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- Pornmaster Mike, if you see my love Nautica and her friend Ms. Taliana send them my way! There's also room for Charmane... oh, Teagan theres a spot on my face you can sit on!
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Edited by - julesjordanvideo on 4/24/2004 3:21:39 PM

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I only buy porn that I really want, mostly based on the performers and directors, I don't buy stuff that is iffy to me or for an act or something in the film. This said, I'll be damned if I'm going to pass up a DVD that has my favorite talent in it, in the right kind of genre, and directed by a known person I like, just because it has a little transparent logo on it.

If your a TV watcher, any of you will have no doubt noticed the ever growing size of the network logos on screen corners on many a station. Cable especially, now I pay a goodly sum for my satalite TV, but again I'm not going to boycott TV because of it. What is pissing me off though is how if you subscribe to any of the major movie channel networks, HBO, Cinemax...., they persistantly break in with a 20% screen covering to get you to sign up if your not a subscriber, or worse yet some are having these little animations fly all over the screen every so many minutes as to draw extra attention to themselves.

I guess what I am saying, is be glad that all that is there is a tiny limitedly visable logo on a very small number of discs. It could be a lot worse. I guess I just find it a little ridiculous to posh a title no matter how excellent it may be, just because of a nearly invisible thing.

Good luck with your case Jules.

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Basic stations may be basic, but thier still pay channels, unless your stealing cable or have some kind of deal, thier not free network broadcasts. I know what your saying, but they still have to be paid for and put up with.

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Edited by - Bill on 4/24/2004 7:27:46 PM

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- Saki [faqs]

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Screen burn cannot be repaired - btw.

CC

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I appreciate the problems the industry is having with piracy, though.
Ideally, rather than go for a low-tech solution that is cheap for you but hurts your consumers, maybe you should all pool your resources and look into getting invisible watermarks. You know, like all the audio watermarking and stuff that's being done over in the music industry, or song "fingerprinting".

That could take time. In the mean time, though, if you wnat to use a watermark, I suggest that:
1. It's really small and transparent
2. It appears for say, say, 30 seconds every 15-30 minutes. I don't think pirates will be able to remove if it's that frequent since the edit would be very obvious.

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Don't get me wrong, I kinda agree, but as of now, the cost to copyprotect disks is out of most everyone's reach. "invisible" watermarks ( Digamark ) like we used for pictures were easy and affordable, but video is another story. Getting a license to use Macrovision - I would have to sell my house just to get the form :)

But for now .... we are all waiting for the copyright courts to catch up with Video Copyright like they did with Photo Stills. When that happens, you'll see the watermarks go away, but hell ... IT all about watching the SEX!!!!!! Enjoy it while you can - Watermark or not :)

and ------>>>>> von_swine!!!!!! You're Post was perfect! from one "insider" to another

Edited by - Mandi* on 4/25/2004 12:18:28 AM

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Here's a fun link for anyone who's interested in the whole contentious history of this topic. I would encourage people to read it so that we can avoid having the same discussion all over again...

As for my own opinion... eh... I think I posted somewhere in there...

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"What's a rimjob?..It's when you put your legs behind your head and someone licks your ass!" - South Park,Bigger,Longer,& Uncut

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--Monstar Rawx!

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Diesel

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I stoped buying Music CDs a while ago because of the copy-protection measures. I think i have the right to create mp3s of my personaly bought cds. I may be wrong ... but if that´s not gonna change (most likely will not) then i ain´t gonna buy any cds anymore. Same applies to "broadcast" flags in Tv shows. If they take away the abbility to record a show from any source for later enjoymend i say f*ck them ... they ain´t gonna get my money period

Cube

Edited by - cubesnake on 4/25/2004 5:38:20 AM

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Also, I think companies will even loose more money if fans decide not to buy a movie with a watermark so does it really help?

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It's cheaper than a watermark, it serves the same purpose as a watermark and it doesn't block anything on the screen.

For a bunch of "creative" people, the adult industry is pretty fucking uncreative when it comes time to solve problems without damaging their product.

As far as I'm concerned, for fear of pirates, producers are just sinking thier own ships.

