Hi everybody, Hi Walter, (I did some more research, this is what I found out). I'm looking for the original title of a movie of the Hungarian twins: Marianna & Timeo Kiss. Screenies: ( the scene is in color, not black & white) and: http://www.imagehost.se/images/0gxbc4ii.jpg Both are wearing turtle neck sweaters both are wearing jeans. It's a scene with these 2 guys in it also. I googled for many hours over the last few days to find for some more info, but I have come to a dead end. If you google properly, you only find pirated terrible and badly done German versions. I want to purchase the original undubbed version that has the original language! (whatever that might be???). I searched here on ADT, and found out that member Walter Burns seems to know quite some stuff about twins etc. Unfortunately, all the titles he named didn’t seem to have the scene Im looking for. And then I found this web-site with a list of the films Timeo (and her sister Marianna) did: http://www.egafd.com/actresses/details.php/id/s0375 Mistex, (alternative titles: double jeu(x)/double jeu(x) pervers from colmax): http://www.egafd.com/films/details.php/id/m0314 Scene 3 is the scene Im looking for. One of these dudes name from this scene is Moroccan Zenza Raggi Here’s a list of all the movies he has done, but I can’t find this "Mistex" or Double jeu(x) or Double Jeu(x) pervers in his filmographies on these 2 web-sites:
That photo at the top of your post came from a movie called MISTEX (1998). It was directed by Nicky Ranieri. Most of the male and male cast were eastern european. What language was shot in would be next to impossible to determine. In such cases (of mixed cast) everybody speaks their own language and everything is dubbed later for foreign and domestic distribution (Italy, France, Germany, etc). I saw it on VHS in a French version released by Colmax years ago. From my recollection, there was not a great amount of actual dialogue, with the sex scenes taking up most of the movie's running time. There are a number of on-line distributors who offer this movie for sale: example: [ invalid url ] There are probably a lot of versions floating around (italian, french, german, etc). I don't think any would be regarded as truly "original" in the sense that everyone (male/female) is speaking a specific language. Edited by - Len801 on 11/23/2009 6:23:30 PM Edited by - Len801 on 11/23/2009 6:25:07 PM
Keep in mind that neither the EGAFD or the IAFD is complete. EGAFD is missing a lot of US movies (on purpose, they have limited time and chose to spend it on European movies) and the IAFD is missing a lot of European movies. And Len801 is right about the languages. You should check the behind-the-scenes of some Euromovies, many different languages, directors trying to explain with hand and feet what to do. Can be quite funny. Jacco
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The information on MISTEX on EGAFD is pretty much correct, as I have seen the movie a few years back (in a VHS French dubbed version, distributed by Colmax, called "Double jeu pervers"). MISTEX is the original title of the movie. The movie is available in Italy from several on-line dealers (and at a very cheap price) which I have checked through Google. For all intents and purposes it is regarded as an Italian movie, being produced and financed by the Salieri Entertainment Group. Whether you would want to consider the Italian-language version the "original" version is another matter, since it would be obvious the performers, which are almost entirely east european (for the few lines they had to deal with), would be each speaking their native tongue. In no commercially released version (French, Italian, German, etc) of this movie are you hearing the actual original audio soundtrack, as everything has been dubbed after principal photography. So yes the movie is still available through various Euro dealres, the original movie title is MISTEX, but the performers are speaking a number of various native tongues, and the movie is relatively short (about 75 mintes). Forget all the other business about John Leslie and the other French title which has nothing to do with MISTEX.
Thanks for the info guys, Len801, seems like we have the same taste in films (twins etc.)....lol. Jacco, I did not know about the sites not being complete. BTW, who is that nice looking blonde girl in your avatar? Lucky you! Anyway, as can be read from my first investigative message, I already figured that the scene I was looking for would be from the MISTEX flick. I really did not know that in some (or most) of these euromovies everyone speaks their own language and that the movie gets dubbed later in different languages depending on the markets in which they are being released. Isn't there an English dubbed version? Rocco Siffredi(Italian) and Nacho Vidal (Spanish) also make lots of movies in Russia, Eastern Europe: Both just talk either English( which doesn’t get understood by the girls very much, btw) or their own language Spanish/Italian and you can hear the poor English of the female "stars" and the original background sound( "fuck and kiss sounds"). I was hoping that there would have been an original version of this Mistex: Siffredi/Nacho –style. Too bad that there probably is no "original" version of this Mistex movie. I’d really wanted to hear the original gasping of these girls, the original languages, and the background sounds. I just hate that ridiculous German synchronization.(dubbing). It’s terrible!
