I agree... I don't like the use of condoms either. It ruins the fantasy. But, I understand why they use them. If I was a porn stud, I'd use one... maybe two or three.
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| weshuang New Member 5 Posts 7/00 |  Posted - Jul 21 2000 : 3:17PMI'm new to adult DVDs, but I get the sense from this forum that the highest production qualities are VCA and Private. However, from reading reviews, it seems like VCA uses condoms in all its DVDs? This, unfortunately, is a turn-off for me. Is this the case with other studios as well? Another question, taking into consideration hard-core action as well as production values, whose DVDs would you recommend? [Link] |
| Oneloa Member 848 Posts 2/00 |  Posted - Jul 21 2000 : 3:47PMI agree... I don't like the use of condoms either. It ruins the fantasy. But, I understand why they use them. If I was a porn stud, I'd use one... maybe two or three. [Link] |
| mikerena Member Anaheim, CA USA 49 Posts 7/00 |  Posted - Jul 21 2000 : 4:07PM[Link] |
| mikerena Member Anaheim, CA USA 49 Posts 7/00 | Posted - Jul 21 2000 : 4:10PM [Link] |
| Janitor Retired Porno movies, sexy videos, xxx. Adult DVD Talk at your service. 6409 Posts 11/99 | Posted - Jul 21 2000 : 5:13PM while vca does use condoms for the new movies, there aren't any in the classics. for most studios the actors/actresses make the decision. in many movies some scenes will have condoms while others won't. [This message has been edited by StephDunn (edited July 21, 2000).] [Link] |
| Darkmage Member State of Denial 328 Posts 11/99 | Posted - Jul 21 2000 : 11:12PM I for one would rather have the actors be safe. It's our entertainment, but it is their health. ------------------ "There's a sucker born every minute, but swallowers are hard to find." ------------------ Who is [ invalid url ] | The [url=464724]Darkmage Special</A [Link] |
| mikerena Member Anaheim, CA USA 49 Posts 7/00 |  Posted - Jul 21 2000 : 11:35PM[Link] |
| mikerena Member Anaheim, CA USA 49 Posts 7/00 | Posted - Jul 21 2000 : 11:37PM [Link] |
| weshuang New Member 5 Posts 7/00 | Posted - Jul 22 2000 : 3:17PM [Link] |
| Janitor Retired Porno movies, sexy videos, xxx. Adult DVD Talk at your service. 6409 Posts 11/99 | Posted - Jul 22 2000 : 5:04PM We have reviews of some of them. I loved DMJ 2, but I haven't seen most on the list. [Link] |
| Darkmage Member State of Denial 328 Posts 11/99 | Posted - Jul 22 2000 : 10:07PM ------------------ "There's a sucker born every minute, but swallowers are hard to find." ------------------ Who is [ invalid url ] | The [url=464724]Darkmage Special</A [Link] |
| Pennoyer V. Neff Member 6 Posts 7/00 | Posted - Jul 24 2000 : 12:37PM [Link] |
| rutigar Member 95 Posts 7/00 | Posted - Jul 24 2000 : 12:59PM [Link] |
| torris Senior Member Deep within Mila's anus 1827 Posts 1/00 | Posted - Aug 3 2000 : 9:23PM ======= He never used to. It was only through my "gentle" persuasion that he saw the light :-) [Link] |
| Drew Black broken crankshaft 8009 Posts 9/99 | Posted - Aug 3 2000 : 9:42PM [Link] |
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| JKRULL Jill Kelly Productions beverly hills California 99 Posts 7/00 | Posted - Aug 4 2000 : 7:33AM Check out Stunning Curves or Gene Ross (there are actually real news bites there sometimes)Porn News sites. And yes it is hotter without the condom, that is why the director makes them disappear like that. Condoms are another hurdle that now allow's the adult industry to be accepted by the general population, not to mention saving lives. [Link] |
| MikeD Member 13 Posts 8/00 | Posted - Aug 4 2000 : 4:41PM [url=47490]http://www.asiacarrera.com/bulletin.html</A [Link] |
| ADN Adult DVD Now Customer Service San Diego, CA USA 24 Posts 6/00 |  Posted - Aug 4 2000 : 5:36PMhmmm... I guess I was expecting a slightly different statement from Asia. Not the big fan of Condoms personally or on Film, but in the interest of possibly saving a life or 2, I am all for 'em. [Link] |
