Can anyone recommend some DVD's that, for lack of a better word, are un-porn-like?
Let me explain what I am looking for: I'd like sex scenes that seem like shots of real people (amateur, but more so) having sex. In particular, I'd prefer it if they seem to be (or even are) a real couple with some sense of an emotional connection. I want them to be actually enjoying the sex, but I don't want a sense of the scene being directed. In fact, I might even prefer it if it were taken by a camera on a tripod--this would not make for the most interesting shots, true, but it might make for more intimate sex, since it means there was no one else in the room. However, that doesn't mean I really prefer lousy quality video. I'd prefer it if there was no sense of them playing to the camera--just a shot of people genuinely enjoying good, realistic sex, preferably with a genuine long-term partner.
Musts include natural breasts, and full body shots, with plenty of shots of the women's face. While I want to see attractive women, I'd prefer attractive in a "girl next door" sense. Close ups are not a huge problem, but are not at all necessary. I don't want it to look like it was shot to obstruct certain views, but beyond that, I don't really need a gynocological manual on the screen. I'm not looking for different settings or clothing--please, no scenes with women with make-up and high heel shoes in bed. I'd like to see women having genuine orgasms, but I definitely would prefer to avoid "cum shots" or anything else that shows up often in porn but not so often in the sex people have off camera. In summary, I'd like this to be hot sex of exactly the sort that I'd suppose the couple would be having if the camera wasn't there at all.
The most important thing that I am looking for, though, is people actually enjoying sex. I have previously sought out shots of women masturbating on the assumption, rightly or wrongly, that in those shots ,at least, they are genuinely likely to be enjoying what they are doing. In fact, recommendations for such masturbation videos would be appreciated as well. But even better would be couples genuinely being together--intimate sex, including kissing, talking, etc...
Can anyone make some recommendations along this line?
I guess you can see that nobody can think of anything that suits your requirements totally.
I can't recommend a whole dvd to you either, but I liked the second scene in Real Big Boobs 2 (which isn't about giant boobs, but features natural boobs.
What I liked about it was that the couple do appear to be a genuine couple (they are wearing white-gold bands), and he is really digging on her. He is way into her (some great enthusiastic talk on his part). They are both enjoying it, full body shots, no big gyno-thing, no high heels, but she doesn't appear to orgasm (a limitation of the fact that they are doing reverse cowgirl etc. for the cameras), and there is a cum shot, but well done. Overall, it's very sweet and sexy.
I am keeping the dvd just for this one scene. It's one of two scenes that I am sure to show when I have my friends over for a porn party. Hope it's a start for you.
Okay, I haven't seen this one, but the woman who has this website - read her review - really liked Amateur Angels 4. I am sure that it is still porn-like, but, hey, it's porn. According to her, the cute girls are all-natural, there are some-real-life couples, real heat, some real female orgasms, and a really good, enthusiatic bj in scene 5. No tellin' if there shoes are on, but I suspect there will be the usual porn positions.
It seems like this type of porn should exist, but I haven't viewed a single title that meets every one of these requirements:
• Genuineness/naturalness • Emotional connection/intimacy • Real pleasure • Real female orgasms • Unaugmented breasts • No makeup or heels • Wide, full body shots • No cumshots
The Amateur Angels series is produced by Fallen Angel, under the care of Luc Wylder and Alexandra Silk (a married couple). I haven't seen any of the Amateur Angels DVDs, but I have watched a few volumes of Fallen Angel's Sex Across America. They do an excellent job of emphasizing real life couples, pleasure for all performers, authentic orgasms for the actresses and a good mix of camera angles. The sex comes across as fun, spontaneous and wholesome. The title I'm reviewing right now (Eighth Stop: Seattle) includes spouses Jenny Lynn + Bud Nolan and Chennin Blanc + Cheyne Collins (I'm not sure if Jasmine Klein + Rick Masters are a couple, but they're also very convincing together). Cheyne climaxes inside Chennin's vagina at the end of their nicely romantic scene.
Sex Across America is a gonzo series, however, which means that Luc Wylder occasionally interacts with the performers. He's not obnoxious about it, but there's no illusion that the couples are truly alone. There's also some lesbian and group action in this series, as well as a few actresses with breast implants. All the actresses wear make-up (though it's not overdone) and often shoes (though not necessarily the stereotypical platforms and stilettos). External cumshots are far more common than the internal ones. If you want all internal cumshots, Fallen Angel puts out a series called Internal Affairs that might be worth looking into. I haven't watched any yet. I actually prefer external cumshots (in porn and frequently in real life, too—I'm a very visual person).
