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Ultrasiet2
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Posted - Feb 2 2008 : 11:58PM
Tricia, I don't know if you've seen Blazed and Confused or Girl's Night Out, but are you a fan of Penny Flame's films where she is director? If not, next time you fancy putting on a porno while you do the ironing, watch any of the Blazed and Confused series.
Let's play hypothetical - is her style of film-making something that would appeal to yourself and John to distribute, and in doing so, diversify what Evil Empire currently offers to the market?
The Evil Empire has just about all bases covered. What an impressive job you've done to appeal to all aspects of the market - the Sineplex fans now that Jay Sin is on board, the 21st Sextury hard-anal-slutty-outfits crowd with your distribution of Raul Cristian's work, the IR fans with Slayer's films, and Harmony's lavish Brit-Euro productions. A genre you don't currently cover is the fun-reality-porn style that Shane's World has popularised. Enter Penny Flame.
Effectively, she could give you a porn comedy line. Truth is, her films are so much fun, with great passionate sex which looks tremendously fun, and she always leads by example. If you distributed her films, you'd have (a) Penny hanging around the offices, which would be awesome (b) Penny meeting up with Manuel in the EA offices and maybe turning out an off-the-cuff classic fuck as in Sport Fucking 4, (c) an audience which may currently not go for any of the work of your current directors (I can think of many female friends who have enjoyed Shane's World stuff who think Just Fuckin' is a little too hardcore for their tastes) and (d) another new kind of enteratainment weapon to add to your considerable armoury.
Now, Penny's camerawork is one of my concerns in her three Blazed and Confused releases, but with a HD camera and a solid cameraman, and this is no longer an issue. If other ADT members see a downside to this marriage of Penny and EA I'd be interested to have the discussion, because I really don't see one.
This is all assuming Penny would be up for this, and I haven't asked her, but God knows why she wouldn't be. Besides, this is a hypothetical discussion, right? [;))]
Anyway, have a think about it Tricia, maybe mention it to John if the idea tickles your fancy, I don't expect it's something that's likely to happen, but like the best NBA and NFL signings, this one strikes me as a business decision which would make the EA franchise and the fans happy and profitable. (Well, maybe not the fans, although investing in Penny Flame films is lucrative in a figurative, ethereal way.)
Had to put it out there.
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Posted - Feb 3 2008 : 12:04AM
I, for one, simply CANNOT WAIT to see Tricia's reply.
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Posted - Feb 3 2008 : 12:11AM
Crucifixio- fuckin' troublemaker. lol
Ultra-
What I think of her movies really means nothing. I actually have never seen anything she's directed other than the trailers. I'm personally not the biggest fan of my porn consisting of watching stoners be silly, so it's probably not my thing. Who knows, maybe I'm missing out on something that would totally do it for me.
However, John's the one who picks Evil directors, so it's all speculation, right?
For what it's worth, I used to be impartial to Penny, but I've seen the light. She has a slammin' body and seems like a fun chick. What else can we ask for in our porn girls, right? Oh yea - anal. ;) Sorry Penny... had to go there. muah
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Posted - Feb 3 2008 : 12:16AM
Anal?
ANAL?
That's the only problem you have with Penny Flame??? Honestly?
Calling tritone and messhuga...
For the record, in my opinion, anal, IR or not, Penny Flame is just about the coolest chick on the Planet ERF and I mean that from the bottom of my heart.
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Posted - Feb 3 2008 : 12:18AM
The stoners-being-silly thing is a large part of her appeal, but she's fun when completely in control of her faculties also, if not more fun. I strongly believe she could bifurcate her output into 'non-stoner' films and 'stoner' films. Think of it as a Nasty Tails/Dirty Dreams categorisation.
So if an Evil Angel fan, hypothetically, were to send John a couple of Penny discs to watch, there might be a shot across a three month period that he might whack them into a DVD player and see if he digs what she's doing? You know, help germinate a notion?
 
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Posted - Feb 3 2008 : 12:21AM
Flat out agreed. For the record CJ, my grandfolks are from Guyana and Trinidad. I love Penny Flame regardless of what boxes she ticks. She makes porn fun . I'm pretty sure I scored one lay from having a Penny scene on in the background, and giggling to her antics in Blazed and Confused helped me recovering from a car crash last year.
The girl is great. Question is: is she Evil?
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Posted - Feb 3 2008 : 12:22AM
If I had to venture a guess, I'd say that John wouldn't find her a fit into the current Evil roster.
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Posted - Feb 3 2008 : 12:23AM
Get her into mini-camp maybe? I hear guys love her cumming off the bench.
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Posted - Feb 3 2008 : 5:09AM
Well, I know some that'd definitely say she's "evil" if not Evil .
