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| jibstar Deactivated User 132 Posts 9/02 |  Posted - Feb 21 2003 : 11:41AMWhich do u think is better? Personally I've notice that American girls are more drammtic and screen unnecessarily when it comes to penetration; to me that ruins porn. You don't seem to get it that with Euro girls, the seem more 'genuwine'. However US girls are more definitely the more attractive and when jules jordan directing you can't go wrong!! What do you people think...?? Edited by - jibstar on Feb 21 2003  [Link] |
| balabala Member 968 Posts 8/02 | Posted - Feb 21 2003 : 12:04PM Porn made by Euro companies are kind hard to find where I live. Execpt for some VMD, Colmax and Private stuff (If we can still consider them an euro porn company), there isnt much for me to look at and make comparison between US and Euro porn companies. I think Euro girls are better looking, but thats very subjective. [Link] |
| DenverDon Benevolent Firmly Embedded in Depravity 5914 Posts 7/02 | Posted - Feb 21 2003 : 12:05PM I think it depends on the director/studio. I'm pretty much a Eurobabe fan, but there are several series/studios on the American side that produce some damn hot stuff, in what you might call 'the Euro style'. With some of the euro stuff, it almost seems like there is a disconnect between what is going on in their pussy and ass and their reaction center. Anal penetration with absolutely no reaction whatsoever? I like a lot of the stuff from both sides of the pond. It's mainly just who produced/directed it, and which studio is backing it. My opinion and two cents anyway. DenverDon [Link] |
| Rumplestilt Skin Deactivated User 931 Posts 7/02 | Posted - Feb 21 2003 : 12:05PM I've long argued this point. The USA chicks are knockouts, beautiful girls that definitely do "it" for me! Like you say, they get more into the scenes, and you cannot beat the American lesbo stuff. I have never witnessed a convincing Euro lesbian movie yet. If someone can name one, I'd like to know of it. Euro birds are far to skinny for my liking and sometimes their faces would stop a clock. Not all, it has to be said. Sylvia Saint is nice. Euro chicks seem to specialise in anal and blowjobs. They're not all-rounders, like the American babes. [Link] |
| vanish_062 Member 146 Posts 1/03 | Posted - Feb 21 2003 : 12:53PM Edited by - vanish_062 on 2/21/2003 12:54:28 PM [Link] |
| Speelie Senior Member Fort Collins, CO 1191 Posts 5/01 | Posted - Feb 21 2003 : 1:49PM [Link] |
| Walter Burns Legendary Quoter IAFD, supporters of beastiality. Just say no. 7564 Posts 11/02 | Posted - Feb 21 2003 : 1:58PM I tend to like Euro Babes better because, on the whole, they are more natural in their appearance: lesser boobjobs, lesser tattoos, lesser piercings, ... in short, more variety and less of the generic porn star aesthetic. However, I must admit that the last couple of years, I have become more and more interested again in a lot of American babes. A lot of time, the trouble is that as soon as they get a little notoriety, they either disappear or go the "porn star" route. Dusty Rose's journey to Kody is a prime example. And could you believe that Trixie Kelly is asking advice from posters on RAME if she should have a nose job, boob job and liposuction? btw, Rump is right. A Euro babe who is into girls is very rare indeed. At the top of my head, I can only think of 1: Raphaela Anderson. If you are a fan of lesbian scenes, avoid European porn and stick to American porn. Edited by - Walter Burns on 2/21/2003 2:00:29 PM [Link] |
| DenverDon Benevolent Firmly Embedded in Depravity 5914 Posts 7/02 | Posted - Feb 21 2003 : 2:00PM It's one of the reasons I refer to the director/studio as the key. Europorn can be fantastic, or lame, and American porn shot with Eurobabes can also be fantastic, or lame. DenverDon [Link] |
| BIGmike B-I-G-m-i-k-e 2335 Posts 3/01 | Posted - Feb 21 2003 : 2:21PM I like US porn most. Euro porn is too common, you've got every studio, just about, filming in and throughout Europe. But the porn I like the best, is the porn I get off to, if it don't get me off, it don't matter if it's US or Euro, it ain't good. ---BIGmike's AEE Adventure (photos from) thread --- [Link] |