I would suggest some classics from the Golden Age of porn, but they generally have external cumshots, as well. NotSoMuch, you might take a look at my review of My Dad's Dirty Movies 1 & 2 and see if that sounds at all appealing. Good luck in your quest.
I thought I'd have a shot at trying to source something like this.
There's a film production company called Millers Work Inc. that provides tapes of "real" sex. However, it doesn't look like they offer DVDs, only VHS. (Blowfish recommends "Real Couples Volume 4".)
According to reviews at Good Vibrations an "authentic" (real orgasm) and natural movie is Dangerous Games - although I doubt that it is as "non produced" as you indicate you'd like.
Another possibility is a movie called Love Scenes For Loving Couples. This is, apparently, a compilation tape from regular adult movies, but has scenes geared towards tenderness and sex from emotional connection rather than mere physicality.
Along the lines of the above, but this time entire movies, are two titles, Sensual Escape and Revelations. Unfortunately, they, like the movies from Millers Work, are only availble on VHS.
(None of the above 3 have the "non produced tripod filming" you mention - they are all produced and have multiple scenes - but they do/should incorporate the "realness" factor you're after.)
That's all I can point to in specific terms, except to mention a few generalities:
1. You would be better off looking for women produced/directed movies.
2. It seems as if natural couple sex movies are in the minority. I came across far more "real" lesbian, gay, and bi movies than I did couples - which I did not bother mentioning.
3. Productions of "how to" sex education movies will probably offer "real" people having sex and legitimate orgasms. They will not be fictional, and may not offer the same escapist / immersive quality that you're looking for in a story based movie - but they will have many of the elements that you're after. However, you'd have to be careful in screening out the drier, "tab a into slob b" type ones. I know that there'd be a lot which would be absolutely not what you want - and I can't offer any more specific suggestions along this line. (Disappointingly, none of the ones I scanned jumped out at me.)
Looks like it is as I expected--there just isn't all that much out there that fits my interests. The suggestion that seem to come closest are those by Miller Works Inc and Homegrown Video ("these folks"), but, neither of them do DVD, and I'm not that interested in this that I'm going to buy VHS--who knows how long I'll even own a VCR?
I thought I'd give a little background as to where I came up with my list of requirements, to see if I can pull in any more recommendations. I actually have one video--well, quicktime file, actually--that meets my criteria, and it probably is the exception that proves the rule. I'm not sure where I downloaded it from, but I doubt this was ever commercially released. It looks like someone just took a home video and made a quicktime file out of it--I like to believe that both people involved were OK with it being posted, but regardless, I figure I don't know the people, so no harm done (by me). Anyway, it is a movie of two people having sex, filmed by what seems to be a video camera set up on shelf next to the bed--it is clear from the conversation that both people know that they are being filmed, but besides mentioning the camera once or twice, they seem to more or less ignore it. This makes for what many people may consider a lousy movie--they spend the first 1/4 of the film making out under the covers, more or less completely covered up. They move on through a bit more forplay on to having sex, but they don't go through a multitude of positions or anything. Rather, they seem to just enjoy having sex, regardless of how it looks or what you can see with the camera. That is, they don't seem to do much to make sure that more or less shows than happens to show, which means you see plenty, but at the same time not much--certainly with a camera set up like that, there are no close ups. Oh, I should also say it seems like a young couple--I would guess they are in college or just out of college--early 20s. They clearly love each other, and say so.
One of the most appealing things about the film is that while the are clearly just doing what they enjoy enthusiastically, they also have the enthusiasm and emotional connection that makes what in some ways might not be the best sex very enjoyable. The guy is clearly not the worlds greatest lover--I can see his girlfriend trying subtly to direct him when he goes awry. But she also isn't complaining; I kind of find the whole thing endearing. Unlike most porn sex, this sex gives off strong vibes of wholesomeness as well as being very hot sex.
So it is pretty obvious why finding more stuff like this is so difficult. The sorts of people who would have this sort of sex are the last people who would be likely film themselves having sex, and then sell the video, I suspect. I'm sure there are some examples of videos or DVD's like this out there, but I certainly don't know where to find it.
