(Only just found out about this; they seem to have sneaked it in during the run up to Christmas!)
Hot on the heels of the UK & Scottish Government’s proposals to criminalise the possession of so-called ‘extreme porn’, the Scottish Parliament’s equal opportunities committee has accepted a petition from the pro-censorship, extremist (so-called) feminist pressure group ‘Scottish Women Against Pornography’ (S.W.A.P), which asserts that ALL adult porn should be considered incitement to hatred against women, and therefore outlawed.
I suggest that anyone who is unhappy about this potential further repression, contact the relevant authorities to complain/express your concerns, e.g.
Cathy Jamieson MSP (Justice minister) – She would be responsible for the implementation of any legislation.
Cathy.Jamieson.msp@scottish.parliament.uk
Nichol Stephen MSP (Deputy First Minister, & leader of the Scottish Liberal Democrats)
Nicol.Stephen.msp@scottish.parliament.uk
Patrick Harvie MSP (Scottish Green Party) – convenor of the cross-party working group on Human Rights.-
Patrick.Harvie.msp@scottish.parliament.uk
Brian Monteith MSP (Independent) – Has previously expressed opposition to the ‘extreme porn’ proposals, as he seemingly believes that adults should be free to view whatever (consensual adult) material they wish.
Brian.Monteith.msp@scottish.parliament.uk
The contact details for your own, or any other MSP, can be found at:
MSPs who are also Government ministers can also be contacted by emailing the following address and, presumably, putting it for the attention of the respective minister:
If you live in one of the other constituent countries of the UK, remember how repressive, illiberal & pro-censorship the incumbent Westminster Government has been (it is they who originated the ‘extreme porn’ proposals), and you can see that if anything were to happen in Scotland, how likely it would be for Westminster to try and extend it to the rest of the UK.
If you are lucky enough to live the in free world, please feel free to contact the Scottish authorities, perhaps to detail how adult entertainment is ‘regulated’ in your country etc.
If any pornstar ADT members feel the urge to convey their feelings toward, & experiences of, the industry, please feel free.
As usual, we are fighting an uphill struggle, but if we just sit back and do nothing, and S.W.A.P. get to impose their view on society at large, we could end up with the complete prohibition of ALL adult porn. As this petition first surfaced back in 2004, and was assumed to have ‘died a death’, but didn’t, as well as the biased comments from the committee’s convenor, this seems to be a potentially serious threat.
Remember also, this is an election year in Scotland, when politicians are at their most ‘receptive’ to the concerns of the electorate, whatever side of the argument they are on.
Thanks for the heads-up, Struan. I sure hope my so-called 'representatives' in the Welsh Assembly don't get any similar ideas. Knowing how illiberal and oppressive they and their Westminster counterparts can be, it's certainly possible.
Hell, and I thought all the religious nuts took a boat over to the new world and set up shop. We have the bastards on the run over here and hope the same for you guys. My ancestors came from Scotland. Wayne In Dallas
They're like roaches. You can never get rid of them for long. And everytime you start to relax, thinking they've gone, you walk into a room in the middle of the night, turn on a light and they scurry in all directions.
BTW, I agree entirely about how repressive & illiberal the UK has become, but it wasn’t exactly a liberal utopia under Thatcher’s regime (who is English, I hasten to add), now, was it?
Yes, the already healthy ‘black market’ will surely increase - R18 titles, as ‘classified’ by the BBFC, are still subject to considerable censorship, so some (many?) people try and source the uncensored originals, wherever they can.
As for downloading, I'm not sure – If the 'extreme porn' proposals go through, mere possession will make people liable to (upto) 3 years in prison, whereas existing censorship concerns distribution of material, so you can (currently) possess whatever (adult) material you wish. It’s one thing to risk the (relatively anonymous) purchase of ‘offending material’ in ‘hard copy’ form on the ‘black market’, but another thing entirely to download it, given the lack of privacy involved (monitoring & retention of surfing habits, emails etc.) – you may as well sign your own arrest warrant!
From the Scotsman article, it looks like they're going for the old line that Porn=Violence Against Women.
It's always hard to get a conclusive argument for or against this, but this research (link below), suggests that watching porno causes a decrease in the number of rapes.
Mod: smg4ever, it would be appreciated if you could please read the forum etiquette and try to abide by it when posting here.
Adult DVD Talk is an international community with readers across Europe as well as the USA, and the language you are using in your posts, specifically comments such as "influx of Eastern European scum", are extremely offensive to many readers, and significantly detract from Struan's worthy attempt to highlight the topic with which the thread is concerned.
Mod After some discussion with some forum members, and because the topic is a worthy one for discussion, I've decided to unlock this topic, with the caveat that people don't act immaturely and stay on the topic without insulting one another. You know, like the rest of the topics on this board.
With this in mind, I'm editing a number of posts to remove the offensive parts and argument, so that the topic may restart without new readers to it reacting to the closed issue of insults. There's already been someone warned, so I'm sure that person will respect the rules of this forum so that they may continue to be a happy member here.
Having said that though, I'll thank all members of ADT who particpate in this thread to stay on topic and avoid insulting one another or anyone else. It's a pretty important issue for a number of ADT's members, and ceratinly of interest to those outside of Scotland.
Derailment and insults will not be looked upon kindly. Thank you.
Hi struan, did you see Red Road? I heard it won 5 Scottish Baftas. I will probably catch this on DVD at some point but I just wanted to say how odd it is that the censorship issue has come around again, in the same year that Scotland has produced its most sexually explicit mainstream/crossover film to date.
I'm not too concerned yet - the petition dates from 2004. See the last update here. Anyhoo, I don't think the Executive would be too keen to push this forward. I'm Scottish and live in one of the more conservative areas of Scotland, and even here i don't think they would get much public support for this.
I hope you are correct, but, as I mentioned in my original post, I would argue that the fact that the petition should have ‘died a death’, but hasn’t, means that it is all the more worrying. In addition, the biased comments from the committee’s convenor do not give much hope for a fair hearing:-
“Elaine Smith, MSP for Coatbridge and Chryston, said: "We need to hear from academics who work in this field about whether they think pornography is harmful and how serious a problem it might be”.
"We don't expect any of them to say it is a good thing so the next question will be what we can do about it. There are those who say it should be banned completely."
I think it is better to potentially overreact now, by expressing opinions, submitting complaints, lobbying etc., before something happens; if any further momentum gets behind it, there could be no stopping it.
You know what I'd like to know ? How would the people who want a prohibition get their porn ? They would have to get it in an illegal way ! No one can tell me that none of them who are making the laws watch porn. Well, I thought Europe and the world are moving into the future. But it seems we're moving backwards !
I'm not sure how they would enforce it... But remember that Harriet Harman, who hopes to become deputy leader of the Labour Party after Blair buggers off, responded to the Ipswich murders by saying that all men who use prostitutes should be sent to prison. (A demand repeated in letters to newspapers by other interest groups.) A laughably ignorant view, if it weren't for the thought that she could actually have real influence in a few months time.
I wasn’t aware of this movie – thanks for the heads-up.
The problem is, the ever smaller ‘moral minority’ just get ever more vocal in their attempts to impose their views on the rest of society; unfortunately, politicians keep listening to them . This is why it is so important that as many people as possible, who hold opposing views, contact the relevant authorities to complain, expose the pro-censorship propaganda for the lies that they are, etc.