^So, you don't do age-play anymore because you don't want to be a negative role model for your three younger sisters? Um, you do know you work in porn, right?
that has nothing to do with it, nothing at all... i havent lived at home since i was 17 so i know im ot any role model, but they also do see me taking care of my self and they thinks its great. what i meant is i dont agree with the "age-play" aka pedifile spank bank material, i have an issue with knowing im wearing clothes i wore as a 4th grader, wearing the amount of make up i wore in jr high, and thinking wow i look younger and am portraying someone younger then my sisters thats sick, wrong, and inappropriate. thats why smart ass.... apparently you find this age play shit kinky and something you like or would have understood what i meant. "im the girl your mother warned you about"
Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09
Posted - May 7 2009 : 1:39PM
Seems a bit hypocritcal that one who so justly decries racial prejudice in another thread should themselves demonstrate prejudice in this one. The clear presumption made here is that pornstars are negative role models because of the work they do as pornstars. Pornstars can't be good people: can't be honest, ethical, self reliant, intelligent, admirable people because they fuck in front of a camera. There is no qualitative difference between such a presumption and the presumption that African Americans are all shiftless, or women are all airheads, or gay men are all pederasts. It's all bullshit.
I think the reality is that, in America today, if you're a porn performer then you're probably not the type to conform to the rules. That, in and of itself, tends to make one a bad role model. It doesn't make one a bad person and, to an extent, the fact a non-conformist can succeed does offer hope for other non-conformist. It's just the whole do-what-I-do thing is a bit problematic, see?
Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09
Posted - May 7 2009 : 1:58PM
I see, of course and, practically, you are right that non conformity, is definitely troublesome for the non-conformist. But how I disagree that non-conformity "tends to make one a bad role model." It is the non-conformists of history: malcontents, outsiders, the marchers to a different drum, that are responsible for most, if not all of the innovative thinking and invention that has defined human progress.
Look at it this way. If you are a conformist then trying to emulate a non-conformist is unlikly to work, as it goes against one's nature, which means the non-conformist is a bad model. If you are a non-conformist then you don't feel obligated to conform to what another non-conformist is doing any more than you feel obligated to conform to what a conformist is doing. Hence, a non-conformist is a bad model, even while, as I already pointed it, he (or she) may be inspirational for other non-conformists. Edited by - hardware on 5/7/2009 2:07:30 PM
Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09
Posted - May 7 2009 : 7:00PM
We're really getting off the subject of some porn playing to the fantasy of sex with children. Agreed that non-conformists who regulate their behavior according to what is acceptable in general society, by doing that which is most outrageous to social norms and what is likely to piss the conformists off the most, are usually poor role model material. But another kind of non-conformist, who does what he believes is right to do without bothering to check first whether he is following the majority or not: that is the non conformist of which I speak. The former regulates his own behavior based on what everyone else is doing and does the most rebellious thing he can think of for the sake of being rebellious. The latter follows his own plan, his own dream, doing what his own mind tells him will achieve his goal. He never consults the majority to see if they approve and cares not whether they do or not. He is a pragmatist, seeking only what works to further his aims. These are the true role models I meant before, who do what the majority are always ready to tell them cannot be done. An example relevant to this forum would be Gerard Damiano, who was told theatrical release of a porn movie was impossible. He released "Deep Throat" anyway, and the rest is history.
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Posted - May 7 2009 : 8:09PM
You said all that. I didn't. As for hypocrisy, the point of my comment was actually to point out someone else's hypocrisy. I'm not judging anyone for being a pornstar, and I actually think that non-conformity, to a certain degree, can be a good thing. But please don't try to tell me that it's sick to watch sex scenes with girls wearing school uniforms, but it's absolutely OK to watch these same girls do gangbangs, DP, anal, etc., if they're not wearing a uniform. That's hypocrisy.There's a huge difference. Judging people for what they do is nowhere near the same thing as judging people for who they are. One is by choice. The other is not.
i think a girl wearing a school girls uniform is totally dif then a girl in pig tails playing with blocks, having a tea party, etc thats pushing it a bit wayyyy to far. there is nothing wrong with the girl next door look as long as it is made clear she isnt portraying someone underage, and incredibly way underage! "im the girl your mother warned you about"
Not a shred of evidence exists in favor of the idea that life is serious - Brendan Gill 723 Posts 4/09
Posted - May 7 2009 : 10:02PM
"There's a huge difference. Judging people for what they do is nowhere near the same thing as judging people for who they are. One is by choice. The other is not." You lost me there. Which is by choice? What we do? Perhaps, but the exigencies of surviving and making a living often overrule the choice we would make, else why would polls consistently tell us that the vast majority of us are in jobs that make us miserable. And does being a porn actor for any reason make one necessarily less of a good person as, forgive me, your comment: "you don't want to be a negative role model for your three younger sisters? Um, you do know you work in porn, right?" still suggests to me? If we are to be judged by what we are, what are we? What defines us? Is it that we are male or female, or gay or straight or black or white or whole or deformed or mean or kind or selfish or selfless or beautiful or ugly? People have been judged by all of these criteria over the ages and always, when they were, the result has been cruelty and injustice. In what do we have an absolute choice that is entirely our own responsibility upon which you or I or anyone has the absolute right to pass judgement? I don't know these answers. Some think they do,but no one really agrees on what they are. Until eveybody does agree, I for one would prefer to avoid judging anybody. A porn star that loves her sisters is I think, as admirable a model of goodness and caring as anybody could be.