Before anyone asks, I can't send this to anyone--my internet connection is curently slow, and the file is huge.
Good catch! Strange that they're not listed as an actual studio...
I would have known that they produce DVDs if a) they'd had their own studio entry, and b) the Homegrown Web site was actually standards compliant and didn't generate anything other than a blank screen with Mozilla/Netscape.
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I don´t believe in the existence of "un-porn" porn. As long as people are earning money (or any other kind of compensantion) for fucking on camera, then it IS porn and it IS staged, no matter how amateurish or "spontaneous" it looks. If a guy yells "cut" and the actors grabs a paycheck with their hands still dripping of fresh cum, then it´s porn.
I know exactly what Not So Much wants to see, and I'm afraid Planet Sex is right. The only way to get this is to do your own, and your post reminded me of some tapes my (then) boyfriend and I made, for our eyes only. We would usually forget about the camcorder, this is what made it good. Although a lot of it's out of focus, and some of it we're not even in view, it was REAL sex. Whether or not it was GOOD sex is pretty subjective, but there's no denying the heat and chemistry. As you noted however, any couple who would think about selling their tape are probably not the kind you're really looking for.
This is what's missing from professional porn, and there's no way around that that I can see. Although I think there's things that they could do to make it SEEM more real, the insistance of always having to see the 'cumshot' ruins it, in my opinion. Even internals they ruin by having the chick fart it or dig it out. Yech!
Planet Sex and Dumblonde are both right, in a sense. I guess my ideal porn would be videos that couples made "for their eyes only" and subsequently decided to sell--or something that appeared to be that. But I don't believe that that would be impossible to achieve intentionally, especially if the "actors" were a real, loving couple. But if someone has tried to achieve that effect, I certainly don't know where to find it. And it may well be the case, as Dumblonde says, that the couples I really want to see are the ones who would never consider selling their tapes--those are the people who are likely to appear the least self-consious, and the most genuinely affectionate. I suspect that anyone who even imagined that other people might see their tapes would be more guarded on camera.
If it weren't for the fact that I haven't seen any "hey, that's what I want, too" posts, I'd say maybe we could get someone to take notice and produce something along those lines. It kind of surprises me, though--I had naively assumed that the same thing that turns me on would turn on other people. But apparently, there is a lot more demand for videos of women with fake boobs, tons of make-up, and high heels pretending to enjoy sex, while there is little demand for videos of real-looking people having real-looking sex.
Interestingly, the fake sex in the non-porn movie Y Tu Mamá También seemed a lot more real to me than the "real" sex in porn. I wonder why that is? Maybe the actors in the former film were actually very good actors? (They were.) Maybe the fact that they weren't actually having sex freed them to show more simulated emotion and enthusiasm? Maybe it was just very good direction?
Actually, a lot of people do want to see more realistic and erotic sex and less fakery. But we aren't a large enough or vocal enough segment of the porn-buying public. Most of us take one look, laugh our asses off, and decide that porn is not for us.
A friend of mine also recommended Y Tu Mama Tambien to me, when she heard I was looking at porn. Guess some of us will have to run out and rent it.
By the way, NotSoMuch, have you tried some of the old classics like Easy (which is fun) and 3am (which is a little darker)? They have a more realistic feel to them than the shaved-circus camera-mugging stuff they put out now - some of the old ones are very relaxed and playful, and the people are having more fun. ----------------------------------------------------------
While I definitely recommend Y Tu Mamá También, and while it definitely has hotter and more explicit sex scenes than most any Hollywood movie I've seen, don't expect anything resembling a porn film. This is a great, and very funny, coming of age story.
With regard to whether I've seen some of the old classics, not really. I fall into the category of having taken one (or two) looks at porn, laughing my ass off, and almost deciding that porn is not for me. This thread was my attempt to find out whether I am mistaken, and just haven't found the right stuff, but it seems that, for the most part, the avaliable porn is not for me--or at least there isn't enough of what I am looking for out there (and readily accessible) that I am willing to go looking for it with what is sure to be a significant expenditure of both my money and my time.
Notsomuch: you have been given some recommendations above. I myself really think Homegrown has what you're looking for. Click on the link in my last post to see a list of Homegrown DVD's.
