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sdc
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4/03
Posted - Mar 1 2006 : 5:27AM
Is there anything other than the year of production separating a vignette movie from a loop-carrier? Obviously there are stylistic differences - with the movies of Andrew Blake et al. being much more polished than the loop-carriers of old - but, aside from that, they appear to be one and the same.
juha
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2752 Posts
3/05
Posted - Mar 2 2006 : 6:31AM
Loops were shot on 8mm.
That's a big difference.
Lazerus
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187 Posts
9/03
Posted - Mar 2 2006 : 8:32AM
To my knowledge, sdc, the two terms are interchangeable, although in the early days of features there were films which were literally "loop-carriers," meaning somebody just got a few one-reel loops together, got someone to host the connecting segments, and turned that into a full length feature. In these cases, the loops weren't even made with that feature in mind, they were just culled from older footage. One famous example is Fulfillment . Teenage Fantasies looks like another, except they hired Rene Bond to perform oral linking the loops together. More elaborate later examples include Little French Maid and Stormy .

I suppose we could therefore call any film with separate, unconnected segments which are actually shot at one time with a particular feature in mind a vignette film (but I'm making up this classification system on the spot here, so don't take it as gospel). Actually, as much as 60-70 percent of all classic adult features fall into this category, if you think about it. The set-ups might by more elaborate, and even have a thread of a narrative (as in something like Take Off , for example, or any of the Blake films I have seen), but the premise is the same. Some people would argue that this is the best type of adult feature, because of the flexiblity it allows for presenting a range of different sex scenes with different erotic situations.

sdc
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236 Posts
4/03
Posted - Mar 3 2006 : 6:09AM
Thanks, Lazerus. I've always tended to use the term 'loop-carrier' to refer to golden(ish) age movies and 'vignette' to refer to post-Blake; it just occurred to me that this is an odd way of distinguishing movies that appear to be fundamentally the same. As you say, there are examples of movies composed primarily of pre-existing loops - and this is presumably where the term came from - but the general usage is broader than that; to refer to feature-length productions which rely on a premise or theme - rather than a recognisable narrative - to link a series of sex scenes.

I think it does make sense to suggest that films conceived as a whole – rather than constructed around previously shot, disparate, footage - are best referred to as vignette. Of course, the evidence at hand – the finished films – won’t always be conclusive; for example, Maraschino Cherry would still be considered a loop-carrier but, at a guess, something like DeRenzy’s Let’s Get It On wouldn’t.




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