| JKRULL Jill Kelly Productions beverly hills California 99 Posts 7/00 | Posted - Aug 4 2000 : 6:14PM Not to mention save a life or two of her co-stars. Hey, nobody I know in the business "prefers" condoms, but they use them and most promote the idea, at least in public. Good for the industry as a whole. Oh well- she is still amazing on screen, Condoms or not! Gotta love her. [Link] |
| torris Senior Member Deep within Mila's anus 1827 Posts 1/00 | Posted - Aug 4 2000 : 7:14PM Sad to read Asia's comments on condoms. As an industry star, I would have hoped she would realize what the "safe-Sex" concept does for bringing in the bigger money and main stream acceptance. Not to mention save a life or two of her co-stars. ====== Isn't that her point? Safe sex isn't safe sex if it involves cum shots on the face and unprotected oral. I admire her honesty in regard that condom only for vag/anal is only half way [Link] |
| JKRULL Jill Kelly Productions beverly hills California 99 Posts 7/00 | Posted - Aug 4 2000 : 9:18PM If your saying that it is as likely to get AIDS from a cumshot or oral sex as it is from ANAL & VAGINAL penetration, maybe you should contact Sharon Mitchells site and get some facts. Are there some health risks? Of course. There is a reason why prostitutes don't kiss their customers as well. It is not to protect them from AIDS, it's those other pesky bugs, the one that can be cured, in most cases. However my point is- the Adult Industry has an example to set, the fact that all the talent is tested on a regular basis does not change that fact. The talent is getting younger everyday, we are attracting a much younger audience (all over the world)and there are tests being faked. (see news yesterday) I appreciate Asia's honesty,she has alway's spoken her mind, and is a very smart lady. I just can't agree with her, maybe it is because I am looking at a much bigger picture. Our XXX movies are being broadcast all over the world, via Satellite and Internet streaming. As are VCA'S ,Vivid,Sin City and Cal Vista (Metro) I remember learning about sex and experimenting from what I saw in porno's. No one knew shit about "safe Sex". We thought it meant not getting caught by your parents. Pretty stupid. We just did what we saw on the screen and let booze and hormones take over. What is so different today? The drugs are stronger, the movies are more explicit and penicilin don't cure AIDS. You die. Simple fact. I would hate for my son or daughter to be watching Adult movies in a few years, where condoms were not used. Then go out and try to get laid in some club or bar. If you know someone who has died or currently has AIDS it is a horrifying thought. Big thumbs up to VCA for making their decision so public. I will get off my soap box, passionate topic. To many friends with AIDS died over the last 10 years. Get some better lube. [Link] |
| tricia_devereaux Evil Angel DVD Patience is a virtue, but who wants to be virtuous? 4283 Posts 4/00 | Posted - Aug 4 2000 : 10:37PM I never really liked condoms very much either. Look where that got me? (See my transcript if you don't know who I am. -- can someone post the link for me, thanks  )I have a sensitivity/allergy to latex, so when I did work with people who preferred condoms, I used a TON of lube. Now, there's condoms like Avanti that I have no problems with and actually like A LOT. Anyway, I agree with Jkrull, regardless of my story. A lot of people explore sex by watching porn. Do you think anal would be so popular if it wasn't in almost every video made in the past few years? Maybe; probably not. If porn movies can figure out how to make condoms seem more erotic, maybe it can reach out to a few people watching the videos. That's a good thing, in my book. Almost every guy I meet who doesn't know who I am would probably fuck me without protection in a second. I'm too sweet to be a concern, they think. Wrong. The same could go for anyone. Wicked Pictures uses a brand of condoms called Crown 2000. Not very noticable, and from what I hear, as comfortable as a condom can get... (?) On the other hand, though, I agree with Asia's statement that if she doesn't WANT to wear a condom, I guess she shouldn't HAVE to. But bravo to the studios who have lost some sales, but stick to their principles. Yes, a cumshot is not ideal, but much better than non-protected everything. At Evil Angel, we shoot a lot of non-condom scenes, but we NEVER tell an actress that she can't work for us if she requests a condom. Take it from me, if I knew then what I do now... [Link] |
