Things go very wrong in a JAV video

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Ordell Deactivated User 1042 Posts 6/05	Posted - Dec 26 2007 : 3:08PM Some of you are familiar with Maria Ozawa, the half Japanese/half caucasian porn star in Japan. She was with S1, the JAV equivalent to Vivid, for a while and then took a real hardcore turn by doing rape and piss videos. Well, her latest adventure went pretty bad. It was supposed to be a DP video (cover here). She handled the anal penetration ok but the DP went real bad. She started crying and her facial expression made it clear she wanted them to stop. Eventually they gave up on the vaginal penetration and just did the anal. It's not very pretty and turned off a lot of JAV fans, who are already upset that she went down such a road to begin with. I'm amazed it was even released. So my question is, have such meltdowns on film been released in the US? [Link]
rogrtipe RogReviews.com 1103 Posts 11/99	Posted - Dec 26 2007 : 5:55PM Wow, that sounds pretty bad. There have been some big melt-downs in BTS stuff, especially on JM sets. The worst one I remember in a movie was in one of the World Sex Tour flicks. (Can't seem to find the review, sorry.) Lex and another guy (Jon Dough I think) working with two girls. One of them says early that Lex is too big for anal. They talk her into it, but she can't take it, cries and the whole thing just seems really sad. Rog Rog Reviews [Link]
stinkfist Senior Member Subterfuge...... 7401 Posts 4/07	Posted - Dec 26 2007 : 8:07PM Are you talking about jav titles only ordell..if not then check this thread for Da Bellas take on her film Da Bellas Young Fellas.. De Bella.. Edited by - stinkfist on 12/26/2007 8:07:59 PM [Link]
DOAPL Member 13 Posts 10/07	Posted - Dec 27 2007 : 6:22AM What is sure is that JAV is going way too far sometimes, we already saw some jav actresses going piss, scat and even animals after few years/months of carreer.... this is way more brutal than US market I guess. http://pornloverdiary.blogspot.com/ [Link]
dead horse Most Beaten Member 305 Posts 6/06	Posted - Dec 27 2007 : 9:40AM where do you buy the JAV videos? [Link]

DOAPL Member 13 Posts 10/07	Posted - Dec 27 2007 : 10:40AM http://asianscreens.com/ one of the best jav site outside japan ;) http://pornloverdiary.blogspot.com/ [Link]
dead horse Most Beaten Member 305 Posts 6/06	Posted - Dec 27 2007 : 10:46AM why does it tell you their blood type ( I hope that isn't a really stupid question) [Link]
Ordell Deactivated User 1042 Posts 6/05	Posted - Dec 27 2007 : 11:49AM It's a form of typing, like horoscopes. The Japanese believe that blood type is a measure of personality. Each type has their own persona. [Link]
dead horse Most Beaten Member 305 Posts 6/06	Posted - Dec 27 2007 : 11:50AM thank you [Link]
dresta Member 15 Posts 9/07	Posted - Dec 27 2007 : 3:26PM Ordell wrote: Some of you are familiar with Maria Ozawa, the half Japanese/half caucasian porn star in Japan. She was with S1, the JAV equivalent to Vivid, for a while and then took a real hardcore turn by doing rape and piss videos. Well, her latest adventure went pretty bad. It was supposed to be a DP video (cover here). She handled the anal penetration ok but the DP went real bad. She started crying and her facial expression made it clear she wanted them to stop. Eventually they gave up on the vaginal penetration and just did the anal. It's not very pretty and turned off a lot of JAV fans, who are already upset that she went down such a road to begin with. I'm amazed it was even released. So my question is, have such meltdowns on film been released in the US? Click to expand do you have any idae what the name of this title is [Link]
dresta Member 15 Posts 9/07	Posted - Dec 27 2007 : 3:28PM Mod: Request for piracy deleted. Please don't ask for any form of file sharing on here again. Adult DVD Talk does not allow or endorse piracy in any way or form. Doing so repeatedly will result in your account being terminated. Additionally, please don't quote entire posts. Especially when they're right above your reply. ESPECIALLY when you're the one who posted the post you've quoted. I've taken the liberty of removing it for you. Thank you. - scipio Edited by - scipio on 12/28/2007 5:33:25 AM [Link]
