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oldguy
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Posted - Jun 8 2009 : 11:46AM
I would like the general opinion of a web site called humiliation.com or humiliated.com (whichever it is) that is part of the pornpros.com network. In it the ladies are severely humiliated by the men and seem to love it. Do porn lovers like this kind of stuff? It seems to me the ladies are abused and not really pleasured, I prefer the latter. If the girls are not really getting off, I don't care for it, am I in the majority or minority on this one? In fact, I'd rather see the ladies humiliate the guys.
LubeNLuv
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Posted - Jun 8 2009 : 12:37PM
Well, humiliation.com is a site for femdom humiliation. Pornpro's had (I think) 2 BDSM-themed websites. Disgraced18.com and MilfHumilation.com. Of those two, I only spent a little time with Disgraced18.com since MILF's aren't my preference. Most of Disgraced18 took the form of a kink.com wannabe IMHO. Truss up the chick, use toys on her, fuck her, do a little slaphappy-esque routine, cum on her face. They had about 25 updates when I was last a member (not one now or I'd check). Decent flicks but a lot of dick per scene which isn't my preference either. I prefer the kink.com stuff as most of that is 1:1 and a bit more intense. This looked a bit more like a circus act.
I can't tell you whether or not the girls enjoyed it. I'm sure they enjoyed the paycheck or they wouldn't be there.
killbillvol69 All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Jun 8 2009 : 2:49PM
If you would prefer the ladies to humiliate the men, then you might like Men in Pain.
realtip
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Posted - Jun 9 2009 : 1:11AM
Calling Disgraced18 and MilfHumiliation BDSM is like calling Smirnoff Ice beer. I'm not saying that they have the knock the girls upside the head with a rock. But putting some pink-colored Scotch tape on a girl is not exactly what I would call hardcore BDSM. Even when they use ballgags, you can still hear the girl speak quite clearly. If anything, it's BDSM ultra-light.
oldguy
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Posted - Jun 9 2009 : 5:33PM
LubeNLuv pretty much described what I thought about when I first came upon www.humiliation.com - a circus act. I am one porn devotee that simply does not like that kind of thing, especially when my favorite lady is involved in it. Sure she undoubtedly earned a nice pay check but did she really get off? To me, that is the key in great porn. I've seen her have orgasms that were beautiful whether with guys or gals or doing herself, on this site I did not get that from her. She looked to be in pain rather than pleasure and I do not care to see her in such a state of pain.
I'd like some other input on this subject and what others like. I love to stroke to beautiful gals that are really having fun in their sex acts, it is just enjoyable to see that and wishing that the object of my jerking was truly enjoying herself to the maximum. By getting screwed or sucked on or her doing the screwing or sucking on cocks or pussies or breasts, whatever. To see someone giving pain to another to me is just not sexy.
Am I in the minority here or not? Members of both sexes, let me know please.
 