| JKRULL Jill Kelly Productions beverly hills California 99 Posts 7/00 |  Posted - Aug 5 2000 : 7:00AMAlthough personal experience, helped formulate such a strong opinion. OUT [Link] |
| torris Senior Member Deep within Mila's anus 1827 Posts 1/00 | Posted - Aug 5 2000 : 10:38AM Torris- If your saying that it is as likely to get AIDS from a cumshot or oral sex as it is from ANAL & VAGINAL penetration, maybe you should contact Sharon Mitchells site and get some facts. ========= Say Torris: Now hold on a minute, I didn't say anything about AIDS transmission. You could just as easily get VD from sucking an infected penis. I was pointing out Asia's comments on the hypocrisy of the industry who demand safe sex for vag/anal but don't see the need for safe sex with oral and facial cumshots. The vaginal/anal condom "requirement" is political expedience. She's pointing out this fallacy And Sharon Mitchell? How many people were infected by Marc Wallice on her watch? If safe sex were so important to the industry they wouldn't entrust it in the hands of a rank amateur from within porn's inner sanctum. that's how Wallice got a free pass on his faked tests. It should be from a health care provider with no financial/personal stake to the industry to ensure that cronyism like Marc "Dick of Death" Wallice can never slip one past ever again. ============ I appreciate Asia's honesty,she has alway's spoken her mind, and is a very smart lady. I just can't agree with her, maybe it is because I am looking at a much bigger picture. ========= Torris: Sure. The financial bottom line. Nothing wrong with admitting that ======= I would hate for my son or daughter to be watching Adult movies in a few years, where condoms were not used. Then go out and try to get laid in some club or bar. ======== Torris: If your child has to get his/her sex education from watching porn, then that would be a sad commentary on you as a parent. If porn was where the masses got their sex education form, then how come they're not piping XXX into high schools? It's ludicrous to think that the role porn serves is "educational". Don't insult our intelligence [Link] |
| JKRULL Jill Kelly Productions beverly hills California 99 Posts 7/00 |  Posted - Aug 5 2000 : 7:44PMIt is obvious that you are one completly clueless individual, and probably don't have kids. Or did you really listen to everything your parents said? I guess not, or you would not be on a porn site, now would you? Saying that it is a sad commentary on me as a parent, jeez- you don't know the first thing about me or being a parent. It was an example of what goes on in the "REAL" world, where kids do what they want, as they get into their teen years. You remember, drinking, drugs, hormones- the hell with what my parents said, or were you in Sunday School, being a good little virgin? I like a good argument as well as the next guy but I prefer an informed person to argue with. your complete lack of facts is no excuse for your stupidity- least you can do is know to when to do some homework BEFORE getting personal and posting utter nonsense. I guess people like The Candida Royalle, Nina Hartley, Phil Harvey, The Alexander Institute, The Sinclair Institute, the 50 Colleges that buy my product for Research on Sex Eduacation,the dozens of Sex Therapists that buy our products and of course Johnson & Johnson- who we and others support with a variety of product for their continuing sex education research. You are truly uninformed. XXX in public schools?, guess what? in many districts a toned version IS being used. You don't need genital close-ups to learn to use condom's. Your comments on Sharon Mitchell validates the need for condoms even more,(if she is as incompetant as you say she is), And what did you think this was all about- herpes, VD- VCA changes their entire way of doing business for herpes, yeah right. Clueless. It would seem that insulting your intellignece would be impossible, you would have to show some first. Porn is not educational? Check out the facts. [Link] |
