Please understand, these are my opinions>>>> I apologize, if they "step" on any toes>>>>>>>>First, there is this, "macabre" thinking, among many adult film directors, that, slapping, spitting on, choking, kicking, punching, and verbally degrading young girls, is sexy. PLEEEASE!!, porn films, sould give a man a hard-on, not a stomach ache............Second, the day, that "wino" found a "loaded" camera, in a trash bin, out in Chatsworth, California, "gonzo" was born, and, from then on, budget "crazed" producers, began to sacrifice the talent of, highly creative directors, on the altar of the "gonzo gods," where, King Midas rules........ Next, and once again, the by-product of producer, "Midas Mentality," adult female performers, are getting younger, and younger, simply, because, they are willing to work, cheaper and cheaper. In fact, it won't be long before, every porn set, will include not only stage hands, but guidance counselors, as well.......... Finally, another trend killing porn for ME, and a dangerous health risk, according to most dermatologists btw, is this, "needle craze" among both male and female porners, today. In fact, I would be "hard pressed," to name, even ONE, female, "tattoo free, and when it comes to tattoos on human flesh, I take the same attitude, as the Chamber of Commerce, re signboards on roadways--they mar the natural beauty of the landscape---...... These, then, are the porn trends, which, I feel, are destroying much of the sexuality of adult films today. Strangely enough, MOST run through a common thread, which I consider to be, the "weak link," of the adult film industry, and that is, "penny-pinching, dollar-squeezing producers, who daily, "strangle" the minds, and, I'm sure, the patience, of most adult film directors and performers. And, while we're talking about "strangling" an industry, NO ONE, in my opinion, has had more of a detrimental "hold" on any group of workers, than the self-appointed, Health Czar of Porn, AVN's, Paul Fishbein, a man whose, sanitation quirks, would challenge, even Howard Hughes............... Thus, as a "direct" result of Fishbein's dictates, and proven by numerous, negative, AVN film reviews and editorials, timid producers and directors, seldom allow, condom-free sex scenes, or female, cigarette smoking scenarios--sexual "turn-ons" for a HUGE number of men, today---- In fact, we smoking fetishist, have a better chance, seeing an attractive woman light up a cigarette, on the Disney Channel, than in an adult film. What a sad indictment, against an industry, which devotes its entire energy, exploiting the sexual appeal of women!!!
Try "Andrew Blake's - Close Ups" (includes Smoking fetish and needle free gorgeous girls)
You forgot vomiting and punching balls.
This development can be seen throughout the whole sector, everybody can try and make music or something on film, without much equipment.
I'm really interested, if directors just do it to boost their sales figures by some points or if they really like it, but I think it's the latter. There is a jungle out there and everybody tries to survive.
In spit(e) of everything there seems to be the market for it and I was quite surprised how many people like this spitting fetish...it does nothing to me. g/g mouth to mouth spitting - thread
One of the biggest scene killers for me is when the guy starts spitting. There is one guy that does it so much he actually makes me angry enough to turn the whole damn thing off.
And when one of them starts doing it, it's like he found a new toy. Disgusting.
But, of course, this is my opinion only, and it's probably in the minority since so many of these guys who think the scene is all about them do it so much.
Oh, and wow! Put tape on your comma key.
I assume English is not your first language, so don't take offense. You write in English much better than I can write in any foreign language. The closest I could come would be Spanish, and even there my Spanish vocabulary doesn't come close to your English vocabulary.
My problem is I don't know where to place commas and got always 13-15 missing commas in an English homework in Germany. I was never interested in commas and I hated them, so I always ignored them. Don't tell me you really care for commas, so you have to pause reading?
Who is the dope that decided it would be hot to watch guys spit? Sineplex is the worst offender. Their hairy eurodudes hocker up about every 20 seconds. Totally revolting.
Yep, sad as it is to say, they have been the worst offender in the past.
However, apparently they have stopped this trend, or at least greatly reduced it.
I love Sineplex, so it made me even more angry to see that Steven French guy incessantly hock lugies all over some beautifuil girl's asshole. They stopped using him, though, if my info is correct.
Trends have done alot of damage to porn , in my opinion as well.... but many elements that are favorable to some are loathsome to others. It also depends in what context they are presented. For example , I love to see 2 women exchanging spit from mouth to mouth ... but I hate seeing a man involved. It is obviously impossible for someone,who doesn't like spit fetish , to understand the appeal of it ...just like it's impossible for me to understand the appeal of "Foot fetish". It's definately hard to agree on what is good or not good for porn because we all have our personal opinions on the matter.
Well ... for some people,YES. I like the hard spitting from from a distance , as well. I find it kinky and so do alot of other people. But , that's my point....you can't understand it but there are surely some things that you like that I , and many others, wouldn't understand or agree with either. It's all a matter of personal taste , isn't it ?
