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2bollocks
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3587 Posts
3/10
Posted - Jun 2 2018 : 6:47AM
I think the recent years with the arrival of manyvids and onlyfans, the industry is losing a lot of performers to this new medium. It seems to work very well for performers who made a big splash(no pun) early in porn, created a loyal following and are now taking their loyal followers to join these sites where the performers are now posting new material which is mostly low budget, amateur-like stuff that is stress-free to make for them and probably more importantly, with no fees from an agency.
I don't know what cut of the income these sites demand from performers but it can't be much since many are saying that they make more money doing this than shooting for professional porn studios. Now I'm not hating on them for doing the smart thing but I don't like these type of 'movies', I haven't joined any of these sites and from the few previews I've seen it's of low quality and not satisfying. Certainly not compared to the movies they shoot on porn sets.
But I think this is a threat to the industry on top of the piracy, in the upcoming years I see them declining further and more and more performers going this route. It could reach a point where newcomers only use mainstream porn to make a name and following to use for their personal fan pages later, we might see a future where we no longer have a section of top tier veteran performers who are actively shooting like now. What will be there to gain for them if they can make more money with a lot less stress and hard work going this other route?
rearadmiral All-Star Supporter
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6524 Posts
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Posted - Jun 2 2018 : 3:19PM
Your thoughts on this new trend are pretty much exactly what I'm thinking. I don't like this business model although admittedly that's for selfish reasons - it can get very expensive. I fully agree that this is probably another major hit to the mainstream porn business.
Flash All-Star Supporter
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11018 Posts
5/01
Posted - Jun 2 2018 : 4:24PM
I am confused? Are you stating that performers shouldn't be allowed to utilize low stress systems that make them more money than the old one that churned through many performers rather quickly? Does this work for other occupations too? Should accountants only work for the major firms since going independent threatens the major firms keeping good accountants? Or is this only for adult performers?
shalalin
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1737 Posts
11/07
Posted - Jun 2 2018 : 4:43PM
I wouldn't be too pessimistic. There will always be performers who go into porn as much for the public attention as for the money, and they're unlikely to get that through ManyVids etc.. It might even improve the product if full-fledged porn productions end up featuring only performers who don't just think of the paycheck they're going to get for it.
Besides, if mainstream porn in fact ceases being an effective shop window for new performers, their personal accounts won't get off the ground anymore, so it's a self-cannibalizing business approach on the part of performers that will only work for a certain amount of time. If that happens, mainstream porn might go through a period of hardship, but it'll bounce back.
Dread
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Latex and boobs
5085 Posts
3/07
Posted - Jun 3 2018 : 12:25AM
I'm honestly all about anything that the stars can do to control their revenue flow. i've subscribed to a few onlyfans sites.
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2bollocks
Senior Member

