Kidding.

Digital Playground stuff? That guy wants to call people out? Wow.

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-Jules Jordan

LMAO! :bowdown:

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As far as I'm concerned, directing means getting the performance you want out of the actors. Whether or not that includes dialogue is not the point, unless you plan on arguing that the silent era movies weren't directed.

I agree with Jules that he directs. I agree with Robby D that he has to worry about things Jules doesn't. So what's all the excitement about?

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"Vegetarianism for me is about saying ‘yes’ to things - even meat." - Coupling

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Oh, and I also took Robby's "rips" on Jules as being some of his joking around. Watching him in some of DP's behind the scenes featurettes he can have a slightly abrasive sense of humor, and I don't think it translates that well to the written word.

"Vegetarianism for me is about saying ‘yes’ to things - even meat." - Coupling

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And I agree too. With some exceptions, I think some of the better gonzo directors today are directors who have also had some success shooting features. And I think some of the better feature (and gonzo) directors had their starts as wonderfully nasty performers.

I agree with Jules in that he is as much a director of his movies as Michael Ninn is of his movies. Are there a lot less art direction / special effect issues for a gonzo director to deal with? Sure. But the end product is no less his vision.

And I also agree with Robby D that people who do something new open doors for others to follow.

Wow - look at how agreeable I am today.

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I thought Buttman cracked the code when he ushered in the voyeuristic, no plot approach to porn. His focus was always on the sex, not creating some laughably bad, heat killing mainstream movie rip off. I thought he also disaproved the notion that gonzo directors weren't realy directors because they don't shoot storylines with The Fashionistas, which blows away anything Nic Andrews or Brad Armstrong have ever done.

Maybe Jules should do a feature just to shut up the detractors. Just buy a set of vampire teeth and a strobe light and call it Nocturnal Nut Busters or buy a blanket and go to the beach and film Anal Beach Party.

The sex in the Action Sports Sex series was hot but did anyone bother to watch the stupid action scenes in between? I know I didn't.

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There are mediocrities & coasters on both sides of the fence. Someone who shoots six or seven separate, unrelated scenes in a day of shooting is likely not creating something special, whether it's gonzo or feature.

Everybody goes blah blah blah about the lack of innovation & new ideas in porn but then when you ask what they've been watching/renting they name the same 2 or 3 directors/brands & claim their time/budget doesn't allow them to "experiment." Which is fine & understandable, but then shut up your whining about wanting to taste something different & eat the hamburger & fries you bought again.

Directors are even easier to poke into amusing connipitions than performers because not only are our egos huge but we tend to be able to express it more colorfully than those whose careers are based on gymnastics and penis length/anal capacity.

As for Jules, buddy, you give new meaning to the term "poor winner." You have achieved everything you set out to do, to great popular & financial success. Countless awards, huge sales, great financial returns, your place in the history of porn assured ten times over ... Why so thin-skinned? You didn't invent gonzo. You didn't invent the styles sold in the shops on Hollywood Boulevard where actresses & directors alike have been buying slutwear to feature in videos for decades. You didn't invent bathroom gloryholes, & you didn't invent the heat between certain performers (you know what I mean here).

You came up with your own takes on all of the above & more, & did it with an energy & craft & intelligence that has met with unprecedented critical & fan success. So why must you trip, wigga?

Nobody is going to topple you from your throne. Nobody is even trying, man. You should be flattered that you're the 2,000-pound gorilla that it seems comes up in everybody else's interviews. I'm sure Robby D wouldn't mind being that gorilla; hell, I wouldn't mind being that gorilla-- as long as it didn't involve spending any time confecting "spermsicles" that I'd rather spend, oh, smelling the roses, enjoying a sunset, watching a foreign movie, etc ... which is one reason why I don't get to be you. But I'm okay with that. You are the man. Be the man. Show some graciousness & class, thereby continuing to set an example for the rest of us.

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The only way to make a feature for $50K is to either make a film that is laughably thin (which, even if they'll tolerate it in exchange for seeing hardcore sex, short-changes and belittles the audience); or to use the guerilla (gorilla?) business model which askes people to work for the greater glory of the production. The guerilla approach might work once, or even twice. But there's a limit to how many times people can work on a movie for substandard (or non-existant) wages. This is doubly so when asking people to work on a porn movie – you can't even brag about it to most people, let alone put it on your reel.

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Directing features is different from directing all-sex movies.

Some all-sex directors don't do a whole more than pointing a camera at sex. Some of them don't even hold a camera and have little if any say over what gets shot.

Jules Jordan is as good as anyone at what he does. If someone doesn't want to call it "directing" then come up with a new title. "Creator" maybe...I'm fine with director because that is what it is.