| Walter Burns Legendary Quoter IAFD, supporters of beastiality. Just say no. 7564 Posts 11/02 | Posted - Feb 21 2003 : 2:40PM btw, the Euro babes still like to change their names as much as their underwear. It is sad but true. (Hmmm... the changing of the name is sad, not the changing of the underwear.) Edited by - Walter Burns on 2/21/2003 2:44:54 PM [Link] |
| DenverDon Benevolent Firmly Embedded in Depravity 5914 Posts 7/02 | Posted - Feb 21 2003 : 2:41PM DenverDon [Link] |
| aybesea Senior Member Caroline Cage - Hungarian Hottie! 1485 Posts 5/02 | Posted - Feb 21 2003 : 2:48PM [Link] |
| DenverDon Benevolent Firmly Embedded in Depravity 5914 Posts 7/02 | Posted - Feb 21 2003 : 2:55PM DenverDon [Link] |
| BIGmike B-I-G-m-i-k-e 2335 Posts 3/01 | Posted - Feb 21 2003 : 3:18PM But all porn can fall, and does fall into that category. What I said earlier is valid now: the porn I like the best, is the porn I get off to, if it don't get me off, it don't matter if it's US or Euro, it ain't good. I don't care if it was made in Russia, Japan, Germany, Canada, Mexico, Spain, Czech Republic, Africa, Australia, Belgium, or US... the porn I like the best, is the porn I get off to. If it don't get me off, it don't matter where it's made, it ain't good. ---BIGmike's AEE Adventure (photos from) thread --- [Link] |
| aybesea Senior Member Caroline Cage - Hungarian Hottie! 1485 Posts 5/02 | Posted - Feb 21 2003 : 3:21PM [Link] |
| Walter Burns Legendary Quoter IAFD, supporters of beastiality. Just say no. 7564 Posts 11/02 | Posted - Feb 21 2003 : 3:25PM btw, I have seen 105 Belgian porn videos and I am not ashamed of maybe 5 of them. Edited by - Walter Burns on 2/21/2003 3:25:30 PM [Link] |
| Sir Noel Plum Senior Studmuffin 1001 Posts 2/03 | Posted - Feb 21 2003 : 5:25PM I am even more concerned that people seem to be regarding forays into eastern europe by anabolic or RLD as Euro-porn: it is not. If Man Utd and Arsenal played a football game in Brazil we would not say this is Brazilian football as we would be looking at two English sides playing an English game the English way; similarly send an American company over to Europe shooting for the American market usually with Amerian guys and often (not always) an American director and you can't really call that European porn. When most people I know think of euro porn they think of Magma, Maximum Perversum, Teeny Exzesse, Dino and DBM, beautifully decorated pseudo mansions full of oddly dressed people, Jean Pierre Armand, fisting, Dolly Busters' tits, Private, Alain Lyle, pissing on people without any apparent notice, hospital set-ups where you're lucky to come out without a rectum the size of Belgium (this is my Belgium fact!). Most of all Euro porn is about stylisation to the point where it becomes reassuring. Marc Dorcel, Seventeen, MMV, GGG etc etc; these are all euro porn, of course they are, but they are not the true image of proper pukka dink euro porn. Imagine JPA analing a middle aged, well turned out, lady on a beautifully upholstered settee. A younger woman inexplicably in a gimp outfit is fisting her pussy. The room features fine oak panelled walls and a french polished walnut table with a victorian oil lamp on top, not some el'cheapo warehouse set. You know you won't get to see the girls fist being inserted (or removed), you know you'll see JPA's gurning old face prior to his orgasm, you know that after someone will inexplicably and most suddenly piss on someone else. THIS is euro porn, not some euro-american foray into Budapest (though I'm all for these as well). I grew up on euro porn, from 14 till my mid twenties it's all I ever saw. I like US porn and I think the US market is much more prepared to respond and evolve. That said, there is a depth and a feeling to euro porn that US porn can never seem to capture; US porn never seem dirty and porny in the way euro porn does even when it is just as technically hard or harder (*excepting old 70's stuff). I reckon the thing I like most about US porn is its approachability and openness. Conversely, the thing about euro porn is the mystery and anonymity of it all. I've seen JP Armand more times than I've had hot dinners; Debora Coeur has her own label: I know precisely nothing about either of them, if they were US stars I'd know everything from their shoe size to what they like for breakfast. As the French would say 'vive la difference': for once the froggies are spot on. Sir Noel. [Link] |
