I don't live in London I don't tend to browse the shops very often. My local sex shop has a reasonable range but is way overpriced, so I never bother with it.

Joey Starr
Senior Member

Still wanking after all these years.
8082 Posts
10/00
Posted - Jan 3 2004 : 5:55AM
As for Viv Thomas b-g R18s I'd also recommend "The Sex Analyst" (4 b-g scenes, 1 g-g).

Edited by - joey starr on 1/3/2004 5:55:53 AM

ziniaraya
Member

London
194 Posts
4/03
Posted - Jan 3 2004 : 6:32AM
1. There's loads of R18 material in the London stores and it would be difficult, unless you've already got a lot of material, and just based on box covers alone, not to come away with something worth the £20 (or £16 if you get 3) you'll have to shell out.

2. However, once you've got a few you're expectations will rise and your strike rate will fall. Hence your idea of recommendations. As I read it you mean recommendations out of what is commonly available in the London stores. Does a lot not depend on what you like and what you want to get ? There's no point in us making recommendations of x,y,z type if you like a,b,c type. What type of thing is it you are looking for ? Then people can try and assist by reference to what you can actually get in town.

3. All that said, I would highly recommend R18 Adult Entertainment Robot which you'll get in London. There's no circus acts stuff but it's the best all rounder I got last year. Great girls and outfits, set ups and picture. It's also UK. Timotei is also right that Viv Thomas' stuff is also easier to get in London and cheaper than the internet but, IMO, you have to be quite selective with VT (IMO). There's two Viv threads to pull up from the search function that will assist.

4. Of course, there might be some cuts in some material from US or Europe but that's the R18 territory. You might not like the idea of any cuts, even minor, but specific recommendations won't (Joey's observations about Sex Wives and Video tape aside !) be likely to point you to things that are uncut.

5. I think that minor 'cuts' (a few seconds here and there) are easier to live with, and are different to butchering. Certain studios seem to be prone to getting butchered. I've got 3 R18 Evil Angel titles. Based on what I now know, like Timotei, I would never buy another. From what Tricia says, you may well still have to get your EAs on the internet, but if you can start to order new EA's from the Euro stores at least they will arrive more quickly (and reliably). I am not saying that I would rule out all other R18 US items automatically, but I would carefully read the reviews on the internet to work out what I was or was not going to get for my money.

Edited to add that my observation about EA is, on reflection, based on the difference between the UK product and the US one bought over the internet. Doh. This question is about comparables of what you can get under R18. On that basis, it would be too harsh to say that EA titles under R18 should be avoided - an R18 EA title could still be better than a lousy title from AN Other co. Further, although you might not get he extras, AN Other co might not have had them to begin with.

6. I don't agree that domestic product is more expensive or (necessarily) inferior. The London prices are the same across the board. There are good UK products and there are crap US and Euro products and vice versa. Personally, I like UK products because I like to hear English spoken in an accent I associate with (which is obviously more likely to be the case with UK products).

Z.

Edited by - ziniaraya on 1/4/2004 7:01:26 AM

Tinaka
Member

953 Posts
8/03
Posted - Jan 3 2004 : 6:47PM
The cuts to R18s are usually minor and dont bother me too much (references to spanking, choking, sex in public places are some cuts to what ive bought).

However the real problem with them is that the extras are usually completly missing. I posted months ago about how Harmony told me the cut them out to keep costs down becuase they have to pay by the minute for the BBFC classification. They said it wasnt worth the extra cost.

The R18 fashionistas is seriously censored (the BDSM stuff), by about 20 something minutes. It has none of the extras, only the film and costs £50 or more from Harmony. So for this film i just had to get it imported. Well worth it!
I now import all the time now for the originals and have even replaced a couple of dvds.

R18s are are also not widly available enough. Where i live there are no shops anywhere near to buy them from. I used to buy them from Taboo's site but they had to stopselling them via mail order. Then i used HarmonyXXX which was great.
Does anyone know how they get away with selling R18's through mail order? They are one of the biggest (or biggest) sex shops in London so i would nt have thought they would risk their lisence or anything.

The biggest improvemnt R18s could have would be to make reduce the cost of getting the film classified and to makem more widley available.

Also, "18" certificated films are "strictly for adults only". "R18" certificated films are "strictly for adults only".
So my question is how is the "restriction" justified. Its as if the 18 certificated is: "18 (not really)"

 
Joey Starr
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8082 Posts
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Posted - Jan 3 2004 : 6:51PM
Good point!
Joey Starr
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Posted - Jan 4 2004 : 5:25AM
For Viv Thomas DVDs the best shop is "Soho Original Bookshop", the one close to the Liverpool St station they have good stock almost all titles at reasonable prices.

Joey

PS : Thanks Z for pointing to this source!

Edited by - Joey Starr on 1/4/2004 5:25:22 AM

Tinaka
Member

953 Posts
8/03
Posted - Jan 4 2004 : 7:35PM
I remember a school trip to London i went on a couple of years ago. The teachers sent us to Soho while they went to a bar. No one went to the the Soho Original Book shop because they thought it was just a normal book shop.



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