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And today my rant is about wardrobe malfunction in porn.
I don't mean to pick on the lady, because I love me some Haley Paige, but practically every damned movie I've seen her in she's wearing nothing but her birthday suit. Yeah, it's a great suit, but you can only look at it so many times before it loses some of its zing.
So why is it that most producers don't recognize this and use wardrobe to their advantage? And why is it that most producers' idea of wardrobe is "hooker-on-steroids" gear? This is what I mean by wardrobe malfunction. Here's a huge area of creativity that only JJ and a couple of others even attempt to explore. Even then, mostly it's "Doesn't this look hot, now let's get her out of it." That's great if the lady's only done a handful of scenes, but when that body's been explored from every angle already it's time to leave some on! [/rant]
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Posted - Oct 4 2005 : 10:20PM
I have said this a million times before but I want to see my girls in regular cute girl clothes. Then I want to see them remove those clothes. Them I want to see them mercilessly ass fucked into oblivion.
A lot of times it sexier when the clothing doesn't come totally off, like they were so hot for each other they didn't want to take the time. The right clothing also highlights certain parts and draws attention away from others.
I agree, I'd like to see some sexy outfits on my porn women, especially anything with thigh high stockings. I'd also like to see them wear the outfit for more than a couple seconds, before stripping everything off.
I don't want them to strip everything off every time. Leave a blouse on. Leave a bra on and pull the panties to the side. Hike a skirt up. Show some imagination.
i'm convinced the hideous fishnet-craze is related to girls wanting to work frequently but needing to cover the bruises from being shitbeat on the previous day's set. i'm half-kidding, but it seems like it could be more than coincidental that the more aggressive things became, the more neon webbing they seem to be dressing the girls with.
anyhow, i'm with you hardware, and not just haley paige. it just can't be neon fishnets, i played lacrosse, drive a station wagon and have a family place on the vineyard-hooker clothes freak me the fuck out. i feel like they're totally ignoring my market in general.
I agree with you, Hardware, with this reservation:
Sometimes I'll be watching a scene and I'm dying for the woman to take off her top so I can see her tits. And if I never get to see her tits in that scene, it makes me crazy. It's a kind of voyeur's blue balls.
I agree. Prefer nicer clothes and sheer stockings to fishnets, etc. And when clothes are removed, the removal should be left in the movie. No cutting from the girl clothed, to naked and on her knees giving a bj; I want to see the intermediate steps between completely clothed to naked, if she ever gets to completely naked.
I also like to see "reverse stripping" where the girl starts out naked and gets dressed in something hot. Von Swine has some of this kind of thing in BTS footage, and it's hot.
Zero Tolerance's Fishnets (and I would assume Fishnets 2) is that way, in the movies themselves. Girls start scenes naked, then seductively put fishnet clothing on, with music playing, then music quits and men enter the scene and take clothes back off, as needed. I'd still prefer non-fishnet lingerie and hosiery, but it is a pretty good porn flick. The only other problem with it is if you like Euro Lucy Lee and you watch the movie in it's set running order instead of skipping around, the rest of the movie will be a bit anti-climactic since her scene is first.
I find it much more erotic to see a woman having sex with some sort of clothing ON... I find business attire, ie... a nice skirt riding up and exposing white panties w/hose and garter ..and the woman being fucked while wearing those clothes..along with a nice opened untucked white blouse still being worn to be much sexier than a totally naked woman. I much prefer semi clothed or clothing in dissaray truly erotic. Women having sex in business attire is kinky..or any clothing... again.. seems many of the present day directors dont pay much attention to the Golden Age of eroticism in porn. About the only thing I think is a GOOD advancement is that women now shave or trim their pubic areas.
When briefing a couple before a shoot we ask them to bring three outfits: A casual date/around the house outfit, an evening date outfit, and a Sunday morning or I wore this because I want you to fuck me outfit. When the couple arrives, we have a look at their selections and then try to match that to the way the set looks, the way the light looks, and the general mood on the set at that time.
We have yet to have a woman come with a particulary extravagant lingerie set, or have a fellow being his dungeon master leather harness. I'm not opposed to shooting people in more "costumey" get-ups, but I hate it when there's a mismatch between that the people, set, and costume. Also, I think it's much more interesting to see people who look "regular" turn into sex freaks, than it is to see a woman dressed like a flamboyant trannie street hooker turn in lack luster performance. The set and/or costume shouldn't be the first thing you remember about a scene.
do most of us jerk off to women dressed as streetwalkers? doubtful. as tony hit on, "regular" clothes aren't half bad, more attractive women wear them than latex corsets in real life anyhow. i'd probably rather see the girls wear what they showed up with in the bts than mimicking rupaul.
In a porn world where a popular actress can have thirty titles out in no time, it seems to me directors are ignoring a simple and effective way to differentiate their scene from the other twenty-nine.
Vanessa Chase did a scene with Alex Sanders for one of the Hotel Sodom series where she wore this incredible blouse that did wonderful things to her already-outstanding breasts. Now, it's true that the camera-work/editing could have been better, and had Vanessa been naked it would just have been an average scene. The fact that her blouse was such outstanding eye candy is what made the scene unique and a must-have.
this is one of those to each his own. Myself I like the lady started off in something sexy then strip down to nothing. Although I do like see a girl go at it with tennis shoes and ankle shocks on for some reason
I've mentioned it many times. There is one movie I watched recently(really can't remember the name), but the scene opens with a little montage of the girls coming in, and changing from their street clothes into the god awful stripper/porn gear for the scene.