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| Darkmage Member State of Denial 328 Posts 11/99 |  Posted - Aug 5 2000 : 8:09PMTo provide a partial answer Torris' question: Tricia was one of the unlucky ones that encountered Marc Wallice at the wrong time. I'm sure you can fill in the blanks. Or, you can read the chat transcript. I recommend you do both. I am also going to agree with JKRULL here. I remember learning about the birds and the bees before 2nd grade from my parents. My parents were (and still are) great at bringing up children. No guilt, no shame, just honest answers to questions. But I remember the very first time I had sex, wondering if I was supposed to pull out and shoot in the girl's face. Was she expecting this? Is this standard procedure? All the porn I'd seen had them doing this. There are some things you do not learn in sex ed, be it in school or from your parents. You do not learn foreplay in sex ed. You do not learn that yes, you can actually flip her over and do it doggy style. You don't learn that fingers in fun places can produce interesting reactions. There is a lot of stuff that just isn't covered in any sex ed curriculum that I know of. Home or at school, this is not what I consider typically part of the class. Porn, however unfortunate it may be, does educate. Maybe unwittingly, or even unwillingly, but it serves as an example to our youth. Why not make it a good example? ------------------ "There's a sucker born every minute, but swallowers are hard to find." ------------------ Who is [ invalid url ] | The [url=464724]Darkmage Special</A [Link] |
| JKRULL Jill Kelly Productions beverly hills California 99 Posts 7/00 | Posted - Aug 5 2000 : 10:44PM Although I beleive "Stupid is forever" I felt compelled to educate TORRIS. You never know..... What is really going on in schools [url=467202]www.avert.org/sexedu.htm</A The truth about oral sex and AIDS [url=467203]www.tht.org.uk/pubs/oralsex.htm</A Example of A PHD using porn for education [url=467204]www.u4ea4u.conn/ssb.html</A or just go to any search engine, I tried AOL and got 4131 hits for Sex Education and found 100's more like the above. Torris- do some reading and try to learn something, you might be amazed what that might do for you. OUT [Link] |
| JKRULL Jill Kelly Productions beverly hills California 99 Posts 7/00 | Posted - Aug 5 2000 : 10:48PM [url=467201]www.u4ea4u.com/ssb/html</A [Link] |
| torris Senior Member Deep within Mila's anus 1827 Posts 1/00 | Posted - Aug 8 2000 : 1:48PM TORRIS- It is obvious that you are one completly clueless individual, and probably don't have kids. Or did you really listen to everything your parents said? I guess not, or you would not be on a porn site, now would you? Torris: I see when someone dares to comment on the typical porn flack's response in this issue, the pitiful ad hominem attacks come out. More industry contempt for the consumer, I'm sure your bosses at Adam and Eve didn't hire you with that sort of "promotion" in mind did they? Most people who rent porn aren't doing so for the sex education factor at all, but to be entertained. I don't give a shit how many websites you quote. Believe me, I'm not clueless. Neither am I gullible When I had sex ed in school, I can guarantee you that ass to mouth wasn't one of the chapters. And the fact that Marc Wallice, as a long standing "veteran" of the business could get by with his faked tests, that is an indictment on the incestuous nature of the porn business and I do hold Mitchell partially responsible for all the women that Wallice effected. You're not gonna last long in this business if your skin is this thin pal. But that's all right, I never buy any of that vanilla, neutered Adam and Eve stuff anyway, so your comments don't necessitate the need to boycott your company's product. Torris [Link] |