The Best things In Life Are Chocolate 732 Posts 11/05
Posted - Jan 22 2006 : 3:08PM
I am still a big fan of features. Gonzo is not a big turn on for me. I will watch those from time to time but for me it is the same old same old. I will take a Vivid or Wicked feature anytime with some erotic looking women like Jenna Jameson or Sydnee Steele for example.
Spitting is fine with me, if it's saliva only. Saliva's a convenient natural lube. I use it all the time, and so does Mr. P. Spitting is the quickest and easiest way to apply saliva to the desired surface. As I said, as long as it's pure saliva, I think it's great, as long as it's not put to waste. One has to use it; otherwise it's insulting.
The problem with saliva is that it stinks. If lube is needed, there are plenty of good ones to choose from. Hell, even KY is OK in the absence of anything else. But spit? Spit's bad.
Way bad.
Hell, I don't even like the smell of it when I lick my fingers while eating chicken wings! But during sex? Ugh. When I'm watching porn I like to imagine certain things about the scene... What must her skin feel like through that satin teddy? What must it be like to have those tits in my face? But if there's spit involved, I have a pretty good idea of what the whole thing must now smell like, and thats not good at all.
Nothing says I love you so much as a tongue in the ass. 2884 Posts 1/03
Posted - Jan 22 2006 : 6:26PM
You might want to consider seeing a dental hygienist. Don't you swap spit when you kiss, or do you only peck? I can understand an aversion to phlegm. Hocking loogies at each other is pretty disgusting.
Just adding my $.02, I am with the spit-haters. It's one of the things that instantly kills the eroticism of a scene, especially when girls keep swapping "cum", when it is actually 90% spit. It's disgusting. I would die happy if no scene ever had spit at all.
Guys spitting in scenes makes me hitting FF. Sineplex seems to cater specifically for the spit/ATP market, which is a shame. I really like a lot of their girls looks.
Sorry DanL. Maybe I'm not understanding you. Seems to me there are way way more condom-free performances than you think there are. The only time I see condoms these days are in features and there doesn't seem to be a lot of spitting, choking, punching, etc. in your average Vivid or Wicked title. What exactly are you viewing?
When it comes to "condom only" scenarios, I'm talking about feature films, from Wicked (my favorite), Vivid, Digital, Adam & Eve, and a few (and getting smaller) other adult film companies. I suppose "barebacks" occur often in gonzo, but I rarely waste my time, and money, watching something, which any one-eyed, one-armed wino could produce. I have, however, seen enough of the above genre to know that filmed scenes, including spitting on, slapping, kicking, choking, and other abuses of women, are used by gonzo directors, as compensations for their lack of creativity, and overall cinematic skills. For example, one of the highlights, for me, re a DVD format, is the opportunty to see the "innards" of an adult film production, through behind the scene segments, and interviews, where I (as an avid smoke fetishist) am always hoping, to see sexy female porn stars, lighting up, and relaxing with a cigarette break between their filmed scenes. Unfortunately, this rarely happens. The majority of feature films (especally those from Wicked) take the viewer into the day by day trials and tribulations of the director, performers and stage crew. Through this technical style, one can easily see, and appreciate, the energy and work required to put out an adult feature-type film. Now, take home a gonzo type DVD, and if there is a behind the scene segment at all, it will usually consist of childish antics by the film crew-- licking the camera lens, "mooning" the camera operator and "belching" in front of the camera. Next, comes the photo section, where gonzo-style photographers, such as Brandon Iron, must first do an imitation of Lawrence Welk ("a one and a two") before snapping each picture. Even I, who have never operated a piece of sophisticated camera equipment in my life, know that skilled camera operators allow their models to "flow with the mood," as random shots are taken. Finally, comes the gonzo interview section, featuring "deep," probing questions---"How did you get into the business?-- "Does your family know?-- How old were you when you had your first sexual experience?-- Do you prefer boys or girls?-- and perhaps, the most "riveting" question of them all, "What are you going to do for us today?"-- end of interview, end of gonzo behind the scenes. Sure, there are exceptions to the above. Rocco, in my opinion, presents the "very best" behind the scene segments of all the many gonzo directors, simply because, he continues to film SEXUAL activity, and allows his performers to "be themselves" in, what appears to be, spontaneous behavior, and YES!, they are often filmed, SMOKING! This gonzo format, however, is not the norm, although, it could easily be a standard. These, then, are the differences between your typical gonzo production, and a feature, plot-driven adult film. For the producer, however, its much simpler-- 20K vs 100K-- and why, sadly, for every feature film produced today, there are at least, TWENTY, "Getting Out Nothing, Zilch, 0" (GONZO) productions. WOW! thanx to several of you for "CRUDiquing" my keyboard faults. Believe it or not, I never knew the "return" key, would set new paragraphs, and will "certainly" use it in the future. For those who care, I honestly thought, and blamed, WebTV, for my lack of paragraph structure, since WebTV can not perform anywhere near as many useful functions, as a "true" computer. A "perfect" analogy, would be to contrast the former presidency of "astute," highly-respected world leader, WILLIAM JEFFERSON CLINTON, with that of the "totally inept," george w bush!