NSM, I wonder if anyone else sees the irony of your opinion that the sex scenes in YTMT seemed more real than porn. I think that Hollywood movies, more often than not, obfuscate the realities of sex. A movie like YTMT is just as guilty of occluding the realities of sex as is a romance novel or a soap opera. I don't think that these softcore depictions of sex should be given more value as sexual fantasies merely because they are gentler. I believe that in our culture, generally, women are acculturated without porn and men with, and that leads to a knowledge gap of sorts. The physical, bright light reality on the mechanics of sex are more often shocking/repulsive to women simply because they haven't been exposed to depictions of it in the same amount that men have. Just as many women as men are *having* sex, but, alluding to an analogy I used in another post, it's like the difference between an IM basketball player who only thinks about the game when she plays Saturday mornings and another IM'er who watches professionals, collects the cards and buys the "Dunk Like Me" tapes, in addition to his Saturday morning games.
In my opinion, the endgame of porn's evolution will look like YTMT, but with real sex, not simulated. Because of the current cheapness of porn, I see it as *closer* to reality. Producers don't have the money to effectively blur the line between fantasy and reality like Spielberg does. Frankly, if there were a hidden camera on any of us during lovemaking, the recording would look more like the porn with which we're all familiar than it would a Hollywood movie. Because porn, in its essence, is recorded sex. Real nudity and real sex. Real tongue on real pussy. Just like the kind we've had with strangers from bars. Just like the kind we had with our husbands this morning. But our cultural tradition has so inextricably bound sex to shame that even we porn fans often maintain a cynical distance from it.
I think it's ironic that when women talk about porn, we always bring up these old canards of "emotional connection," "romance" and "intimacy" lacking in porn. But that makes me wonder: who is the *real* voyeur? The viewer who only needs a performer to bare his body, or the viewer who demands that the performer bare her soul?
We all must remember that anything we the audience ask to be done in our presence is a *performance*. Being a great performer, sexual or dramatic, is *not easy*. To find people who are great at both would be difficult indeed. To demand of a Daniel Day-Lewis all the dramatic magic he can create, then on top of that demand that he vaginally penetrate Kate Winslet in front of a crew of 100.... To demand that Kate Winslet accept the penis of a man she might hate when the camera's off, then feel *real* pleasure and "connect" with Daniel on an "intimate level".... You are asking that *actors* enter into *real relationships* for your viewing pleasure. And you would most certainly chide them if for even one moment they didn't meet with whatever your standard of sexual believability was.
But because the sex in YTMT was simulated and occluded, you've allowed yourself to not care about whether Luisa really came or not. I submit that because Hollywood movies allow us to channel sexual feelings without the reality of sexual functions, many of us feel freer to empathize and channel those feelings. I think this is because of a variety of issues including body shame and memories of abuse, among others.
The enemy of sexually powerful women is shame. The enemy of sexually powerful men is aggression.
Sorry, one last thing. There is A LOT OF PORN in existence. However, I keep reading statements like this:
"But apparently, there is a lot more demand for videos of women with fake boobs, tons of make-up, and high heels pretending to enjoy sex, while there is little demand for videos of real-looking people having real-looking sex."
I have watched an enormous amount of porn in my lifetime. The above characterization is just not true. Porn is so big that it cannot be pigeonholed like this. In fact, the above statement is *so* untrue that there are series dedicated to real boobs (big *and* small), series dedicated to women wearing the same amount of make-up as any normal woman on the street, series dedicated to bare feet and series dedicated to real female pleasure. And we've above discussed series dedicated to "real people".
I repeat: 10000 pornos a year are released. Hollywood releases between 4 and 5 hundred for U.S. theatrical and video distribution (including foreign). This means that you *cannot* watch 1 porn and conclude anything about what the industry has to offer for your personal sexual entertainment. It's funny: people don't turn away from Hollywood movies because of one that is silly or stupid.
The Homegrown videos appear to be the closest to what he is looking for, but the pictures on that website show that most of the people involved are camera-mugging wannabees.
The fact that 10,000 porn movies a year are produced makes finding one to suit NotSoMuch a task of finding a needle in a haystack.
If porn is just a realistic depiction of real sex, it shouldn't be too hard to find a movie that shows real, connected people enjoying realistic sex without a cumshot or other playing-to-the camera.
In fact, among the 50,000 or so offerings of the last 5 years, none of the porn connoisseurs on this website has bean able to name a single title fitting that description.
