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| Ultrasiet2 Wam Bam! Clan Monique, Ultra, Jesse - bustin' suckas down under! 1433 Posts 12/04 | Tricia, I don't know if you've seen Blazed and Confused or Girl's Night Out, but are you a fan of Penny Flame's films where she is director? If not, next time you fancy putting on a porno while you do the ironing, watch any of the Blazed and Confused series. Let's play hypothetical - is her style of film-making something that would appeal to yourself and John to distribute, and in doing so, diversify what Evil Empire currently offers to the market? The Evil Empire has just about all bases covered. What an impressive job you've done to appeal to all aspects of the market - the Sineplex fans now that Jay Sin is on board, the 21st Sextury hard-anal-slutty-outfits crowd with your distribution of Raul Cristian's work, the IR fans with Slayer's films, and Harmony's lavish Brit-Euro productions. A genre you don't currently cover is the fun-reality-porn style that Shane's World has popularised. Enter Penny Flame. Effectively, she could give you a porn comedy line. Truth is, her films are so much fun, with great passionate sex which looks tremendously fun, and she always leads by example. If you distributed her films, you'd have (a) Penny hanging around the offices, which would be awesome (b) Penny meeting up with Manuel in the EA offices and maybe turning out an off-the-cuff classic fuck as in Sport Fucking 4, (c) an audience which may currently not go for any of the work of your current directors (I can think of many female friends who have enjoyed Shane's World stuff who think Just Fuckin' is a little too hardcore for their tastes) and (d) another new kind of enteratainment weapon to add to your considerable armoury. Now, Penny's camerawork is one of my concerns in her three Blazed and Confused releases, but with a HD camera and a solid cameraman, and this is no longer an issue. If other ADT members see a downside to this marriage of Penny and EA I'd be interested to have the discussion, because I really don't see one. This is all assuming Penny would be up for this, and I haven't asked her, but God knows why she wouldn't be. Besides, this is a hypothetical discussion, right? [;))] Anyway, have a think about it Tricia, maybe mention it to John if the idea tickles your fancy, I don't expect it's something that's likely to happen, but like the best NBA and NFL signings, this one strikes me as a business decision which would make the EA franchise and the fans happy and profitable. (Well, maybe not the fans, although investing in Penny Flame films is lucrative in a figurative, ethereal way.) Had to put it out there. [Link] |
| Crucifixio_Jones Senior Member Arrogant & Obnoxious Narcissist 4727 Posts 10/03 | |
| tricia_devereaux Evil Angel DVD Patience is a virtue, but who wants to be virtuous? 4283 Posts 4/00 | Ultra- What I think of her movies really means nothing. I actually have never seen anything she's directed other than the trailers. I'm personally not the biggest fan of my porn consisting of watching stoners be silly, so it's probably not my thing. Who knows, maybe I'm missing out on something that would totally do it for me. However, John's the one who picks Evil directors, so it's all speculation, right? For what it's worth, I used to be impartial to Penny, but I've seen the light. She has a slammin' body and seems like a fun chick. What else can we ask for in our porn girls, right? Oh yea - anal. ;) Sorry Penny... had to go there. muah |
| Crucifixio_Jones Senior Member Arrogant & Obnoxious Narcissist 4727 Posts 10/03 | |
| Ultrasiet2 Wam Bam! Clan Monique, Ultra, Jesse - bustin' suckas down under! 1433 Posts 12/04 | So if an Evil Angel fan, hypothetically, were to send John a couple of Penny discs to watch, there might be a shot across a three month period that he might whack them into a DVD player and see if he digs what she's doing? You know, help germinate a notion? |
| Ultrasiet2 Wam Bam! Clan Monique, Ultra, Jesse - bustin' suckas down under! 1433 Posts 12/04 | The girl is great. Question is: is she Evil? |
| tricia_devereaux Evil Angel DVD Patience is a virtue, but who wants to be virtuous? 4283 Posts 4/00 | |
| Ultrasiet2 Wam Bam! Clan Monique, Ultra, Jesse - bustin' suckas down under! 1433 Posts 12/04 | |
| Crucifixio_Jones Senior Member Arrogant & Obnoxious Narcissist 4727 Posts 10/03 | I tend to give her the Sorry to hear about the car crash. The rapper Game said he recovered after being shot and robbed by listening to old school rap in the hospital. You chose Penny Flame. I think I like you more than Game. Edited by - Crucifixio_Jones on 2/3/2008 5:11:17 AM |
| Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02 | |
