Exactly. The girls sometimes look bored (despite their best efforts at acting) when they are with the average white pornstar. It's not surprising because they have had sex with this kind of guy so many times. However put them with a sexy well hung black guy and they don't look so bored anymore. That said, some black performers like Mandingo are too big and it's no good if the girl can't take them balls deep. Justin Slayer would have to be my favorite, his Just Fuckin series is great.The only reason is because it isn't really economically viable to be in American or European porn and not have sex with white guys. I imagine in Japanese porn there are plenty of girls who have never had sex with a white guy because they wouldn't loose much bussiness from doing this. It might not be fair but that's the way things are and no one is forced to do porn.
I've heard this argument before from those who don't understand history, so let me say:
Do you have any idea why the NAACP, The UNCF, Miss Black America, et al were formed? Because blacks historically didn't have any representation for their political, educational, and other areas of interests to be properly represented in a majority White country. And if you were aware of the history of blacks in this country you would know that.
And understand that if whites were to become an oppressed minority the aforementioned groups for them would naturally arise and flourish because they would be needed. But, they haven't ergo they aren't.
Edited by - T0201 on 4/23/2007 4:16:49 AM
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Posted - Apr 23 2007 : 1:50PM
I'm not that interested in the post because this has all been rehashed over and over and no one on either side is going to change their opinion but that must have been a Bob Beaman long jump across the border of civil discourse for Panzer to bring out the standards of decency phrase.
mod: Devon_3, please be a little more judicious with the bolding. If somebody doesn't grasp your point the first time then bolding it isn't going to make any difference.
Not having heard any porn starlets dodge interracial in interviews I can't comment on their grasp of logic, or lack thereof. However, I can say that if you are upset by somebody having sex with farm animals and think they must be pretty fucked up in the head then I'm not sure why you care what their opinion on race is.
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Posted - Apr 29 2007 : 8:40AM
I'm find it interesting that no one has started a thread: The reason Porn is SENSIBLE and GREAT.
Clam Digger, you blast the IR genre itself, totally ignoring the fact that many White porn companys are behind the archaic clichéd ghettoized genre of IR porn while refusing to acknowledge that Black American performers like Mr Marcus, Sean Michaels, Lexington Steel and Jack Napier don’t perform those type of scenes. So you try to play smart by ‘wording’ your thread topic below as if you are a Blackman, hoping it would give you a ‘free pass’ to blast the WHOLE IR genre and ATTACK it’s Black fans.
Here below is your thread topic which makes out you're Black.
Here below, you your post on another thread saying you're a Whitman.
You come across to everyone on this forum as a complete thick dumbass because you copied few sections of SMG,s halfbacked crap on his website, and came bursting in here trying to PROJECT his one-sided views on us without doing your own homework on the subject. Even the original idiot writer from that site 'SMG' had to jump in your stupid thread and try to correct his bullshit by naming the aforementioned positive Black performers of the IR genre,.. but it's too little to late.
Here's proof that you're an ignorant dumbass.
1) You slam IR without separating the positive from the negative and focused 100% on the negative (and you didn't even get that fully correct) so it actally negates your bullcrap.
2) Because you are so deluded into thinking that the majority or IR viewers are Blackmen, you attack them with your tired old White supremacist "I'm more intelligent than you" stance.
Here's news for you Clam Digger, archaic, clichéd and ghettoized genre of IR porn that plays on the worst racial stereotypes are made by WHITEMEN for carnal lust of WHITEMEN. Argue your case against those White producers but DON'T also slam the good respectable IR or its Black viewers.
Edited by - devon_3 on 4/30/2007 10:43:06 AM
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Posted - Apr 29 2007 : 12:37PM
Devon_3 When you first popped up on my radar screen I thought that the problem was reading comprehension, you have now convinced me that there is a problem with your meds, or the lack thereof.
The proposition that was voiced by SMG on his blog was just copied to the thread that I started is frankly off the wall. The entire article was LINKED for anyone to read in its entirety.