Go to http://www.abbywinters.com, if it's girl/girl you're looking for, with beautiful natural looking girls, making love and apparently having real orgasms. The "Girls on Film" DVD is the best lesbian video ever made IMHO! Also go to http://bubblegirls.com for the best in natural looking girls having absolutely real orgasms. You will have to convince yourself that these are the real deals, but you will not be disappointed!
"She squirts," and "Screaming Orgasms," while great for insertion action, do NOT have orgasms that I have ever been able to detect, and are not very realistic. If you compare any of the Four-Finger Club videos to any Abby Winters video, you will never be satisfied again by the phony "demonstration" sex in the Four Flusher Club, crap--pretty girls, yes, but pretty stupid action.
It really depends on what you mean by that. I could list off a ton of mainstream movies showing a "realistic depiction of real sex" without the slightest problem - it simply wouldn't be explicit.
Add "explicit" into the equation and it becomes extremely hard to name a production in which the mechanics of the production itself don't intrude on the "fly on the wall" naturalness that's being sought. It may not be so much that they aren't made - but that it's almost technically impossible FOR them to be made.
Which may still be all right with NSM, so long as they're aware of the camera in a non-intrusive fashion. Once the scene starts, they "forget" about the camera and just enjoy what they're doing. I would suspect that you can't really judge the content of those movies by the boxcovers or the photos advertising them. We can only really know what they're like if somebody's actually watched one and would like to comment...
Wannabee what? In porn? Well, yes. That's why they've sent in the tapes. I looked at their homepage again, and I see what you mean, but what exactly is wrong with looking into a camera? Isn't it more intimate for the viewer to acturally see the faces of the people involved? Your comment seemed kind of judgemental in that you, a porn fan, seem to be chiding these people for wanting to be in porn.
Also, doesn't it make sense for a webmaster to have human faces on his opening page rather than just bodies from a distance? I think you better judge Homegrown after you've seen a few of their releases. They've done over 600.
Wha..? Except me and Yogagrrl? In fact this topic has been discussed in ADT before.
There are lots of videos that meet those two particular criteria, lindi. There are lots of series dedicated to internal cumshots (if that's what you mean by "no cumshots"), some produced by companies dedicated to "amateurs" or "real couples".
But I would like to bring the whole "amateur"/"real couple" idea to another level: ...and so Saki won't scold me I'll start it under another topic.
Everyone has their own perception of "realistic". My platform is that porn sex *is* real sex. That's not cgi, and Bisexual Britni has the semen in her tummy to prove it. But sex looks different from inside it than outside it, so I understand people who say "porn doesn't look like the sex I have." But you must answer the question: what would a good sex session between *your lover and you* look like on tape to someone who doesn't know you?
I suggest taping it to find out then sending the mpegs to fridashionista@aol.com for judgement. =)
Finally, I have to shine this light on the whole idea that we wish porn showed more "closeness" and "intimacy": not everyone in the world has super, long-term relationships like lindi and Yogagrrl. Some of us are having real sex with people we know less than 2 pornstars would know each other. Pornstars at least have the advantage of knowing that their coworkers can get it up, last for more than 2 minutes of pumping, and will be required to lick pussy after the blowjob.
The enemy of sexually powerful women is shame. The enemy of sexually powerful men is aggression.
Mythsong wrote: "Add "explicit" into the equation and it becomes extremely hard to name a production in which the mechanics of the production itself don't intrude on the "fly on the wall" naturalness that's being sought. It may not be so much that they aren't made - but that it's almost technically impossible FOR them to be made."
Mythsong is right in that when a director is moving around you with a camera, even if you're totally into the sex and really enjoying it, performers involutarily look into the camera. It seems to me that it would be *less* natural to ignore someone swinging a camera at you. There are plenty of voyeur-style series like Evil's The Voyeur, OGV's Peeping Tom, etc. where directors intentionally pretend that they're not present.
Features can be the same way. Just today I watched Sunset Stripped from VCA and there was no camera-looking.
SueR, I wasn't chiding anybody. I was trying to answer the problem raised by NotSoMuch, who wanted to see something natural, undirected, and un-pornlike. NotSoMuch also asked for it to include emotional connection.
What is the actual title then, of the movie that you recommend to NotSoMuch, that fulfills the requirements of the original question? (Not a haystack of movies to wade through, just one single title). We might want to help NotSoMuch find it, instead of saying what we think NotSoMuch should want to see instead.
