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Drew Black broken crankshaft 8011 Posts 9/99	Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 2:35PM What do you think of the new topic preview in the forum pages? [edit to remove the link to the test page since it's now live] Edited by - Drew Black on Aug 22 2007 [Link]
conquistador Deactivated User Hellhamster. 2947 Posts 10/03	Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 2:40PM I can't tell a difference except the smaller print hurt my eyes (my glasses need to be repaired so I am squinting at small text right now). Looks good to me, I can enlarge everything myself anyway. [Link]
Drew Black broken crankshaft 8011 Posts 9/99	Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 2:43PM This is the current version of the same page There is a pretty big difference between the two. [Link]
GaySatyr Senior Member Half dirty ol' man; half horny ol' goat! 1684 Posts 10/00	Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 2:49PM Is the only difference the preview of the first post in a thread? The small print is difficult for my aging eyes; however, having the preview is a nice touch. And, if the print within the thread, itself, is normal, then I like it, despite the small print in the preview snippet. ~ GaySatyr (ABB) [Link]
Drew Black broken crankshaft 8011 Posts 9/99	Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 2:50PM Yes, the only difference is the inclusion of the first ~200 characters from the first post in the thread in 10pixel font. I figured it would help people determine if topics are of interest. [Link]

Drew Black broken crankshaft 8011 Posts 9/99	Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 2:52PM I changed it to 11px instead of 10. [Link]
GaySatyr Senior Member Half dirty ol' man; half horny ol' goat! 1684 Posts 10/00	Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 2:56PM 11px makes a BIG difference in terms of legibility. Very nice. ~ GaySatyr (ABB) [Link]
conquistador Deactivated User Hellhamster. 2947 Posts 10/03	Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 3:02PM Okay, I see it now that you mentioned it. I agree with GaySatyr, the slightly larger text is better. I still need to get my glasses repaired. [Link]
threesomebody Official BlowBang Judge Would you like my autograph? 2491 Posts 12/04	Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 3:03PM I like it. I visit another forum where the 1st 200 or so characters pop up when the mouse is dragged over the subject line. I like that, too. [Link]
Drew Black broken crankshaft 8011 Posts 9/99	Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 3:05PM I set it live, i figure the feedback will roll in quickly then. If people hate it I can always go back to the old way. 3sb - I had thought about doing the mouse rollover kind of thing but that has negative implications for search engines viewing the site. Not all search engines are happy with text that's displayed as part of a java script action tied to a user input event. Edited by - Drew Black on 8/21/2007 6:47:05 PM [Link]
Hardware All-Star Member Your other left 14595 Posts 3/02	Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 3:20PM For me, the thread title is what determines whether or not I want to read it. Having text from the initial post just makes it harder to scan the thread titles, so I don't see it as an improvement. [Link]
justalurker Member 241 Posts 8/03	Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 3:26PM Is it possible to make it an option? Like Hardware I go by thread title. [Link]
Drew Black broken crankshaft 8011 Posts 9/99	Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 3:32PM I can make it an option with the default setting displaying the text. [Link]
MisterNoGood Member 195 Posts 2/04	Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 3:34PM I agree with Hardware, it is harder to scan thread titles, and it does not seem to be an improvement. I would much rather have it as an option or not at all. [Link]
Hardware All-Star Member Your other left 14595 Posts 3/02	Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 3:35PM Options are good. [Link]

