Edited by - genesim on 8/19/2018 3:56:59 PM

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Edited by - BlackSix on 3/21/2019 1:47:29 AM

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I haven't checked the forum lately so please I apologize for my delay.

1. I am confused by the horror titles for outselling hardcore titles. Based on what? From what has been released, the horror titles have far out numbered the adult titles on bluray, but also what has been released I wouldn't call exactly sex based. Subjective...sure, but Her Name was Lisa, Corruption...Memories Within Miss Aggie?? Seriously? History based cult status..sure, but spank material really??? Yeah right. This is not a fair comparison at all.

2. I love dreary films too, but I love good sex more. Irrelevant? To who? to the paying public that kept porn alive for many many decades? GTFO? Good sex is important, and it is a sad sad thing that torture and the like takes a front seat to Americans that are a sick fucked up twisted lot. Sorry, just my opinion, and I would hate to see my opinion deleted yet again. Put up the serious challenge, have sex equaled to horror and the let the games begin on who sell better.

3. 2 Inch Tape is analog. It is not the same quality of DVD in any way shape or form. This is scientific. There are millions of aluminum oxide particles that prove this. The quality didn't suddenly drop off because of some modern idiotic mentality that believes it so. I have covered this ad nauseam elsewhere and the group think isn't going to be convinced, let alone convincing anyone here. It is as stupid as trying to get people to convert Sesame Street episodes. Either you get that it was captured analog or not, it is that simple. It is a scientific fact that the quality is absolutely there, and DVD is a far far smidgeon of the original quality and and 8 gigs will not and never do it justice, I don't care how many digital religious buffs try to make it so.

Shot on tape has a quality that is just "different" than an HD broadcast, and thank goodness for that. I was watching Karate Kid in a 4K scan and my jaw just dropped at the quality that a current Shameless episode could never achieve. Writing that off as some kind of miss in detail is severely losing the point. Old porn should be scanned in as good as quality as possible. The 4K scan of Maniac is proof positive of that (and that was only 16 mm). Use your eyes people. I have been banned from a great many boards because I state the fucking truth. The dip in quality from the streaming sheep is just plain old sad, and you can see it on other boards. They push for mediocrity, and that is exactly what they get.

4. I think all peekarama should be released on bluray, but that is my opinion, but if it does I will be buying in force. Just like many many other salivate (look at the youtube clips for fuck's sake) for the few peekarama put out like Sweet Young Foxes/Young Like It Hot that was wasted in a limited edition. There were class A titles that were basically thrown away on half hazard compilations instead of cherished in their own releases, while basic torture porn was given front row center.

This is all just my opinion and sorry that it offends, but if you want the truth you aren't going to get it in censored forums. Sex sells and will always outsell horror if done correctly. That remains to be seen if this will ever be done right. I love Vinegar Syndrome but I refuse to have history be glossed over as if it didn't happen.

People that have managed video stores, the whole internet, etc... no one in their right mind can ever be truly serious in thinking that horror could ever outdo sex films sales! It is a promotion scheme and comparing a handicap runner (sex) to a Carl Lewis on steroids (horror) given every possible advantage is called the winner?

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p.s. I want to state that while what I have said is very blunt, it is not meant to insult anyone here or anyone that has posted. This is not personal, but rather a general overview as I see it. Sorry if it comes off as offensive.

Edited by - genesim on 4/14/2019 6:49:14 PM

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Regarding #1 (and #2 actually) it seems very clear that specific hardcore titles may outsell horror titles but overall the hardcore does not sell as well as horror. Therefore, VS are choosing to focus on super duper great films that are hardcore because those are the hardcore titles that sell well. What constitutes "good sex" is indeed subjective so it is pointless trying to have that debate. Sex World is imo one if the sexiest films ever made. It's also probably dreary according to some. I don't know. But I think everyone can agree that it is completely fantastic as a film.

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As for not relating or being just opinion. Which part? I think I made it clear that some of what I said was my opinion but restating implies there was more????

The difference with DVD is that the free shit is a hard competition. But comparing horror films to sex on bluray is flat out silly when so few exist.

As for Sex World we are in complete agreement on it being a great film and the sales prove my point all the more. Was there any killing or torture that I can't remember? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the titles that are sex based getting more notice.

Not that I think grit and edgy story etc should never take place but when it gets to the point of being the focus and it stops being a sex film well that makes all this jazz about horror outselling sex fall flat.

What is comical about this discussion is how sex sells the horror titles too. Take out the t&a in the Vinegar Syndrome and they are lots of titles that would flat out not be bought.

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I hope we can at least both agree that Vinegar Syndrome is a great company and ANY porn on bluray is at least a great step.

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Actually, MEMORIES was one of the better selling hardcore Blus of 2018! On the other hand...more sex heavy titles like MARY MARY, TRASHY LADY, and TINSELTOWN haven't performed much better than the misery fueled ones.

2. I love dreary films too, but I love good sex more. Irrelevant? To who? to the paying public that kept porn alive for many many decades? GTFO? Good sex is important, and it is a sad sad thing that torture and the like takes a front seat to Americans that are a sick fucked up twisted lot. Sorry, just my opinion, and I would hate to see my opinion deleted yet again. Put up the serious challenge, have sex equaled to horror and the let the games begin on who sell better.

Ah, the Rimmer philosophy of 'why do people love perverse acts of violence but shun depictions of consensual lust?' I think from a buying perspective, it's a lot harder for the average cult film fan to wrap their head around buying a sex focused film than a horror film with T&A. They all want the T&A, but there's still often a degree of moral (?) superiority leveled against sex films. As such, when a sex film overlaps with horror, it becomes more palatable for the average cult film fan to experiment. It's worth noting, that the more horror/cult crossover sex films have generally performed better than the more overtly sex focused ones.

