I have a problem with today's porn in that outside of very amateur type stuff, the male talent is getting younger and prettier It has gotten to the point where many of these guys are higher up on the looks department than most of the girls they are fucking. I can't help thinking why would these guys want to even get into porn when they should have no problem finding pussy in the real world. Gonzo porn, in particular, used to be a pathway where ugly to average looking guys could live out their fantasies by getting to degrade some cuties who wouldn't go near fucking them in real life. Plus It used to help create a fantasy for average looking guys such as myself, who could more easily imagine ourselves in the scene getting to screw the girl. Does anyone agree with me on this? I am sure someone at least will throw up the whole "I am only interested in what the girl in the scene looks like" comment. However, I would argue that anyone who watches boy/girl porn must have some interest in what the male talent looks like even if he won't admit it out of fear of being accused of having latent homosexuality or some shit.
Sometimes I think it makes the scene more realistic if the guy is attractive. Especially if the girl or girls give a very passionate performance. There's a small 'suspension of disbelief' at times when the dude is homely.
Do you have a tendency to presume to speak for "average looking guys" in an attempt to give credence to your arguments? I am an average guy but you certainly don't speak for me. I don't imagine myself more easily in a scene based on whether the stud is "average looking" or a pretty boy as you describe him. Have you done a study or research project with a large sample to back up your claim that average looking guys identify more with average looking studs in porn? What about the pretty boy civilians who watch porn? Can't they be catered for with this this type of stud?
This is the kind of thread that leaves me confused because I honestly don't know if this is trolling or someone looking to put a theory to the test. I'll need answers to the two below question before I bother posting in this thread again. 1-How about the OP name at least five young pretty guys that are taking over the porn world. 2-How about he name at least five guys that he considers to be average who have/had amazing careers despite their looks.
Why do you think porn is about degrading women? Why shouldn't sex scenes have men that women find attractive? Women watch porn too. Why would I want to watch an ugly guy?
I agree. I don't want to but I can't control how I feel when I watch it. It's simply hotter to me to watch hot girls doing nasty acts on video, and it's more nasty when she does it to a less attractive male partner. The worse he looks/behaves the better, and the more she looks like she doesn't want to do it, the hotter it is. Does this mean it's an idea that wants to see women degraded? I don't know, kink.com is a huge part of the industry, is every watcher some kind of misogynist? Nope It's just a fantasy.
I tend to think when the guy is ugly it creates a different dynamic/kink for the scene. When the guy is good looking or average looking it kinda makes sense that a hot girl would be happy to have sex with that guy and the viewer can understand and go along with that scenario. When the guy is ugly for some viewers that makes it relatable because they may feel an ugly guy represents themselves. Sometimes an ugly guy represents a scenario that may imply that the ugly guy has a certain amount of power over the girl to make her have sex with him even though she may not want to have sex with him. Sometime the ugly guy may imply that the girl in the scene is so horny she'll bang anyone including an ugly guy. The most famous and popular "ugly" porn guy would be Ron Jeremy. Back in the day it seemed like one of Ron's biggest appeals was that many fans related with him or admired him because he was this "ugly" or below average looking guy having sex with all those hot women. But I never understood the admiration because it's not like Ron was some sort of ugly stud who was pulling in those women because he was so charming or cool. The women were being paid to have sex with him. That's nothing particularly special or impressive and has been going on in real life since the dawn of time.
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Posted - Nov 11 2018 : 10:35AM
I honestly take this threat as a joke or a troll, so I'll respond in kind. This makes me feel that OP is a closed gay, and acting homophobic to men in porn to compensate for not being able to come out in public.