The reason why the concept of IR is described as stupid, IMHO, is that race as as a means of classifying humans beings has no basis in biology or genetics. Would the concept of race be valid if it was based on eye color instead of skin color? I think not. As was mentioned in the other thread there is a greater difference between tall people and short people then there is between northern Europeans and Africans.
Because minstrel shows were once considered popular and perhaps good business, where they any less racist?
Additionally, based on an impartial reading of the posts on this thread or the other, that you could conclude that you speak for everyone clearly portrays a delusional arrogance that is breath taking to behold.
How anyone could conclude that I believe that the majority of IR viewers are black or that I am a racist or a white supremacistbased on anything that I have written on this forum is beyond belief. Just to be clear porn by and large is aimed at the so called white male. Additionally the mandingo thing is based on white male fantasies and has existed long before the VCR was invented.
That you appear to be unable to approach this subject thoughtfully and calmly without resorting to the pejorative speaks volumes about you.
You came crashing in this forum "charged up" with SMG's half-baked notion(BULLCRAP) without offering any analysis, knowledge or solution. In other words, you came in pointing and waving your finger screaming like a wild man bashing IR with absolutely NOTHING to support your argument.
Clam Digger, if you're hell bent on attacking things, then here below is a good worthwhile target to get your claws into.
Hush Hush Entertainment (White company) Responsible for the vast majority of the WORST racially offensive IR titles and movies out there in the porn market, hands down. They are a ROGUE IR movie company and they specialize in propagating old racist fears. If they went bust today, Black people wouldn't miss them. You most probably could search them up on the web. These guys are the REAL CULPRITS.
My reading of that "we" is we Americans not we black people. The fact that Clam switched from "we" to "black men" is an indication of changing perspective from the general to the specific.
At the very least, the sentence is open to interpretation, in which case it is always better to ask for clarification.
The NOTION of "interracial" is inherently offensive. There is one race: human. The rest is shading.
I'm white and can think of a shitload of non-caucasian women I'd bang in a heartbeat: Jessica Alba, Halle Berry, Mya, Megan Good, Sofia Vergara, Mallika Sherewat, that no-talent Sanjaya's gorgeous sister, about a dozen JAV actresses... beauty knows no racial bounds.
The problem with porn "IR" is that, like the rest of this lazy, lowest common denominator industry, it caters to gross stereotypes. Nothing but hood/gangster imagery. I found a recent BF/WM clip with a young ebony cutie, but she did a voiceover and sounded totally ghetto. It was so off-putting. Call it a hunch, but I don't think Heather Hunter became a huge name in this industry by coming off like a gangbanger.
It's about the money. As long as it sells, someone will make it. The point being screamed about in this thread is who's responsible for the stereotypical content.
I submit that Devon_3 is correct, the white males who dominate both the market, and the porn producing companies are the ones pushing for more "thuggish" behavior and caricatures in IR porn. Now, whether or not that argument is relevant or not is debatable. Would racially derisive IR be any better if Black people produced it? Probably not.
As far as Clam Digger goes, he's just playing Devon_3. Clam's emotional investment in this issue doesn't extend beyond his desire to rile Devon_3 up...
The problem with statements such as "The NOTION of "interracial" is inherently offensive. There is one race: human. The rest is shading." is that even tho' they sound nice but are not true. You can as well say that there's no difference between Americans and Germnans, Nigerians or Japanese because we're all people after all. But in reality there's definitely a difference.
Social groups are formed in order to pronounce the difference between "us" and "them". When your ancestors brought Africans in chains to America there was no such thing as African American identity. Those slaves spoke different languages, came from different cultures that varied from primitive nomadic tribes to relative developed kingdoms. Sometimes they despited other slaves from different tribe more then they hated their white masters. And even after the abolition of slavery the black people had been second class citizens till 1960s and in some aspects even now they aren't equal to whites.
The only way for them to survive in the white world was to form their own African American identity, or in other words to "stick to their own kind". If you're asking them to give up their "blackness" you're in just naive. They can't just say "I've been wrong for all my life" and become white. And white people will never accept them as a part of "our group". In some other society where race would have never been an issue it could probably be possible but in America sex between white person and black person will always be "interracial sex".