Drew Black broken crankshaft 8011 Posts 9/99	Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 3:39PM Does the 15px margin help? [Link]
Jacco All-Star Member "liable to deprave and corrupt" 2673 Posts 5/04	Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 3:39PM I don't really see a difference, but then I have my minimum fontsize at 11. And I always use Active Topics, so it would not make a difference to me. Jacco [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 4:00PM I think it's pretty cool, myself. [Link]
conquistador Deactivated User Hellhamster. 2947 Posts 10/03	Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 4:02PM Larger text is better for me. Drew, 15px helps. [Link]
conquistador Deactivated User Hellhamster. 2947 Posts 10/03	Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 4:04PM Also, I was wondering why the message board doesn't use normal text "point" sizes. [Link]
Drew Black broken crankshaft 8011 Posts 9/99	Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 4:10PM Because the point system is hit or miss from browser to browser. Pixels are pretty specific. [Link]
conquistador Deactivated User Hellhamster. 2947 Posts 10/03	Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 4:11PM Thanks. I didn't know. [Link]
LubeNLuv Senior Member 1854 Posts 3/06	Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 4:16PM I dunno...I'm seeing a LOT of wasted "white space" now on the page offered as a sample. I'm on Firefox on a Mac....looks like there's a formatting issue. Edit: Here's what it looks like on my screen Edited by - lubenluv on 8/21/2007 4:21:40 PM [Link]
Drew Black broken crankshaft 8011 Posts 9/99	Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 4:18PM Any way you can forward a screenshot? [Link]
Drew Black broken crankshaft 8011 Posts 9/99	Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 4:19PM BTW, it looks good in the beta version of Safari for Windows. [Link]

Drew Black broken crankshaft 8011 Posts 9/99	Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 4:23PM LubeNLuv wrote: I dunno...I'm seeing a LOT of wasted "white space" now on the page offered as a sample. I'm on Firefox on a Mac....looks like there's a formatting issue. Click to expand thanks for the screenshot. (quite quick too.) It looks about the same on my end. [Link]
LubeNLuv Senior Member 1854 Posts 3/06	Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 4:24PM I think I've just a preference for "busy" screens. All a matter of personal taste. [Link]
Drew Black broken crankshaft 8011 Posts 9/99	Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 4:35PM I rearranged the location of the the topic paging links. That appears to compress some of the whitepsace. [Link]
Everett Senior Member 2088 Posts 6/05	Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 4:49PM pros & cons the only con I could see is maybe just a little tad clutter don't you think. pros with everything else. I guess it's like trying on a new change of shoes. "I don't like progress, it doesn't become change but disintegration" - Lady Marjorie Bellamy(Rachel Gurney), Upstairs Downstairs episode 1 "On Trial" [Link]
Dither Persona non grata I love America 650 Posts 8/05	Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 4:50PM I think too much text, it's messy. The first five to ten words from each topic, in a single line, would suffice as a preview. IMO. [Link]
Drew Black broken crankshaft 8011 Posts 9/99	Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 4:51PM I will create an option for people to disable the display of topic summaries. I don't think I'll get to it today but maybe this weekend. [Link]
Everett Senior Member 2088 Posts 6/05	Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 4:52PM Drew, has Steph seen it yet? what does she think about it? [Link]
Drew Black broken crankshaft 8011 Posts 9/99	Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 5:28PM She hasn't seen it yet. She's away today. She and I discussed it a few weeks ago. I had a few moments today to do something quick so I threw this together. [Link]
conquistador Deactivated User Hellhamster. 2947 Posts 10/03	Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 5:40PM I hope this doesn't sound really stupid. In the new format are the pictures people use as avatars slightly smaller? [Link]
the unknown pervert Deactivated User I'd like to stay but I've got a plane to catch. 3243 Posts 5/06	Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 6:04PM I haven't seen it on Firefox yet but thumbs down on IE. It jumps the title pages of the forum about half way off the screen to the right. It also does the same to the post reply screen. This is the experience I'm having with my PC your mileage and results may vary. I'm probably exaggerating a little with the halfway off the screen comment but it is bad enough to be very distracting and annoying. [Link]