Anadin Member 307 Posts 4/05	Posted - Dec 27 2007 : 3:47PM dresta wrote: r u able to upload this dvd onto removed by mod Click to expand You do realise that there are porn stars and porn producers on this site? Mod: Let's not quote the details of things like that, eh? - scipio Edited by - scipio on 12/28/2007 5:30:05 AM [Link]
Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02	Posted - Dec 27 2007 : 4:06PM The worst one I remember in a movie was in one of the World Sex Tour flicks. (Can't seem to find the review, sorry.) Lex and another guy (Jon Dough I think) working with two girls. One of them says early that Lex is too big for anal. They talk her into it, but she can't take it, cries and the whole thing just seems really sad. Click to expand Didn't these Anabolic guys from that time (Lex, Everhard and Voyuer) also abuse Aspen Brock to the point where started to cry? I hated these guys ever since! [Link]
Gunzo Senior Member 1377 Posts 2/05	Posted - Dec 27 2007 : 5:03PM Turned off? Guess it turns some other folks on... As I know, JAV-girls get payed shitloads... they have no good reason to decline. There's a reason why so many do so much... [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Dec 28 2007 : 1:51AM rogrtipe wrote: the whole thing just seems really sad. Rog Rog Reviews Click to expand That about sums up all JM porn, imo. [Link]

Ordell Deactivated User 1042 Posts 6/05	Posted - Dec 28 2007 : 3:15AM dresta wrote: do you have any idae what the name of this title is Click to expand I linked the cover in my original post. I think it's called 'First Anal' or something like that. [Link]
Anderson Belfort Member 110 Posts 12/07	Posted - Dec 28 2007 : 4:55AM I don't get what all the furore is. From what i've seen, JAV girls always appear like they're being attacked. Having said that Maria Ozawa is incedible, i'd love to see her in American porn. [Link]
picman Senior Member Nothing says I love you so much as a tongue in the ass. 2884 Posts 1/03	Posted - Dec 28 2007 : 7:09AM Ramsey wrote: Didn't these Anabolic guys from that time (Lex, Everhard and Voyuer) also abuse Aspen Brock to the point where started to cry? I hated these guys ever since! Click to expand Aspen didn't take any particular abuse. She was just having a bad day. The crew was perfectly willing to stop and let her regroup but she was the one who insisted they keep on, and eventually they held back and lightened her load to end the scene. Not a hell of a lot different than Slayer in Black Pipe Layers 4, but without the juvenile taunting and messages drawn in Sharpie on the chick's ass. But maybe that turned you on. Your hate of some people, Lex and Marcus in particular, has a rationale that only you can decipher. One of your favorites, Boz, is always in the middle of stuff like this, and he's not nearly the woodsman they are. In BPL 5, every uncomfortable moment in Angel Dark's and Tera Joy's scenes take place with him, not Slayer or Nat Turnher, another guy you have a big hate for. [Link]
dead horse Most Beaten Member 305 Posts 6/06	Posted - Dec 28 2007 : 7:27AM Anderson Belfort wrote: I don't get what all the furore is. From what i've seen, JAV girls always appear like they're being attacked. Having said that Maria Ozawa is incedible, i'd love to see her in American porn. Click to expand maybe they direct them to seem like they are being attacked? (new territory for me, I could be wrong) I wonder if it would be a tough transition to American porn at first, "stop looking like they are raping you!!!" plus Gunzo hinted the rates are quite a bit higher? anyone know? [Link]
leatherdick Member In the Court of the Crimson King 263 Posts 5/07	Posted - Dec 28 2007 : 3:20PM Yeah she is a cutie But I do prefer my JAV idols to be purely Japanese. There is a different culture to pornography over there that should not be condemned by a pornographic viewing nation from another country. All JAV is mosaic anyway so they up the ante to compensate for that, hence the more extreme stuff. If you don't like it don't watch it. I love the Jav stuff the best stuff out there at the moment. I pick it up uncensored. Edited by - leatherdick on 12/28/2007 3:21:39 PM [Link]
dead horse Most Beaten Member 305 Posts 6/06	Posted - Dec 28 2007 : 3:24PM leatherdick wrote: I pick it up uncensored. Click to expand where? if you don't mind saying [Link]
