Erik Everhard

Edited by - cobalt60 on 4/7/2004 5:27:34 PM

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As long as it's real I'm all for it, but I guess it all depends on how you watch porn. Some guys like to put themselves into the scene, and that's probably different from the way some females would watch Erik.

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Cobalt, what does your wife prefer? Something tells me you're not that quiet.

I forgot to add in my post above about Everhard in the Brandon Iron film. In his scene, Everhard starts off wearing a down jacket (so yummy looking) when he's outside. When he's indoors, he's in a t-shirt and jeans, but underneath he's got on Calvin Klein black bikini briefs - very classy.

Believe me, I couldn't tell you thing one about any porn guys and their cum shots, but I can tell you what brand of underwear they prefer.

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Edited by - Canadian GIrl on 4/8/2004 5:07:03 PM

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I laughed when I read the "pillow method" - MMMMMMMMMMpph! MMMMMMMM! MMMMMMMMMPHHG! MMMGGMMMM!! MMM! MM..oooooooooohhhhhh....grrrrrrrrrr....WWAAAAOOWWW....ah...aoh...ooh...no touching!...NO DON'T!! ...ooh...OH!...Hey!!stop that! ha! HA HAH HHAHA!! <MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMFFFFFF!!>

Better?

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Now, Wally had an interesting question: Do we ladies like seeing things like a guy's bare ass? Myself, it's not something I focus on. I prefer medium and long shots when I'm watching a porn movie, and I don't really care for any close ups, of either the male or female. I don't need to see someone's genitalia over and over again. I particularly hate when you see the camera flit from an actress' face, to a genitalia close-up, back and forth over and over. It's mind-numbing.

What I want to see is the total guy, and how he interacts with the actress. That's one reason why I like Rocco's films (when he's not acting gross or juvenile ), because there aren't many close ups, and you get to see all his moves (the guy moves like a tiger) and his facial expressions.

I suppose there are some female porn fans who like this or that part of a guy's body, especially gbg32 if you read her comment about Michael Stefano.

The only time I want the camera to move closer is when I'm trying to read the logo on the man's underwear band (Is it Hanes, or Calvin Klein, or Perry Ellis, or Dolce & Gabbana, or Fruit of the Loom, or.....)

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So you check out the underwear the guy's wear Renee? You are doing a marketing survey of what brands of underwear they use? Personally I think the boxer brief style is the one that looks the best on a man. It fits the contours of his body the best.

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Since the girls all seem to like Erik Everhard the way he is, and not enough guys seem to be chiming in here, I'll say it one last time for the under-represented guys :-)

Erik Everhard: Please pipe down for the sake of the guys watching your movies! They're not buying them to listen to you!

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The best elite male performers in the biz.

You guys make the girls' job easier.

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Don't care what underwear they have, if any at all.

Don't care to see close-ups of hairy man-ass, nor a back view of a pendulous swinging ball-sack.

Prefer clean-shaven (face).

Biggest fetish is men with LONG hair.

I wonder if I covered everything?

Renee, do you have a digital audio tape of the screamer that you'd like to share?

Edited by - lindi on 4/9/2004 11:16:05 PM

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I was waiting for you to add your opinion to the mix. I only wish I had audio and video of Mr. Screamer AKA the Ex-Husband. Not only did he scream, but from his facial expression, he looked like he was having a heart attack. The only porn guy who comes close to this (no pun intended) is Nacho Vidal.

Canadian Girl, yes, boxer briefs are nice, they're like tight-fitting boxers. Yeah, I have this thing, I have to check out the label on the waistband of guy's underwear, it's there to read, so I have to read it. Sometimes I pause the DVD and zoom in for a closer look.

For instance, in I Love It Rough 2, it starts off with Mr. Everhard outdoors in his down jacket:

You can make out the North Face logo, and see that he has a slight beard thing going, it looks good.

Then during the scene indoors, there's the ever present BJ sequence, during which you can clearly make out "Calvin Klein" on those black briefs:

What I really want to see in a porn film are two things: 1. Dolce & Gabbana Black Microfiber bikini briefs, available for a measly $50 a piece -

The second thing I want to see is the guy sitting there on the sofa and letting the woman undress him, nice and slow, like a reverse type of tease. Will I ever get my wish, I don't know.

P.S. Some more info about Mr. Screamer: About 45 sec after one of his orgasmic frenzies, he would inevitably roll over, start fiddling with the clock/radio, and say, "Honey, mind if I listen to the news? The Flyers are in Toronto tonight, one of their best guys is playing injured, I gotta find out if they won, you don't mind, do ya, huh, huh???? (I should have rushed out to pet the rabbit)

P.P.S. Face it, Mr. Dick Johnson, when it comes to opinions about Everhard, the ladies have you outnumbered (no pun intended).

