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David-J
Member


155 Posts
8/02
Posted - May 25 2003 : 6:25AM
I noticed Aybesea's scathing review of 'Up Your Ass #20" (only 2 stars) and thought I would offer a quick alternative opinion.

No doubt this vid isn't for everyone. If you don't like interracial sex, girls with tattoos, or small tits, then you won't like this one. Also, like most Anabolic movies, the sets, 'costumes' and camerawork are rudimentary.

However, if you like previous volumes in this series, you should like this one. Maybe it isn't quite up to the standard of #18 and #19, but it isn't far off. The girls, with the exception of Aimee Tylor and Sandra, may not be raving beauties, but they all give good enthusiastic performances. (Aybesea describes Karianna (credited as Kirianna)'s performance as 'lackluster' - compared to what????)

Maybe Aybesea just doesn't like interracial scenes. I notice he gives only 2 stars for 'male looks'. Since the guys in the vid are Lexington Steele, Franco Roccaforte and Mr Marcus, this might seem an eccentic judgement.

DenverDon
Benevolent

Firmly Embedded in Depravity
5914 Posts
7/02
Posted - May 25 2003 : 7:22AM
Aybesea calls them as he sees them, and tries to back it up in the explanation. Did it turn his crank, obviously not much.

Could you expand your 'eccentic (sic) judgement' and post it as a review?

DenverDon

Hardz
Member

Hell on Earth
877 Posts
6/01
Posted - May 25 2003 : 8:22AM
I loved Sandra's scene in this movie.

The dvd as a whole was pretty good too.

Edited by - Hardz on 5/25/2003 5:07:12 PM

Blackshade
Member

66 Posts
8/02
Posted - May 25 2003 : 3:04PM
Hardz I agree with both of your statements, different strokes for different folks
Asmodeus
Lord of Lust

az-mo-day-us
6338 Posts
10/01
Posted - May 25 2003 : 5:25PM
I also thought UYA 20 was pretty good and I've always highly admired Mike John's work behind the lens but my very favorite of that series is still UYA 18 - which features Monica Sweetheart in one of the hottest interracial DP scenes ever filmed.

"Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law" - Aleister Crowley 1875-1947

 
Bill All-Star Supporter
All-Star Member

5334 Posts
6/00
Posted - May 25 2003 : 7:31PM
I agree. Rather than reviewing a review, how about writing a review of the DVD?
aybesea
Senior Member

Caroline Cage - Hungarian Hottie!
1485 Posts
5/02
Posted - May 25 2003 : 11:17PM
Sorry, my review of UYA 20 had nothing to do with whether I like interracial (see my review of Balls Deep 5 before you come to a premature diagnosis). It has everything to do with the fact that the girls are not very hot, the movie is inadequately lit, the video is blurry, the mastering leaves a lot to be desired, and the sex is boring. There, I think I condensed it down (for those who prefer the Cliff's Notes).

Next time, before you start to read between the lines and decide what it was that motivated a particular reviewer, you might just want to read their reviews!

David-J
Member

155 Posts
8/02
Posted - May 26 2003 : 5:58AM
Well, you're entitled to your opinion, and I'm entitled to mine.

I'm still puzzled about your judgement of 'male looks'. I checked out your review of Balls Deep 5, which gives 4 stars to 'male looks'. The male performers in that movie are Lex Steele, Sean Michaels, and Erik Everhard. The male performers in UYA 20 are Lex Steele, Mr Marcus, and Franco Roccaforte, and you gave them only 2 stars for 'male looks'. Since Lex is in both movies, you must think that Marcus and/or Franco (Teo) are very ugly indeed. Does anyone else agree with you?

DenverDon
Benevolent

Firmly Embedded in Depravity
5914 Posts
7/02
Posted - May 26 2003 : 6:45AM
MOD NOTE:

David-J, you most certainly are entitled to your opinion.

I strongly suggest that if you want to continue the discussion of male performers in this title, you take it to email. Trolling or flaming is not allowed, and you are walking on the edge.