Drew Black broken crankshaft 8011 Posts 9/99	Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 6:14PM conquistador wrote: I hope this doesn't sound really stupid. In the new format are the pictures people use as avatars slightly smaller? Click to expand The avatars aren't displayed on the page that was updated. [Link]
Drew Black broken crankshaft 8011 Posts 9/99	Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 6:15PM the unknown pervert wrote: I haven't seen it on Firefox yet but thumbs down on IE. Click to expand What version of IE? BTW, the post reply page wasn't changed recently. [Link]
the unknown pervert Deactivated User I'd like to stay but I've got a plane to catch. 3243 Posts 5/06	Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 6:26PM I believe IE 7 but I might be still on 6. I've kind of lost track of the updates. The title threads in Tech Talk and Feature Side still align correctly. Everything else goes Rush Limbaugh (jumping way over to the right). Oops, Story Time lines up okay also. Edited by - the unknown pervert on 8/21/2007 6:27:50 PM [Link]
Drew Black broken crankshaft 8011 Posts 9/99	Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 6:37PM TUP - Just so I'm on the same page as you, could you copy/paste the URL in your browser if a page that has "title threads". I'm not sure what this term means. [Link]
Drew Black broken crankshaft 8011 Posts 9/99	Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 6:42PM I shortened the brief to 150 characters or less. That might be a happy medium. I suspect that people browsing at resolutions wider than 1024px are happy with the change and those at 1024 or less are bumming. [Link]
BigMatt Member Sunrise Adams, Queen of Cute. 498 Posts 12/04	Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 6:44PM Confusing. While I used to be able to browse the forums while half asleep, now it takes an effort. Why don't you rather show some of the post on mouseover? [Link]
Drew Black broken crankshaft 8011 Posts 9/99	Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 6:45PM BigMatt wrote: Why don't you rather show some of the post on mouseover? Click to expand See this post above [Link]
nietzsche Deactivated User 5470 Posts 8/03	Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 6:53PM I like this because I'm tired of having to express complex topics in 50 characters or fewer. This is a boon for complex thinkers like myself. Now I must excuse myself, I have to make a post about solar powered enema machines. [Link]
the unknown pervert Deactivated User I'd like to stay but I've got a plane to catch. 3243 Posts 5/06	Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 7:22PM Drew, this is what I mean when I refer to a title page. Also everything looks fine with Firefox. I would prefer to have this as an option though, on some topics it is fine on others it is information overload. [Link]
Bill All-Star Member 5334 Posts 6/00	Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 7:40PM One problem that I see is, if someone puts a long URL into their post, somewhere within the first 200 characters, it screws up the formatting of the page, forcing some of the columns off of the screen. It might be a good idea to put something in that eliminates the text of a post if there are more than "X" number of consecutive characters without any embedded spaces in the first 200 characters of the post. [Link]
Drew Black broken crankshaft 8011 Posts 9/99	Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 7:51PM It makes the cut at the first space character encountered starting from position 150 (previously 200) and working backwards. If there are no spaces found it won't display the text. HTML is stripped too so a period in text should qualify as a line-wrappable character. [Link]
Bill All-Star Member 5334 Posts 6/00	Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 8:30PM The view of WN&N is screwed up because of the "Russia lays claim to North Pole" thread. It's currently about the 60th thread down in that forum. Edited by - Bill on 8/21/2007 8:30:41 PM [Link]
Son of Dad Member 99 Posts 3/05	Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 8:38PM I don't like it. I like to be able to scan quickly through the topics and since I have bookmarks in a side bar only three or four topics are visible at a time. I like the idea of the mouse rollover. That allows both a quick scan of multiple topics and a chance to have a quick preview of each topic. // [Link]
Tinaka Member 953 Posts 8/03	Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 8:44PM I hate it. It looks a mess and is no use to me at all. [Link]
Harri Patel Senior Member #SDNY he's all yours. -- Michael Steele 5110 Posts 3/03	Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 9:01PM As I said in the other thread, I don't like it, but as long as there is going to be an user-selectable option to stay with the old format, then I don't care. @Neech - it isn't that hard to "headline-ize" your posts -- nowhere near as hard as trying to cram enough info in a negative feedback on ebay in the limited # of characters they give you. [Link]
HeyNow Oblivious Gold Star Hey! 5965 Posts 1/03	Posted - Aug 21 2007 : 9:05PM It's okay, but I usually read the boards using Active Topics and the change hasn't hit there yet. Maybe it won't which would be a nice compromise and an option for those that just want to see tread titles. [Link]

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