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| frodo Member 18 Posts 12/05 |  Posted - Oct 26 2007 : 2:15PM"Seventeen is NO player in the CC puzzle. They have not and they never had real connections with CC." Caroline, Seventeen (the internet version) is owned by IMCO and they own and administer the Rodox.com site. They are a licensee with CC, which is why they were a party in the bilesasylum case in 1998, it's all on the first page. And they do administer the VEF. They are not connected historically, but since at least 1996 on the Internet.   [Link] |
| caroline-NL Member 543 Posts 3/07 | Posted - Oct 26 2007 : 3:22PM The next strange thing is, that all the CCC Animal Porn have a german Güfa Seal, a sort of GEMA for porn movies, but the distribution of animal porn in german sexshops was NEVER legal in Germany. I think the guy who can unscramble all this, should get the next Nobel-Prize. [Link] |
| The The Member 196 Posts 2/06 | Posted - Oct 26 2007 : 3:25PM 1. What are the studios requiring as far as identification? I've seen some BTS footage while girls are filling out their paperwork, and all they seem to have is a driver's license. It seems to me that if underage girls wanted to work in porn, all that would be needed is fake driver's license. 2. Do [any] studios require more forms of ID such as a valid passport and/or a birth certificate? If studios wanted to try and cut down on government inspections, wouldn't (and shouldn't) they go just a little further in ensuring the use of legal participants. [Link] |
| caroline-NL Member 543 Posts 3/07 | Posted - Oct 26 2007 : 3:39PM Because of the new ( US compliant ) laws we have, porn companys have to request an ID card / passport and take this on file. If there still is the slightest insecurity ( e.g. models from eastern europe, where it isnt so difficult to buy a fake id ), they check the birth certificate and even try to re-check this. But most EU countries now have the new computerized IDs, that are almost unforgeable. I dont know any case in Europe after 2002, that discovered a company, where a model worked with a fake ID. [Link] |
| sir wankalot Member UK 904 Posts 5/03 | Posted - Oct 26 2007 : 8:27PM Does this just apply to porn films in the U.S? What if you sold films to the U.S direct from Europe? You are breaking U.S laws but they can't prosecute you unless you are in the U.S? [Link] |
| caroline-NL Member 543 Posts 3/07 | Posted - Oct 27 2007 : 9:58AM "So, if you make a porn film with a girl and sell it...do you need to have her i.d on record by law?" Yes, almost all european countries have 2257 compliant or at least nearly identical laws. Suppliers/Distributors CAN ask where you have the id records. And federal authorities can too and do this. "Does this just apply to porn films in the U.S?" No. Not any longer. "What if you sold films to the U.S direct from Europe?" If you distribute movies in the US, these movies have to be "18age" compliant. FBI ( or others ) can demand a proof, that model "Lolita" was really 18 at the time of filmshooting, not 17 or even lower. "You are breaking U.S laws but they can't prosecute you unless you are in the U.S?" Now they can prosecute you, because the EU has adapted the US laws nearly 1:1. But even in the past this was possible, they could confiscate these movies, through the US Custom Dept. and the US Postal Service. They could freeze your accounts etc. Now they can prosecute you much more, because you arent breaking US laws, but european laws too. [Link] |
| Shagdog Member Houston 626 Posts 1/07 | Posted - Oct 27 2007 : 10:24AM http://www.avn.com/index.cfm?objectid=CDC9D60B-E4F8-4492-9F19F3E81600F680 Although the ruling applies only in the 6th Circuit (Kentucky, Michigan, Ohio and Tennessee) And this is far from over. But at lest Free Speech advocates are now fighting from a position that it is ruled unconstitutional. It can't be ignored now just because the supreme court doesn't want to deal with it. And maybe Europe will get tired of following right wingers from the US and go back to deciding things for themselves. Edited by - Shagdog on 10/27/2007 10:35:44 AM [Link] |