Ok, lindi, I've already listed the titles. Just because I gave him a lot doesn't mean I'm not helpful. It's not like he asked for something easy like "an anal DP of Aurora Snow" that I can point to with the help of the iafd. He asked for something more evanescent, whose finding will partly depend on his *opinion* of what's onscreen. Fact is, I've seen Homegrown scenes that meet his requirements, but to remember if it was number 322 or 546 or 299 would be impossible. Therefore I gave him a series that has the *objective* of meeting his kind of needs and that regularly reaches that goal.
FYI: The very best example of an amateur, "real" pornographic movie I found in my search was the bisexual "Slide Bi Me" (2nd last entry) by Good Vibrations (link to their Web site is here). I did NOT mention this because NSM was looking for couples movies, not bisexual/group movies. However, sexual orientation aside, for the purposes of discussing "natural, undirected, and un-pornlike" it sounds like it's the perfect movie.
Sue, with regard to the irony of my thinking the sex in YTMT was more realistic than porn sex, if you've seen it, you will realize that this is not typical Hollywood sex, nor, in fact, is it a Hollywood movie. And I stand by my assertion that the sex looks more real to me that the real sex in porn. With regard to the question of whether it is more voyueristic to demand emotional intimacy from the performances, I fully admit that what I am looking for is more voyeuristic. While I say that I want to see performers who have a real relationship, isn't an absolute real condition--it is just what I assume would have to be the case to get what I would want to see on camera.
Lindi explained my reaction to Homegrown videos better than I was able to. Initially, I thought that Homegrown would have exactly what I wanted. But I looked at the screenshots and reviews at an online DVD sales site, and the Homegrown DVDs looked a lot less appealing--as Lindi said, I got the impression that it would be people showing off for the camera. I also got the impression, justified or not, that the quality was uneven. Of course, since I've never seen one of these DVDs, that could be totally unjustified, but the box covers and screenshots (and reviews) haven't convinced me to spend my money to find out if they are giving the wrong impression about their product on the box. I sort of get the idea that, within certain boundaries, they'll publish anything someone sends them, making buying them a crapshoot. I'm sure that somewhere in those 600+ videos is exactly what i am looking for, but it isn't worth it to me to go look without a bit more direction. Nonetheless, if I do decide to invest the time and money to find what I am looking for, Homegrown may be one of the first places I look. The recommendation of Miller Works actually looked more promising to me than Homegrown (thanks, Mythsong), but once again, they are only on VHS.
Sue, with regard to the wannabee issue, I hope I have not come off as judgemental--I don't want to judge those people who are or want to be in porn. It is just that I want to see people having sex, as opposed to people trying to get into porn. Well, there is a distinction there for me, anyway. No judgement against those people having the sort of sex they think looks good in porn, but it simply isn't what I want to see. Essentially, I don't want to see porn performed by people who look like they want to be in porn. Of course, that doesn't mean I don't want to see porn by people who want to be in porn--that would be an impossible requirement--I just don't want them to look as if they think they're in a porn film.
Thank you, Basementchild-- your recommendation of the dvd from abbywinters.com looks like it comes the closest to matching the spirit of what I am looking for of all of the recommendations I've seen so far. Of course I haven't seen the dvd, so I can't say for sure, but maybe soon. And yes, I realize how many of my requirements this film seems to ignore, but it seems like it hits the most important ones. I'm more interested in DVDs with heterosexual couples than lesbian, but I say that mainly because I got the impression that lesbian sex in porn is, if anything, usually more fake looking than heterosexual sex. But well done lesbian porn would appeal to me as well. However, Mythsong, you are correct that even if Slide Bi Me is very well done, I am not looking for bisexual/group movies.