Bill also made a suggestiion, rather than reviewing a review, how about writing a review of the DVD.

Like everyone else, I have my favorite performers (male and female). However, that does not mean that just because they are in a movie, that the movie will be great. It depends upon the presentation (makeup, clothes), camera work, editing skills, lighting, etc. A favorite (hot) performer can still be presented or done poorly in a movie. Sad, and I may have purchased the movie based on the performer, and then been disappointed. I would give it lower marks because of the presentatioin.

Edited by - DenverDon on 5/26/2003 6:45:11 AM

Cyberchicken
Member

900 Posts
4/02
Posted - May 26 2003 : 11:55AM
David-J
Member

155 Posts
8/02
Posted - May 27 2003 : 5:24AM
I should have said, in my last post, that I am happy to accept that Aybesea has no problem with interracial scenes. As he points out, his review of Balls Deep 5 is very positive, and that movie is mostly interracial.

I just thought his review of UYA 20 was eccentric [sic!], even allowing for differences in taste. Leaving aside the question of male performers, his assessment of the female talent was also very severe, with an overall mark of 1 1/2 stars out of 5 for 'female looks'. The girls in the vid were Aleksandra, Aimee Tyler, Karianna, Sandra, Angel Long, and Melanie Jagger. With the arguable exception of Karianna (whom I personally find quite attractive, in a freaky kind of way), I don't think any of these girls would normally get less than 3 out of 5.

But let's agree to disagree.

cal444
Independent Editor CalCutterPost.com

927 Posts
10/01
Posted - May 27 2003 : 10:46PM
Aybesea
Everyone is entilted to thier opinion but what kind of UYA chip
did you have on your shoulder when you reviewed this
piece. You slammed even the technical aspects, which I know
stack up against anyone in the industry. A review is one thing misleading people is another. You went far into the misleading
on this one and I'm calling you on it . I'd like to see some other reviews on this video because frankly I think your review
was totally offf the mark, enough so I'm bringing it up here, now.


Cal444
Somewhere thinking what a tough audience

BIGmike
B-I-G-m-i-k-e

2335 Posts
3/01
Posted - May 27 2003 : 11:00PM
Aybesea calls them as he sees them, and tries to back it up in the explanation. Did it turn his crank, obviously not much.

That he does, there have been some statements that he made, that I felt like venting in anger, the way he comes out bluntly and says something sucks, but hey opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one...

I can counter his negative review with a positive revew, if I don't agree with his. Just as he can counter my negative review with a positive review if he doesn't agree with mine. And the same goes for ya'll out there.

None of the reviewers, that I know of, get paid, or compensated in any way, on ADT, and many of the DVDs reviewed by reviewers are bought with hard earned money, and getting a subpar disc, that you had to pay $20 or more for just plain sucks.

Speelie
Senior Member

Fort Collins, CO
1191 Posts
5/01
Posted - May 28 2003 : 2:04AM
I've told people this privately, so let me repeat it publicly : I am happy to discuss my reviews and compare opinions with people publicly on the forum here.

I guess I am rather alone in that regard, but no one should hesitate to tell me what an idiot I am for feeling a certain away. It will then be my pleasure to counter your argument, and show you the error of your ways

Seriously, it is something I enjoy, even if it really bothers other reviewers to be publicly questioned. But I get so little comment on my reviews that I'll take any I can get!

cal444
Independent Editor CalCutterPost.com

927 Posts
10/01
Posted - May 28 2003 : 2:11AM
The point is we don't produce sub par product on any
level. As Cyberchicken so eloquently stated,"it's worth
it just for the first scene". I generally don't
come back on reviews or reviewers but as far as I'm
concerned this review was a one sided negative slam.
Totally uncalled for.


Cal444
Somewhere

 
Hardz
Member

Hell on Earth
877 Posts
6/01
Posted - May 28 2003 : 7:50AM
Yo Cal, I've missed you dude.

