It's a show called "Celebrity Ghost Stories." She's talking about an old house she and her husband bought and some of the spooky experiences she had while they were restoring the place. Yeah I know, let the jokes about Traci telling fiction begin. Just figured I'd pass it on.
That reminds me of renting Zach & Miri Make a Porno a couple months ago. yet another horrible movie farted, barfed and shit out by Kevin Smith, horrid unrealistic dialogue, crappy camera work, horrible editing, you know the usual for Smith. One of the "bonus" features was a panel Smith did at Comic Con out in San Diego to promote the movie. He had all the stars on, including Lords and you I watched her and could see that she was waiting, almost fearfully for someone to ask her a question about porn and her porn past and how she felt about being in the movie etc. Sure enough the first question put to her by the audience was about her porn career and her reaction was...interesting. You could visibly see this mask sort of fall across her face, as it lost all hint of emotion, then she recited this speech which I'm sure she has rehearsed and said aloud in an empty room 5,00 times, which was pretty much, "deny, deny, a difficult time in my life, regrets." Totally phony.
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Posted - Dec 12 2009 : 4:52PM
OK, but Elizabeth Banks is so fucking gorgeous in the "no, really, unbelievably hot girls do actually go for fat schlubs" role.
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Posted - Dec 12 2009 : 10:42PM
One reason why I refuse any movies with Seth Rogen in them. Traci sure has an odd speech pattern, the way she mouths words and such. Anyone notice this? It's almost like compensating for something.
I've always thought it was an affectation and a bit pretentious, kind of like Madonna talking with the fake British accent. It may also be something some acting coach taught her.
Yeah her manner of talking does come across as stilted, as if she's calculating every word she's going to say, along with a pretty snooty air and attitude towards porn, almost looking down her nose at it.
Didn't she cause alot of harm for the porn industry. Alot of people suffered in light of her actions. She would never return, isn't she always bad mouthing the industry? Who would hire her back?
I thought I was the only one with these feelings! Kevin Smith -- the most overrated filmaker of all-time. Traci Lords -- the most overrated porn star of all-time. They make a perfect pair.
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Posted - Dec 22 2009 : 1:57PM
Alexandria Quinn did pretty much the same thing as Traci a few years later. Quinn did quite a few movies underage, left and came back pretty quickly enough and came back again sluttier and hotter than before. Nobody locked her out. Why does everyone keep saying that about Lords? I don't think it's the question of Lords supposedly ruining people in a financial way as much (most if not all of her movies MUST have made their money back during their original release, as I believe there were VERY few movies on release in the weeks and months prior to the discovery she was underage in summer of 1986) as she badmouthed the industry, she got off scott free while people went through the ringer, and pretended she only made 10 or so films and the rest were just compilations and "extra" footage. With that attitude I think most adult studios would pass on her, but I wonder how many others would step up to the plate if she were to announce she is prepared to return to porn. Edited by - Len801 on 12/22/2009 2:12:11 PM
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Posted - Dec 22 2009 : 3:35PM
So much irrational hatred in this post. Traci Lords was 15 years old at the time she made her first porn films. Regardless of how much money they lost or how many videocasettes they had to destroy, anyone who is upset with her is just a tool. If what happened to Traci happened today, it would be statutory rape. Presumably, everyone here is an adult. Try acting like a responsible one.
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Posted - Dec 22 2009 : 4:11PM
Just try to get a passport with bogus documentation and see what happens to you. Nothing but nothing happened to Traci. She and her family knew she was making movies underage. She made approx 100 adult movies over a period of 2 years, not exactly a blip. I think she was 16 when she began her hc career. Victim? Statutory rape? How many underage teens are having sex, and getting pregnant? How many of the males involved got arrested and thrown into prison for "statutory rape"? Hatred? I don't think you can quite qualify it that way. Perhaps Ginger Lynn and Christy Canyon and other people that got prosecuted may have a different view, but ask her how much she actually earned in making those hardcore movies and the last adult movie after "retiring"... And she loved her porn name so much she kept it, and she hates it when people still ask her questions about her porn past?