mrdngm Member 754 Posts 11/04	Posted - Dec 29 2007 : 7:05AM leatherdick wrote: Yeah she is a cutie . . . but I do prefer my JAV idols to be purely Japanese. . . . Click to expand Why? [Link]
leatherdick Member In the Court of the Crimson King 263 Posts 5/07	Posted - Dec 29 2007 : 8:38AM Because Japanese idols act in a very unique way that is different to adult stars from other countries. I like the full Japanese experience. Otherwise it is just a actress from say America that is working for JAV. No problem with that but I prefer the homegrown talent. These videos Bree did for them look interesting but I don't consider her a JAV idol because she is not Japanese. [ invalid url ] [Link]
dresta Member 15 Posts 9/07	Posted - Dec 29 2007 : 10:06AM leatherdick wrote: I pick it up uncensored. Edited by - leatherdick on 12/28/2007 3:21:39 PM Click to expand I watched Maria Ozawa where she does her first anal. I liked the video and have never really watched japanese porn but i dont understand why they censer it. its porn after all. Why censor it in such a silly way. [Link]
leatherdick Member In the Court of the Crimson King 263 Posts 5/07	Posted - Dec 29 2007 : 10:12AM Japanese are cool with violence, check out the Guinea Pig flicks, but not so good with sex. It is illegal there to show the sex acts. The Japanese laserdisc of Cannibal Holocaust also had the nudity covered by the mosaic. I think the censor used to site old pubic hair laws to reinforce. The mosaic is added by the production company at the time not the censor. So a uncensored version is available as well. Also lots of uncensored material is sold illegally under the counter in Japan. [Link]

BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Dec 29 2007 : 9:53PM I wonder if anyone knows where the mosaic law (I assume it is a law) comes from? I've seen Japanese woodblocks from the turn of the century that portray penetration very clearly, and their writers certainly don't shrink from describing sexual acts explicitly. [Link]
Ordell Deactivated User 1042 Posts 6/05	Posted - Dec 29 2007 : 11:03PM Wikipedia explains it here. [Link]
dresta Member 15 Posts 9/07	Posted - Dec 30 2007 : 6:40AM Ordell wrote: Wikipedia explains it here. Click to expand thanks very interesting. I supposed this explains why in so many japenense porn movies the girls seems likes she crying. Its kind of a turn on for the porn fans there. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Dec 30 2007 : 1:41PM I'm not sure where you drew that conclusion from that link. There was a study linked off of Wikipedia which covered my question more completely, here: http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/online_artcls/pornography/prngrphy_rape_jp.html This is a very interesting historical section: "The government of the Meiji era, to enhance respect from the West, began to modify Japan's attitudes toward sex by adopting some of the West's comparatively restrictive and conservative mores. For example, the then common practices of nudity and mixed bathing, were newly forbidden in public bath houses (Dore, 1958). This ordinance was actually randomly enforced and basically only in the major cities. But this was a small part of the Meiji government's plan which came to be called wakon-yoosai (Japanese spirit and Western technology); a plan to develop and strengthen the nation by melding Western knowledge and technology with the Japanese spirit and culture (Hijirida & Yoshikawa, 1987). During World War II many sexual restrictions were relaxed in Japan as they were in the West. Following the war, the United States' forces occupying Japan imposed Western ideas of morality and law. The Japanese slowly came to adopt some of these ideas and practices. The wakon-yoosai attitude reemerged (Hijirida & Yoshikawa, 1987). Negative ideas of pornography, foreign to Japanese culture, were accepted and particularly applied to visual depictions since they were the ones most likely recognized and thereby criticized by Westerners. Little attention was given to written SEM since foreigners would be unlikely to read Japanese and thus would not notice and criticize these (Abramson & Hayashi, 1984). Other visible sex related matters were bent to Western ways. Prostitution, previously legal and accepted, for instance, was declared illegal in 1958 and separate-gender toilets and public baths began to replace the ubiquitous uni-sex facilities. Interestingly, while visual depictions of erotic themes were increasingly restricted, written pornography was slowly becoming more prevalent, more risqué and more fetishistic in tone. This was seen by some as a liberating reaction to the restraints of both Confucian feudalism and Western morality (Kuro, 1954). These were the laws and situation that basically existed in 1972, the starting date of our study." [Link]