| frodo Member 18 Posts 12/05 | Posted - Oct 27 2007 : 11:25AM As Shagdog noted, the 6th Circuit recently struck down the existing 2257 regulations. The last time the DOJ was handed an adverse decision on 2257 litigation, they simply went to Congress and asked for new laws, which became part of the Adam Walsh Act. With a new AG in the big chair it may be different this time. [Link] |
| Shagdog Member Houston 626 Posts 1/07 | Posted - Oct 27 2007 : 11:36AM These laws are not meant fight child porn but to harass porn companies. But still the AG will be a republican and bring something before congress trying to embarrass democrats into passing their pandering law. [Link] |
| caroline-NL Member 543 Posts 3/07 | Posted - Oct 27 2007 : 12:45PM The main essence is, that the minimum age for porn is 18. And the producers have to keep records. And this will never be changed. Almost all european goverments now have a conservative attitude against pornography. Even if Larry Flint would be the next US president, the EU wouldnt liberalize the laws again. It took nearly 18 years ( just a coincidence ) to "harmonize" the porn laws in all european countries. And the Germans still havent "harmonized" it, but will so in January. [Link] |
| Shagdog Member Houston 626 Posts 1/07 | Posted - Oct 27 2007 : 7:07PM [Link] |
LCF  All-Star Member Non Prevalebunt! 10364 Posts 1/05 | Posted - Oct 28 2007 : 6:19AM [Link] |
| caroline-NL Member 543 Posts 3/07 | Posted - Oct 28 2007 : 10:24AM US", especially the Christian Right, but also the US justice dept. pumped tons of money into activists or so-called "anti-child porn projects". I am against child porn too, of course, but porn with 16 or 17 year old almost adults isnt "childporn", in my opinion, and too many of these projects started with an honest intention, to stop terrible child molestation, but turned into projects against normal adult porn in general. Like a trojan horse. I was working in such a project for 2 years, but quitted it, when the dutch ( to be more precise US ) laws changed and they raised the minimum age from 16 to 18. [Link] |
| sir wankalot Member UK 904 Posts 5/03 | Posted - Oct 28 2007 : 12:48PM Is this no longer the case? [Link] |
| Jacco All-Star Member "liable to deprave and corrupt" 2673 Posts 5/04 | Posted - Oct 28 2007 : 9:41PM Jacco [Link] |
| caroline-NL Member 543 Posts 3/07 | Posted - Oct 29 2007 : 11:01AM I mean "reformed". The EU is abolishing more and more rights, regarding the privacy of the individual and especially laws concerning sex/pornography. US authorities even want to know, what an airlane passenger is eating !!! ( Flying from outside into the United States of America ) If you arent eating pork, then you already have bad cards. I saw a docu about this in german TV, and it reminded me of the dark 50s..... [Link] |
| sir wankalot Member UK 904 Posts 5/03 | Posted - Oct 29 2007 : 11:40AM Is this something that Yourchoice has voluntarily done to protect itself, or is it something you were required to do by law? [Link] |
| Jacco All-Star Member "liable to deprave and corrupt" 2673 Posts 5/04 | Posted - Oct 29 2007 : 6:27PM And EU privacy laws are under attack, but not dead yet, especially compared to the US. Jacco [Link] |
| caroline-NL Member 543 Posts 3/07 | Posted - Nov 2 2007 : 3:03PM If you read TTs/CCCs wikipedia entry, you get a terrible headache. Its impossible to only sum this up, because there are dozens of different assertions. Most are wrong, some are speculations, some may be true. Are - at the moment - any sexshop dealers or customers arrested, because they sold/bought the early TT movies ? [Link] |