I seriously doubt that anyone that could make her look good would step up to the plate for her. She blast the porn industry and never would fit in well esp at an AVN award ceremony. Sure people liked her sex, but seriously she caused from what i understand a alot of damage to people. As far as the other woman, never heard of her. There is someone that i kno wthat knows alot about the porn industry. Iam going to e-mail him. If he does not mind me mentioning his name, i'll do it.
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Posted - Dec 26 2009 : 11:41PM
I seriously doubt that anyone that could make her look good would step up to the plate for her. She blast the porn industry and never would fit in well esp at an AVN award ceremony. Sure people liked her sex, but seriously she caused from what i understand a alot of damage to people. As far as the other woman, never heard of her. There is someone that i kno wthat knows alot about the porn industry. I am going to e-mail him. If he does not mind me mentioning his name, I'll do it.
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Nothing should surprise you about the porn industry. If someone thinks there's a buck to be made, they will step up to the plate. The porn industry has also a short memory. I believe Marc Wallice continues to be hired and hides behind names, after all these years and the controversy he created. So why would Traci not find work? But...I think after that all she has said and done in the last 20+ years, the reception she would get from many insiders and consumers would be extremely cold. I can't see that she would want to risk that for just a few bucks at this late stage in her life. She would make much more money even in the sleaziest and cheapest mainstream B-grade movies than if she were to return to porn, so there is no monetary compulsion to do that. She would not only aleanate the anti-porn crusade (who look to her as a "victim" of the "evil" porn industry who made money off of her as minor) but the present porn industry would not be a very welcome environment. I did not understand the part about your friend. What is it that you intend to ask him?
Nothing should surprise you about the porn industry. If someone thinks there's a buck to be made, they will step up to the plate. The porn industry has also a short memory. I believe Marc Wallice continues to be hired and hides behind names, after all these years and the controversy he created. So why would Traci not find work? But...I think after that all she has said and done in the last 20+ years, the reception she would get from many insiders and consumers would be extremely cold. I can't see that she would want to risk that for just a few bucks at this late stage in her life. She would make much more money even in the sleaziest and cheapest mainstream B-grade movies than if she were to return to porn, so there is no monetary compulsion to do that. She would not only aleanate the anti-porn crusade (who look to her as a "victim" of the "evil" porn industry who made money off of her as minor) but the present porn industry would not be a very welcome environment. I did not understand the part about your friend. What is it that you intend to ask him?
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I should not say friend but someone i spoke to awhile on the phone in relation to a subject iam famous for would be able without a shadow of a doubt be able to say whether Traci would have any chance at all of getting anyone to hold a camera for her. I have not contacted him yet. He is very well know in the industry. Been around since 1970, not born, doing porn then. He seems ok to me. I'll have to e-mail him , i think he might aggree that she would not be welcome.I'll e-mail him Monday.
People may hate her, and she is a little past prime porn age, but there is no doubt that there is someone out there that would be more than happy to put out a new Traci Lords movie. Probably a lot of someones.
I am not sure that her "age" would quite factor in. There are a lot of "mature" actresses who are just starting out and many actresses that are well past her age that are doing quite well in the "mature" and MILF genre that is quite popular right now. I think it would have a lot to do with her image. She has turned her back on porn and heaps scorn on it at every turn and claims to have been "victimized" at such a "tender" age. To now go back at this late stage to porn, would make her a turncoat. She would not find much comfort in the legitimate world (who would forever scorn her) or the porn world (where she would met met with cold stares and unpleasant reactions). And besides how much money would she really make, that she could not make in turning out just one awful grade-Z movie? Only if the phone stops ringing, there are $35 left in her bank account, and tons of bills to be paid, ummm maybe, but that's unlikely to happen.