| JKRULL Jill Kelly Productions beverly hills California 99 Posts 7/00 |  Posted - Aug 9 2000 : 7:39PMI enjoyed your reply,(needed a good laugh!) once again with the Marc Wallace comments you also backed my position on condoms. Can't you see that? Emotional responses usually lead to the truth. Thank you for posting a validation of my opinion. It was very much appreciated! I was so concerned that you might disagree. I was losing sleep. As far as our "watered down" product goes, pick up a catalog, we carry just about every production company available. You also have not seen some of our more hardcore productions. (Cummin in Your Face, Ultimate Erotic Fantasy, Banned In Canada, to name a few) But, you must be right, gee what was I thinking? You know everything. Thats why everyone agreed with you on this topic. Thanks again for the validation! Have a nice day. OUT [Link] |
| JKRULL Jill Kelly Productions beverly hills California 99 Posts 7/00 |  Posted - Aug 9 2000 : 8:03PMWell "pal" I believe in the use of condoms, and will be passionate about it. Your responses are consistent, if nothing else, attack and insult. No facts, no real opinions. Just insults, at me, my company, our loyal customers, Sharon Mitchell, anything to deflect someone from seeing the truth of your poor position. So "pal" try to respond with something other then anger Visit [url=467200]www.angermgmt.com</A That's right "Pal" another website, check it out! Thanks again for your validation of my opinion. You did mean to do that? I mean if Marc Wallace was wearing a condom, you wouldn't be mad at Sharon Mitchell would you? What's behind the anger? Condom Phobia? Why such an emotional response? Take good care! See you in the funny papers, you should have your own strip. My sides hurt from laughing so much! OUT JK [Link] |
| torris Senior Member Deep within Mila's anus 1827 Posts 1/00 | Posted - Aug 10 2000 : 9:54AM Torris- Your telling me I have thin skin? I won't last? Once again- you don't know the first thing about me, where I have been or what I have done. All you have left on the topic is Sticks and stones. ===== Yawn. As the Jamaicans say, "empty barrel makes the most noise". And the only time I'd ever use an Adumb and Eve DVD would be if I was having a party and ran out of coasters. [Link] |
| JKRULL Jill Kelly Productions beverly hills California 99 Posts 7/00 | Posted - Aug 10 2000 : 7:17PM Quote all you want- insult all you need to, if it makes you feel better. Kinda cute how defensive you get- what was your point on the topic again? Oh yeah, Marc Wallace should have been required to wear a condom. The deep insightful wisdom of Torris- through the smoke and mirrors, personal and corporate insults, quoting our dear neighbors the Jamaicans (bloodclot to you) What have you said that backs your position? Nothing, nada, zip, zero. You of course continue to back mine, you just don't see it. Take you head out of Mila'a Ass and understand the topic- CONDOMS By the way, you do realize of course, we did carry some of Mila's work- but your drink was probably on that page. Once again-uninformed. as alway's, the pleasure was all mine. JK [Link] |
| Darkmage Member State of Denial 328 Posts 11/99 | Posted - Aug 11 2000 : 5:35AM If you please, I would prefer to get back to the subject at hand, rather than this bickering back and forth. If you wish to continue, I ask on behalf of the senior members of ADT that you take this "discussion" to e-mail. If you have something new to say, say it. Otherwise, please remove your little squabble from this message board. I like the community at ADT specifically because we rarely have two or more people throwing mud back and forth like this. AFAIK, we pride ourselves on a friendly environment where the shy, the curious, and the embarassed can come to ask questions without being told that they are either 1) clueless, or 2) are going to hell for their sins. So, I ask you as a long-standing member of this friendly corner of the WWW to take this conversation between you two to e-mail. If you like, you can report back at the end with anything new or interesting. Thank you. ------------------ [Link] |
| JKRULL Jill Kelly Productions beverly hills California 99 Posts 7/00 | Posted - Aug 11 2000 : 5:42AM JK [Link] |
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