What exactly have you watched? I want titles, so that I can avoid any kicking. I have never seen anybody kick a woman in a gonzo scene. Never. Then again, I avoid certain gonzo outfits like the plague. You'll never catch me watching Max Hardcore, for example. In what title did you see a woman kicked?
My main grumble about adult films is their very poor DVD/video quality. The definition is terrible and the camerawork sometimes not too good. I do not care much for John Leslie-style shots into the sun. Maybe I am just not enough of a connoisseur to appreciate this sort of artistry.
My second grumble is the use of very young girls. There is no need to use girls less than 23 or 24 years old.There are thousands of gorgeous women in their thirties who are much more sexually alluring than teenyboppers! Why can't we see more of them?
actually , most of us who has a spit fetish (done by the girls only) hates to see spitting done by guys - it's a real turn off. it's the same in other fetishes like guys who have foot fetish hates to see any kind of male's feet .
I second stevesteele's post. The fact that the "offending" scenes/videos exist isn't a problem, but that the offending parts have worked their way into more mainstream productions.
I guess I'm just not a very kinky guy, I've always liked my porn to be fairly straightforward. If you like watching heavily tattooed people stand on either side of a room and spit at each other while working gigantic jackhammers up their ass, then more power to you.
Vive la difference!
But please keep the films aimed at non-kink (dare I say "boring" or "unimaginative?") porn fans like me free from such things.
Now that I think of it, are these "straight" films themselves becoming a genre on their own?
Agreed. I'm not against other people having their fetishes and the market providing what they want, but it's a shame when stupid stunts like gaping, slapping, spitting, choking, etc becomes accepted as being mainstream turn-ons.
Maybe i'm biased but i refuse to read that unless you break it up into paragraphs. Just glancing at that and I can tell it's a big ol' rant.
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Posted - Feb 27 2006 : 12:02PM
We seem to go through this every few weeks, airing the same grievances. I think it's time to face up to the fact that we are the minority and the industry isn't going to change. Vile porn is made by vile people, period. If you want to see better porn, make your own.
I do make my own Ordell, but I also work for the so called "vile" people, who really aren't vile at all. (Well most of them aren't) Their customers must be vile too otherwise the stuff wouldn't be selling.
It's really complicated because if there wasn't a demand for certain types of movies then they wouldn't sell. But, there is enough diversity IMO to cater for all different tastes, from the intensity of the sex to any particular specific kinks people have. For me that's the fun of porn as a consumer, trying to find directors and companies that shoot sex the way I like it.
Generally speaking everything is currently regurgitated over and over again, from content to packaging, so industry "trends" are a fact of life.
I never go on about how I bored and annoyed I find features, vanilla porn and Andrew Blake's pathetic work... maybe I should... there's too much of this stuff out there and not enough young girls being choked while getting double ass stuffed...
funny is i dont find atm really bad, since i know my ass is cleaned, and it helps putting saliva on it, and gives my butt a little break:)
spitting during blowjobs, licking, kissing or when you spit on your fingers to lubricate the pussy or the dick or the dildo for example is to me very normal, but the way i was raised, spitting on someone from a distance for no sexual purpose as said before, is seen is the most insulting thing. if you spit on someone or to someone it means they are the lowest of the lowest and for me even worse then clling me whatever kind of name. so totally unerotic, and a definete scene killer for me
I believe there is so much porn out there that we can all "have it our way". In searching for "our way" we have discovered it is quite eclectic, elusive. We don't like the same thing in every scene or in every video. We get bored with a video that features the same porn star in every scene and so we tend to avoid them. We are turned off by videos with certain directors, directing certain men with certain women and so we are starting to avoid them. It's difficult to figure this out and you can't possibly do it by just looking at boxcovers so that is why so many people are frustrated and disappointed when they find out they picked the "wrong" dvd again. Obviously, there are people out there who like the kinda stuff others in this thread don't (take Gunzo for example ... he's got an opinion too). Sooo ..... we are trying to get better at knowing ourselves and finding out whose videos we like to watch and whose we normally fast forward through. I recommend that for everybody here to improve your porn experience. There is choice out there. I think some smartie out there (maybe DAC or Steve Holmes) said that in response to my first post on ADT.