I think everyone knows what I think about Jules' work. If they don't they should take a look at the history of the Rog Reviews awards.

Hey at least this little battle is keeping a Tony T Vs. Rog round 2 from popping up.

LATE

Rog

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HMMMM, what was my point???? :)

Oh, it was how awesome I though DAC's post was :)

JJ

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(stay tuned be back in one minute, just got done fucking a girl in the ass) ;)

I wasnt gonna respond to this thread, but since the honorable DAC decided to post, I will.

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If i wanna see some artistic movie i watch Kubrick or Coppola, if i wanna see some REAL porn i pick up Jules Jordan or Rocco or Joey Silvera.
All those wannabe porn "artists" who try to be original and artistics putting some fogs and lame lights and stupid music inside a porn are totally useless.

Ok, they have theirs audience, but also most of worst hollywood movies got theirs audience, but is nothing to brag about it or be called "art" or "original".

JJ has his reason to be pissed off, that envious ppl should stfu and dont dare to criticize the King, expecially from an artistic point of view.

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And I agree Jules is a damn fine director!

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I'll give him props forever for the scenes he's shot with my fav Krystal Steal...made me go googoo gaga over that girl! Still do!

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"Vegetarianism for me is about saying ‘yes’ to things - even meat." - Coupling

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DAC, I never claimed to invent the wheel, I just refined and sharpened it ;) the way it seemed best in my perverted mind. Trust me there is a difference between an "influence" and a "rip-off"

I give props to features that mix hardcore elements into their productions ie Fashionistas, Club Jenna , who wouldnt want to see Jenna fist Bella? Jenna may get slag from some strokers, but I know one of the greatest things i've ever seen in porn is Jenna giving a blow job.

I may seem outspoken at times but its only to defend what i've created, hopefully that fire will never die.....

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For those who don't know, just check out 'Jenna's Masturbation' special feature on ClubJenna's "Briana Loves Jenna!"

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But this doesn't change the fact that his stuff kicks ass. Jules can't wait for Ass Worship 7 next month!!

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Edited by - respect on 3/8/2005 11:12:56 PM

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Jules writes: "Let me state that I am a true director, I in fact select/book the talent used in my productions, select/book the locations, supply and pick the wardrobe/toys, I direct my camera angles, assemble lighting, shoot my own camera, instruct performers with what to do/say/react etc. come up with the concept (directing?), shoot stills, edit the final product, screen the final product."

When I hear porn directors say shit like that I shake my head and think, "These guys don't have a fuckin' clue what directing (in its traditional sense) is all about"

Here's where Jules goes wrong-- he goes wrong with the first shit out of his mouth, i.e., when he says, "Let me state that I am a true director."

Had Jules said, "I am a true PORN director," I would 100% agree. But director? Make that movie director? In its purest sense? Nigger please.

Out of all the things Jules listed that supposedly makes him a "true director," only one... ONLY ONE THING he said is part of the usual and customary job of a true director: "I direct my camera angles."

That's it. Everything else--in mainstream that is--is part of other peoples' jobs.

I'm not writing this to bag on Jules. I'm only trying to put into perspective the job of "director." Ya see, the job of "director" and the job of "porn director" are two different animals.

Why?

Easy-- Money.

In porn, there's rarely enough money to hire people to do the jobs that producers, casting directors, writers, location managers, directors of photography, and a host of others perform. You see, in porn the director is often all of the above. (and certainly many of the above and more.)

So Jules: Chill out, man. You're a true director, albeit a true PORN DIRECTOR. And RobbyD--ditto for you, bro. Just be happy the checks you guys get are good.

Can't we all just get along and not worry about this trivial, egotistical shit? It makes us all look like bigger retards and wannabees than most of the world already thinks we are.

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jules wrote: "He has proven to be a shill and mediator for a company that I despise greatly for their ruthless business tactics, I'm sure he will be a victim eventually."

i'm neither a shill nor a mediator for the company you're refering to, but if doing things like enforcing contracts (for example, contract with performers) are "ruthless business tactics" i think we need to re-define the word "ruthless."

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While lots of the stuff mentioned by Jules is part of other peoples' jobs, many of those aspects are also partly under the control of the director. Ideally.
Even contract directors in the classical studio era had some control on the scripts with which they (had to) work, on art direction and set decoration, on lighting and even on editing, even if it was only through the practice of 'editing-in-the-camera'.
Also, the Hollywood mode of production isn't the only way mainstream cinema is made.

In the end you are right though, the discussion in this thread is freakin' lame.




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"What is disturbing is that this will be the second Vivid video I buy in less than 10 days, totally going against my religion here, I'm a sinner! ..the price I have to pay for woman with beautiful eyes"

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