tdb Member 270 Posts 9/04	Posted - Dec 30 2007 : 5:30PM Ordell wrote: It's a form of typing, like horoscopes. The Japanese believe that blood type is a measure of personality. Each type has their own persona. Click to expand Interesting! I never knew that. Now I know why they show Blood Type for all the fighters in Street Fighter II! :-) [Link]
caroline-NL Member 543 Posts 3/07	Posted - Dec 31 2007 : 2:26PM I dont have problems with actresses enjoying piss, scat, simulated rape or animalistics. But I dont like it, when they do things they cant endure. Sometimes its very difficult to decide, if the actress is only simulating pain, or if she really is suffering. I cant understand, why women are doing this. I tried out many crazy things, but when I only felt the slightest pain, I stopped it. I have seen lesbian japanese scatgirls, who really enjoy it ( AQT Label ). I cant understand, why this is a great taboo in US porn. If I look at the degrading and, as you call it "meltdown" stuff, your US company JM Productions is turning out, this is much worse as scat or animal sex, but on a different level. I dont know the volume, but I can remember a Gang Bang DVD, where the actress was only crying and was insulted, I stopped the DVD, and if I hadnt rented it at the video store, I would have had thrown it into the trash bin. Edited by - Caroline-NL on 12/31/2007 2:41:55 PM [Link]
Ordell Deactivated User 1042 Posts 6/05	Posted - Dec 31 2007 : 6:49PM Caroline, my dear, there is a reason I watch JAV to begin with. They do have degrading shit but it's confined basically to the lower end of the spectrum and smaller studios. So it's nowhere near as prevalent. And I called it a meltdown because it was clear Maria could not go through with the act and obviously had not tried it before. I once saw an interview with Sharon Mitchell and Nina Hartley giving advice to new girls in porn and one thing the grande dames said was don't try something for the first time on camera, try it in private first to see if you can do it. Clearly Maria did not and it all went wrong in front of the camera. [Link]
dead horse Most Beaten Member 305 Posts 6/06	Posted - Dec 31 2007 : 8:21PM the responsibility really should not rely with the consumer at any rate. It should be fantasy no one should be harmed, but that should be up to the producer to ensure, I want my tears convincing but guilt free. fwiw so JM is straight out but JAV may be right in the topic really strayed from ordells original intent, and I'm kinda glad cause I was exposed to a lot of new stuff, but what he was pointing out seems to be the exception not the rule [Link]
pil008 Member 138 Posts 12/04	Posted - Jan 1 2008 : 7:12AM Maria Ozawa is gorgeous. I like watching JAV, but not when it goes too extreme. I watched one recently called, I think the translation was "screaming vagina," it looked rather painful, although Maria seemed to be able to handle it. An enterprising US production company, like Wicked or Vivid, should sign her up. [Link]
Ordell Deactivated User 1042 Posts 6/05	Posted - Jan 1 2008 : 12:28PM She won't come here. She said in an interview she doesn't like having sex with foreigners because they are too big and it hurts. Kinda strange to hear a half-Asian saying American dicks are too big and then there's a string of fully Japanese girls doing scenes with all black guys, but who knows. Thing is, she could actually survive here because her English is almost perfect. Other girls like Yua Aida, Sora Aoi and Yuma Asami don't speak English, so coming here would be tough for them. She wouldn't have a problem in the U.S. BTW here is a YouTube clip of her playing an English teacher in one of her movies and thus speaking English. Edited by - ordell on 1/2/2008 12:41:35 AM [Link]