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I haven't seen Erik in that many movies but he seems fine to me. I like to see and hear both the man and the woman in a scene. I don't care for anything fake. Genuine sounds and expressions are good.

I don't watch from the perspective of replacing a guy in a scene. I like to identify with the guy, which is impossible if I can't see or hear him. Hence I don't really care for the POV type movies or ones that you can only see the guys torso. Medium and full body shots are fine for me.

Oh yeah, I'm not a stoic meat puppet either. I'm pretty expressive in the bedroom.

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I've never heard a rabbit's orgasmic squeal, I've just read about it. Though the rabbit in my avatar, Mr. Bunny, did try to mate once with another male rabbit, but we pulled him off of the other one before things got too far advanced. I just think it's funny that male humans and male rabbits share something in common.

I just had to post a picture of this rabbit - it's a new breed called the Lionhead (because of its 'mane'). It sort of reminds me of Everhard, with it's sandy-colored fur. This little guy is a trophy winner, and also a champion stud buck, who's fathered lots of litters:

Atreides, your question about a line of porn just for women, I think several months ago Selena Silver posted about a scene she shot for a company called Impulse, that was supposed to be in a film geared towards women. I don't know what ever happened to it. It's sounded more like a feature type film, with lots of makeup and fancy costumes, not what I'm interested in.

I just want a plain, gonzo type scene where there's more give and take between the couple, and some shots of the guy's face every once in a while. I don't even want a whole film, just one scene out of five will do. There was something like this in PXP's Ultimate Asses 2, with Sandra Romain and Manuel Ferrara - at times she was practically ordering him around.

Alex Panzer - Those D & G briefs are not too expensive for Rocco Siffredi. When I can make out the label on what he's wearing, that's what I always find. Sometimes he's got on red ones, sometimes black, never white, and never regular briefs or boxers.

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Edited by - wally on 4/10/2004 11:05:51 PM

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1) If you go to any number of the major vendors & look at their top grossing products, it's nearly always the videos that feature more of a level of chemistry between the performers that sell the best. Even Jules Jordan (the ultimate male viewer's director) has started to show more of the dynamics between his performers. Bottom line. If there's a market for it, you're going to find, and should be able find it.

2) If the majority of viewers really wanted the male excluded from the scene (with the exception of his cock) why aren't POV & lesbian titles more popular? Even if you go to the video-on-demand sites & see their list of most rented material, these titles rarely even make the top twenty.

Wally questioned how women feel when the male's ass is noticeable. For me, while in no way a turn off, it isn't something that I notice that much (at least outside the context of rimming action). When I watch scenes I concentrate on the tension & emotions between the performers more than specific sexual acts, clothing, etc. It's the performers that I'm most interested in. I do like watching the guy removing his shirt before sex (even if it's in the background of the female). I'm not sure why but there's something really erotic about seeing that.

As for Erik Everhard. There doesn't seem to be anything fake about his moans & screams. It's just part of who he is sexually. There are reasons why he is one of the top performers. One reason is naturalism.

Lori

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Edited by - atreides on 4/12/2004 2:40:15 AM

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From what I can tell, none of the better gonzo directors has ever put out a film (or even a scene) that is primarily geared towards women. I think the closest would be Digital Sin's Erotica XXX series, which has some hot sex in classy homes, is light on the circus acts, and is mostly one-on-one scenes. But even these are rather anal-themed and pretty male-centered, with the camera work focused on the guy's cock, and the woman's ass/tits, etc. And worse, the scene ends in the predicatable way, with the guy cumming on the woman's face as she kneels, then it's over.

My impression is the gonzo directors are competing so hard with each other for the male fans' money, they aren't going to take chances to go after other markets, less they lose their core audience. Also, from what I can tell looking at online retailers who cater to women (who mostly sell sex toys but also sell some DVD's), most of these companies don't offer much in the way of gonzo titles, and frankly I think a lot of women have never heard of this type of porn.

I can quote for you from a review that I read, by the comedienne Sarah Silverman, of the Wicked release "The Fanny", that could go for a lot of female porn viewers, even for many gonzo titles:

"There is nothing voyeuristic about looking at Peter North execute a perfectly timed cum shot. The same thing with a woman who seems real, then she undresses, and she's got 10 tattoos on her ass, and her nails are curly long, and her tongue is pierced, and her breasts are fake. It's porn's version of network TV."

Edited by - Renee on 4/12/2004 5:01:58 PM

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You mentioned earlier that you liked Erik E's black Calvin Klein briefs? Well they are very similar to the black Calvin Klein briefs that I like to see guys in. Here is a photo of Joshua Morrow from the Young and the Restless wearing them. Josh is the type of guy that I wouldn't mind seeing in porn - if there were more good-looking soap star guys in porn it would be more popular with women. At least there are some good-looking guys in porn like Andrew Youngman, Csoky Ice and others now.