It would a good idea for someone who liked this dvd to write a review and just because there isn't one doesn't mean there aren't people out there who think it's great.

You know I often get on your case about the technical aspects of some of your past releases' but this was, IMO a very good dvd.

The scene with Sandra is fan-fuck'in-tastic.

The only real problem I have with this release and a number of Assman and Debauchery titles is the poor lighting.

Buy a brighter bulb for fuck sake!

aybesea
Senior Member

Caroline Cage - Hungarian Hottie!
1485 Posts
5/02
Posted - May 28 2003 : 2:16PM
Hey Cal, sorry it took a couple of days to respond to this but I've been up to my neck in some nasty personal problems.

Anyway, you ask what kind of chip I had on my shoulder when reviewing this. The answer is that I had absolutely NO chip at all. I picked this up to review because I truly thought I'd like it! That is the fact.

However, I was really displeased with what I saw. I'm not getting personal here, so I don't want you to either. I'm gonna try to be objective about this.

1) The video was blurry. Not clear. Not sharp. Not vibrant. Blurry. That is a technical problem.

2) The scenes are poorly lit. There are lots of shadows. This makes it difficult to see detail. This is a technical problem.

3) The audio is okay, but (because it is gonzo), it is not spectacular. I didn't slam it, but I'm not gonna go wild over it either.

These were my prime technical complaints. Now for the other problems:

4) The girls (and you can read the review to see that I like Melanie a lot) were not dressed or made up to look very good. This, for me, is a BIG issue.

5) One of the girls was dog ugly. Sorry, but it's the truth.

6) There is absolutely no tease in this flic, and I like tease. Subjective? Yep!

7) I felt like both the girls and the guys were just going through the motions. No sparks flying anywhere. For me, this is an issue.

Now, when I add up these issues, it makes for a bad grade. This is my honest opinion. I wasn't paid to do this review. I wasn't cajoled into slamming it. I have had some e-mail conversations with Mike Johns discussing my points. He isn't flipping out on me. I've loved some of his other stuff, but this one just didn't cut the mustard (IMHO).

Now, I don't think this can be construed as having a chip on my shoulder, but if that's the way you want to take it, I can't stop you. I can only tell you that it's not the fact.

I'm not sure why it is that everyone is freaking out about this review. Haven't any of you ever watched something and thought it sucked? Did everyone else you know have to have the same opinion? If you don't agree with me, go ahead and review it yourselves! It's no skin off my teeth.

Simple bottom line, I didn't like this DVD and I don't think it's worth buying. Period.

cobalt60
Knuckle Dragger

2046 Posts
2/03
Posted - May 28 2003 : 2:36PM
aybesea -- It's my hope that no amount of cajoling, ranting, calling you out, etc. will in any way, shape or form dissuade you from 'calling it like you see it' in the future!

Point is: the reviews here are a service by consumers for consumers, not a mouthpiece for the studios.

Thank you for being such a prolific and seemingly honest reviewer. It's mostly YOUR reviews and a couple of others that brought me here in the first place (via RAME). Keep it up, in a manner of speaking!

Cyberchicken
Member

900 Posts
4/02
Posted - May 28 2003 : 2:40PM
I will agree with you, that there is a sharp drop off after the first scene, but certainly you can't feel this way about the 3 way with Sandra?

CC

cal444
Independent Editor CalCutterPost.com

927 Posts
10/01
Posted - May 28 2003 : 2:49PM
You've got me curious enough to go back and give it a
look.


Cal444
Somewhere

aybesea
Senior Member

Caroline Cage - Hungarian Hottie!
1485 Posts
5/02
Posted - May 28 2003 : 3:26PM
c60, thanks for that! You can bet that nothing and nobody will ever keep me from 'calling it like I see it'... that's just part of who I am. The day I don't feel at liberty to do that is the day I will know I have written my last review.