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Nacho Vidal and Rocco Siffredi release their movies through Evil Angel, and that is why the dialogue your hear is in English, because Evil Angel will not take a version where people speak 5-6 languages. Anyway a good part of the content is all-sex so the dialogue is minimal: Rocco may approach a girl, and say something like "You are very pretty. What is your name? Only 19?... blah, blah, blah". Sometime New Sensations and other US companies will buy movies shot in Europe by local crew and talent (DDF for example), and they will have English dialogue, for reasons of expediency and marketing. Italian movies feature a lot of eastern european performers and 98% are movies with a plot, so each performer will speak their lines in their native tongue, and everything will be dubbed later is a variety of versions (italian, French, German). ATV and Pink'o have experimented recently in shooting in English for wider international appeal. Private has been making movies for years in which a variety of languages are spoken and verything gets dubbed later in several languages. Private has also shot some movies in a specific language (English) for wider international appeal. With regards to questions you have raised about MISTEX, as far as I know, the movie was not released in the USA so no English dub seems to exist or has been made. Again, the Italian version is considered the "official" version, but you will NOT hear direct Italian dialogue, as the performers spoke the few lines in their native tongue and everything got dubbed later. I do NOT wish to get into a long discussion of the IAFD and EGAFD database. In any database (yes even IMDB) there are shortcomings. Nothing in this world is complete or 100% accurate. They each do a very good job with the kind of information that they compile and that regular people contribute to. With regards to MISTEX, the information is pretty much correct, and there is NO reason to make any critcism for other content in that or IAFD database. As it relates to MISTEX, the EGAFD info is pretty dead on, so let's leave it at that. Edited by - Len801 on 11/24/2009 10:22:41 AM
ADT44, the lovely girl in my avatar is Annette Schwarz. Len81, I am not criticizing EGAFD or IAFD. I know the guys running those sites and we have been sponsoring the EGAFD for years. I just wanted to make the OP aware of the different focus they each have. Jacco
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Jacco, I contributed to the info about MISTEX on the EGAFD database, so I know it is pretty accurate with regards to THAT movie, since it was based on my physically seeing it. IAFD and EGAFD concentrate on different criteria. IAFD has been of lately including Euro movies, even if unreleased in the USA. ADT wanted to know what the original movie title was, what the original version was, and what language the performers were speaking. That question is moot as all these issues have been addressed. I have taken IAFD and EGAFD to task in the past about certain contents, but I have no issues with THIS movie. When the mods at IAFD hear criticism about the database content, they will normally tell you that if you have information that is different from what is there, then instead of griping you should submit changes and suggestions about the correct information. That is what I and others do to the extent that they can.
I don't know why you feel I am griping about the IAFD or the EGAFD. Both have limited resources, being run by volunteers. I just tried to explain to the OP (who didn't know that by his own admission) that neither are complete and that they have good reasons for that. I was not saying anything about this particular movie. We have been supporting the EGAFD (and the BGAFD) almost since they started. We give them free and discounted movies and do many other things for each other. From their own websites: IAFD frontpage: "...the internet adult film database is the premier resource for information about the American porn community..." EGAFD FAQ: "First, there is a concentration on the preference of the compiler which is for 'films' rather than 'gonzo' or any other form of plotless porn." "Appearances by actresses which are already listed on iafd in general have not been included." So they are complementary. Both of them are actually valuable resources for my work. Jacco
I think Len801 sometimes reads the messages of other people too fast. I don't think either Jacco or I were criticizing or complaining about the crew over at EGAFD or IAFD Len801, I thank you for your help (also in regards to that other thread about the Cortez twins https://forum.adultdvdtalk.com/forum/topic.dlt/topic_id=83989/forum_id=5/cat_id=1/reply=1670592#post1670592), but please don't get mad or interpret stuff in an uncorrect way and make it the "truth". That's the only thing that would truly be a waste of time... Jacco, thanks for Annette Schwarz She looks nice. I'm not so familiar with "Newer" porn stars (that is >2000). I'm still a rookie concerning their names
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In the first post ADT indicated he had found certain information about the movie, and he cited EGAFD. That being the case he could have posted a question THERE as there is a forum there that deals with Euro movies. In my very first post I gave information regarding the movie, and I had addressed all issues. Was there really a need to go into details that EGAFD and IAFD databases are not "complete"? What did that comment have to do with the movie, since very detailed information was already in the EGAFD database and in which I contributed to? Nobody is griping at anything, and I did NOT regard it as such, but in my view that comment was superfluous and totally unnecessary since the issue was not that that ADT had NOT found sufficient information on EGAFD. ADT had, and I just amplified that and cleared a few misunderstandings on original title, original language version, if movie was available. If I was not interested in helping, I would not have responded or provided the additional clarification/information.