3. 2 Inch Tape is analog. It is not the same quality of DVD in any way shape or form. This is scientific. There are millions of aluminum oxide particles that prove this. The quality didn't suddenly drop off because of some modern idiotic mentality that believes it so...I was watching Karate Kid in a 4K scan and my jaw just dropped at the quality that a current Shameless episode could never achieve. Writing that off as some kind of miss in detail is severely losing the point. Old porn should be scanned in as good as quality as possible. The 4K scan of Maniac is proof positive of that (and that was only 16 mm). Use your eyes people. I have been banned from a great many boards because I state the fucking truth. The dip in quality from the streaming sheep is just plain old sad, and you can see it on other boards. They push for mediocrity, and that is exactly what they get.

I'm strictly talking lines of resolution here...I didn't mean that a 2 inch tape is DVD quality, but that both formats max out at resolutions far lower than HD, and as such, presenting them in HD will inherently require upresing. I've done plenty of 4K scans of 16mm and it's not a great analogy as well exposed 16mm film can hold the equivalent of 3K+ worth of resolution, so 4K scanning will no doubt allow for greater detail capture. Also, unlike digital upresing, film scanners work by the sensor on the scanner recording each frame in a set resolution. The image capture is not upresing. You can scan 8mm in 4K and, although there's no way the film itself will have 4K's worth of detail, the scan itself will still be legitimately 4K in resolution.

4. I think all peekarama should be released on bluray, but that is my opinion, but if it does I will be buying in force. Just like many many other salivate (look at the youtube clips for fuck's sake) for the few peekarama put out like Sweet Young Foxes/Young Like It Hot that was wasted in a limited edition. There were class A titles that were basically thrown away on half hazard compilations instead of cherished in their own releases, while basic torture porn was given front row center.

You're right on that double. Lee always moves discs so we probably woulda done better on that one in the long run had it been a standard Blu. On the other hand, most of the DVD only releases perform about the same as the average hardcore Blu, when compared over an extended period...

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I know I am preaching to the choir here, but I like saying it over and over because there has been far too much misinformation that DVD is enough to capture video tape. WRONG.

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Henri Pachard's Mascara and Roger Watkins' The Pink Ladies are both coming to Blu-ray from Vinegar Syndrome in August. And unless things have changed, we are supposed to get the first DVD release from Vinegar Syndrome's new Peekarama Label in August as well.

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I am very excited by the 2 new releases posted here, Lisa De Leeuw is so hot. One of the best covers ever!

Looks like the Vinegar Sydrome sale did well by adult titles. As of this post, Skinflicks under 400, Memories within Miss Aggie under 200, Volume 3 NINE LEFT?? (while volume 4 Horror is over 400 still), Babyface 2 108, Mary Mary Sold out, Volume 1 sold out (which again sold out considerably faster than volume 2), Taboo II and III 83 left, Taboo Sold out, Trashy Lady 400, Blue Ice 209 etc...

It is a shame that more Peekarama doesn't go to bluray because the answer to me is clear. For titles that have more veterans (and not weighted down by one offs that are not into it) and often are sex based, the market is obviously there and doing quite well. So basically it is not that DVD's are going to stop being produced, it is that there is going to be segregation to pull eyes away from the main site???

The only thing that I can think of is that perhaps this is a tester market and the more popular ones will go to bluray. But there again, you end up gouging the people that buy DVD to have anything from their favorite movie, while basically squandering money that could have went to better quality.

I wish DVD would just DIE already. It is pure insanity to buy the lesser release when better is out there. And yet, there sits DVD releases like Dracula Sucks or The Ribald Tales having more special features and alternate version of the films while the bluray gets stuck on a compilation AND having nothing extra. Both of those titles have been severely cut down in price for a long time and still haven't sold out, yet they have all the bells and whistles?

It is what it is.

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This is really quite sad because I found Mascara to be a very interesting film indeed.

Again, the separate adult DVD line will hurt sales/releases of bluray. It is a shame that the DVD's that are included are not dropped completely from the release to cut down cost/price.

Guess I can wish in one hand and shit in the other... lol

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Yes, we are very well aware of how you feel about their DVDs at this point.

Edited to add, based on their initial expectations, there are four more still coming (unless they don't count Fleshpot) since I believe the expectation was 12. This could have changed over the course of the year.

In addition, supposedly the debut Peekarama DVD is still coming, although that seems to be delayed at this point, hopefully not canceled completely.

Edited by - flash on 8/11/2019 11:28:20 AM

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On a brighter note, I finally got around to watching Memories within Miss Aggie today. I was floored. This was a really great release. While I do criticize the glum nature of a lot of porn releases, there is no denying a really good movie in any light.

Vinegar Syndrome's quality is unreal and I am glad to own this one.

As for where I saw the schedule, I perhaps have jumped the gun looking at comments posted elsewhere. My mistake with that as well... if I am truly mistaken.

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Somehow missed that Afternoon Delights was released in a Peekarama, can't find it anywhere except on VS site which has really high shipping rates, although I know they now offer a deal if you order $100 or more.

Next payday I'll order Mascara and the Ferrara film on blu.

Edited by - BlackSix on 9/21/2019 12:07:24 AM

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Lisa De Leeuw looked incredible for me.

I am still on the fence with the Let My Puppets Come, but it is so weird that it is hard to pass up. Vinegar Syndrome has so many good releases coming, that I am salivating in regards to the blind buy flash sale.

Edited by - genesim on 9/25/2019 10:58:18 PM

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