I really appreciate the kind words... aybesea

Wally
Senior Member

1821 Posts
8/01
Posted - May 28 2003 : 3:40PM
I think there is a saying that goes like this:..Becareful of what you wish, you might get it
Wally
Senior Member

1821 Posts
8/01
Posted - May 28 2003 : 3:57PM
Hey ABC keep doing what you doing, if the video sucks, say it. ..for me the worst kind of reviewer is the one that is always worrying about the feelings of the people that made the video or trying to be nice by always finding a way to recomend the movie even thou he didn't like it that much ..They look more like salesmen that a real pornfan.
T Mac
Member

166 Posts
1/03
Posted - May 28 2003 : 4:13PM
So when are we going to get David-J's review of the movie
cal444
Independent Editor CalCutterPost.com

927 Posts
10/01
Posted - May 28 2003 : 4:15PM
I'm the last one to ask anyone to pull any punches.
I respect and expect any and all reviewers to be candid
and call them as they see them. I just don't remember UYA 20 being sub par in any respect. As I said before I'm
going to give the DVD a once over after work to see
if there was any problem with transfers or authoring.


Cal444
Somewhere

 
Wally
Senior Member

1821 Posts
8/01
Posted - May 28 2003 : 4:30PM
Cal, I don't think you should worry about abc's review. Remember there are guys that as long as there are naked chicks in the video, for them the video is the "greatest shit ever" ..sooner or later one of them will write a review of UYA 20.
cal444
Independent Editor CalCutterPost.com

927 Posts
10/01
Posted - May 28 2003 : 5:49PM
It's my job to make sure that all the tech aspects of
our videos and DVDs are up to snuff. When I read
a review that says fuzzy picture poor lighting ect.
it becomes an albatross to me and I have locate the source
of the problem. My recall of editing the piece was
a standard Mike John effort, putting the video well
above the average FBI to FBI fill. As I said, after work today I'm going to go over it with a fine toothed comb.
I'll either owe ABC a vote of gratitude or a review of his
review. ABC has usually been on the money in his opinion
and this one just threw me off balance.


Cal444
Somewhere

cal444
Independent Editor CalCutterPost.com

927 Posts
10/01
Posted - May 28 2003 : 7:33PM
Very little consistency to this studio as of late

Funny, it's been the same usual suspects making video.

The girls are not hot

You're standards are pretty high if this crew didn't
float your boat.

Sets were sparse

Duh, you havn't seen enough Mike movies to grab on to the whole anti glamour thing?

The technicals suck

No your monitor, speakers and DVD player suck. I just
went over the entire flixxx and found not one flaw.
Not in lighting, camera, sound or xxxtras as far as the
picture being fuzzy I'd suggest a new perscription on
your glasses. It pisses me off your review made
me take two hours to second guess myself when I knew
it was fine. I'll stand on my assessment UYA 20 kicks ass!


Cal444
Somewhere not laying down for this kind of thing


Wally
Senior Member

1821 Posts
8/01
Posted - May 28 2003 : 11:01PM
hey Cal for what is worth, I just saw the DVD of Initiations #10. ..The scene with Cherie is great, the camera work is excelent if we talk about how the dp was captured. ..If I would make a review I would give this dvd 4 1/2 stars just based on the Cherie scene. ..I can't give it 5 'cos I have to mantain my credibility
cal444
Independent Editor CalCutterPost.com

927 Posts
10/01
Posted - May 29 2003 : 1:22AM
Thanx Wally, I'm going to say my last thing on the Uya 20
review. The only thing lackluster about that DVD was
how weak that review was. Didn't even mention the xxxtra scenes, music on off option or anything else. ABC you gave
us better DVD extra credits when there weren't any. Go
figure.


Cal444
Somewhere still pissed

Ramsey
Senior Member

Trina Michaels fan
10332 Posts
10/02
Posted - May 29 2003 : 8:06AM
I haven't seen this movie because I don't like Mr.Marcus but Angel Long and Melanie Jagger are very hot so not all girls are not hot in this movie.



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