And he also mentioned he could not find the movie on IAFD, hence my original remark. It was an answer to why he could find the movie on one site and not on another. Jacco
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My apologies Jacco. When I saw that ADT had over 300 posts in this forum, that he was addressing his post to Walter Burns and others, and the amount of research he had done, I had assumed he was sufficiently aware of the differences between EGAFD and IAFD databases, and information contained therein. That is why in my first response I strictly dealt with the movie itself rather the side issue of the databases.
No problem, Len. I had noticed that ADT44 has only been around here for a few months. The subject about the differences between the various databases (let's not forget the also very good Eurobabeindex) has come up before here, but not recently. Jacco
I don't get why people always "assume" things......that is what I was talking about earlier: don't interpret stuff in a way that it is useful only to your own opinion. That's lame. If I look at myself, I only take facts seriously not assumptions! Yes, I subscribed to this site a couple of months ago, at first, ONLY to get a chance to talk with director Josh Stone. But I certainly haven't been "hanging around here a couple of months". If either of you would have clicked on my profile: [ invalid url ] you would have noticed that, with 10 or so exceptions, that ALL my 300 messages were posted in the month November. Before that I read nothing but the Josh Stone thread and made 1 or so comment in another thread. So, even if some issues might have been addressed, I wouldn't know squat because, as said, I only read and wrote in the JS thread. Besides, even though someone might be a member here for longer period( im not necessarily talking about my self here) that doesn't mean they read all or most of the threads. It's more likely one will only open or follow threads that they find interesting to read because, for instance, it's about their favourite director or pornstar etc. I'm also a newbie to porn and pornstars after-2000. And in regards to all of those databases: it was the FIRST time I came on those web-sites with this investigation of mine about the twins. I did not even know of their existence let alone about why some info might be missing on either of the sites. And I must say, I really don't give a shit about the reason(s). It's their own choice as volunteers to make such databases and even if some "assume" this might be criticism then one should make those web-sites pay-sites. I'm outta here. Thanks.
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OK ADT, you may be now flogging a dead horse.. I know of no database dealing with mainstream movies (IMDB, etc) and adult movie databases (IAFD, EGAFD and its companion British site BGAFD, EBI) that restrict access to its information by way of pay subscription. I think they would be out of business in a relatively short while. Who would pay say $20-30 per month just to consult the database now and then? More to the point, who would want to contribute corrections and additions to their database information if the "client" pool is relatively small? By making them free sites, they have a larger audience (for advertising revenue), and a more attentive one that may want to contribute to corrections more frequently and more substantially. In any event a lot of this information is pretty much out there by consulting movie distributors sites like Excaliburfilms, JadedVideo, AdultDVDempire, etc, and movie reviewer sites like CAVR, etc, and a number of adult discussion forums.
I have clicked on your profile, that's why I was almost sure (of course you could have been reading here for years without telling us, but that seemed unlikely seeing your other posts) that you did not know all the intricate details about EGAFD and IAFD. So I was just trying to be helpful to a new member. Jacco
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Jacco, I have no issue with you, but ADT seems to be really flogging the issue. He really does not seem to care (so he says) about the differences between EGAFD and IAFD databases, but nonetheless did consult them with regards to MISTEX movie. Let it alone and let sleeping dogs lie. ADT got what he wanted and there is no point doing cartwheels explaining what is EGAFD, IAFD, EBI, etc.
What the hell is wrong with you?????Sheesh! Do you always want the last words?? Damn you're really getting on my nerves, now! I can't believe this guy: -Assuming stuff again and again and again and again. -Intepreting stuff in a manner that it is only helpful to his own nonsense arguments. -Calling me a dog. -Calling me a lier. MODERATOR PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD! Thxs! This guy is just an unbelievable piece of work! @Jacco, thxs for your help, I came here via google when looking for some background research on Esperanza Gomez/Josh Stone. This was in July '09, And this was also the first time I found out about the existence of this forum.
One of these dudes name from this scene is Moroccan Zenza Raggi
However, as you can see, the dvd cover says un film de John Leslie. 
She looks nice. I'm not so familiar with "Newer" porn stars (that is >2000). I'm still a rookie concerning their names 