| Speelie Senior Member Fort Collins, CO 1191 Posts 5/01 | Posted - Feb 21 2003 : 6:58PM I have two thoughts about the oft-mentioned issue of "a lack of emotion in Euro girls." One is to ask, what is emotion? Is it Chloe thrashing about, screaming that she is cumming? There's certainly less of that, the girls have less of a tendency to show fake emotion. I like this, because it helps me to believe that when they do show emotion, such as in the Nacho movies I am always going on about, that it is real. The second thought carries on from this, and is that, indeed, many European actresses don't display much emotion when they are in a situation which fails to inspire much. The trick, at least when it comes to making movies that are making me cum is to find these women in the right movies. I firmly believe that in most cases, you will get a superior performance when the Euro girls are paired with Nacho, Toni Ribas, Rocco, Steve Holmes and Manuel Ferrara, in particular, and/or in the movies they direct. But if they are paired with Jean Pierre Armand, for example, they are probably simply desperately hoping for the scene to over quickly, and so it is no wonder they aren't showing much emotion. It may require an acting job just to avoid expressing disgust. [Link] |
| Sir Noel Plum Senior Studmuffin 1001 Posts 2/03 | Posted - Feb 21 2003 : 7:24PM I have been in the fortunate position of often being able to watch porn at work (a fire station, or fire house as you fellas call them) and we always maintained that if you wanted to treat your missus JPA may be far down the list but if you had to go for a drink and a chat with a male porn star he'd probably be a really nice and down to earth fella. We always reckoned that at half ten every morning mid-fuck he says ' Nah Fuck it, tea break, we'll finish off in half hour'(although in German obviously). Where I agree with you totally and absolutely is in the emotion thing. I can't remember how many times I've seen an American porn chick and thought 'why don't you give it a fucking break you noisy cow' as they yell 'Oh Fuck Yeh' for the thousandth time. I like realism, if you're doing it for the money fair enough; I'd rather know a lesser truth than a greater pack of lies. The same goes for all the silly acting; I'd rather see genuine indifference or even discomfort than obvious mock (nee cod) enjoyment. These euro/US productions can be a bit unemotional (although as you state their are worthy examples of real genuine emotion) but the real german uber porn is even more extreme in this department and this is part of the fascinating stylisation I talk about. These porn stars ARE professionals and by god they act like it. It can sometimes be on a par with going to an airshow, all technical expertise that is impressive to the visitor but humdrum to the professional and they seem to let that show. Now, do I mind this? No, because it is a feature of the product - cold germanic professionalism: 'you fist my arsehole, it is no problem I am a trained expert at this' - this is the vibe this all gives off and in a way it is all very cool if a little dispassionate. [Link] |
| Walter Burns Legendary Quoter IAFD, supporters of beastiality. Just say no. 7564 Posts 11/02 | Posted - Feb 21 2003 : 7:46PM My point is this: why do you call the stylisation of 2 companies, Videorama and DBM, the "true image of proper pukka dink euro porn"? They are a significant yet also small part of the Europorn landscape at best. The strength of Europe is its variety, that is no different in porn. Why this reductive stance? I understand there is some nostalgia involved and that you really like them, but look around man, there is lots and lots more and some of it has even more "old world" stylisation than the Videorama and DBM movies. Ever heard of Mario Salieri, just to name 1 example? And yes, I left out Magma, because their style is very different than either Videorama or DBM, just as there are differences between the different Videorama lines and the different DBM lines. And, if you are familiar with DBM titles, you sure know 1 more Belgian fact: you must be familiar with Babette Blue, the "matron" of the Family Blue line. btw, how can you say that when Man U. plays Arsenal that you are seeing an English game? How many English players are actually on the pitch in that match-up? [Link] |