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Posted - May 7 2009 : 11:20PM
^I'm actually in agreement with most of your post, which further proves that you completely missed the point of my earlier comment.
I turned on the TV the other day and the first thing I saw was a man with a gun shoot another man four times! I rushed to the phone to call the cops and report a murder!
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Posted - May 8 2009 : 12:04AM
Understandable. But there is something in your post that needs to be corrected.I didn't say anything about judging people for what they are. It was for what they do. Also two different things. While I agree that judging others on either basis is not always necessarily appropriate, they cannot be compared as being equal. Edited by - realtip on 5/8/2009 12:05:15 AM
they sad sad thing is... just bc i choose to do what i do blinds you to believe that i am a bad person for my choice, im a very good person, i dont hurt any body by what i do, i am helping one of my sisters financially bc she got into a mess by wrecking her car, basically im making a car payment and paid off a fine for her on a car that is totaled bc i dont want her credit to be trashed. i happen to really enjoy what i do, i dont have a drug problem, i dont have a drinking problem, im do online classes for school, i mean im actually in this bc well i like it to some degree, and for you to make presumptions that im a bad role model for my younger sisters bc i do this is really wrong.... i mean shit you watch porn, you even engage with porn or porn stars which is above the average porn watcher.... some would look at what YOU ARE doing and think and say your a bad role model or bad person bc in some peoples eyes its against their morals, is disgusting, ungodly etc what have you... so maybe you shouldnt even bring something up like this even for a debate bc its unfair and wrong. this topic was about young girl porn lets get back to that. if you think less of me or any girl for being in this business remember you have 3 fingers pointing back at you.... oh hell i'll even throw in a bible verse(yes i know my bible too, grew up in a church) Matthew 7:3-5 "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? (4) How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? (5) You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye. HA HA SHUT DOWN! "im the girl your mother warned you about"
Yeah you do. One time, you made me hurt my cock from stroking it too much to scenes of your nice big ass. ...But I'm not complaining. PS. Mackenzee Pierce for Big Wet Asses! Edited by - 007 on 5/10/2009 10:03:43 PM
just as long as it was a good type of pain, id love to shoot for big wet asses!!!!! fingers crossed for it to happen eventually "im the girl your mother warned you about"
just as long as it was a good type of pain, id love to shoot for big wet asses!!!!! fingers crossed for it to happen eventually "im the girl your mother warned you about"
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Speaking of pain, I read on here about your sister in the car wreck, is she ok?? I think it's great that you paid her fine and something else regarding the car, it shows you have a great heart and are a nice person overall. I have no problems talking to you or other PS in person or on other messageboards, you're just as much a person as everyone else. So what if you have sex on film, to me, you're still a person w/feelings and if people don't like seeing porn, here's a novel concept, stop looking/don't look at it. BTW Mackenzie, you rock.
Speaking of pain, I read on here about your sister in the car wreck, is she ok?? I think it's great that you paid her fine and something else regarding the car, it shows you have a great heart and are a nice person overall. I have no problems talking to you or other PS in person or on other messageboards, you're just as much a person as everyone else. So what if you have sex on film, to me, you're still a person w/feelings and if people don't like seeing porn, here's a novel concept, stop looking/don't look at it. BTW Mackenzie, you rock.
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yeah she was fine, def in a shit hole with starting from the bottom again but she is fine... i try to stay grounded and real unlike a lot of PS some really let it go to their head "im the girl your mother warned you about"
lilmissmackenzeepierce wrote: yeah she was fine, def in a shit hole with starting from the bottom again but she is fine... i try to stay grounded and real unlike a lot of PS some really let it go to their head "im the girl your mother warned you about" [/quote] Good hearing your sister is ok, that's the important factor; at least she can start from the bootom, some don't get that chance. You so nailed it about some PS letting their fame go to their heads, it definitely shows in their attitude in their scenes as well as how they interact w/fans and co-workers outside of work. It's almost as if their pussy/cock is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Keeping yourself grounded and real is why you're really cool to talk to and know overall, not to mention you're hot ;)
I havent read the entire thread but I think its just plain weird having that kind of setup like the one in Tanner and Lexis scene. I dont care about what signals it sends other than its not turning me on.