I was so annoyed to see them take off the nice, attractive clothes that I wanted to see them in and put on something less attractive, and more obnoxious.
Amen to this whole thread. I can only imagine how much more I could get my girlfriend to watch porn with me if we were both looking forward to the cute outfits as well as all the usual..
I agree with TC that people wearing subdued outfits and then becoming sex freaks is hot, but I gotta admit to liking "slutty" clothes as well. But the slutty stuff's gotta have a little bit of panache to it, even if it's not super-expensive fetish gear.
I guess it's all about variety for me. Variety in the clothing style, in the amount of time spent removing it, and in the amount that stays on in the end. But for fuck's sake, starting off a scene buck nekkid should be the least common variation.
Oh and +1million for panties pulled to the side. Yum.
I would love to see some scenes with the girls wearing tight blue jeans. Where they are walking across the room (ala, Jules Jordan style) and then bending over and teasing a bit before pulling the jeans down, etc.
OMG Hardware, its funny that you should bring this up because I've wanted to say something about wardrobe for a while.
When Bryan started directing for Pulse, he was not interested in dressing the girls in "porn clothes", or seeing them in "porn clothes". He decided that it would be great to do wardrobe for all of his movies, which we have done thus far. In Cheek Freaks, for instance, all of the girls we bought wardrobe for. I even bought them bras and panties (if necessary for the outfit) as well as accessories, and shoes. Bryan mentions it, I believe, in his interview with The Fix. That's actually the reason Kami and I went shopping the first time; to buy her outfit for the scene.
I personally love the "regular" girl look, or even the "hot girl at a club" look. Most of Bryan's movies will feature wardrobe along this theme, except for his Naturally Stacked line, that line should mainly feature the girls in clothing that emphasizes their breasts.
Your comment reminds me of Judging India - a largely forgettable movie made noteworthy only by the sexy club outfits India was wearing under her judge's robes. Clothing won't save a scene but it can certainly enhance it, and hot club-wear definitely fits the bill.
Again, my point is that variety is the spice of life, and here's such a simple way for a shooter to distinguish his (or her) presentation of a performer from the other fellows. The thing is, even when the woman is nicely packaged the clothes tend to completely disappear early in the scene, which tends to defeat the purpose. It would be nice if clothing was provided with an eye to what would stay on, as well.
There seem to be two sort of 'naturally stacked' girls in the non-porn world: those who hide their cleavage/boobs and those who look for any excuse to show them off. (Looooorainnnnnne!!!!)
Sun was gracious enough to share some wardrobe pre-production still with me for Cheek Freaks , and she's not kidding, these gals are outfitted the way that everyday "hot chicks" turn themselves out – they looked like the 19 yearold cuties that I see promidating at the beach all Summer long.
Again, nothing wrong with speciality gear. But once you doll up a girl in latex and frankenhooker shoes, the rest of the production has to rise to the level of the wardrobe. Sadly, this rarely happens and the wardrobe just makes the girl (who otherwise would look super hot) look silly.
Croy wrote: “A lot of times it sexier when the clothing doesn't come totally off, like they were so hot for each other they didn't want to take the time.”
Agreed!
Daredevil2025 wrote:
“I'd like to see some sexy outfits on my porn women, especially anything with thigh high stockings. I'd also like to see them wear the outfit for more than a couple seconds, before stripping everything off.”
Agreed! I love the stockings lingerie look, both the elegant outfits and the crazy porn lingerie. Unfortunately, I do not see nearly as much elegant lingerie as crazy porn lingerie. So more elegant lingerie please! Also, they can leave some of their outfit on (they should leave the garter and hose on), as long as I can see all the good stuff!
Gentleman Jon wrote: “And when clothes are removed, the removal should be left in the movie.”
Agreed!
Ryder7 wrote: “I find business attire, ie... a nice skirt riding up and exposing white panties w/hose and garter ..and the woman being fucked while wearing those clothes.. to be much sexier than a totally naked woman. . . “
Agreed!
M vanHouten wrote: “It's not just the cloths I care about. Also the make up and hairdo.”
Agreed!
Wow, thanks everybody for already expressing many of my thoughts on this subject. One thing that hasn’t been mentioned yet is how the sexy clothing or lingerie can help create sexual tension. Imagine how the camera could linger on her body on those places where her attire is most flattering and revealing. A camera can linger on those spots and zoom in closer than they otherwise do, and then move back so you can view her all at once. This can make the scene more intense because of the anticipation that builds before the sex starts. (The same principle holds true if they are wearing a sexy outfit that is not lingerie, as well).
I only know of a few directors (Darkko, Jordan) that understand this. There is tremendous potential for directors and movie companies to make themselves stand out by exploring this. I am not suggesting that everyone try to imitate Darkko and Jordan; there is a lot of uncharted territory for directors and companies to explore without copying someone else’s style.
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Posted - Oct 6 2005 : 2:23AM
Lots and lots of Fishnets!! I've always enjoyed Fishnet-Stockings on during the entire scene. Fishnet-Tops are starting to appear more and more also, which I have been enjoying. Full-body Fishnets are always nice to see "Ripped Off" during rough-edged scenes!!
Actually, I love to see the girls dressed up in any sexy outfits. I do believe that this is very important for all scenes!!
Well it IS nice. And I do love to see the girls in the outfits that I've gotten. It's almost like playing dress up. And the shoes! Oh, I could go on, but I'll spare you.
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