I tend to give her the 'cause her make me and . I kid. She really is a dope kid. But all the aforementioned is definitely true, too.
Sorry to hear about the car crash. The rapper Game said he recovered after being shot and robbed by listening to old school rap in the hospital. You chose Penny Flame. I think I like you more than Game.
Edited by - Crucifixio_Jones on 2/3/2008 5:11:17 AM
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Posted - Feb 3 2008 : 9:56AM
Congrats CJ, you're now officially a troll trying to bait people into starting another IR flamewar. Nobody mentioned IR so why do you have to bring it up?
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Posted - Feb 3 2008 : 12:09PM
Just watching Penny's scenes from Blazed and Confused 1&2. I can see why all the stoner comedy stuff annoys some people (don't most people fast forward to the sex anyway?), but I love the natural feel to her porn scenes. Particularly in B&C2, where the editing is pretty minimal and she really seems to get into the action and enjoy herself. I think that's one of my favourite scenes of all time.
To a certain extent that's because it fits my preference for a more realistic/amateur feel, rather than the slick fakeness of a typical porn scene. The performers wearing street clothes and fucking outside is just the icing on the cake. Even so, I think she's definitely one of the best performers in porn. I even like her dirty talk, while normally that kind of thing has me reaching for the mute button.
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Posted - Feb 3 2008 : 12:40PM
Thanks Ramsey. Your opinion of me means the world. I brought up their names to make a point (that Tricia has gone head-to-head with Penny about not doing IR in the past here and she neglected to mention or apparently even remember those discussions when talking about her "problems" with Flame) and to poke fun at myself (because people here recently accused me of riding those two too hard on the subject), not to really call them out.
Don't worry: if and when we discuss someone who doesn't do foot fetish movies, I'll page you.
Edited by - Crucifixio_Jones on 2/3/2008 4:43:39 PM
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Posted - Feb 3 2008 : 1:41PM
You have no point, you only want the two guys to reply to you so you can start another IR-flamewar which I think you actually enjoy because you post in every one of them. I mean this thread wasn't about IR until you made it one.
How about giving this IR thing a rest and stop baiting people?
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Posted - Feb 3 2008 : 2:48PM
Friends -
Ramsey, is calling someone out and piling on about an unreasonable fixation with race in porn?
RAMSEY?!
The Apocalypse is upon us. Armageddon starts in two hours.
Ramsey my friend, you have GOT to be kidding.
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Posted - Feb 3 2008 : 3:03PM
It's Bizarro Adult DVD Talk ;-)
 
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Posted - Feb 3 2008 : 4:59PM
BSD - you're frickin' hilarious.
Ramsey-
I'm fairly dim when it comes to sarcasm, but even I got that Crucifixio was making fun of me and my history with Penny, and of himself.
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Posted - Feb 3 2008 : 5:41PM
I'm sad I saw this thread too late to start snarking away.
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You guys should hire eli cross.
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Eli has a very nice job for another company.
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Posted - Feb 4 2008 : 2:47AM
Oh well, it was worth a try. Penny at Evil Angel is not to be.
I still think my economic argument is compelling. Tricia, if you'd have said 'Yeah, what a great idea but I'm not totally convinced' I'd have hit you with some kick-ass pie and line charts showing profit growth vs Penny Flame-directed film output, and an interesting Venn diagram with an intersection between rich porn consumers and Penny Flame fans. It was basically one circle.
Having said that, if Penny fans really want to see this happen, feel free to turn the remainder of this thread into a poll as to who thinks it should happen.
I'm sure that swell moderator Bob will come to the party and move it to Polls.
Incidentally CJ and Ramsay, surely the letters IR in a Penny Flame thread stand for 'Inherently Ridiculous.'
Er, twats waffles unite?
Ultrasiet2, off to enact Plan B: starting the thread Jules J: how do you feel about selling a Flaming Frenzy?
matchmaker
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Posted - Feb 4 2008 : 3:01AM
Ultrasiet2, maybe you should try to get Penny to direct for you since you started up a company. By the way, you hear from Penny yet?
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Posted - Feb 4 2008 : 3:03AM
I still want to see this.
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Posted - Feb 4 2008 : 1:39PM
Ultra-
you should send that report to a company that evaluates their directing roster more on profitability than on the actual movies. ;)
I don't mean that as a slam on Penny AT ALL. Honestly. I'm just saying that John sells movies that he 'gets'. If all we cared about was money and prestige, we'd be distributing movies from a couple different directors who sent us samples of movies that sell fucking great, but we wouldn't be able to stand behind the product as a porn movie.