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The damage that the methodology causes is relatively minor, but it's something that detracts from why you like the clothes in that store in the first place. The store down the street sells very similar clothes and doesn't do anything to damage their product. You've never stolen anything in your life and feel that the first store is punishing their good customers.

Where are you buying your clothes? I'm going to the second store. I don't know why it should be any different when it comes to porn.

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It's the same with water marks. I really don't care if half the biz adopts them, because that still leaves more porn that I can possibly watch anyway.

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I'm happy to hear that some companies had good results from the watermarks, even in the courtroom.
That was at your customer's expenses, don't forget.

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I won't touch a copy protected CD, ever , as I have no way of knowing whether it will play in all my players.

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Actually, copy-protected cds are no longer standard compliant.

And so are watermarked DVDs.

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I mean using watermarks is like punishing people like us who BUY the DVD's.

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If you mean the 'invisible' digital watermarks, I would think that they would be introduced into the picture during encoding and also not affect compliance.
But I wouldn't expect those watermarks to survive the recompression that the pirate streams undergo and thus be somewhat pointless.
I may well be wrong though. I'm only guessing.

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I will say after reading the post from last year, we will re-evaluate using watermarks. I guess some of us should be flattered with people ripping off our product, but it sure doesn't help us come up with the money to pay our bills or pay for advertising space here at ADT.

But You guys talking about buying "Damaged Goods" are really off topic here. We spend a great deal of time trying to produce the best product we can, and a watermark sure doesn't damage anything - any more then a girl wearing a production company t-shit, or a sign with the company's name hanging on the wall ( hahah . I really thought that was funny ) If some "Anti Watermark" folks really practiced what you preach, you would be walking around naked ( can't have any cloths with labels can we), won't be driving a car if it says FORD or CHEVY, nor watching TV - DAMN! why not bitch at equipment manufactures for putting their logo on their product?? With all that is being said, some of you should be living in a "Un-Marked Grave" :) drinking water out of a paper cup ----- OH WAIT! It has "DIXIE" printed at the bottom ... Can't buy those either.

( sorry .. I just couldn't help acting like a smart ass )
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To Mandi*: it's not that is that important to me, after all.
But the point is that you shouldn't fight piracy at the customer's expenses.
You should encourage people like us to buy more of your products and not use us to fight the people that rip you off.

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A picture on the wall wouldn't be any more distracting than any other picture that would be on the same wall. It's behind the action and doesn't block anything.

A watermark, on the other hand, is completely out of place. Unlike a picture, it's in front of the action and it's distracting.

Labels are not the problem. It's the inappropriate usage of those labels so that they interfere with the proper functionality of the product that they are labeling.

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It's not likely that I will be loading this disc into one of my mega-changers. It will probably go into a CD binder along with other discs that I wish I hadn't bought in the first place.

FWIW, the only disc that has been good enough for me to overlook a watermark and watch more than once is "Once You Go Black...You Never Go Back 1" from Jules Jordan.

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I go to great pains to insure the integrity of my proprietary software, and my customer is effected in the sense that the entire pay structure is based on licensing fees, along with a one time installation charge. There is also an extensive password structure that must be reactivated twice a year. This is an easy process that can be done over the modem in about five minutes, so I don't get many complaints.

I know nothing about film, video, DVD production or anything else about making porn(well, I do fuck) so I can't speak to what can or cannot be done to battle copyright infringment in that industry. I do support their right to protect their product.

I also support the customers right to complain, and then the industry might or might not adjust their systems accordingly, depending on their bottom line.

That said, there is also just the plain old fashioned desire to create a great product that your customer will enjoy. I know that the porn directors I watch are very concerned with this because they obviously put allot of themselves into their product.

Intellectual property thieves are some of the worst kind of thieves precisely because there is the idea from some that it is an okay type of theft. But it does hurt the little guy, even in large companies. Shit trickles down, and I'm sure we would all hate to think our beloved starlet is making even less for a DP.<---That was a joke.

Anyway, I feel silly because I have purchased MANY porn DVD's in the past two months, and I haven't noticed a single watermark.

I'm gonna go look!

J.

Edited by - valjean4876 on 4/26/2004 9:05:30 PM

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There are probably more Internet based companies doing watermarks than there are from companies where their primary business is VHS/DVD.

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J.

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Here's my take on it

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