What I think is wrong with "interracial sex" is that is does not portrait just sex between let's say a white girl and a black dude but often between spoiled arian blond daddy's princess and a blackzilla:). Nothing erotic about it, it's just stupid crap for the stupid people that are jerking of to the idea of dominance, power over the said girl...
I'm not sure what constitutes thuggish in most people's minds, but by my definition there are more white males in porn that I'd like to take a poke at for their 'thuggish behavior' than black males.
Granted, I don't run out and view every 'interracial' title that gets released. I could not care less if it's IR. I only care if it has one of my gals in it and whether her scene is any good.
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Posted - Apr 29 2007 : 8:26PM
Well duh. The people who produce a product are usually the ones responsible for it.
The argument that it sells doesn't hold up because it's more like settling for something. They make a lazy effort and produce garbage based on stereotype, without bothering to experiment and see if doing something else might actually sell better.
Although I'm willing to bet Heather Hunter outsold all of the 'ghetto ho' porn that's produced by a wide margin, and she sure didn't do that shit.
Face it. This industry is lazy. It takes the path of least effort and settles for what it gets.
Of course the industry is lazy, why do you think people make porn in the first place? Because they're too lazy to get real jobs.
Heather Hunter was also a contract girl, and not trying to make ends meet in today's market. If she were, her options would be limited. And yes, she would be in titles with the words "booty", "ho", and "bitch" in them. Or, she would not be working very much...
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Posted - Apr 29 2007 : 11:37PM
Duh back atcha. Which came first, the ebony porn girls or movies with "bitches," "hoes" and "booty" in the title, and who made it?
Dude you need to do more research about Devon. SHE has given many conflicting reasons as to why she is a dodger. The First one she mentioned was the financial one,the second one was the issue of Death threats. She claimed a friend of hers did IR and she got death threats for that.So she confirmed that she will ''never'' do IR. She can't clarify herself any further than that.
Again like Ramsey said,dodge the dodgers.
mod: removed quoted material that wasn't related to the point being responded to. Once again, please don't quote entire posts when a portion will do. Thanks.
Wow,I can't believe I'm reading this. I've checked out all your posts on this subject and my Jaws have dropped. Anyways,thanks for your contributions into this thread so far. I thought I knew you,but onbviously I was bloody wrong. I'm sure Shortgun Styles ,must be scratching his head too.
Let ME JUST say something here. Firstly,I do not intend on dating or marrying a Jewish Girl. But If I was a male pornstar,I will have no problems at all in working with Dephne Rosen or Britney Stephens.Why coz,Porn is a job and I believe in Professionalism. Take note I did not say that all Jewish Girls are unatractive,coz there are so many hot JEWISH girls out there.Even though my prefrance in marrying and dating is determined by my convictions,working is a different subject altogether.If someone paints one whole race as Unattractive and refuses to work with them on the sole basis of Race,then that person is definately racist. People should be happy to work with anyone who is Professional and not draw any color lines. Thats why I respect the Katjas,Sandra Romains,Calli Cox ETC. To quote Calli Cox,''a dick is a dick regardless of color''. We need more Girls like these in Porn today,we are tired of the Tory Lanes,Harmony's of this world who can't understand that simple notion.
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Posted - Apr 30 2007 : 3:48AM
Exactly
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the unknown pervert Deactivated User
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Posted - Apr 30 2007 : 4:10PM
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True, but I do not believe there are any races in the world where every male in that race is involved in porn either.
I don't really think there is a good excuse for not doing interacial anymore. It doesn't hurt the girls' careers, that's been proven time and time again. The "big" issue is stupid because the girls are already working with large white guys and only the biggest black guys are that much bigger. And like you said the not finding black guys attractive is a racist excuse, expecially concidering how many white guys these girls have worked with that they probably wouldn't concider attractive. I'm sorry I don't buy any of this.