I don't subscribe to the theory of: "hot girl degrades herself by fucking unworthy guy". I don't care if the guy is attractive or not. I don't care what he looks like. I care how he performs. I just need him to fuck well, fuck properly, don't say stupid/annoying things (easily achieved by STFU), don't do stupid/annoying things, don't be/portray an asshole. As far as relatable, I rarely see porn scenes where I can relate to the pornguy. In those rare cases, it is because of his actions, and not because of his appearance. For example if he allows/requests the woman to leave her high heels on throughout the scene. Or if his choices of sex positions are what I would do in the same situation. Or if he pays some attention to certain parts of the woman (beyond the standard titty-grab and ass-spank).
I couldn't agree less. I think the most of the guys in current porn are way below average compared to porn from the 80,s, 90's and early 00's. I won't name anyone and nor should anyone else, but the current generation of male adult actors are well below average in the looks department compared to the women. Sure, they may have bigger dicks and stamina, but some of them look like they haven't even seen the inside of a gym. Some of them have lanky, greasy hair or have scars, bruises and amateur tattoos on them. The exception is a lot of the black talent - they seem to have the big dicks and a lot of them are gym fit and charismatic. In terms of attractive male talent, I'll list Manuel Ferrara, Rocco Siffredi, Ramon, Keiran Lee, Jax Slayher and Prince Yashua.
I like the younger & healthier looking guys... when I see an older guy with a hairy gut plopping out, it can actually ruin a scene for me. I get that some people are in to that but it's not for me. Also, I don't notice this trend... maybe Jordi and a few others, but new male talent would be refreshing because it feels like it's the same dozen guys in every single scene. I wish it actually was the way the OP described
I agree with the OP, although the man is not of interest for me. But there is a tiny, tiny bit of satisfaction of seeing Steve Holmes lifting his legs and getting to be rimmed by a pretty girl a third of his age. I won't say: it could have been me - but the action gets a tiny bit closer. Edited by - jm6d on 11/13/2018 6:45:26 AM
I will dismiss the notion that all women like pretty boys(they probably do) but why is it degrading for women to fuck ugly dudes? Of course im only offended cuz im ugly. Lol. And why do so many people like seeing women degraded? Given how most women treat me you'd think i would be more inclined to want to see women degrading themselves...
He said pretty ,what pretty has to do with muscles? Why men must be large and muscled? Pretty or cute guys might come out from any kind of body features , also many of those work on vignettes, or feature porn , while a cute guy could go with basically any set up they play and ugly guy has many limits and a woman degrading herself having sex with unattractive men also can be used up to a point. Also why average looking but not an average body and even less an average dick? Average looking guys but large above average with everything else is that so? anyway Rocco was modeling before doing porn not exatly the average looking guy
Lol I knew someone bring up the whole you must be a closet gay argument. Let me remind you though that that whole argument could be used against any guy who watches boy/girl porn and frequently is by guys who claim they only watch girl/girl porn
Also, I didn't intend to troll with this thread. Well, maybe just a little because some peoples opinions always amuse me. However, this is genuinely a trend in porn I don't like. I miss the days when girls had to break into the industry through rooting guys like Ed powers, Max hardcore, Jules Jordan, Frank Wank, Pierre Woodman, Yves Le Castel or the aforementioned Ron Jeremy It just added so much contrast to the scene seeing these ugly to average looking guys getting lucky with some hotties
^ Is it truly a trend in porn or just an observation of the limited quantity of porn you watch? The two aren't the same and I suspect it's the latter case with you though you're welcome to disprove that as per my original reply.
Ok then I will limit this trend to the gonzo genre which I tend to watch ahead of other genres but the quantity of porn I have watched, dating back to the early 90's is definitely not a small sample I would have at least checked out all or most of the major producers of then and now. Please, Believe me, the amount of porn I have watched is not something you want to think about lol.
"Pornography: That which excites, whether from approval or disapproval." ~ Leonard Rossite 2347 Posts 12/17
Posted - Nov 19 2018 : 11:28PM
You do realize that in order to perform as male talent, you do need to be able to get hard and cum on cue right? That's the main criteria;, they rarely are going on looks unless we're talking gay porn. The male talent pool in comparison to the female talent pool is OVERWHELMINGLY small so you can either watch the same 10 guys fuck all the girls in each and every scene. Of course you'll end up putting a thread up complaining about how there's no variety among the male talent when that starts happening or you can appreciate the variety and hope there's another Mick Blue, Lexington Steele, Manuel Ferrera or Markus Dupree in this young generation of male up and cummers.