Let me put it this way:
After Snoop's first video for Hustler, his producers came to us and said he wanted to do the second one with John instead. We knew it would sell TONS of pieces, and get Evil Angel tons of publicity. But John didn't want to be listed as the director of a movie that wouldn't be directed in the way that he would want. He wouldn't even have been allowed to do the casting of ANY of the porn girls involved. So despite the money and publicity opportunities, he declined.
Again, I'm not knocking Penny's movies. Like I said, I've never seen one. However, I'm just pointing out that if I was to list 10 things in order of what John's considerations are when he's evaluating a potential new director, their current sales would probably come up as about item number 7 or 8. This is going to sound INCREDIBLY arrogant, but I strongly believe in John's track record in picking directors from the hundreds of director 'applicants' he's received. Bottom line is... if he picks a director who makes good movies, then regardless of the person's previous sales numbers, their movies WILL sell with the Evil Angel logo at the top of that DVD cover.
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Posted - Feb 4 2008 : 3:35PM
Only problem I've got with miss Flame.
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Posted - Feb 4 2008 : 3:42PM
Oh, I missed the part about a fan sending a director's movies.
Movies coming from anyone other than the actual director - or their actual (PAID BY THEM) publicist, if that was the case - would not be something I'd ask John to make a priority to view.
If the director didn't want to be at Evil Angel badly enough to send their own movies, there's way too many directors that ARE sending their own stuff.
Ultra - I appreciate the thread for sure. But it usually takes me about a month after AEE (and about 2 or 3 weeks after Erotica LA) to decompress from all the directors and producers looking for a distribution deal.
 
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Posted - Feb 4 2008 : 3:56PM
Speaking of Penny, Tricia I was wondering if you have heard of the Playtime Productions videos? Penny has done a ton of those and if you were to ever do another scene, I would love for it to be for this line. They basically are pantyhose and panty jerk-off encouragement videos. Lots of porn stars have done them including Jenna Haze, Penny, Courtney Simpson, Nina Hartley, Kelly Kline, Kelly Wells, Sative Rose, and on and on. Just a thought in case you do get the itch to be in front of the camera again.
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Posted - Feb 4 2008 : 8:39PM
Well, if this was a poll, I'd say Penny would be great directing for Evil. It's kind of funny, or pathetic (not sure which), but I started a thread a ways back about Penny possibly directing for Diabolic,and all I heard were crickets chirping. Not one response from anyone, so thanks Ultra for starting another Penny thread where I could throw my vote towards the Flamester.
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Posted - Feb 5 2008 : 5:32AM
Can't be any worse than the Jazz Duro thread I started, where I was so bored with my own first post I didn't even bother to finish it.
Threads like that need mercy-locking - thread euthanasia - to make it look like the moderators prevented further posting, and not that anyone actually didn't give a shit.
Mandy Bright likes dressing up as a nasty nurse - maybe should could be the thread mercy killer.
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Posted - Feb 5 2008 : 6:18AM
That's one more problem than I've got with her.
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Posted - Feb 5 2008 : 8:15AM
Only problem I've got with miss Flame.
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That plus boredom.
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Posted - Feb 5 2008 : 8:24AM
Big call, but you know what? You're completely correct. It's a rippin' scene and you, dear sir, have taste. (And unlike others with coarse sensibilities, don't get bored easily.)
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Posted - Feb 5 2008 : 8:30AM
So true. Thanks for you responses Tricia, the Snoop Dogg story was particularly interesting and probably best elucidates John's philosophy. Admire the man for sticking with it.
I guess the reason for the thread, far from a burgeoning loyalty to Penny, whom I've never met and never will, is that I crave an alternative to the earnest 'passion' or worst still dutiful fucking of modern porn: funy, zany porn. I buy every single Christoph and Jake release and love their work, their brand of serious depravity, but what I get from a Penny Flame directed piece I get from no other director or production company on the market - fun, adventure porn from a wacky female perspective. You're right - Penny's the one that needs to drive that. Still, interesting discussion.
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Posted - Feb 5 2008 : 8:36AM
I had no clue that Penny Flame had ever directed anything until I saw this thread. I have always liked her performances, and I like her blog. She seems like a cool, intelligent, fun person who I'd love to hang with. But the whole deal with glamorizing pot smoking seems stupid to me. Don't get me wrong, I am just as in favor of smoking pot as the next guy; however, I don't see any reason for someone to completely identify himself or herself with it. I mean, it's a fucking plant. Don't most people in porn smoke pot? How is this different? And if it is different, then are these movies porn or are they commercials for pot? I don't see the point, I guess.
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I agree with 3sb about not getting the stoner culture. If you smoke pot, that's fine, but why the whole set of jargon, and posters of the plant, et cetera, et cetera?