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Posted - Jun 3 2009 : 6:33AM
I finally got a chance to see Jailbait #6 a few weeks ago. It took a minute before I could get to see it. It seems like a pretty popular flick. The video store I go to had sold the first two copies of the DVD it had in stock. When it ordered another DVD that was just available for renting, it was always rented out before I could get to see it. I had to ask the manager to hold it for me when it returned. When I finally got to rent it, the store manager called me on the day it was due back just to make sure that I would return it on time. Usually, he doesn't call unless I have something out late. This was the first time he ever called me before an item was late. Apparently, there were alot of other customers asking for it as well. After having seen it, I can say that it's a really good flick. Considering that I was expecting to be a little disappointed due to the lack of anal, it was actually much better than I expected (not that I'm saying there shouldn't still be more anal scenes). But it was good. I'm also wondering how many people who claim to be uncomfortable with this movie have actually seen it. There's no way in the world the girls in this movie could ever be mistaken for children, regardless of the set-ups or the roles they play, which are just for comical effect and entertainment value. Anybody who has seen this movie (not just the trailer) and still believes that it has anything to do with pedophilia is just an idiot.I made no such judgement. Although I don't know you personally, I have no reason to doubt that you are a good person. I was simply pointing out the irony of one of your previous statements. I don't believe that pornstars are bad people simply because of what they do. But I do believe that if you're going to be a pornstar anyway, then there is really no difference in which type of role you play. It's all just porn.
Interesting though that the demand for the title is so big. I still think its quite scary that such a theme actually draws so many costumers. I mean I understand why they produce it then but still doesn't get turned on by the intro of the only scene I have seen.
Of course they couldn't ever be mistaken for children. But EE and Co. do the next closest thing by dressing the girls up as children and getting them to act like them.
Disclaimers: I haven't seen this movie. (I did see Jailbait 3, and mostly liked it.) I do like tight, slender, youngish looking female bodies. I am NOT interested in underage women, not do I find that fantasy exciting. Now my point: Without addressing the underlying "morality" of EE's effort here, I find it hard to believe that anyone could be aroused by these setups. Most of us probably find them silly or tasteless, certainly not erotic, and I would guess that a true pedophile wouldn't be interested because the women are obviously not minors. Seeing Zeina Heart play with blocks isn't going to convince anyone that she's actually whatever age Everhard is implying. I do think it's a little creepy, but even more so I think it's pointless. Maybe I'm clueless, but I'd be surprised if it adds any extra sexual oomph to the scenes for the overwhelming majority of viewers. Edited by - hominid_66 on 6/3/2009 10:44:49 PM
Hominid: Totally agree with you, unfortunately there are enough sickos outthere actually wanting to see thiese titles really fast (the cue at the videstore mentioned earlier proves this) and therefore producers will probably continue filming stuff like this. I remeber a scene with one of my favourite performers Britney Amber and Kenzi Marie playing in a kids pool with a lot of kids bath toys. Totally tasteless and it is scenes like these that give porn a bad reputation among them who sees really tight connections between kiddie porn and regular porn and there are a few of those haters outthere.
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Posted - Jun 3 2009 : 10:00PM
I disagree. You are projecting your own personal views onto most of the porn-viewing audience, which may not share your opinion. Personally, I don't find find such set-ups silly or tasteless, atleast not any more so than any of the other set-ups we see all the time in porn.Maybe it does. Maybe it doesn't. Atleast we can give the movie credit for trying something different. The fact that people are on here talking about it shows that it certainly generates interest.Apparently, they're not the only haters.
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Posted - Jun 3 2009 : 10:19PM
I don't care about age-play porn too much, but you've got to be kidding? There's nothing remotely 'different' about the fantasy of underage girls, it's a complete cliche going back at least to loops and dime-store porn books. Edited by - BlackSix on 6/3/2009 10:21:12 PM
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Posted - Jun 3 2009 : 10:43PM
^True. Nothing is new in porn. Everything we see has been done (and filmed) before at some point. By "different," I was speaking in relation to most of the product in current mainstream porn. Sure, the Jailbait series is not the only porn catering to this niche, but it's still an underrepresented niche. The series is also among the best quality in this niche.
Been reading through this very interesting thread and one thing that doesn't appear to have been touched upon is the question of how they 'sell' the concept to the women appearing in these movies. The mere mention of the title 'Jailbait' and the fact they're gonna be required to sport pigtails, suck lollipops, play with building blocks and use colouring books would, I imagine, have most girls shifting uncomfortably in their seat. Putting myself in their place, if just one child was harmed as a result of my movie - however remote the possibility - I couldn't have it on my conscience.
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Posted - Jan 6 2015 : 11:50AM
^I own a few of the entries in this series and don't see any reason to believe that a pedophile would get off to these scenes and/or be enticed to harm anyone by them. Especially once the sex starts, the female performers look/behave like women, not like little girls. If I were a pornstar I would have no problem shooting for this series were it still ongoing.
One thing I've wondered is if would be legal for actual children to have non-sex parts in a porno. A few Golden Age ones I've watched had what looked real kids in bit parts, like playing a main character in a flashback. I'm just going ahead and assuming that using manipulative editing to make it appear like a child is actually participating in something sexual (like a few "extreme" horror films, such as The Girl Next Door, have done) is no-no.
Posted - May 7 2009 : 1:48AM