| frodo Member 18 Posts 12/05 | Posted - Nov 5 2007 : 5:50PM "Are - at the moment - any sexshop dealers or customers arrested, because they sold/bought the early TT movies ?" I haven't heard anything in that regard. That said, I never heard about past customers getting prosecuted for Tove material until recently. And I never heard of Kelly Hoose getting prosecuted for Alsscans images until recently, which is telling. Normally, when the government's position is that 8 eighth grade girls were sexually molested and images of that crime were availble on a commercial website that Hoose accessed, they hold a press conference. Normally, when the government's case turns out to be four years of conspired fraud, the mainstream media runs with it for weeks. But the Hoose case barely made a blip on any level, including the adult industry. This case was on par with the Duke lacrosse rape inquisition, which resulted in the prosecutor getting fired, losing his bar license and getting convicted (contempt of court I believe). The reality is that few in the media will question the government's conduct when it comes to child exploitation. Two that come to mind are Debbie Nathan and Susie Bright. So the fact that no one has heard anything with respect to Tove images currently being taken into court does not tell me much. [Link] |
| fyifoff New Member 1 Posts 11/07 | Posted - Nov 18 2007 : 12:54PM Here's what they said in my case: 1) girls that are clean shaved as "trying" to be or act youger/underage 2) wearing pig tails, pony tails or what the ADA called a cathoic school girl outfit, or a white button down shirt and a plaid skirt is "marketing" under age 3) typing lolita, or any other word like including , barely legal OR teen (not pre teen)is "like" typing pre-teen/underage. 4) since I had a folder called preteen with dressed females in it, to keep pictures I get from livejournal, (which has 16 to 19 year old girls, with work safe photos, or mostly work safe photos) > and in different sub folders... having this folder even though to picture was looked at, what just "as bad" as "having child porn" 5)all "girls/models" are children and underage 5) if you get the porn site to send the records to the court they're just covering their ass, and it doesn't mean a thing. 6) since the porn star had used a "fake" name or a stage name she is a liar 7) since porn starts 100,000's of dollars OF COURSE they would lie the picture and video they were of age to protect their line of work. 8) didn't matter if the site was 18+ law complint, they didn't need to prove or contact them The truth is I'm sure there is underage females out there doing things, (and as an artist I know you can go to book store like borders and buy photo books with underage naked children. cause it is not lewd, so it's not photographic.) But the thruth is, 13 year olds look like 21 year olds and even 25 year olds look like 12 year olds. No one can always tell, ...so you have to "play on the side of caution" But if you know the website can be trusted, and one girl looks young, you'll know she's of age, even if she isn't. Age and looks don't always go hand and hand. [Link] |
| caroline-NL Member 543 Posts 3/07 | Posted - Dec 2 2007 : 11:45AM http://trewthe.wordpress.com/2007/11/24/us-feds-accuse-second-color-climax-model-of-being-underage US Feds found a second "minor" model in danish Teen Porn. And to be honest, if they look at the other volumes, they will find much more girls between 15-17. Edited by - Caroline-NL on 12/2/2007 11:48:27 AM [Link] |
| sam46 Deactivated User 564 Posts 1/07 | Posted - Jan 26 2008 : 4:58PM [Link] |
| Greg2018 Member 80 Posts 5/18 | Posted - Jan 13 2024 : 2:16AM [Link] |
| Greg2018 Member 80 Posts 5/18 | Posted - Jan 13 2024 : 2:22AM Couldn't that be illegal for the company's because obviously they would of had to be in contact with the girl before she's 18 to arrange stuff and go through the scene which is grooming etc [Link] |
| Greg2018 Member 80 Posts 5/18 | Posted - Jan 13 2024 : 2:26AM [Link] |
| rearadmiral All-Star Member 6510 Posts 12/11 | Posted - Jan 13 2024 : 10:01AM Some of my details may be a bit off, but generally speaking, the defence worked. I recall that I saw this is a very good documentary on the topic. It's on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMD_TapiD0E [Link] |
| Green_Ghost Member 161 Posts 11/23 | Posted - Feb 24 2024 : 2:30PM 17 eeeeak a "child".....one second later 18 "adult"