| French guy Member 335 Posts 9/01 | Posted - Feb 21 2003 : 9:08PM On the other hand, US pornstars beat European ones hands down regarding performances and on screen charisma except for a handful like Daniella Rush or Nacho's ex, Jazmine. So I guess I prefer US porn over Europorn. [Link] |
| Sir Noel Plum Senior Studmuffin 1001 Posts 2/03 | Posted - Feb 22 2003 : 5:07AM You are right about the Arsenal/ Man Utd squad but I said that they are English sides, which they are, playing an English game, which football is. I must admit I didn't realise that a lot of it was made in France although I was aware that many of the performers are not German (not many Jean Pierres in Germany I think). I was also not suggesting that other euro porn companies are not the real mccoy, just that they are not what most people (in my experience) immediately think of. I'm sure French guy here consumes far more sandwiches in a year than frogs legs or snails, but which of these articles is most usually associated with frenchman? My basic point was not really to push a certain perspective on euro porn but to point out that to pass judgement on euro porn on the basis of The Anabolic Assman or RLD XXX Road Trip is folly. Just to check out the JPA I've had a search and I find reference to one born on the 31 Jan 1773; I knew he was old but not THAT old. I still stand by what I said on this, I reckon I could find a hundred times more information on a Peter North, Tom Byron or Lexington Steel than on JPA. Maybe anonymity is the wrong word to use - perhaps it would be more accurate to say there is a cult of personality in US porn not so present in Europe: would you agree with that? take care, Edited by - Sir Noel Plum on 2/22/2003 5:08:18 AM [Link] |
| DenverDon Benevolent Firmly Embedded in Depravity 5914 Posts 7/02 | Posted - Feb 22 2003 : 8:56AM Just for the record, I have formed my perspective on European porn not from the American companies that have gone over and shot film, but from a fair number of films made in Europe by European dirctors using European performers. I have also traveled through Europe several times and have seen some of the harder porn there that is not available in the US. I do agree that there is a difference between them, and if you watched only RLD or ana/dia movies, the perspective would be skewed. DenverDon [Link] |
| Walter Burns Legendary Quoter IAFD, supporters of beastiality. Just say no. 7564 Posts 11/02 | Posted - Feb 22 2003 : 9:37AM I believe you make some very valid points in this post. There some nations who believe otherwise. Italy for one.I can't explain this either, but it seems to me that German companies like to work outside Germany. Moli, the director from Magma, for instance,was the first to shoot porn in Budapest.Only since last year has this situation somewhat changed. MMV has been shooting more German girls and have taken some under contract. Same thing with Magma. But still, when German companies shoot in Germany, it is very often for amateur lines.I guess your right, but I have 2 things to say to this: 1) This has not so much to do with French reality than with prejudice and caricature. IOW, not a good basis to judge "reality". 2) Frog legs or snails are only a very small part of all the things that can be considered typically French. In fact, when I think of France, I think of completely different things. I am not going to say what, because I might offend them.This is completely true, although what I have seen of the Assman series still strikes me as having more of a European flavor than the RLD fare or the World Sex Tour from Anabolic. These last 2 series say more about the phenomenom of the so called "Ugly American", than about European porn.Well, if you want to learn more about JPA, I can't imagine why though, it is good to know that the man has written an autobiography, which was published last year. But in essence, you are right. What you are saying is that there is hardly a star system in Europe as it is working full time in the USA. That is very true, but even then there are significant differences from country to country. For instance, as I have indicated above, in Germany more times than not the girls are not even identified. Or, when they are, most of them are not German, but French or Czech or Hungarian. In France on the other hand, a lot of pro-am companies are using mainly French girls and most of these girls really have "career