Wouldn't it be interesting if someone went to his local mom and pop video store (long before Blockbuster) and bought all five of their videos with Traci Lords after hearing that she was underage when being filmed. Just a thought.
I have never gotten this chick, she is fugly....almost ruined porn and is an awful actress no matter what roles she gets. Tracey is always whineing or something.....go away and farm your lawn. What a bore!!! Edited by - alfan on 12/28/2009 10:32:09 PM
Ok, but she is still a piss poor actress on awful B movies and if John Waters did not like her she still would not have a career. I just don't get it. Oh, well.
I recently had the chance to talk to her for a sec at a movie premiere about 2 months ago. She looks damn good still to this day. ContactPornStars.comTheStarFactoryEnt.com
Why watch it if you don't like him? There's clearly something wrong with your brain if you think that his dialogue is actually meant to sound 'realistic'.
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Posted - Dec 29 2009 : 7:58AM
An often repeated quote/comment that really doesn't hold up. I don't know where it comes from, and whether it is even justified to utter it. In a two-year period she made about 100 adult movies while underage. She was quite popular as were Christy Canyon and Ginger Lynn and many others of her generation. Practically the whole totality of her movies were released way before the scandal broke out. I am sure, like I said in a previous post, all of the production companies made their money back on those releases, and they had no unreleased movies with Traci. No doubt some of these companies may have had a small inventory of VHS/Beta cassettes that had to be destroyed (as well as the video/movie masters). A handful of companies even re-released some of these movies without the Traci content and made some money back. I will bet you that a lot of video tapes that were in video stores at the time of the scandal, were quickly snapped up by store personnel or clients. I do not have the figures of actual returned stock by video stores/distributors. She was not under contract with anybody and made movies with/for a variety of companies, so no single producer/distributor was left holding the bad with a huge inventory of stock. But I don't think the scandal caused these companies to go under. The other side effect was that popular and big money-earners like Ginger Lynn, Christy Canyon, Amber Lynn soon left, and there was a little gaping whole for a while that had to be filled with other newcomers. Ginger and Chrsty had their own personal reasons for hating Traci (Ginger and Traci had a lot of animosity even before the scandal broke) but that had to do with money/tax problems I believe and I don't know whether they can rightfully blame Traci for that situation. I don't believe the animosity the porn industry has towards her has to do with her "age", but the way the scandal broke and what she did thereafter. She got a lot of people into trouble, but nothing happened to her (false passport, where the money went, whether she fully declared her income, who introduced her to porn, who knew, etc). A year later she released a movie (TRACI I LOVE YOU), she had shot in France when she turned 18 and had kept under wraps and made a very sweet deal with Caballero to release it. So she kept profiting from porn all the while mocking it. To this day it is not clear how the FBI and federal authorities were informed of Traci's underage status, and many believed and believe to this day that she "orchestrated" it. And then she undertook a mainstream movie career still using her porn name. To many that was very galling. Edited by - Len801 on 12/29/2009 8:01:15 AM
personally I think now that her "past" and the "twist" has been revealed, her work is "taboo." And since she's not "taboo" anymore some people might find her BRAND NEW stuff quite useless. Maybe only 2 or 3 people would buy the porn movie for her scene. About her badmouthing the industry, I would assume that she had to do that to save her ass. Most likely she would have taken a lot more heat if she didn't do that. I saw her in "Traci, I Love You." and it was not good at all in my opinion. That's the only one I seen her in so far.