pil008 Member 138 Posts 12/04	Posted - Jan 1 2008 : 12:55PM Yes, I heard this too. But then she's probably just saying what everybody expects her to say: if she said she liked having sex with foreigners more than Japanese most of her Japanese fanbase would disappear overnight. The Japanese sex-industry likes keeping its girls in Japan. If a US production company approached her with a contract (and I urge then to do so) she would have to think seriously about her future because there might be no returning to JAV. Has there been a Japanese JAV star who has appeared in US productions? [Link]
rogrtipe RogReviews.com 1103 Posts 11/99	Posted - Jan 1 2008 : 3:18PM Ramsey wrote: Didn't these Anabolic guys from that time (Lex, Everhard and Voyuer) also abuse Aspen Brock to the point where started to cry? I hated these guys ever since! Click to expand I believe there was an accusation, though I without remembering the specifics, we probably shouldn't attach names to it. Interesting reaction to an unfounded rumor. Do you hate all pornographers who have been accused of abusing talent and making them cry? Or just these guys? [Link]
Dave_K99 Member 497 Posts 12/07	Posted - Jan 1 2008 : 3:59PM pil008 wrote: Yes, I heard this too. But then she's probably just saying what everybody expects her to say: if she said she liked having sex with foreigners more than Japanese most of her Japanese fanbase would disappear overnight. Click to expand Yet those Japanese men aren't bothered by her implying that they have smaller penises? [Link]
Ordell Deactivated User 1042 Posts 6/05	Posted - Jan 1 2008 : 8:26PM Here we go again. It's called evolution. They're smaller men, around 5'6 and 140 pounds, much smaller than western men. Their women are smaller, around 5'1 and 100 pounds, definitely smaller than a westerner. They adapted for their own kind. You could say Asian men have smaller penises, but you can turn around and say Asian women are way too small vaginally as well. I know I have to be much more careful with Asian girls than westerners. BTW, I believe Asia Carrera has said she doesn't like guys who are too big as well. So Maria's comment doesn't surprise me. [Link]
Dave_K99 Member 497 Posts 12/07	Posted - Jan 1 2008 : 8:59PM Ordell wrote: Here we go again. Click to expand I wasn't trying to say that Japanese men actually are smaller, or that there's anything wrong with that if true. It's honestly not a subject I've ever felt a need to look into, and I can see your point about the preferences of asian women. I just thought that it'd be a bit odd if she made that comment specifically to appeal to her Japanese fanbase. Considering how sensitive men can be about the size of their genitals, I'd have though that'd seem like a backhanded compliment to a lot of her Japanese fans... [Link]
Ordell Deactivated User 1042 Posts 6/05	Posted - Jan 2 2008 : 12:30AM Eh, I think they know, but they also know it's adaptation. Smaller men for smaller women. In all the JAV I've seen, while it seems the guys aren't that big, although it's hard to tell with the mosaic and the fact Japanese don't trim their pubes, but those guys get steel poles. I've seen in several movies where the guys will pull out of the girl and it's like they are spring loaded. boing Their dick is pointing at the ceiling. They'll do it 2-3-4 times in a row. Insert, pull out slow, sproing! Makes me laugh more than anything. They should add sound effects, since the movies have no sound beyond the two people. (JAV uses no music at all in sex scenes. During the sex you hear everything. Moaning, slurping, skin slapping, queefing, you name it) It's been noted that really big guys, like Holmes, never could get really stiff. They would just swell a little and were lucky if they could point straight out from their body. I guess the reverse is true as well. [Link]
DtotheJ Member 190 Posts 8/06	Posted - Jan 2 2008 : 4:17PM Where is Croy? Not being a troll..or anything, but I've read some border line racist talk from this guy regarding Black performers and Blacks in general.... He's entitled to his opinions, but I'm always interested on his takes on Asian issues and whether he's consistent in his views. [Link]