realtip
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Posted - Jun 9 2009 : 10:13PM
I don't think that's the key to great porn. The key to great porn is that I (i.e., the viewer) get off. If that doesn't happen, then it's not good porn, regardless of whether or not the performers enjoy themselves.
Edited by - realtip on 6/9/2009 10:13:41 PM
oldguy
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Posted - Jun 10 2009 : 8:41AM
Excellent point, realtip. Sure, great porn is about the viewer getting off, male or female. But I for one do not shoot my load unless I perceive that the performer(s) are truly enjoying themselves on screen be it real or fake. I would think that I am in the majority on this one. One more reason why I like to see the performers experiencing pleasure not pain.
RandomPrecision
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Posted - Jun 10 2009 : 9:45AM
That's why porn will likely never satisfy everyone. When it comes to porn customers, there's no such thing as "we". Everybody wants something a little different and nothing satisfies everyone. Maybe that's why they often don't try. I don't know.
oldguy
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Posted - Jun 17 2009 : 8:52AM
Perhaps I am old fashioned but I still maintain that if the performers are being truly pleasured it is hot to the max for the viewer. But if pain is being inflicted on them to me it is a turn off and thats what I get from those humiliation type scenes.
Sure our porn tastes differ but I wonder what percentage of us like pleasure over pain? I think most viewers (posters) prefer seeing their lust objects being pleasured. If the majority like the true pleasure stuff I think this is a great guide line for producers/directors.
killbillvol69 All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Jun 17 2009 : 11:04AM
^ What if, for the performer(s), pain is pleasure?
LubeNLuv
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Posted - Jun 17 2009 : 12:49PM
I think what KillBill just said is the heart of the matter. I know people who have asked me for advice on entry-level BDSM stuff that, once exposed to a scene, report that it made them nauseous. I know others who find BDSM "humorous." It is either your thing or it isn't. Humiliation falls into the same camp.
I personally find piss and scat play disgusting. I tend to believe squirting is nothing more than pissing. Therefore, the scenes involving squirting turns me off and makes me feel icky for watching it. But that's because that particular type of expression of sexuality doesn't synch with my sexual receivers. We are all wired differently.
Porn is a bit different in that a large percentage of what you are seeing has nothing to do with pleasure or pain. It is a PERFORMANCE. I think far too many porn viewers forget that they are watching fantasy played out on film. Performers may or may not get off at all sexually on the acts involved, but I like to think they are generally intelligent people who chose to sign up for the scene in question for the money. Yes, I am concerned about their safety/health but really from what I've read around here there is just as much inherent unsafe working conditions present in your average gonzo anal flick as there is a bondage scene.
So to presume that what you are watching is true pain or true humiliation or even true pleasure is really missing the point of porn. It's a business based on selling accurate portrayals of sexual fantasies. You may not get off on certain products in this business (pain performances, etc). If so, spend your money on other products/content you prefer. Clearly not every fetish appeals to every person or we'd all be sexually insane.
BigBobxxx
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Posted - Jun 17 2009 : 1:18PM
What if they're just "acting"?
killbillvol69 All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Jun 18 2009 : 6:46PM
^ What if, when they look like they're enjoying it, they're actually hating it; but when they look like they're not enjoying it, they're actually loving it?
oldguy
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Posted - Jun 18 2009 : 8:59PM
Perhaps I am in the minority but I cannot imagine enjoying pain whether it is in sexual acts or other avenues. Hell, I don't even like to be pricked by a pin but to be massaged even more than gently is pleasureful.
I wonder what the breakdown would be for devotees of this and other porn web sites. I get off watching others being pleasured on screen but not being submitted to pain, I think that is normal and healthy, perhaps I am wrong on this one, help me out here.
LubeNLuv
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Posted - Jun 19 2009 : 12:55AM
I think you are just subject to your personal biases. Which isn't wrong, this is how every human being is wired. You can't understand it because it you aren't wired to understand it.
Food for thought since you brought up the pleasure you get from a nice massage...
Did you know that physiologically, the sensation you get from being tickled is the same as pain? Pain is defined as the violation of physical integrity and comfort. Pain is essentially a sensory representation of a violation of the natural feeling of one's body. Tickling is the same thing but is wired into our overall sense of touch and being touched. Ever try to tickle yourself? You can't. Your brain won't allow you to fake yourself out, you know you are about to attempt to tickle yourself. This was recognized by many early scientists and they theorized that reaction to tickling must somehow be something more than just a physical response and connected somehow to the brain. Over time, however, scientists have found evidence that suggests that most people laugh and go into a state of euphoria when tickled heavily as it is our body's response to a perceived threat, not a response to something humorous. We know it's a fake attack but the fact that our bodies normal state is being involuntarily attacked provokes a fight-or-flight state, endorphins are produced in huge amounts and you laugh hysterically until the tickling (the threat) stops. If this is true, and I have seen the evidence to believe it is, then the body doesn't know the difference between pain and pleasure in many cases....the BRAIN knows it, but the body is responding in very similar neurological and physiological ways.
Now, in contrast, you can pinch yourself and cause yourself pain but your response to that pain can be very different than if someone else pinches you. Depending on how it is done, it can cause other physiological responses such as sexual arousal and gratification. Most BDSM play is often referred to as power exchange. Participants can take great sexual pleasure in the act of allowing another person to potentially harm them, to definitely cause them some pain, as they find the power in themselves to balance that fight-or-flight syndrome and let it express itself in sexual submission and release. Again....not everyone can do this or even see's this. But if it's your kink...you totally get it and crave it.
Don't live up to your handle....there's a lot more going on to the human body between the eyes and the genitals and it is not a straight and simple line for every person. If you skip all those nuances you could be missing out on some of the single best sexual experiences of your life just because it seems "wrong" to you. If your body responds to it in a healthy manner, I assure you...it's far from wrong.
One thing I will agree on, however, is that it is far different to experience this pleasure-from-pain concept than it is to just see it. There are very few porn scenes I've seen that I think properly exhibits the excitement and raw sexuality from BDSM. Most of them seem to focus on the bondage and discipline angles and spend little to no time on the psychological exchange of power between a Dom/Domme and a submissive. This is due, unfortunately, to the rather shallow nature of most porn productions on the market. It's just not an easy thing to show and for the few directors and performers who can show it, it's just too rare of a thing to catch on film. Kink.com comes closest I think and they have some really good scenes depicting some real heat. But overall, I will concur that porn and BDSM don't seem to get along that well....it's just too complex of a thing to express.

Edited by - LubenLuv on 6/19/2009 1:15:53 AM

 
RandomPrecision
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Posted - Jun 19 2009 : 5:29AM
You're probably in the majority but just because you can't imagine it doesn't mean it isn't possible. I can't imagine being turned on by fake boobs but many posts on this site prove it is possible and not all that uncommon.
Neither do I but I still qualify as a masochist in many ways.
I think you mean subjected to pain. Submitting is what the bottom does.
I think as long as the people involved don't feel like they were wronged and they enjoy it (or at least willingly tolerate it and have no real complaints) then it's normal and healthy for them. What you believe is normal and healthy is irrelevant. This is the definition of consensual (Or close enough for the purpose of this post). If they consent and don't have a problem with it, why should I?
Edited by - randomprecision on 6/19/2009 6:54:07 AM
oldguy
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Posted - Jun 19 2009 : 5:47PM
I wonder how consensual being subjected to pain really is for SOME porn stars. In fact, I have heard from one that said that some stars do it because they HAVE to for the money. That sure is stretching the term consensual, I'd say.



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