I miss the times when there were old, weird and creepy male actors as well as random one-and-done dudes who were natural. Edited by - lsnoop on 11/20/2018 6:37:05 AM
I would tell you the reason but that topic is off limits. Sites need guys who will work for cheap or free. Edited by - snufish on 11/20/2018 11:33:53 AM
Why are you getting coy now? You make this bold pronouncement with no hard evidence to back it up and you expect us to take your word for it? I have watched an unholy amount of porn myself (still less expensive than wasting my time on bad dates) so I doubt you will shock me. The burden doesn't lie with me as the doubter to disprove your claims of "pretty boys" flooding the gonzo market - as the person who created this thread, that burden lies with you to prove your claims and offer clarity. You haven't even specified what percentage of these "pretty boys" among the wider male talent qualifies as too many.
I miss the days when girls had to break into the industry through rooting guys like Ed powers, Max hardcore, Jules Jordan, Frank Wank, Pierre Woodman, Yves Le Castel or the aforementioned Ron Jeremy ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________ I'm dead and not retired yet ... I'm "only" 55 !!! LOL https://www.woodmancastingx.com/ PW
Really Don't feel the need to quote statistics here angry pirate, lol. The basic observation is that cute girls no longer have to get their start in the industry through shooting scenes with guys like ed powers or max hardcore. Also, I don't presume to speak for all average looking guys as you stated earlier. I was just stating my own personal view but it seems that there are other likeminded people who have voiced their support to this view. And yes Woodman I am a longtime fan of yours. However, you too have much more competition from other companies to cast new girls than you used to. Am i wrong?
Lot of competitors ? Yes and not !!! After all this time I'm still here with my business when so many other died already ... What I do seems simple but it's very difficult reason why so many tried and failed to do same. I will probabbly retired soon I think if nothing change about piracy and will just spend my time to sue the pirates, that will be a new "occupation" for me in future I guess ... LOL PW
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Dec 16 2018 : 2:39PM
You've got a pretty specific fetish that I don't think is widely shared. I think most straight male viewers tolerated ugly dudes but hardly preferred them. The point is to watch the women enjoy themselves and they are much more likely to do so with Manuel than some prisontroll.
Haha, maybe you are right about my fetish being pretty specific. I guess when you say that the point is to watch women enjoying themselves is a major point of difference between me and you. I don't like to see the girl enjoying herself too much in the scene. I guess I am a bit of a sadist lol
"Pornography: That which excites, whether from approval or disapproval." ~ Leonard Rossite 2347 Posts 12/17
Posted - Dec 26 2018 : 9:53PM
^ Dudes who are natural? That makes no sense, I doubt all the guys in the industry are popping pills to stay hard and they rarely alter their bodies as drastically as female performers often end up doing for a variety of reasons.
I subscribed to dogfart network again recently and there has been a definite change in the male talent they are using in favor of younger fitter looking, guys, when comparing there recent scenes with older scenes.
Actually doing a bit of reading on the comments section on this network and it seems like the girls now have much more say in who they work with. I guess this is true throughout the industry now and partly explains the situation.
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Dec 31 2018 : 7:07PM
From John Leslie, to Rocco and Manuel the biggest performers have tended to be handsome and in good shape. Some point to John Holmes as an ugly guy but early on he has boyish good looks. Even Ron Jeremy in his early years was reasonably handsome and attractive, that is often noted by women viewers who see his 70s8and early 80s films. I think it was around Ed Powers and his Bus Stop Tales series that truly unattractive men started to get work but that was because they were their own director/producers. As thr industry has contracted that sort of operator has gone into decline.
Posted - Nov 9 2018 : 6:29PM