goals": they want to get in the big league, in features produced by VMD, Blue One and Colmax. All these girls are trying to make a name for themselves and there are specialized magazines, such as "Hot Video", that cover the developments in the porn industry. A lot of times, it is exposure in these magazines which can make or break a girl's career, as was evidenced by the quick rise and fall of Jade, who was heavily pushed by "Hot Video". Let me illustrate this difference between French porn (using local girls who are striving for name recognition) and German porn (using either anonymous local German girls or foreign talent) with some figures from my database: I have seen 462 German films against 423 French films. Yet my database only lists 113 German actresses (a lot of them having seldom worked in Germany, such as Valeria, Angela Baron, Jenna Wells, Axinia, Cherelle, Dru Berrymoore, ...) against 349 French actresses. But on the whole, you are right. Euro porn is both much more matter of fact (we make porn, so what?) and made less a fuzz about (meaning, there is much less talk about it, including less publicity). There are no billboards of porn companies in Europe, unless you want to count some billboards in The Netherlands advertising phone sex. [Link] |
| Sir Noel Plum Senior Studmuffin 1001 Posts 2/03 | Posted - Feb 22 2003 : 10:28AM Some interesting statistics you quote regarding the actresses - it's nice to know it's not just the French and German leaders who sleep with each other but so many of their citizens as well :-) [Link] |
| Rumplestilt Skin Deactivated User 931 Posts 7/02 | Posted - Feb 22 2003 : 6:50PM [Link] |
| futureofporn Member 658 Posts 1/03 | Posted - Feb 22 2003 : 7:30PM [Link] |
| marduk Senior Member 1008 Posts 2/03 | Posted - Feb 23 2003 : 12:15PM I am french and I love french actresses : watch Clara Morgane , Tiffany Hopkins , Ally McTiana , and many more ... But I love american actresses too : Aurora Snow , Gauge , Jenna Haze , Taylor Rain , Lexi , .... and many more . In fact , I only like 100 % natural girls and what I don't like in american movies is that there are too many actresses with artificial tits , artificial lips ,... In european movies , there are "artificial" actresses too , but they are not as many as american actresses ! I think that people must distinguish the 100 % pro movies from the amateur or pro-am movies . And I think that the american am or pro-am movies from USA are approximately as good as the ones from Europe . After this , it's a question of girls .... some people prefer european girls , some others prefer american girls ! For me , I prefer 100 % natural young american girls like Aurora , Jenna Haze ,... and all others who turn in NOTORIOUS' "babysitter" serie , HUSTLER's "barely legal" serie , .... so I prefer american pro-am or am movies . But I watched too many european movies , I was crazy about hungarian girls ( I had an hungarian girlfriend ) , and now european movies bore me ! But people can notice that there are some differences between U.S. movies and european movies : they are differently directed , ..... Well , it's what I think ! Bye ! [Link] |
| Walter Burns Legendary Quoter IAFD, supporters of beastiality. Just say no. 7564 Posts 11/02 | Posted - Feb 23 2003 : 4:27PM
Now, JPA claims on the cover of his book that he has performed in 7000 films during his 33 years career and that he slept with 15000 women. Anybody care to figure out how many women he had to sleep with on a daily basis to come up with these figures? [Link] |
| Victor. Member London, UK. 38 Posts 12/02 | Posted - Feb 23 2003 : 4:54PM Hungarian Girls,... ... I bet the gorgeous Angelica Bella never bored you! Regards and best wishes from London. Re: Exploitation, - please see my posting elsewhere on East European Girls. [Link] |
Bill  All-Star Member 5334 Posts 6/00 | Posted - Feb 23 2003 : 5:10PM Starting a book by lying on the cover is not a good way to sell that book. [Link] |
| Walter Burns Legendary Quoter IAFD, supporters of beastiality. Just say no. 7564 Posts 11/02 | Posted - Feb 23 2003 : 5:28PM [Link] |
| Sir Noel Plum Senior Studmuffin 1001 Posts 2/03 | Posted - Feb 23 2003 : 5:56PM I've saved your little piccy so I can periodically research for a possible translation every now and then. Thanks again, [Link] |
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