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Posted - Dec 29 2009 : 12:04PM
She wants to make it (adult movie and modeling career) "taboo" to only push forward and validate her "legitimate" career. I don't know everything she has said in the biographies she has written. I have only seen summaries, and I don't know to what extent you can rely on what she has said about her porn past/adult movie career. How much is truly known about how much she made during the time she made her underage movies? What happened to all that money (I believe she said she was heavily into drugs and the money she earned was spent on drugs and clothes, although her contemporaries have claimed they never saw her take drugs or appear intoxicated). During that time, did she report her income to the IRS? If not (or not completely) why was she not prosecuted for tax evasion? If it is true, as it has been recounted, that her mother/family knew she was making porn movies, then what makes them in the eyes of the law, and why no one got into trouble? Since it is known she secured a US passport providing false identification, why did the feds not prosecute her? What deal did she get from the feds for assisting the feds charge others for a variety of "crimes" and misdemeanors? As for TRACI I LOVE YOU, it is total garbage. Nothing is known about who really directed it. Her own voice was dubbed. It sold quite well at the time because Americans and most of the world could not get access to her adult movies, since she was a minor. There are varying reports as to what Caballero actually paid her for distributing that piece of junk. In addition why has Traci removed that movie from US distribution (if it was good for her then, why not now?). Some of her underage movies continue to be sold openly in some European countries. What if anything Traci has done to discourage/stop those companies from distributing such material?
I am only 24. She is way before my time but i seen a documentary about her and a few pornstars and directors said this. You probably know more than me because i wasn't born till 1985.
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Posted - Dec 29 2009 : 12:59PM
It was not intended as a criticism to you for having made that statement. It's just that it gets repeated often enough that people think and firmly believe that Traci Lords destroyed the whole US porn industry in one stroke. I don't recall reading that porn companies went under because of unreleased movies or inventories that had to be destroyed due to the scandal. She worked for several firms, so no one big company was left holding the bag with thousands of dollars of unsalable material. I don't recall anyone in the porn industry in going to jail either, as they were able to fight off the feds that they were aware Traci was underage. The Feds handed her a fake passport using the documents she used for getting porn work. They (feds) were just as embarrassed by the whole revelations as anyone else. Sure it may not have been a happy time with the feds breathing down on some people's necks and movie inventory that had to be destroyed, but it was not the end of the world as some made it out to be.
Please. T6hat is one of the things that is regularly farted and shit out by his legions of retarded fans, "Man, Smith rules. He writes like, dialogue and talking and shit in his movies that like, is just how WE talk and like stuff." and this line is also farted out by reviewers of his films on a regular basis.
Couple things. 1) What evidence do you have that Wallice continues to work in the industry? By this I will take it that you mean he works as a male performer, fucking and getting sucked by chicks, not doing behind the scenes/directing shit. 2) How would this be possible, except for him getting $250,000 worht of plastic surgery to completely transform his face and the shape of his cock? Get fucking real.
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Posted - Dec 29 2009 : 5:41PM
Maybe you should get out of the basement more often. I don't know what Wallice was doing yesterday or last month, but he was until recently working BEHIND the camera as a director using another name (not acting in porn movies). Check with Den at CAVR.com and he will tell you and confirm it for you...since you need HARD evidence. Have a look here for more proof: SLUTTY WHITE NEIGHBORS 2 (2008) (so why don't you ask Evasive Angels and others why they are hiring this guy?) http://www.cavr.com/xxx22912.htm http://www.iafd.com/title.rme/title=Slutty+White+MILF+Neighbors+2/year=2008/Slutty-White-MILF-Neighbors-2.htm Edited by - Len801 on 12/30/2009 9:32:25 AM
Wrong. You obviously have very little understanding of what he's doing. You're still insisting it's meant to sound realistic, when it's not. Anyone else who agrees with you also has no idea.
lol yeah it was total garbage. I put "not very good in my opinion" cuz I was being nice. And wasn't sure if other people would like it. At first I put "it was pure crap!" then I deleted it and replaced it with the more "nice guy" comment.
Darmund has some serious anger issues. He better checked himself quickly before he get his ass banned from this board. Edited by - MooseShady on 12/30/2009 3:55:33 PM
I'd love to see her return to porn... always interesting to see an (in)famous face return as a MILF -- as long as she gets herself in performing shape... I really don't care to see sagging love handles, etc. regardless of age. All her public transgressions can be forgiven if she takes it up the ass again, don't you think?