| Dave_K99 Member 497 Posts 12/07 | To a certain extent that's because it fits my preference for a more realistic/amateur feel, rather than the slick fakeness of a typical porn scene. The performers wearing street clothes and fucking outside is just the icing on the cake. Even so, I think she's definitely one of the best performers in porn. I even like her dirty talk, while normally that kind of thing has me reaching for the mute button. |
| Crucifixio_Jones Senior Member Arrogant & Obnoxious Narcissist 4727 Posts 10/03 | Don't worry: if and when we discuss someone who doesn't do foot fetish movies, I'll page you. Edited by - Crucifixio_Jones on 2/3/2008 4:43:39 PM |
| Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02 | |
| BSD Senior Member San Diego, CA 2508 Posts 11/03 | |
| Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02 | |
| tricia_devereaux Evil Angel DVD Patience is a virtue, but who wants to be virtuous? 4283 Posts 4/00 | |
| morbidthoughts All-Star Member Big cats scare me but... 3627 Posts 1/03 | |
| Apoplexy Deactivated User 22 Posts 11/07 | |
| tricia_devereaux Evil Angel DVD Patience is a virtue, but who wants to be virtuous? 4283 Posts 4/00 | |
| Ultrasiet2 Wam Bam! Clan Monique, Ultra, Jesse - bustin' suckas down under! 1433 Posts 12/04 | I still think my economic argument is compelling. Tricia, if you'd have said 'Yeah, what a great idea but I'm not totally convinced' I'd have hit you with some kick-ass pie and line charts showing profit growth vs Penny Flame-directed film output, and an interesting Venn diagram with an intersection between rich porn consumers and Penny Flame fans. It was basically one circle. Having said that, if Penny fans really want to see this happen, feel free to turn the remainder of this thread into a poll as to who thinks it should happen. I'm sure that swell moderator Bob will come to the party and move it to Polls. Incidentally CJ and Ramsay, surely the letters IR in a Penny Flame thread stand for 'Inherently Ridiculous.' Er, twats waffles unite? Ultrasiet2, off to enact Plan B: starting the thread Jules J: how do you feel about selling a Flaming Frenzy? |
| matchmaker Senior Member 24910 Posts 4/05 | |
| morbidthoughts All-Star Member Big cats scare me but... 3627 Posts 1/03 | |
| tricia_devereaux Evil Angel DVD Patience is a virtue, but who wants to be virtuous? 4283 Posts 4/00 | you should send that report to a company that evaluates their directing roster more on profitability than on the actual movies. ;) I don't mean that as a slam on Penny AT ALL. Honestly. I'm just saying that John sells movies that he 'gets'. If all we cared about was money and prestige, we'd be distributing movies from a couple different directors who sent us samples of movies that sell fucking great, but we wouldn't be able to stand behind the product as a porn movie. Let me put it this way: After Snoop's first video for Hustler, his producers came to us and said he wanted to do the second one with John instead. We knew it would sell TONS of pieces, and get Evil Angel tons of publicity. But John didn't want to be listed as the director of a movie that wouldn't be directed in the way that he would want. He wouldn't even have been allowed to do the casting of ANY of the porn girls involved. So despite the money and publicity opportunities, he declined. Again, I'm not knocking Penny's movies. Like I said, I've never seen one. However, I'm just pointing out that if I was to list 10 things in order of what John's considerations are when he's evaluating a potential new director, their current sales would probably come up as about item number 7 or 8. This is going to sound INCREDIBLY arrogant, but I strongly believe in John's track record in picking directors from the hundreds of director 'applicants' he's received. Bottom line is... if he picks a director who makes good movies, then regardless of the person's previous sales numbers, their movies WILL sell with the Evil Angel logo at the top of that DVD cover. |
| Jackstah Member 531 Posts 3/07 | |
| tricia_devereaux Evil Angel DVD Patience is a virtue, but who wants to be virtuous? 4283 Posts 4/00 | Movies coming from anyone other than the actual director - or their actual (PAID BY THEM) publicist, if that was the case - would not be something I'd ask John to make a priority to view. If the director didn't want to be at Evil Angel badly enough to send their own movies, there's way too many directors that ARE sending their own stuff. Ultra - I appreciate the thread for sure. But it usually takes me about a month after AEE (and about 2 or 3 weeks after Erotica LA) to decompress from all the directors and producers looking for a distribution deal. |
| mapofhawaii Senior Member 1050 Posts 3/06 | |
| daredevil2025 Member Penny for your thoughts? 756 Posts 6/05 | No Beer, No TV, Make Homer Go Crazy! |
| Ultrasiet2 Wam Bam! Clan Monique, Ultra, Jesse - bustin' suckas down under! 1433 Posts 12/04 | Threads like that need mercy-locking - thread euthanasia - to make it look like the moderators prevented further posting, and not that anyone actually didn't give a shit. Mandy Bright likes dressing up as a nasty nurse - maybe should could be the thread mercy killer. |