When I met Penny at her merchandise table when she was feature dancing, she had several DVDs for sale, including her Blazed stuff, but when I asked her for her recommendation, she advised against Blazed. This was just a few weeks after it had come out that Shane's World had fired her, so I don't know if her not recommending her own movies was because she was mad at them, or because she got to talk to me enough to realize that I was not a stoner myself, so maybe she thought I wouldn't 'get' those movies. She said it was because those were the first movies she had ever directed, and she thought the inexperience showed, but I'm not sure I entirely buy that explanation.
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Posted - Feb 5 2008 : 10:27AM
She was incredibly pissed at Shane's World when she got fired. So much so that she became pretty petulant and childish towards them in her blog with that whole "Casey Parker is bullshit" thing and calling Shane's World employees names. It wasn't her at her best.
I don't care whether Penny does anal or not. It does bother me that she chooses to acknowledge IR as legitimate by not performing it. IR is complete and utter bullshit. It's racism no matter what the girl's reason for not doing it is - whether it's concern over offending her family or part of her 5-year porno career plan.
edited: can't keep these porn girls' names straight.

Edited by - savoy on 2/5/2008 2:06:48 PM

 
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Posted - Feb 5 2008 : 10:39AM
Oh - as for the thread topic.
Thinking of Penny Flame and Evil Angel together makes a very loud clanging clash in my brain. Their images don't mesh.
I like my Penny Flame in featureland. Even when she does gonzo, she still performs a feature scene. All of her scenes have a story. Every last one of them. If one doesn't exist, she makes it up. Her creativity and acting skills are her biggest draw to me. Not to mention her delicious boobies. [sigh] I love them.
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Posted - Feb 5 2008 : 1:12PM
I find not doing IR is more respectful than what Barbie Cummings is doing.
I thought spring was bad but the barbie stuff is just sickening.
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I had to check out Barbie Cummings. I didn't know who she was. I agree that what she's doing is highly disgusting. She's paying her bills by capitalizing on all the racists perverts out there. But you write as though if Penny Flame were to perform IR she'd be stuck doing Black Buck scenarios in porn parodies of "The Birth of a Nation". There is a middle ground. How about the idea that it doesn't matter? That it's just another scene? With just another partner? Don't give the category of IR respect by acknowledging it which is what any porn girl does by not performing it.
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Posted - Feb 5 2008 : 2:00PM
If they didn't sign a great director like Brandon Iron then why would they sign Flame? Think McFly Think.
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Posted - Feb 5 2008 : 2:17PM
Ramsey -
I've explained it before...
Brandon was too scared to attempt to direct a movie for us. Brandon never being an Evil Angel director had nothing to do with him not being offered a spot.
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Posted - Feb 5 2008 : 3:30PM
Interesting observation Savoy, I agree with you, but that's exactly why Penny would be a good fit for a label of the magnitude and range of Evil Angel, if not that company itself. She brings a unique sensibility to gonzo scenes, and that point of difference makes her directorial approach a useful asset to whatever label signs her. I'm going to quote Gabriel Nine here, who sums up his feelings in his review of Tamed Teens:
For me, I like to see a little more variety, creativity and passion in my porn, so that’s why I have to conclude that Tamed Teens just doesn’t do enough for me. I’d love to see Raul Cristian actually put some kind of context around the scenes and break away a little from this formula approach.
Too many Raul Cristians in porn at the moment, not enough Penny Flames. She has a bit of work to improve her technical skills, but the mindset is what would make her worth hiring.
3SB - I take your point. I work in health, stoners are hopeless patients and tremendously annoying people, particularly when they act as if they're part of a vaunted club. I see Blazed as a series that had a dubious central premise but which allowed Penny to take centre stage and show us her zany personality. It was largely engaging in spite of the stoner shenaningans.
I didn't realise she was petulant after the Shane's World split. I can imagine her struggling to pitch Blazed to a porn consumer who knows what he's watching - when I first saw Blazed, the camerawork almost made me throw it in the bin. Then I watched the whole thing and loved it. That said, got to support your work. A bit troubling that she didn't.
Matchmaker - I told you, I'm director of a retail health and cosmetics company. The only way I could possibly direct Penny is on the CCTV cameras in one of our stores...which opens up possibilities I suppose...
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I'm sure there's some joke here relating to finding the "Penny in a Field of Sodomites," but I just don't have the time to sort it. Feel free, everyone!

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Posted - Mar 15 2008 : 6:00AM
Hey CJ, if I don't succeed in flying Penny Flame out to Sydney for Sexpo in July, my back-up plan is to fly you out here and convince Australian fans that you are one of the Black Pipe Layers. It will be one heck of a prank, but it will probably work.
You free in July? Don't give me some sad-ass excuse about doing your nails, and remember, it's only if Penny says no.
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