If she DOES come back to porn, she better come back with some new moves and new dirty talk. She doesn't have the same pretty face or awesome body she had back then. Hopefully she could and would be able to compete with the pornstars of this generation like Destiny Summers, Jada Fire, Candace Von, etc. btw, I saw some of her stuff on youtube recently. The movies seemed to have a lil too much plot (as in a lot more plot than sex) but they seemed to be perfect setups for a sex scene. I wish more porns of today can have even half as good setups, but still keep the sex red hot!
That's the only one I've seen, as well--the legal one--but I thought that it was good. It looks like I'm in the minority on my opinion of it, though. In terms of her mainstream work, the only movie of hers that I have really liked was "Not of this Earth"...cheesy but fun. I did like her album, though -- "1000 Fires" [ invalid url ]
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Posted - Dec 31 2009 : 12:27PM
Seeing it when it was released it was awful, and seeing it today even more so. Traci's own voice was dubbed. The scenes are awfully shot. The plot from what can be made out is a mess and seems to have been written an a paper napkin in a fast foot joint. The movie is interspersed here and there with some shots (poorly matched in quality and lighting) apparently shot during the Cannes Film festival. Traci does a strip scene (dark lighting) in a club that hardly looks like a strip club and her moves are dull as hell, and she remains topless from what I recall and does not do much of anything else. She has a sex scene with middle-age Alban Ceray in his office that is again poorly shot and staged. You hardly see any penetration. It may be worth a rental or a purchase (if you can get at a decent price) if you can only get a legal Traci adult tape just for the sake of saying you got one in your porn collection. You can't get this movie in the USA, but it is sold in Canada and some other European countries, last time I checked.
^Hmm... back in the mid-90s, I got a copy of on VHS and on CD-ROM...odd that it wouldn't be available now, as it is legal to own. Perhaps it was mostly cool just to see the one legal Traci movie -- I don't know -- but I do recall liking it. Wasn't there a blowbang kind of deal in there? That's what sticks out in my mind.
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Posted - Dec 31 2009 : 1:13PM
It is legal to own. Traci had an exclusive 10-year distribution contract with Caballero, that turned out bad, as Traci alleged and sued Caballero for unfair use of the footage from that movie. I believe she won the court case against Caballero, but then Traci removed the movie from US circulation. It is available legally in Canada (by Valentine Video I believe, and you can Google it). I believe it is sold in France and elsehwre as well. If mods will allow it, here is the Valentine (Canadian) site page (available for sale CAN $30) http://valentinevideo.com/newmain/55cart/shopexd.asp?id=1824 You may regard it as a bit expensive for such an old (and poorly made) movie, but if you have to have it, the DVD quality is pretty good aside from the dull content. http://valentinevideo.com/newmain/images/vol80/8088.jpg
Well, some quick googling on her recent pictures... I think she looks quite good. She had a nice sultry look when she was in her teens, then looked kinda weird when she was in her 20's... but now, I think her face has settled into a Shannon Tweed kind of aging sexpot look that holds up well compared to a lot of other women her age. She'd make a triumphant MILF return like Lisa Ann did, if she chose to.
Pokerman, for 24 years old, your write extremly well. Enjoy your posts. I am much older and remember the Tracey scandal well. I rented my movies from the "adult" section of the little mom and pop video store around the corner, run by a husband and wife from India. I don't know who was more embarassed, me renting the videos or they renting them to me. An awkward situation. They had no clue as to the Tracey situation. Her videos remained up for some time afterward until a customer helped them out by buying them.
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Posted - Jan 5 2010 : 9:06PM
I think that's what happened in many cases. I don't believe, in light of the publicized scandal, that ALL video tapes of Traci were returned to the distributor, but a certain number were quickly snapped up by store owners/employees and customers to be kept in their private collection for posterity. These have and will have a certain underground value for private collectors.
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