| Crucifixio_Jones Senior Member Arrogant & Obnoxious Narcissist 4727 Posts 10/03 | |
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| Ultrasiet2 Wam Bam! Clan Monique, Ultra, Jesse - bustin' suckas down under! 1433 Posts 12/04 |
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| Ultrasiet2 Wam Bam! Clan Monique, Ultra, Jesse - bustin' suckas down under! 1433 Posts 12/04 |
I guess the reason for the thread, far from a burgeoning loyalty to Penny, whom I've never met and never will, is that I crave an alternative to the earnest 'passion' or worst still dutiful fucking of modern porn: funy, zany porn. I buy every single Christoph and Jake release and love their work, their brand of serious depravity, but what I get from a Penny Flame directed piece I get from no other director or production company on the market - fun, adventure porn from a wacky female perspective. You're right - Penny's the one that needs to drive that. Still, interesting discussion. |
| threesomebody Official BlowBang Judge Would you like my autograph? 2491 Posts 12/04 | |
| Gentleman Jon All-Star Member 1881 Posts 6/05 | When I met Penny at her merchandise table when she was feature dancing, she had several DVDs for sale, including her Blazed stuff, but when I asked her for her recommendation, she advised against Blazed. This was just a few weeks after it had come out that Shane's World had fired her, so I don't know if her not recommending her own movies was because she was mad at them, or because she got to talk to me enough to realize that I was not a stoner myself, so maybe she thought I wouldn't 'get' those movies. She said it was because those were the first movies she had ever directed, and she thought the inexperience showed, but I'm not sure I entirely buy that explanation. |
| Savoy All-Star Member Sucker for Sinners 1844 Posts 12/06 | I don't care whether Penny does anal or not. It does bother me that she chooses to acknowledge IR as legitimate by not performing it. IR is complete and utter bullshit. It's racism no matter what the girl's reason for not doing it is - whether it's concern over offending her family or part of her 5-year porno career plan. edited: can't keep these porn girls' names straight. Edited by - savoy on 2/5/2008 2:06:48 PM |
| Savoy All-Star Member Sucker for Sinners 1844 Posts 12/06 | Thinking of Penny Flame and Evil Angel together makes a very loud clanging clash in my brain. Their images don't mesh. I like my Penny Flame in featureland. Even when she does gonzo, she still performs a feature scene. All of her scenes have a story. Every last one of them. If one doesn't exist, she makes it up. Her creativity and acting skills are her biggest draw to me. Not to mention her delicious boobies. [sigh] I love them. |
| Jackstah Member 531 Posts 3/07 | |
| Savoy All-Star Member Sucker for Sinners 1844 Posts 12/06 | |
| Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02 | |
| tricia_devereaux Evil Angel DVD Patience is a virtue, but who wants to be virtuous? 4283 Posts 4/00 | |
| Ultrasiet2 Wam Bam! Clan Monique, Ultra, Jesse - bustin' suckas down under! 1433 Posts 12/04 |
For me, I like to see a little more variety, creativity and passion in my porn, so that’s why I have to conclude that Tamed Teens just doesn’t do enough for me. I’d love to see Raul Cristian actually put some kind of context around the scenes and break away a little from this formula approach. Too many Raul Cristians in porn at the moment, not enough Penny Flames. She has a bit of work to improve her technical skills, but the mindset is what would make her worth hiring. 3SB - I take your point. I work in health, stoners are hopeless patients and tremendously annoying people, particularly when they act as if they're part of a vaunted club. I see Blazed as a series that had a dubious central premise but which allowed Penny to take centre stage and show us her zany personality. It was largely engaging in spite of the stoner shenaningans. I didn't realise she was petulant after the Shane's World split. I can imagine her struggling to pitch Blazed to a porn consumer who knows what he's watching - when I first saw Blazed, the camerawork almost made me throw it in the bin. Then I watched the whole thing and loved it. That said, got to support your work. A bit troubling that she didn't. Matchmaker - I told you, I'm director of a retail health and cosmetics company. The only way I could possibly direct Penny is on the CCTV cameras in one of our stores...which opens up possibilities I suppose... |
| matchmaker Senior Member 24910 Posts 4/05 | |
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| Ultrasiet2 Wam Bam! Clan Monique, Ultra, Jesse - bustin' suckas down under! 1433 Posts 12/04 |
You free in July? Don't give me some sad-ass excuse about doing your nails, and remember, it's only if Penny says no. |
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