Joshua Morrow

Edited by - Canadian GIrl on 4/14/2004 1:11:13 AM

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i kinda like these boxer briefs.

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And Joshua Morrow belongs to me. I have kept all the bare butt pics of him that online friends have sent me too.

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Most of the guys you listed (like Ferrera, Holmes, Lex, North) are great performers and they're easy on the ears.

Erik Everhard is a good performer as well, but he ruins it by being too loud.
It's unfair to the other guys to claim that they're all like Erik.

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And, no, it's not because they want to imagine they're in the scene or that they like POV movies.
As I said it's mainly because we don't get to hear the girls or are distracted by Erik's incessant Oh-my-gods, wows, and the like :-)

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A question to all the girls here:

What do you think of Manuel Ferrera in general?

Most of the times the girls in the scene with him seem to be hot for him (unless they're really good actors). As a male viewer, I also like him because he's balanced, not totally silent and not so loud as to dominate the scene with his presence.

I think maybe he strikes a good balance that Erik Everhard should learn from.

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I'm not unsympathetic to what you're saying because I can't stand to hear a chick caterwauling through a scene either. Sometimes I have to mute the sound it's so annoying.

I also think that overwhelmingly males are the buyers and target audience for most gonzo, so they should probably take what I think with a grain of salt, but thanks for asking.

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Earlier, I wasn't saying that anyone was wrong about Erik Everhard being too loud. The point that I was trying make is that there are two sides. On one side you have an incredibly sexy, very popular performer who not only has the energy of a thoroughbred but also has a huge fan base among men & women. On the flip side you have more of a variety in pornography now than ever before. You have more than fifteen top companies to choose from with countless directors who have different agendas & styles. Whether than asking a popular performer to change his or her own sexual style, it could be less time consuming & easier on your money to choose movies with a performer who better suits your taste.

Nearly all of the women who post on this site write far more about gonzo movies than anything else. Personally, I think couples erotica & features from companies like Vivid and Wicked have become more of an arena for viewers who do not like watching rougher sexual themes than anything else. It's the viewers (both men and women) who are looking for the harder stuff that turn more to gonzo.

If it's Erik Everhard that bothers you (since he hasn't been with the company for nearly two years), you may find that Anabolic is much more to your satisfaction. The male performers are voided from the scene. You can't see them. And probably can't hear them. And most of the sex definitely has a rough quality.

Lori

PS: Manuel Ferrara is INCREDIBLE! His looks, sexy accent & strong performance style put him in the same league as Erik Everhard as one of my favorite performers. I do feel that Manuel is a better director & has better camera operators working for him. As a director, Manuel knows how to include all the never ending anal, ATM, ATOGM, etc, etc along with a basic level of chemistry between him & the performer. In Erik's directorial efforts you either get one or the other. Last week I saw FRENCH CONNEXXXTION & that first scene with Manuel and Melissa left me drenched! It's awesome!

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I think they show that most/all of us here agree that Manuel Ferrera is a great performer from both the female and male perspectives.

So personally, I think Erik should emulate him :-)

With this, I think this topic may finally come to an end :-)

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Manuel Ferrara, as every one has said, is a good performer. However, I don't want to see anyone else try and emulate him. If I want a Manuel-type scene, I'll find one with the real Manuel.

You can tell when an actor isn't performing with his own style, but is trying to imitate someone else. You see this with guys who try to be Rocco wannabes, even down to saying 'Nasty' over and over again, or trying to dominate the women with some finesse, when they don't have much finesse to begin with.

Back to Erik, I watched a scene yesterday where he was with 3 guys (and two women). He was by far the strongest male performer - no wood problems, high energy, used more positions, varied his 'stroke' speed, and paid more genuine attention to the female performers - as in talking to them and looking right at them, as opposed to just their breasts and asses; he even flirted with one before the scene began.

Dick Johnson, before you started this thread, I hadn't been paying much attention to EE. But since you began this, I have actively sought out scenes with him in them, and I'm getting more and more impressed. And think of it - he's not even 30 yet! There will be way more EE films coming down the pike.

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Admittedly, I have to turn the volume down for Everhard, but that still makes him better than 99% of the guys out there. I'm not a fan of the rougher things I've seen him in, but I've never heard anything negative about his character or treatment of women and seems like he wouldn't totally creep out your mom/sister if they were behind him buying groceries. I don't exactly collect male talent autographs, but it seems like the guy catches a lot of shit online, despite the fact you can basically count guys on his level on 2 hands. The guy's online, not in a bare apartment with a bong at 45 or meeting with a probation officer, that shouldn't make him an easy target.

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I don't want EE to emulate Manuel in any respect other than his "ideal noise level" :-)

Looks like some of Erik's fans have become even bigger ones in reaction to my thread :-)

Anyways, to each his own.

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