Incidentally, performers looking at the camera would not be a major problem for me--it is more the performance itself, the changes they make to accomodate the camera, that I dislike. And that is enough typing for one post. :)
Well, I think the real criticism isn't so much that this kind of porn doesn't exist. It's that it's just so *all over the place* that it's virtually impossible to track it down without sifting through enormous mountains of porn manually. Which is extremely time consuming (and can be expensive). And then there's the problem of false advertising. I've seen DVDs that claimed "All natural" on the cover and when I popped it in, the first thing I saw was a big ole set of fake titties. So that means you have to do your research even if there are titles that are supposedly dedicated to whatever you're looking for. And that takes time. And there's the possibility that even if you read reviews, the reviews will be inaccurate and you'll still end up buying "Natural boob" porn with fake titties. I share the OP's desire for un-porn like porn. Maybe not exactly the same criteria. It should still have fantasy elements. It should still have blowjobs and facials and anal sex and whatever else porn has. But a lot of mainstream porn has gotten to the point to where there's a heartbeat but there's just no life in it. The women seem so far removed from real women that they just seem like machines. Yes. They're doing what we all want them to do but with no feeling. No emotion whatsoever. Watching a porn flick, to me, has become something like staring into a void. There are people everywhere but there's nothing real going on. It all feels like what it is. Commercialized sex. And I don't think it's necessarily that the performers are bad actors. I've seen a few of them do some amazing things. I don't think the confines of the typical porn script give them much to work with. The guy has to convey that he's horny and the girl has to act as though every touch sends her over the edge. The attire isn't realistic. I don't see women dressed like that anywhere. I don't see women with obvious plastic surgery anywhere. I wonder if the people making the majority of today's porn ever leave porn valley? They should. They should go to the Midwest and see how women look, dress and behave here. Even when they get girls from other parts of the country, they take them to California and have them dress and act like all the other girls in porn. In short. It's just boring. You're right. There are brief flashes of brilliance but as I said, they're all over the place. If you rent or buy 50 DVDs, there might be one scene that really breaks the mold every 6 DVDs or so and everything else is typical porn valley fare. And yes. The industry as a whole is huge and there's probably stuff out there I've never seen and never will. And that's part of the problem too. It can be impossible to find what you want because often, you don't even know where to look. You can start with Google and you can sift through gazillions of tons of unrelated, irrelevant nonsense even if you typed in a very specific search term with very specific parameters. Edited by - randomprecision on 1/14/2008 11:44:55 PM
I feel a little odd responding to a 5 year old enquiry but I suppose this is a perennial question so I will mention a company I have mentioned before, the German-based Tino Media. All their girls are all natural, young, amateurs or only semi-pro, and the sex is convincingly intimate and "un-porn-like" (some of the pairings do seem to be real couples). I find Tino titles consistently enjoyable and a very refreshing alternative to standard porn. Here is what I wrote about Tino Media some while ago on another thread: The scenes are overwhelmingly 1-on-1 b/g scenes (although there is the very occasional g/g or group scene to be found).... They usually begin with a few shots of the couple engaged in some everyday activity (walking in the park is a favourite) before merging into the initiation of a sexual episode (the guy and girl tickling each other before almost accidentally falling into a clinch is a regular fallback choice). There is little dialogue and what there is is in German. Sometimes a music track will cover the sound of the scene but the majority of scenes just feature the natural sounds of the couple making love. There is always a lot of foreplay (a big plus as far as I'm concerned): kissing, touching, slow undressing, mutual masturbation. Inevitably there is oral, both her on him and him on her - if anything, cunnilingus predominates. The actual sex is very natural and loving, often playful, with no attempts at fancy positions or aggressive pounding. I've never seen an anal scene in a Tino production. Most scenes are condom-free. The cumshot usually involves the guy pulling out and cumming over his partner's belly or breasts or over his own belly: facials are rare but not unheard of, though sometimes a scene will simply stop with no cumshot of any sort. Occasionally a scene will include some afterplay as well (another plus in my book). Tino Media does have a website. It is neither extensive nor particularly informative but it does list all their titles with cover images. Tino titles do not seem to be widely distributed even in Europe. I buy my Tino dvds from simplyporn.com
It's like bumping into ghosts reading Sue R and the lovely Mike Lyons isn't it? Tony's films would be perfect for the criteria given. JT - Tino sounds interesting but everyone looks so very, very young - yes, I know that's my age showing.
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On their website it advises anyone who wants to apply to be a model that girls must be between 18 and 23 and guys 18-21. I suspect that focus on youth may be why the titles are not so widely distributed as some: retailers see the covers and get nervous. Yet surely two natural 19-year-olds having sex is actually a less disturbing concept than the usual gonzo combo of a dolled-up 18-year-old girl brusquely put through her paces by some 40+year-old viagra-chomper. I muchly like the rare air of innocence and sense of a shared exploration of sex that Tino titles tend to convey. Edited by - john thomas on 2/17/2008 6:59:03 AM