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| pat362 Senior Member 10078 Posts 3/10 | Posted - Feb 24 2024 : 7:39PM That said I don't know that 18 is a good age for anyone to do porn and morale's aren't part of the equation. I just don't think most 18 years old have the mental capacity to truly understand the long term implication of doing something as life changing as porn but since 18 is what the Government deems the legal age for this particular type of work then that's what it is. It's pretty funny but not really that you can get naked, have sex with multiple people while being filmed and then that video is sold to the masses but you have to wait until your 21 to legally buy alcohol. [Link] |
| Green_Ghost Member 161 Posts 11/23 | Posted - Feb 24 2024 : 7:52PM *Some Countries used to allow 16 years old to do porn and now they don't.* you can thank the united states for that. i am just baffled by the fact that some people actually believe "18" has any more meaning than a completely arbitrary number. that said the age for ANYTHING involving females sexuality or even the hint of sexuality will continue to be raised and raised. why? [Link] |
| VancouverDave Member 17 Posts 5/21 | Posted - Feb 24 2024 : 9:15PM if a girl contacted them and said "I am turning 18 in 8 weeks can I come down to your studios on that day and shoot" they would be pretty scummy to reply to the email with anything other than " don't contact us until you turn 18". But hey, its porn. most certainly has happened that companies have negotiated with someone to show up on their 18th. I guess its possible a girl could email a producer the morning of her 18th, and the studio has a clear schedule and says come on down. And all the legal stuff is signed, etc you could technically film a scene the same day. But , that is a very unlikely turn of events. Edited by - VancouverDave on 2/24/2024 9:17:25 PM Edited by - VancouverDave on 2/24/2024 9:28:44 PM [Link] |
| Green_Ghost Member 161 Posts 11/23 | Posted - Feb 24 2024 : 9:59PM [Link] |
| lex von v Senior Member 2511 Posts 12/12 | Posted - Feb 25 2024 : 3:20PM That remind me, they should open more porn studios on the east coast, because of the timezone people get 18 a few hours before they do on the west coast.
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| Green_Ghost Member 161 Posts 11/23 | Posted - Feb 25 2024 : 3:37PM Japan's age of majority was 20 until very recently. They just lowered it to "agreed international consensus" AKA what ever social BS the US pushes on a sovereign nation. [Link] |
| shalalin Senior Member 1733 Posts 11/07 | Posted - Feb 25 2024 : 8:54PM (Please don't repeat your "infantry at 17" spiel for the third time in response, I think everybody has understood that you feel very, very strongly about this subject for some reason I don't care to guess.) [Link] |
| Green_Ghost Member 161 Posts 11/23 | Posted - Feb 25 2024 : 9:15PM Click to expand Click to expand well i will tell you; people do not think they react....in this case viscerally to a law that is mealy a status of agency"ok i wont mention the army.....ill just mention i was granted age of majority at 16.... Edited by - Green_Ghost on 2/25/2024 9:16:55 PM Edited by - Green_Ghost on 2/25/2024 9:21:33 PM [Link] |
| Green_Ghost Member 161 Posts 11/23 | Posted - Feb 25 2024 : 9:31PM You surely must be an American to actually believe that other countries have based their age of majority change decisions on whatever people in the United States might have been thinking. read the chicks first few posts [Link] |
| Lezzyist Deactivated User Make Porn Erotic Again 1736 Posts 9/19 | Posted - Feb 25 2024 : 11:49PM [Link] |
| Greg2018 Member 80 Posts 5/18 | Posted - Apr 1 2024 : 5:42AM They give kids guns at 16 but cant be trusted to have a drink till 21 18 might just be a number but its the law [Link] |
| Green_Ghost Member 161 Posts 11/23 | Posted - Jun 2 2024 : 5:31PM also "A speed limit is just a number" no it is not a LOT goes into choosing it: surface time, access density of human habitation around it schools businesses and what not and a cars ability to stop. beside nobody morally pearl clutches if you drive 87kph in a 80kph zone. [Link] |
| Green_Ghost Member 161 Posts 11/23 | Posted - Jun 2 2024 : 5:32PM [Link] |
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