My first post here and I've just gotta get an answer to this question I've had for some time. I've been watching porn for about 18 years now and have noticed over the last several years that it's difficult to find a descently shot movie nowadays where we get to see all the girl. It seems all these directors like to do is film extremely close up shots and keep the camera there for the duration of the movie-how boring! The distributor "Collateral Damage" is notorious for this and even though they cast really hot looking chicks, I won't ever waste my money there again. At least shoot a variety of shots. In addition to these closeups, they also tend to always film from the floor up. What happened to the classic angle shot from the center where we can see all of the girl? Maybe I'm getting too fussy in my old age but do you guys really like this stuff the way it's shot? It seems harder and harder to find a good director-Michael Ninn's movies used to be shot good but even he's falling more and more into this type of filming. Andrew Blake is a classic example. His movie "Night trips" was awesome the way it was shot. Now whenever he does shoot a straight scene (hardly ever anymore), the editting is so lame. Why aren't there more directors like Suzie Randall anymore?
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DenverDon Benevolent
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Posted - Apr 14 2005 : 10:13PM
Hi maccer,
Welcome to the forum.
You mentioned Blake and Randall, so you might be interested in going through the Feature forum. There might be some more things for you there along the 'classic' lines you describe.
Also I would suggest reading reviews. Try and find a reviewer that sees things the same way you do, and then you have found a gold mine. One reviewer by the name of "Flash" comes to mind as a classics reviewer.
Read the review presently posted for "FIne Ass Babes 3 (F.A.B.S)" on the main page. Hopefully I'm part of the solution, not part of the problem. Somehow a ten minute closeup of a girl's vagina or anus being bludgeoned into oblivion just doesn't do it for me. The girl also has arms, legs and a face. For some reason these often go overlooked nowadays.
A good all-sex series that focuses on everything a woman has to offer is "Naughty College School Girls". A recent installment was reviewed some days ago. Andre Madness is another frequent all-sex director who does a lot of full-body shots.
Maccer , you are absolutely right. I find that the camera work in most videos these days is terrible. I figure that it is the director who tells the cameraman how to shoot so he/she must be part of the problem , right ?
The never ending movement, zooming back and forth , focusing on extreme close ups is very annoying but it seems to have become the standard.
You asked if guys like the way porn is shot ? Well , I don't ... I hate it , but not enough people complain so they will always do it.
Cameraman that David Luger and Vince Vouyer uses is bad, or are they with camera, anyway camera work in those films are similar. It's too much like: Penetration close up >moves fast to> Face close up >back quickly to> Penetration close up. So it's like: ass > face > ass > face > ass > face.
-Mike Quasar is maybe best Cameraman there is, another Review that describes how good he is. -Mike John's POV Pervert movies are fantastic. -Cameramans that Simon Wolf -company uses: Jack Remy and Michael Bruno also do good job.
But then it's maybe too soon me to say anything about other ones, because i have seen only 1 or 2 of their movies.
Mike Quasar is being far too modest. Zero Tolerance – especially Mike Quasar – ARE part of the solution! Whether directing, or shooting camera for other directors, the Mike Quasar touch is porn magic
Porn studio names are as confusing as the girl's names. Mike Quasar... Mike Quasar... Samson... same guy.
I think you would like ZT's Strip Tease then Fuck series... start with volumes 3 and 4. Directed by Wendi Knight with Mike Quasar on camera. Be sure to watch the behind the scenes stuff (Quase is hysterical, IMHO).
Also, check out ZT's Fishnets directed by Greg Alves with camera by Mike Quasar... awesome.
Cheap talent, cheap cameras, cheap editing, cheap replication, etc. mean it's easier than ever to make porn; which means it's easier than ever to make bad porn.
Mike Quasar is a part of the solution. I'd like to think that Comstock Films is a part of the solution. A bigger part of the solution is ADT, which allows porn fans to tell each other what's good and what sucks. The biggest part of the solution is for porn fans to take themselves and their wanking seriously, and not pay for bad porn.
All the movies recommended I've seen and am a fan on. It's good to get descent advice for a change. I've learned not to trust reviews posted on most cover boxes-especially AVN. Their taste must be completely different than mine. I'll have to check out some reviews recommended here since I've been so pessimistic about reading them in the past. As far as Gonzo movies, I love them when they're shot well. It's just so hard to see a well shot film. Peter North's North Pole series is a great example. Rent some of his earlier ones and they're shot great. His newest ones seem to falter into these close-ups and low shots focussing up. What the hell happened to Randy West's series? I know he felt he was getting old so get some other actors to fill in dude! His movies were awesome. Thanks for the advice.
Oops, forgot to mention.....yes. Zero Tolerance rocks! Keep up the good work. Those strip tease and .... latest editions are some of my favorites. Great casting too! My only complaint is I don't see enough of them. Keep making them and I'll keep paying for them. Keep up the good work.
I think John Leslie is about the best director out there as far as making the action and talent look good. He has a great eye for lighting, and he even makes girls that I really don't care for look good.
With apologies to the trailblazing work of Alex DeRenzy, if that is the mantra of NJ. Films, color one customer lost.
We have this discussion about every six months between those that love the closeups, and those like me that love the more full body shots.
As one who enjoys porn for the women's body first, the more I see of it, the better. Interminable closeups of any aspect; genital, facial, or otherwise, bore me to distraction, and will have me on the fastfoward button as quick as I can find it. It's one of the reasons that I'm not a big POV guy either. And editing that takes me from one closeup aspect, directly to another is very annoying as well. I see the need for closeups and understand their value, but most gonzo, (and I will NEVER go to features), just stays locked on too long. And I would much rather see a pan or zoom in and out when transitioning, than direct cuts from genital closeup to facial closeup and back.
Also tired of interminable low angle and up angle shots as well. Above the action frontal and side shots are MUCH BETTER, because again, my objective is the entire female body and it's movement. My final complaint is with blowjob shooting. Yeah, I know where the action is, and it's gonna be ninety percent closeup, and or POV, but directors PLEASE back away for awhile and give us entire body shots as well of boy standing - girl kneeling blowjobs. That is the most erotic vision in porn for me, and we get that only when they are first undressing, or when they are transitioning from blowjob to fucking. The rest of the time we're pretty much in the girl's nostrils.
BSD
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Gotta give some props. The people at Evil Angel, especially the crews that shoot with Justin Slayer and Jules Jordan do a good job with panoramic views and angles of the action. In the last two JS joints I've seen, his cameraman has done a wonderful, slow 360 degree walk around the action during boy-girl doggies, stopping at various aspects, that were just magnificent. Really captured the emotion as well as glorious action. Really good stuff.