3587 Posts
3/10
Posted - Jun 3 2018 : 4:46AM
^Are you able to get off on it the same way you did for their professionally shot scenes that cost a fraction of the price? I mean Manyvids looks like it has some nice POV scenes but I don't even know what Onlyfans offers, from the few stills I've seen they're like short webcame type of videos. What is the idea behind keeping the expensive material pretty much a secret? A luring tactic is what it looks like.
Only for adult performers.
But in seriousness, anybody is free to do what he/she wants but if you want a comparison from a consumer's perspective, it's more aking to buying a great brand of product from a company, then it changes and the only way you can still get that brand is by buying it from another company which has a completely watered down version of it with far less quality and on top of that: It's actually more expensive too now.
CazzyMcazz
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9 Posts
6/18
Posted - Jun 3 2018 : 4:56AM
We should be grateful that some of these cuties even do any hardcore stuff at all considering they can just sit on twitch fully clothed and do nothing to make more money than porn, or sit on chaturbate and just out the camera on their feet and have people throw thousands of dollars at them for it. Think of the future, there will be less porn stars that do hardcore stuff eventually :(
Draxxx
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3831 Posts
2/07
Posted - Jun 3 2018 : 8:05AM
I really have no idea what MANYVIDS and FANSONLY are and how they work but my guess is they can't really be that much different than girls having their own website offering their content. Girls having their own sites have been around for years and didn't seem to hurt or affect the mainstream porn model in any major way. If these two sites offer a consumer access to a wide range of different girls all in one place that would be a nice thing for the consumer to have the ease of purchasing scenes without having to join a bunch of different sites. It's a good thing that a girl can have the option of doing her own thing on her own terms and make her money without the middle men taking their cuts. That would mean girls would actually stay in the business longer because they'd have less crap to deal with and be happier. But I would think that most of the girls would still have to do at least a certain amount of regular mainstream scenes for the bigger companies just to keep their names and presence out in the public to keep up their popularity and hopefully bring more people to these/their sites.
Also, this sounds like a good thing for girls who don't have a big mainstream porn following for whatever reason and be able to perhaps grow one. There are lots of girls who may be great performers who can't make it big with the big studios but could build a following or supply a niche that the studios don't.
In any case, I don't think any of this will have a big affect on the studios because they've built a brand that people like and turn to and offer the option of many girls to choose from instead of paying for just one girl. It will be just another option for porn fans to watch what they like.
2bollocks
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3587 Posts
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Posted - Jun 3 2018 : 10:17AM
^It's not like the girls who used to(well some still do) have their own websites because they shot quality porn scenes and had better subscription services. What we have now is usually basic poorly shot and poorly lit sex acts in an amateur environment. I don't want to trash their content but it's basicely an inferior version of professional scenes yet it costs a lot more. The members of these sites are truly hardcore followers to say the least. You also got other sites like Clips4sale which has better quality movies than the aforementioned but then they cut scenes up in several parts and you end up having to pay like 30+ dollars for a 30 minute scene. Marrón. I guess the point is the performers who go this route are probably done with mainstream porn and the more who go there the more veterans we lose in the mainstream. I also fail to see how this is not gonna affect the main studios financially.
Dread
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Latex and boobs
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Posted - Jun 4 2018 : 12:32AM
Honestly i do. I want the performers to do the stuff that they are into, plus i don't mind the amatuer feel of things. One of my favorite onlyfans' site was of Nikki Sexx, who's been retired for a bit now. I've also always advocated that the performers should control their content.
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Silversurfer12
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178 Posts
6/17
Posted - Jun 4 2018 : 5:21AM
I would rather support the studios and websites. Most of the stuff on onlyfans and manyvids are really crappy.
pat362
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10083 Posts
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Posted - Jun 4 2018 : 10:09AM
Before I post anything I will point everyone to the "Only Fans" thread as you can get a decent idea of where I and a few others stand on these so called personal pages.
https://forum.adultdvdtalk.com/onlyfanscom
I'm going to use 2bollocks to reply to the thread.
1-While both MV(Many Vids) and OF(Only Fans) fall under the same "Personal Page" umbrella. They are different types of sites on three key elements.
1-You have to pay for each individual video on MV but you get complete access to everything on OF for one monthly rate
2-You can see everything you are buying on MV but have no clue what you will get on OF until you join.
3-You can save the content you bought on MV but you can only stream the stuff on OF.
I'm not going to repeat everything I already posted in the other thread but the gist of my argument is that most OF pages are pure cash grab on the part of the owners of that platform and by extension the various performers who use it because I think that the vast majority of the content is complete garbage with the odd amazing pearls of joy. The fact that you have to pay at least 10$ and I have seen as high as 25$ for content that you haven't seen and won't until you pay tells me everything that I need to know. I would gladly pay 20$ to 30$ for a video that I knew exactly what I was getting for that money(I have bought clips4sale videos before) but you won't get me to fork over even a 1$ for what is unknown.
I'm all for performers using any (legal) means to earn a living. That's why I have no problem with MV but OF is a different story for the reasons I stated. My big fear is that many newbies are being sold a bill of sale for what is essentially a lemon because I get the feeling (maybe wrongly) that they think they can use their short foray into the porn industry to start a kind of solo model site (the OF system) where they will earn more money than they could doing porn. Maybe at first but how many repeat customers will most performers get if all they have are a dozen 2 to 5 minute solo videos where they don't do much? Read A_Fan's post because he has tried a few OF pages.
As much as I would like to blame MV, OF or any other means that performers use to earn a living. The reality is that there are more people stealing content than there are paying for it and that's why these women look for other ways to earn a living. The are simply too few studios shooting porn on regular basis to permit every performer to earn enough to cover their cost of living. I mean if a performer was getting multiple bookings each week then she would have less time available to shoot videos for MV and OF. She would probably also be less inclined to do those things because she would want to rest and relax between all those shoots. Now that doesn't mean that they wouldn't find time to do the odd MV or OF type videos but these would be done in conjecture with their normal shooting schedule for porn studios.
Anal-Porn Archivist
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Posted - Jun 4 2018 : 12:19PM
I'll stick with professional studios, they offer more than enough to feed my addiction.
I never spent a cent for Many Vids or Only Fans, and I never will.
2bollocks
Senior Member

3587 Posts
3/10
Posted - Jun 4 2018 : 1:22PM
^^Good stuff pat, I thought you would vehemently disagree with everything but good that you acknowledge the fact that this kind of shady business(luring people in with false promises while completely hiding what actual content will be available once the payment is received) is wrong. I too will never pay a dime for something like that either. I will check into that thread and maybe other message boards, I am suspecting that unsatisfied customers on OF will not be rare. If that is the case I will have to go back on the premise of this thread where I predicted OF being so successful that it will hurt the industry as a whole.
goldie fan whaddarush
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Posted - Jun 13 2018 : 2:51PM
same concept as onlyfans
https://www.baddienow.com/
hope my favorite making her money
hope she understands that no preview option is such a turn off



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